Ammo addition pack (New Ammo for Existing Weapons)

[urban wasp]

Idea is to introduce new ammo that works in old rifles as well as the new ones

.270 Tracker - A semi-auto rifle with a 4 round magazine, half a unit heavier than the bolt action rifle. With this rifle comes a variation of ammo based on the 130 grain bullets, Bonded Soft Points that feature immense straight line penetration but little expansion and Jacketed Round Nose bullets that expand explosively to make for massive blood trails. These are LIGHTER bullets allowing the .270 to be used on class 3-7 game and passing the harvest check.

.45-70 Professional- A finely crafted falling block rifle, it offers a rock solid design with modern materials made to tame excessive recoil and pressure from powerful ammunition. This single shot rifle was made for hunting the largest and most dangerous animals there are, as such, the ammunition it brings is made for the task. 500gr. Solid Copper bullets that expand very little in exchange for the ability to pass through over 6 feet of solid bone and flesh. The Jacketed round nose bullets have a bit less than a third the penetration of the Solids but expand to almost double the original diameter to cause massive blood trails and quick recovery. As these are designed only for heavy game I recommend them from class 7-9 animals only.

.223 Survivor- a truly ultralight single shot rifle, the rifle breaks down into three parts without the use of tool making it an ideal survival kit addition. While it can use the standard ammunition, this rifle takes advantage of the lighter 36 gr. bullets to effectively take small game with little meat loss. Match bullets do not expand but they are ideal for small targets such as birds or rabbits. Copper Hollow Points expand so rapidly they rarely exit the target, making them ideal for creatures like foxes or raccoons. These light bullets allow for class 1-2 to be harvested ethically at much greater distances than the .22H can reach.

@astral chasm @wheat tinsel I'd like your opinions here guys

[rose coral]

These seem really good. The fact that the .223 doesnt have 1-3 fits with what the devs refuse to give us but is sad. The fact the other 2 have higher pen could be a "meta breaker" as expansion really just doesnt matter much only pen does.

[vast saffron]

Good niche guns for sure. Not sure I'd leave the Great White Buffalo grind if I had that .45-70 falling block. Lol

[urban wasp]

Niche?

[vast saffron]

They fit a specific need without completely reclassifying/tearing apart their respective calibers/functions.

[urban wasp]

Yeah, but they can use the existing ammo in game because it's the same caliber. Like the falling block can use the regular 4-9 ammo as well as the 7-9 and the lever gun and pistol .45-70s can use the 7-9 and 4-9 too.

[vast saffron]

True, I guess what I meant is that these particular models allow players to get the most out of those calibers without having to reinvent everything.

[urban wasp]

Yeah, generally had the idea that if they did new ammo types that were could be made to work for old models as well as reuse code for new models it would help base game weapons get a little more use, so I chose these weapons to suit that

[urban wasp]

For the .223 I almost chose a very strange little weapon, almost cursed but not quite

Remington XP100

[wheat tinsel]

My Great Uncle has this I love shooting it. I'm honestly thinking about making 1 for the 300blk. He already has 3 with 223, 243, & 22-250.

[urban wasp]

I like how weird it is to be honest, I really wouldn't mind having one in game.

I'm also wondering if I could just put the ammo itself in an separate thread to make it's own thing

[wheat tinsel]

theres too many things I'd love to see in-game. Rifle pistols, single break actions, falling blocks, lever, blackpowder, PCP's the list goes on. Overall game wise we're lacking C:1-3, 2-6, 3-7, 5-9 calibers. We have plenty of 4-8's & honestly after the .375 its almost pointless to add more 7-9's 😓

[urban wasp]

I agree but also, 7-9 ammo for the .45-70 makes my favorite rifle in the game actually viable for animals I want to hunt with it

[vast saffron]

Definitely agree on the 7-9s until they start adding some real heavy African game. There are plenty of species on that continent that could easily fill the 8-10 class.

[wheat tinsel]

Still believe having 2 ammo options like the Hudzik is the solution. At that point EW can just add rifle model's & new calibers in general over holding calibers hostage.

[urban wasp]

It's actually kinda hard to enjoy the game when you can't use the rifle you really want to for certain animals, like pronghorn, I loved hunting them with the .270 and suddenly they're class 3

[vast saffron]

This is where the two ammo class thing really shines. I like them as C3, but yes the .270 is by far the best gun in the game for them.

[wheat tinsel]

Kinda my point I made to EW. It would make sense with pvp but as a pve hunting game I dont see the appeal holding calibers hostage with both ammo options while shotguns, bows, & Hudzik have options to hunt game low-high esp. when Classic had the right idea. Now I get condensing the clutter of having a list of calibers for ea. Game animal but they should've used game category over #'s. It would've been alot easier & simpler to do so. The game lvl: (1-trivial) up to (10 - G1) is fine as means of game animal's age & awareness making it so the higher the lvl the more difficult they are to hunt would make sense. But game toughness should be revaluated.

If I were EW; if a new title is in development that would be the course, I'd take over reusing the #'d classes is switch to authentic game categories & apply 2-3 authentic ammo options to hunt those categories. & to clarify I'm aware its a game & won't be identical to the real deal but they are capable of making it pretty close. Instead of the 1-10 difficulty (Trivial-G1) replace it with age instead. Models would also be visually noticeable as well; along with authentic fur rarities. I appreciate EW making G1's unique but the fantasy theme throws me off greatly. When I think of G1's I think size, age, & possible scarring like a veteran that has been through several life trials. (The King of the forest or a troublesome darkness).

[wheat tinsel]

Its cheesy but Mor'du (Bear), Gustov (Nile Croc), The Stag (Elk/Red Deer), Scar (Lion), Shere Khan (Tiger), etc. lore or named game in this manor are some examples of mythical/legendary/G1's I had in mind that EW was going for but instead we started getting fantasy, element, or mineral variations that really throws off the experience. If EW did a fantasy title I'd be all for it.

If I'm going to be frank I think their stalling for time.

[urban wasp]

If they're stalling then they could at least give us some good content

[wheat tinsel]

I dont disagree but I do believe they're adding these to draw attention to certain players. I love the designs dont get me wrong they are cool but it does throw me off. But in fairness I am seeing feedbacks being answered. SP at least has 5 feedback requests answered in 1. The only content that wasn't answered was the voted weapon pk. The 375 is the star caliber we all know it but it was so hyped its OP. 450BM could use alittle more umph to it but is fair. The 300blk being the most voted was ignored & was placed to be between 243 (2-6) & 7.62x54R (3-7) / 300blk (3-6)!?!

[urban wasp]

Honestly I'd be happy if they did an entire update just fixing the ammo and how rifles are the objectively worst performing weapons in the game

[wheat tinsel]

Despite all that I'm seeing support replies alot more & the Angler team was pulled elsewhere, not to mention Hunters (8+yrs), Gen Zero (5yrs), Angler (2yrs). Taking into account EW is experimenting & Jaxy replied it will have to move fwd at some point, all has me to believe they are either preparing or working on a new title.

[wheat tinsel]

I'd be satisfied if calibers are adjusted to act as they should with 2 ammo options covering low-high game authentically. If they do that much it'd be 👌 Any future content I'd expect to be on par with those changes. If they did apply it Animal Classes wouldn't be an issue as they are & I could look at it with a blind eye. Everything else is playable as far as I'm concerned for an 8+yr game. All the big changes I'd expect to be considered & applied in the next franchise title.

[urban wasp]

I got a DM about this let me clarify.

These are three rifles I'm suggesting that use the same ammo as base game weapons. Because they add new ammunition for the calibers that means ANY weapon using that caliber can use the new ammo and the old ammo.

That means 4 kinds of ammo covering 2 separate class ranges.

[urban wasp]

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