Surplus Rifles We'd LOVE to have

[uncut wing]

Everybody has a favorite.

Might be your first rifle, might be your great great grandpa's. Maybe it's a elegantly crafted precision weapon, maybe you think the designer was smoking more than just tobacco in his pipe. Doesn't matter.

This thread is specifically for surplus rifles from a long time ago that still deserve a place in a hunter's hands. If you wanna add to it, post a Pic with the name and caliber of the rifle.

I'm gonna go ahead and say this, some of these rifles use the same ammo we already have in the game and would basically be a different skin for it. The people would buy this pack do not care and will happily hunt with a reskin while the rest ignore it.

My pick is the Model 1917 Eddystone. It a bolt action .30-06 with 5 rounds in the mag and weird design. Sights are almost exactly like the ones on the Sundarpatan rifle but it allows for the use of a scope. This thing could easily be a .30-40 as well if EW didn't want a third '06.

[uncut wing]

Mauser 98k chambered in 7.92x57 (a.k.a 8mm Mauseror 8x57)

I've sent tons of requests for this thing already so I'd say it's fair this rifle would be well recieved. It might be associated with less than wonderful parts of history, but this rifle has more than proven it's use in the field. The action itself became famous for reliability in the worst situations and it's still the baseline for a huge amount of hunting rifles.

[rare bloom]

This was in TheHunter Classic. Would like to see it and some others return.

[uncut wing]

You thinking civil war surplus?

[odd glacier]

Mainly a joke, but I wouldn’t particularly mind a .32 or .45

[uncut wing]

I'd be pretty happy with a Hawken style .54 cal. Imagine flattening bison and grizzlies with that thing

The pale stocked one. . .I want something that looks this weird

[charred linden]

I'm sure all y'all in here are already aware of this by my favorite is the SMLE III Lee Enfield, specifically the III *, which was the wartime simplification. Here's mine that I finished up recently.

Made in 1918 and retouched at an armory in 1938. All matching serials of B656 on the nosecap, magazine, bolt, reciever, and barrel, but the forestock and two handguard pieces have different serials (all match with a serial of 3) and the stock itself seems to have been the original but was repolished when the new furniture was added. Given the battle damage throughout and its year of production it saw service in both world wars. The amount of extensive proof marks on it also indicate it was likely kept in service through Korea and possibly saw combat there. Moreover, the lack of markings indicating it was sold out of service means that whoever had it last either took it home legally or smuggled it out to keep for themselves before it was imported to the states at some point.

It is also marked "Enfield" on the right side of the wrist which indicates it was made in the Royal Small Arms Factory or RSAF, the original Enfield factory.

[wanton valley]

That's a beauty of a .303
There's a gun store here where I live that's currently got a Enfiled No.4 Mkii on their website for R4,500 which is about $235,50

[wanton valley]

I'd love to see either one of these two rifles in game. Mauser 1893/95 and the 1895 Carbines used by the Afrikaaners in the second Boer war. These were just as good at early 20th century warfare as they were at hunting the big game of the Western Cape

[uncut wing]

Oh, the famous 7x57mm. The British adore this cartridge but they weren't keen on giving credit to the German inventors and renamed it .275 Rigby. It's still a popular cartridge for hunting just about all kinds of big game

[charred linden]

Thanks!

235 for a No. 4 is a damn good deal ngl.

[uncut wing]

Here's an odd one, a straight pull action. 7.5x55mm made for the Swiss army, and yes, it's as good as you'd expect. Balistically it's similar to .308 Winchester so it would be a great rifle to have in game. Along with a unique look it's features a 6 round magazine and a fire rate between bolt action and semi auto.

[charred linden]

the safety is also really funky since it's basically a latch key on the back of the bolt that you pull out and rotate into the off position

[uncut wing]

Yeah, it's definitely a unique rifle, been a fun read too. I owe @chrome cradle for mentioning this thing and getting me interested

[charred linden]

as a note if you ever find one there's stripper clips for them on Amazon

Mix of genuine milsurp and repros

[uncut wing]

I'd honestly love to find one and do a full restore. For a K31 and a 1917. I could not tell you specifically why, but the military style full length stocks are absolutely addictive for me. It's just such an intricate and detailed thing to see and NO ONE does it anymore

[charred linden]

it's the same reason I love SMLE Enfields, agreed

[uncut wing]

I'm also wondering if I could grab a modern action like a 700 or savage 110 and build a modernized clone of a 1917. I'd have to do the stock myself but that's just fun, the only issue is the metal bits. I'd need someone to machine them or a box of spares from an original.

Also, "sporterized" means butchered 98% of the time and people don't seem to get that so parts are hard to find

[charred linden]

Modern sporters being butchered is why I was so happy to find my SMLE untouched.

I know a guy who owned a sportered SMLE and the thing shot crap groups, like 6 inches at 100 with flyers out to 10 inches away from point of aim. Also had constant rimlock and jams. Rimlock can be a regular issue on SMLEs but it was every round with his. Half the time it wouldn't even extract either.

[uncut wing]

I've seen so many beautiful rifles destroyed by amateurs trying to make it fit for hunting, the best way you can make a mil surp a great hunting rifle is to find ammo it likes with a decent bullet. That's it. You don't have to chop it to pieces

[charred linden]

That's why all I did with my SMLE was disassemble, clean, and detail it. My use of it as a hunting rifle is dependent on S&B 180gr .303 softpoints.

[uncut wing]

That is all you need, unless you can magically find a vintage scope and mount and then you have a miracle rifle

[charred linden]

Even if I do find one it'd likely end up being a collector's item on a desk since mine's a standard infantry model that was never drilled to accept a scope as a sniper's model. I'd have to drill holes in the side of the receiver and bevel out the forestock to fit the mount, so she's gonna stay irons so I dont have to accost my 106 yr old gun 💀

[uncut wing]

Honestly, I don't blame you. However, if you did find that it warrants it's own restored rifle project so not a terrible thing

[charred linden]

me on my way to find a 600 dollar scope with a 150 dollar mount and 80 dollar screws to put onto an entirely different 2000 dollar rifle lol

But yeah it would be its entire own project if I ever find one, but those things are rare as hell. Most of them are in museums and privately owned examples are in collections.

[uncut wing]

I knew a guy who restored a butchered Enfield 3 using parts he custom ordered. There was no original parts so he had them made. It was cool and he still hunts with it, but it never looked quite right

And he finished the stock with "rosewood" lacquer so it looked funky as it was

[hollow lion]

1857 Norwegian Kammerlader 58cal. Blackpowder I'd be tickle me pink with either or from the traditional or the adapted cartridge chamber loader. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGRK72OrXrU

[smoky fjord]

A friend of Mine has a k31 in very good condition and also a G98 from 1901

[hollow lion]

1873 Springfield Trapdoor 45-70 would be my 2nd choice in the 1800's

[uncut wing]

Krag-Jorgenson, .30-40 this thing was in service for a while before the 1903 Springfield was created. The .30-40 was a unique cartridge that had a rim that was smaller than the case body. The magazine is 5 rounds but the reload is much faster than you'd think. The metal on the side is actually a gate that can open up and depresses the magazine spring, you pull the gate open dump the cartridges in and close it. You can just load it normally as well if you need to top it off.

[uncut wing]

Bump

[wanton valley]

This one is for you @uncut wing
In the middle is a Krag-Jorgenson used by a Boer during the Second Boer war. I took the photo of this one in at the Boer war museum in the free state. Unfortunately this one is in 6.5x55 Sweedish not .30-40 Krag

[uncut wing]

Still a beauty and I love the 6.5 Swedish too. I got to try one out when I was younger and I've wanted one ever since, just never found a rifle for it

[hollow lion]

Still a nice selection

[hollow lion]

Only time I find it relevant is if its damaged. In my case with my brothers 91/30 the stock was severly warping to the left forcing shots....well you get the idea it wasn't great. We ended up putting it into an archangel stock with a detachable mag and it shot literally on top of each other at 100yds. Sure the rifle wasn't pretty to look at, but it functioned as it should. I have the same case with my k98 recapture that was rechambered for .308 the stock is seriously shot to all hell. Wish it was 8mm but atleast it works in my favor since I have fresh components for the rifle. Issue I ran into was my ruger m77 expands differently than my Howa did. Even after resizing they never wanted to chamber so I had to separate the 2 sets of shot brass for each rifle plus lanse seats were very different as well.

Like you said if done right they are great. What they did to the 303 in-game I'm not really happy with the sportorized look they chose. I would've preferred the original like they did with the M44 Carbine.

[uncut wing]

Yeah, the original look for the Enfield is best. I don't mean just Swapping bad parts, I mean the guys who hacksaw the barrel and cut up the original stock to make it look more "sporty"

[hollow lion]

oh I'm well aware I was just putting my example as the right way well at least 1 way & not a rat rifle 🤣

Ppl need to understand that you can sport a rifle without chopping it up at that point its not the same rifle its an abomination & it can lead to CF's as well if not done properly with the right stress & specs in mind 😮‍💨

If I were to sport a rifle with nothing wrong to better suite me as a shooter it'll likely be a new chassis or stock & maybe a brake. Optics and mounts would vary if I'm unable to get the vintage set. Otherwise action, trigger & barrel would be left untouched that includes irons as well bc they are awesome. I miss rifles with irons. Its sad to see modern rifles without 😞

my other option if I'm feeling ambitious & $$$ build a clone.

Honestly given the Kammerlader I'll likely need to get a clone made since 85% of them were torn apart and melted down which is a real shame.

[uncut wing]

I'm actually considering using a 700 action to mimic a 1917 Eddystone, I'm trying to find someone to machine parts

[hollow lion]

That would be legit

[uncut wing]

I'm hoping it'll look good, I'm not sure which model exactly to try to copy

[uncut wing]

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[uncut wing]

This was an experimental rifle that eventually lost out to the M1 Garand and .30-06.

The Pedersen T1E3 rifle used an experimental ammo called .276 Pedersen. It used a toggle delay blowback design to cycle the action and fed from a 10 round box magazine

That heat guard would be easy to swap for a rail, you could mount a scope there

[uncut wing]

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[uncut wing]

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[rare bloom]

Would any of you be oppose to having a M14 in the game if it was rechambered in 6.5mm or some other caliber?

[uncut wing]

Absolutely not. We have one garbage 6.5 that can't cover its classes already we don't need two.

Gimme a .308 M14 cuz that's a semi-auto I wanna use!

[rare bloom]

That would be cool.

I’m just trying to think of more surplus semi auto rifles that can use current available cartridges. Like you could do a M1 chambered in .375 since there is one chambered in .458. Or the Prototype SKS chambered in 7.62x54R.

[chrome cradle]

Better Idea: make the 6.5 actually accurate to its irl counterpart and not the utter joke it is in game, and then make an M14 chambered in 6.5.

The 6.5 irl is a very powerful and effective round on anything from Coyotes to Elk, and if you’re a good shot you can use it on things up to the size of Moose and Grizzly Bears.

[uncut wing]

Sks would qualify, my dad hunted deer with one for years. He sold it because he got sick of getting pinched every reload.

As for the M1 Garand? I'd actually love it in .35 Whelan, it's a necked up .30-06 case so you only need a new barrel and it hits with only a little less force than a 9.3x62mm

[uncut wing]

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[chrome cradle]

My lord, an M14 chambered in .338? Bison hunters are gonna have a heyday lol

I’d also like to consider another weapon: the Type 44 Arisaka Carbine.

It’s a bolt action, chambered in 6.5x50mmSR Arisaka, and was used by the Empire of Japan from 1911 - 1942.

Much like the Mosin-Nagant, its bolt sits horizontally, and is lifted directly up before it can be pulled. Would make for an interesting piece of history, especially along with a possible future Japanese map.

[uncut wing]

That could have paired so well with the Ainu culture inthe Japanese map if they'd realiser it here!!! The Ainu were a hunting culture so much more than fishing

[chrome cradle]

I think that a Japanese map would be great, and if this was the rifle to go along with it I’d be really happy. It’s more than capable of taking animals like Boar, Sika Deer, Serow, and even animals as large as Asiatic Black Bears.

[uncut wing]

It'd be great if they implemented it right

[uncut wing]

Here's a surprise from France of all places the Winchester 1907. This little carbine saw use in both world wars and police service until the 1950s. This design could be easily modified to mount a scope and the cartridge has roughly the same power a older .30-30 loads but featuring a larger bullet.

You could argue that the Henry Homesteader carbine was inspired by this model.

[glacial moth]

You already put my favorite in with the k98k. I would also recommend the finnish m39 mosin, m91 long mosin and swedish m38 short rifle.

[wanton valley]

My friends, I present the De Lisle Carbine. This wouldn't be much more than a gimmick really because it's a suppressed .45 ACP carbine so it might be good for classes 2-4 and ranges up to 100m max, but it's suppresses and shoots subsonic ammo so it would be similar to the air rifle in game already

[rare bloom]

In terms of surplus rifles, if we ever get another Africa map, I kind of want to see a FN FAL with a 10 round magazine

[wanton valley]

could work on a Zim/SA map the best, but I'd rather see a Musgrave M90 for SA

[fading flame]

1861 Springfield in .58 caliber
1859 Sharps carbine
1860 berdan sharps
spencer carbine 56-56
1903 springfield 30-06
kar98k 8mm

[edgy imp]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VwUtExMSHKQ&si=UbImyzi86Fr-1R4i

[native quest]

That would be a neat choice, since the FAL was used quite extensively during the Rhodesian Bush War (1964-1979). That being said, there are many other iconic African rifles that I'd much rather see if we get a second African map.

[uncut wing]

An African favorite

The 1895 Mauser was used during the Boer war and quickly became popular as a hunting rifle afterwards, the 7x57mm ammunition was light recoiling and more than powerful enough to put meat on the table. Gazelle and light antelopes were a favorite target but the round has proven popular for hunting game of all sizes in Africa and beyond. In Britain it was originally known as the .275 Rigby and still is a very popular stalking rifle cartridge with good records on roe, wild boar, and red stag.

[wanton valley]

Here are some authentic boer war mausers that were used in the war itself. They're all in the Boer war museum in Bloemfontein

So these 3 photos are of 3 different 7x57 mausers. The first one is a 1893, characterized by the straight bolt handle. Second is a 1895, characterized by the bent bolt handle and the 1895 Carbine is the exact same, but shorter for artillery crew and cavalry

[uncut wing]

The bent bolt model would be a beauty if it had a period accurate scope on it

[wanton valley]

Im gonna take it with open sights only but still, a period accurate scope would be a beauty

[uncut wing]

I'd take a nice fixed power scope

[wanton valley]

So the idea of a FN FAL with a 10 (or 5) round mag as a surplus rifle was discussed some time ago on this thread, but I've got a surplus firearm, used by Rhodesia that would make alot of people happy. Now I know it's not a rifle but it's still gonna be pretty useful. The firearm in question, the FN Browning Auto A5. Seeming that alot of people have asked for a semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun and there's alot of community members that appreciate firearms and old firearms, I think this is a good one

[smoky fjord]

I'd Love to see the Winchester 1897

[rare bloom]

We already have that in one of the maps chambered in 16 gauge

Why did that get flagged for rule 3?

[odd glacier]

Buy Rancho Del Arroyo.

Browning BAR II “Safari”

[rare bloom]

I could see there being two versions of this. The first being in .30-06 and the second being in .338

[smoky fjord]

@odd glacier @rare bloom you both are right. I have the DLC but never used the 16ga. So i forgot about it

[uncut wing]

Yup, I'd love that

[wanton valley]

If we could purchase firearms in game in a custom caliber, we could have the 1903 Springfield in both .30-06 and .35 Whelen

This specific rifle is a sporterised 1903 re-barreld for .35 Whelen. I must say though, I do prefer the original military look of the 1903 over the sporterised look

[uncut palm]

Just got the missions for the Ganhare rifle done last night. Looks awesome on display in my lodge.

[uncut wing]

Speaking of the 1903, it's in Classic alongside the k98, Lee Enfield No.4, and Mosin Nagant. I'd be more thannhappy to see it back in CotW since even Way of the Hunter has one!

[pearl shoal]

i would love to see a Russian surplus pack with the SKS SVD or even the SVU and possibly a Macarov or Gratch (the Stechkin would be overkill)

[fossil maple]

BSA CF2 Hunter Bolt Action Rifle .270 Winchester I actually have a bit of history to do with this as it was my Father's rifle that he used to use back in I don't know actually but he used it a lot alongside his CZ .222 I hunted my first Red Deer in 2019 on exactly New Years Eve in Southland, New Zealand so yeah pretty fond of it

[glass sapphire]

Italian Caracno m91/38 and or m41 with either chambering in 6.5 carcano or 7.35 carcano

[wanton valley]

We really need Classic rifle packs, either we need multiple packs with the title "Classic rifles" adding the rifles from Classic we want, or just one with the name that adds the 1903, K98, Enfield no.4 & mosin or something of the sort

[uncut wing]

Agreed, although I'd love to see the Eddystone 1917 and the 1903 is exactly the same in terms of gameplay

[glass sapphire]

I want them to add an actual military lee Enfield with the full length handguard and 10 round mag rather then the lightened sportised one too

[odd glacier]

“THE DREADNOUGHT OF THE JUNGLE”

[uncut wing]

That's a heck of a title and I'm gonna try to have this printed out so I can hang it on my wall

For those of you who might not know, the Winchester 1895 lever action saw combat in several different wars until the end of WW2.

Chambered mostly in .30-06 or .30-40 Krag it was also adapted for 7.62x54r for the Russian Contract versions. These rifles not only used the ammo but could be loaded with the same type of stripper clips the Mosin Nagant used. Mostly an infantry weapon but some were converted to be Marksman rifles equipped with (for the time) high magnification scopes

[wanton valley]

My friends dad owns a 1895 in .303 British that was apparently used in WW1. If I'm lucky, Ill have a change to shoot with it a bit later this year, if the man currently using it doesn't need it. (the man currently using it isn't the owner, he lives on a game farm and uses it to hunt for food like kudu and Impala)

[uncut wing]

Awesome, if you can get a few pics for us gun nuts

[wanton valley]

So here's an idea. We have a bolt action and semi-auto platform for the .30-06 in game, same for the .308 so what if we had a bolt action and Semi-auto version for all the surplus rifles ?

For the Solokhin MN1890's (mosin) semi auto we have the SVT 40 (1)
And for the Karbiner 98 Kruz (2) (when we finally recive it) we could either have the Gewher 43 (3) or the FN 49 (4)....or both

Then there's also the French and Japanese....thing......to consider with this idea as well

The French Mas 36 (1) could have the Mas 49 (2) as it's semi-auto counterpart
And the Japanese could Arisaka Type 38 (3) could have this....abomination.....know as the Type Kō (4) as it's semi auto counterpart

[glass sapphire]

theres also the mas 44
but im pretty sure that was prototype stuff for later models like the 49

[hollow lion]

That would make for a really good pack I'd jump on in a heartbeat. •1903 •K98 •30-40 Krag

[uncut wing]

I actually like the semi-auto Japanese rifle. Never heard of it in my life but I like it.

[wanton valley]

I just saw it the first time this morning while on Google

[uncut wing]

I know it's a copy of the M1 Garand, but I love the look of it because it just looks like a rifle you'd find in a fantasy setting lol

[wanton valley]

Interestingly enough, the Type Kō isn't the M1 copy cat, that's the Type 4. The Type 4 was manufactured in the end stages of WW2 in 7.7x58mm arisaka where as the Type Kō was heavily based on the pederson rifle and chambered for 6.5x50mm Arisaka.
That's what Google tells me at least

[uncut wing]

Interesting, I didn't see that but I'm not exactly able to do much research atm. I will look into it tho, and I do still like the looks of it

[glacial moth]

Here is an interesting mauser suggestion. 1912 chilean in 7x57mm, 1935 brazilian carbine 7x57mm, k98k 8mm, k98k norwegian 30-06. M96 swedish mauser 6.5 x 55, m38 short rifle 6.5x55.