#Make raccoons class 1 again like when Mississippi first released

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elfin wadi
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It feels ridiculous to be hunting raccoons with the 243 given the size of the gun compared to the actual raccoon

People also use birdshot to hunt them irl and rn they’re just so annoying to hunt given how fragile they are, they don’t even need a vital shot to take them down even with a 22lr which is what hunters also use to hunt raccoons

I’m pretty sure this harvest screen screenshot is all the proof that is needed as to why raccoons should be class 1 aswell

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crimson wadi
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I don’t particularly mind them in class 2. I wanna be able to use .45LC on them which would be overkill given this change went through.

ruby night
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I just can’t imagine shooting a raccoon ethicaly with something you would shoot a deer with. It doesnt look pretty after they don’t tank 308 rounds like in the game. And yes I know 308 isn’t ethical for them but they are too tough and I have shot them with 308 and they ran still. And yes I’m speaking from experience when I’m saying it doesn’t look pretty after. It’s what happiness when a raccoon spooks your deer off in the last day of the season

crimson wadi
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Maybe it’s .243 that needs a change🤷‍♂️

dire spruce
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I have no problem shooting coons with a 30cal PCP IRL. Class 1 primarily is game < 10lbs, while Class 2 should be 10lb-30lb game •Class 3 should be 30-50lb game, Class 4 50lb-150lb game & so on.

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To put it more simply by Hornady's ammo since it's the easiest example
< 50lb: C: 1-3
50-300lb: C: 3-5
300-1500lb: C: 5-8
Dangerous Game: 8-9

primal barn
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Imo the .22 itself would be fine if changed to classes 1-2. Some people take down deer with it irl, even if that's more shot placement than actual power, but the .22 does genuinely work on a good amount of the class 2 animals in game, such as the raccoon

cunning rampart
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Yeah the Class 2-3 bracket needs some serious retooling. They pretty much tweaked themselves into a corner since virtually every 2-4 weapon is being held up not against the .243 Ranger or the .223 docent but the .243 Cuomo which is superior in every way to all of them at 1 Weight.

primal barn
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If the .300blk was 2-5 I feel it'd easily outcompete the .243, but that didn't happen sadly

crimson wadi
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I just wanna know why they put a deer rifle in the 2-6 slot?

trim valley
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Irl people will hunt coons with .22

dire spruce
crimson wadi
dire spruce
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as I mentioned above authentically C:1-3 technically is < 50lb game. However based on the current listing C: 1 is birds & hares that fall <10lbs, C:2 10-30lb, C:3 30-50lb, C:4 50-120lb give or take. Medium Game Irl range between the 50-300lb range by US standards. My theory is EW divided Birds, Small, Medium, Large, & Dangerous game into the #'d 1-9 classes trying something new. B4 EW started shifting game around for whatever the reason this made sense given the game list we have. But the game weights & scales are way off & are under sized or over sized. Grey fox & coyotes are 2 examples that scale & weight are off. Technically grey fox should fall in C:1 given they reach < 10lbs if that and are smaller than red fox. Coyotes are avg 30-60lbs (varies in habitat-pure bred not hybrids) and are bigger than red fox.

dire spruce
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bobcats are the smallest of the lynx family & I'll agree to disagree its class due to C:1 being birds & hares exclusively. If turkeys & geese are moved to C:2 as they should be exceeding 10lbs I can accept Bobcats being C:2 being they are the smallest of the lynx family. And they are scaled accurately weight is debatable. If Grey Fox is a C:2 over a C:1 any small game above 10lbs should be C:3 & above unless they correctly reclass the small game. However as the thread suggests Raccoons are properly classed but the scale & weight need TLC being that I trap them yearly due to my chickens.

dire spruce
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I will also agree as mentioned above 22LR should cover C: 1 & 1-2 game, while the 22H should be 1-2 & 1-3

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EW made a mistake doing the 1-9 classes adding hares to C:1 w/o considering the other species in C:2 & 3 accurately. I could give and find reason if C:1 was only birds and C:2 was < 10lb small game mammals and so on this would make alot more sense but by adding hares, turkeys & geese in C:1 it throws off the class balance across the board in the other classes. Pronghorn is 1 Ex. that makes no sense being a C:3 when they exceed 50lbs and well not to far from whitetail deer both weight n scale size (this can be debated on habitat) this also can be said for mule deer compared to whitetail (views can vary based on habitat).

primal barn
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Also things like nilgai being 308kg and being an extremely fragile class 6. Axis deer being 75kg and being class 3 while several other animals that are 75kg are class 4

dire spruce
primal barn
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Things like class 7 to me are 300kg and over. Sambar got moved to class 7, why can't nilgai?

Especially because nilgai are tanks. In game they're basically paper

dire spruce
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But logically speaking despite game being all over so is our calibers when it should be based on full range over 1 or the other as they are now 😮‍💨

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I'll look back at my old thread bc I broke the 1-9 classes down from the US categories I listed above which is based on ammo rated for that range. I did not make a class list that has C:1 exclusively birds

dire spruce
random vessel
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Hot take but I think the classes could be simplified/condensed a lot if vital organ penetration and range were more important than ammo

dire spruce
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I'll likely repost the 1-9 list after I make some corrections I noticed later.

dire spruce
# random vessel Hot take but I think the classes could be simplified/condensed a lot if vital or...

I would agree with you in terms of the medal mechanic. Harvest checks should be based on ethical dispatch & placement but while using the correct ammo over caliber. But yes EW spread things out too far over complicating mechanics it very well could've been extremely simple. Classic is one such example. As it is now calibers have a base single range with SP or PT's (to keep it simple) when there's several additional ways to do it.

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Ammo could've been class expended like the Bows, Shotguns, & Hudzik. Game could've been condensed to category while listing calibers to those categories instead of #'s. Rewards could've been rewarded as successful dispatch & shot placement. I believe someone mention WotH has a mechanic were its scored by meat damage?!

worldly pumice
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Top Shelf those raccoons! Regardless of Class rating.

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dire spruce