Pheasant G1 Grinding Megathread

[sour yew]

Describe your grievances and feelings on the new update.

Keep it civil, we want EW to hear our thoughts.

[dense sage]

Bro we just want it to go back to how it was before the patch

[pseudo saddle]

Is there any issue with this topic?

[pseudo saddle]

I’ve now seen the video https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1316005574584041514 Now I imagine the grinders are complaining. To me, this isn’t a bug. It seems realistic.

[analog quartz]

I hate when game companies make something infinitely longer and grindy than it has to be. Some of us have f#@!ing jobs and lives. No one complained about it before, the only thing I disliked were the bouncers.

[verbal socket]

pls devs, it was perfect the way it was

[proud condor]

Keep it civil everyone.

[verbal socket]

i can tell you of reallife hunts, they run and hide before they fly

[analog quartz]

Fr, i want a refund for this map now

[pseudo saddle]

Teleportation between campsite tents makes noise, and this naturally scares off the pheasants.

[analog quartz]

Yeah, however no one was complaining about that unless you are gringe. If you want to hunt pheasants the "real way" no one is stopping you.

[verbal socket]

you have do different a realistic hunting game and a arcade. They give us a reason to grind so give us a chance to get them

[analog quartz]

Add Phasant Decoys

Pheasants are lazy af, they avoid flying at all cost

[true geode]

Ok, I think we need to clarify how the Pheasant Mechanics works.
Since leaving Rancho del Arroyo they have had the mechanic of running to hide under a Shrub (Render of small vegetation), which works well because there are many **Shrubs **in Rancho.
The problem with the new map is that there are no **Shrubs **in the middle of the planted fields or open meadows, because of that the Pheasants have to run a lot to find one, so it looked unrealistic and did not allow hunting them realistically or efficiently when using the dog.

Well, with this in mind, you could go back and put up with too much running or add some Shrub renders in the middle of the planted fields and meadows.

But now people would complain that bushes in the middle of a field look unrealistic xD

[verbal socket]

nah mannn role "irl hunter" that's crazy man

[analog quartz]

I too love teleporting between my tents irl

[verbal socket]

i live in a area full of fields, even here the run and run and run and 2 meters before you could pet them they beginn to fly

[pseudo saddle]

I would say it’s the price you pay for using teleportation tents in their area of need. No wild bird in the world would calmly eat next to the tent.

[nocturne finch]

I haven't understood since today's update, they no longer hide in a bush and sometimes very close to it?.

[verbal socket]

it is still a game dude

[true geode]

That's how it is in real life, but in the game they use the Shrub Renders because that's how they were designed for the Ranch map.
For them to hide anywhere we will require a complete Rework to change their "search bush" system for a timer where they run for a few seconds and hide after a small race.

[analog quartz]

No animal is going to spend 4 hours straight drinking, by your logic they should nerf need zones

[true geode]

Now if they don't find a bush nearby, they just run a little and fly.

[verbal socket]

for me the don't even run a little they just fly the moment i teleport

[nocturne finch]

All right. It's quite understandable. the time I see them in the countryside is that, at first they look for the nearest bush but if they are panicked or don't see a bush they fly for a little while.

[true geode]

That is to avoid a grinding xploit, now they respond like all animals when one makes a fast travel

[pseudo saddle]

Some animals come early or late and leave early or late, but within a 4-hour range. And some rarely don’t come.

[nocturne finch]

I don't know if it's the same with you but every time I teleport it doesn't matter if it's a tent, a house. There's always the nearest group of animals that flees, it's a bit annoying but real.

[verbal socket]

i think you don't get it. Some people can't grind for 14 hrs per day and still want a g1. They grind, but with this change it is like the tahr, nearly impossible to get one now. Some creators will find a method but everyone has to find their one method because we don't have the same zones

[analog quartz]

I get 4 hours a day if im lucky

[verbal socket]

That's what i am saying

[analog quartz]

Go to the steam reviews! Time to make our voices on this new map heard! New Map is worth nothing now that pheasant grind is useless

[true geode]

Only move tents 150-200m from areas of need.
Some grinders were placing tents in the middle of the areas to be able to teleport and immediately kill the pheasants that were running to hide, giving them time to eliminate all the animals in the area, that is precisely an xploit, an abuse of the travel mechanics fast to eliminate as many animals as possible in a short time, It is not the result that the developers expect.

[primal robin]

Exactly, that's quite the problem I was referring to earlier in the G1 Chat Channel with some people, who didn't understand my stance.

[analog quartz]

Who wants to hunt phasants with a 22lr from 200m away

[verbal socket]

pls place me a tent 150 meters away if i have a zone right in the forest man

[primal robin]

you don't. It is just your tents that's 200 m away. Approach it slowly and pop it with your shotgun. 🙂

[true geode]

Do you want to shoot them from the tent? XD
You're supposed to get closer

[verbal socket]

impossible to get ur g1 like that if u only play 4 hrs per day

[analog quartz]

Sweet, so now i spend 1 of my 4 hours hunting only 10 pheasants instead of the average of 50

[primal robin]

depends how long you set your grind to last ? If you expect short grinds, sure that sucks. But hey, the thrill of a G1 will come to anyone with enough determination and patience. Might it be a 3 month or 1 year grind.

[true geode]

The g1s are not content for everyone, that is why there is a very large thread with all the requests to add alternatives

[primal robin]

do you like grounding pheasants ?

[verbal socket]

do some math okay? instead of killing 60 pheasants per hour kill 10. you have a full time job and want to hunt pheasants 4 hrs per day. your great one will spawn in 2k kills. Do you have fun with this?

[analog quartz]

If they arent worth anything then yeah

[primal robin]

For someone hunting only 1 species intensively for a grind mindset for weeks, the answer is no. For someone hunting various stuff with each hunting bout, i don't really care if i shoot 60 or 10 pheasants. I know the rewards of the grind (be it short or long) will come at the end of the road. If you play only for G1 trophies, of course you won't have fun.

[verbal socket]

you know how high the chance to get a g1 without grinding is right?

[primal robin]

nobody knows. And it's still a grinding processus. Just not as fast as yours.

[analog quartz]

You know that isn't grinding if you aren't hunting the same thing, that is just playing the game normal

[primal robin]

It's taking the opportunities of hunting other animals while hunting pheasants in their feed zones times slot. I don't see how that isn't grinding still. Yes, it's a lesser intensive one, but it still is one.

[analog quartz]

Okay, and i was grinding for my first G1, which is now soooo much harder than it has to be.

[verbal socket]

you just don't get it man, they give us a reason to grind so we grind, nobody would grind if their g1 just takes 10-100 kills

[primal robin]

Which will make it more rewarding

[primal robin]

I do get it. I know g1 won't take 10-100 kills buddy. I'm just saying that i don't need to kill 150 foxes or 300 pheasants each day to achieve my goal of getting one. I'm fine with it taking months at a lower rate

[analog quartz]

Why make something more hard? Especially if there are multiple ways to do it that make it harder for those who chose to do it that way anyway.

[hollow dove]

why don't they make harder to spawn a g1 .... just 0.01%, everyone would be happy

[pseudo saddle]

I hate doing this; it makes me feel misery and despair for hunting the same species over and over again for days.

[hollow dove]

if it take 20000 kills to spawn g1, would be happy

[verbal socket]

yeah YOU are fine man. Some people don't play this game every day butr still want a cool lodge. So why it is SO hard to get a g1 if they don't want us to hunt

[primal robin]

I guess it's an ethical principle from the Game Developper's. If they make airborne/grounding mechanics, they would expect the players to hunt them airborne.

[analog quartz]

Dude the issue isnt for grounding pheasants

[pseudo saddle]

Okay, go ahead

[primal robin]

I think the same would apply for tenting on them

[hollow dove]

before update ..., not like this new update

[hollow dove]

my first g1 whitetail took 13k kills, no complaints from me

[primal robin]

yes, i would. My enjoyment of the game is hunting animals immersively and each animal is a trophy to me. Diamonds and Rares and G1 certainly are a major reward along the way, but i'm satisfied just hunting anything, be it a female or a male. So yeah.

[analog quartz]

Imagine being an elitists AH that tells other people how they need to hunt, couldn't be me

[primal robin]

I am only stating my way of hunting, not how others people should, if that's what you are understanding from my message ?

[analog quartz]

And my way of hunting was to get in my tent and blast those birds from 10 m with my shotgun

[primal robin]

also no need for the "AH" thing.

[verbal socket]

but leave us alone with our opinion it is fine if you want to hunt this way, but we want to see trophies ( there are a lot of them) often and not a trophy every month, it is still a arcade game so reason to make it impossible for us to get a g1

[primal robin]

Cabela's an arcade game. But sure, i will let you guys alone on this matter.

[analog quartz]

Achievement Hunter?

[verbal socket]

ban for this ngl

[primal robin]

I was pretty sure the "AH" stood for the insult and not the term ThePokeFlynn used

[verbal socket]

still no reason to get offensive buddy

[primal robin]

i didn't ?

[verbal socket]

so A-hole is not offensive? i see i see

[primal robin]

Dude, he tagged me with his stance on the abbreviation "AH". I answered (maybe not with the greatest context, i do agree) with "A-Hole" as to which i thought the first person was referring to when he used "AH". I deleted my own after, because yeah

[verbal socket]

okay my bad get it know. lucky you

[pseudo saddle]

Beautiful! I’ve eaten pheasant before.

[verbal socket]

@narrow perch love you for that

[icy parcel]

Where have you been in real life when they just stood there staring at you while you ran on top of them?

[pseudo saddle]

Ok

[sour yew]

Keep it civil.

[winged temple]

I don't grind ... teleporting on top of the birds and shooting them while grounded doesn't appeal to me ....

I use the Dog and he works very well .... except that he needs to hunt faster ... If an alternate way of getting a G1 isn't introduced we will continue to have these arguments

Oh did I say the dog needs to hunt/search faster?

[mortal iron]

Far from it, look up pheasant hunting videos on YouTube, you can nearly step on pheasant before they fly away.

[mortal iron]

They don’t stare at you but look up any pheasant hunting videos on YouTube and you’ll see that you can nearly step on them before they fly off, they run and hide before flying, they don’t fly away when someone is 200 meters away.

[icy parcel]

Yes, but when they are spooked and there isn't cover, they fly.

[mortal iron]

But there’s plenty of cover on this map and I shouldn’t have level 1 pheasant fleeing at 200 meters from walking.

You will never find a pheasant in real life that flies away from someone walking 200 meters away, they don’t do that.

[pulsar niche]

My take on it;
Its mostly the fact that you can't really kill them in some places from that distance. Classic and COTW are two different ball games, with classic being realistic and COTW being arcade. In most zones on Salz for Phes, it's impossible to see them at 200 meters due to terrain, so trying to kill them can be a pain. As grinders we try to maximize efficiency in little time as possible, so combine the fact that some zones are quite literally impossible to see at 200, as well as zone placement, and that can kill your kph (kills per hour) I went from 150 to around 50 post update and it really kinda depresses me, I thought the pheasant would be the great one for the average player, a grind even those with an hour to play a day can do to get this amazing trophy but, no

[verbal socket]

because he talks something weird and you are just like " idc lol"

[verbal socket]

but they walk before this, just like BEFORE the update, so in my opinion this is not realistic. yes they spook like every other animal but they first run a little before they fly. Even on places with cover they just fly

[dawn condor]

Let me see if I have this correct. Before the hotfix, grinders were finding a need-zone in the middle of an empty field, setting up a bird blind and a tent about 2m away, changing the time, fast travelling to the tent, immediately entering the blind before the birds could spook (or at least delayed in spooking), then blasting all the roosters while grounded, and then moving on to the next set up to rinse and repeat. Is that about right?

Now, after the hotfix, the sound of the player fast travelling to the tent spooks the birds (as it does with all the other animals in the game), so that they fly away while the game loads the player into the tent, giving the impression that the player cannot get close to the birds. Is this correct? In other words, an exploit no longer works.

The pheasants clearly were not working as intended if they were just standing around waiting to be shot. Grinders just need to adjust their method slightly and move the tent off the need-zones. I don't see what the big deal is other than "efficiency" in pheasant culling might take a slight hit as the player will have to travel to their blinds (if they really need them).

If you don't care about grounded birds being shot, the .22LR at distance should work too.

[pulsar niche]

In certain Parts of Salz it is impossible to set up 200 meters away from the birds and be able to kill them, the only place where that is possible is the fields. So unless you have god rng, most of your zones will be mostly inaccessible, ungrindable, and a slog to hunt. I'm not saying we should be able to spawn on top of them, but there's not reason these dumb birds should be spooking at and over 200 meters away.

The areas circled in white are places where grinding pheasants will be gravely impacted or nearly impossible due to zone placement and/or terrain style.

[primal robin]

understandable. It's less open.

[icy parcel]

I'm wating a streamer still grinding pheasants after the changes, and not really much of a difference.

[pulsar niche]

Dm me a link, please, because I have to see it to believe it

[harsh bobcat]

This change seems like EW gave pheasants the tiger treatment - and it's getting the same response

[primal robin]

of course, give it too easy to them and they will complain when it's removed (which is somewhat logic)

[true geode]

Correct, more tears from grinders for not being able to use an exploit

[sour yew]

The pheasant was intended as a casual great one.

After the update this is anything but casual.

[true geode]

Pheasants were not scared by fast travel like the rest of the other animals, the update fixed that.
They just complain about not being able to continue abusing a bug/exploit to get a quick result.

[sour yew]

Are we even sure it’s a bug… EW really likes to use that “not working as intended” thing to save their own ass.

[true geode]

You can put a tent in the middle of their need zones, travel there or change the schedule and hunt down all the users before the birds could fly, we can't call that something "expected"

[opaque tinsel]

Actually they did flee, they just ran for cover instead of flying away instantly.

[crimson wigeon]

Yea you can, before we even got the map every grinder that knows how this game is played already had that exact plan in mind. If the devs want to say it’s not working as intended just means they don’t know how the game even works currently. They just see people getting great ones to easily and the run and gun people are getting upset because there style of play produces less high end trophies

[high plank]

To my understanding they still spooked, at least from what I saw in gameplay videos, it's just that it was delayed until the player spawned. Now, to my understanding, it happens while loading in so they're gone before you're prepared. Now given that this wasnt mentioned as being a bug in the early access build and was not said to be subject to change, it seems pretty ham-fisted and dishonest.

Some others have also told me they're now hyper aware and go defensive due to them or the dog starting at around 180 to 200 meters, which (if this is happening consistently as part of their newly modified behaviors) is way too damn far. No upland bird on the planet is that aware. IRL they might start getting skittish at about 130 to 140 yards and either hunker down where they are or run off to find cover at around 90 to 100 yards. If they're way out in the open in short grass they may flush at that distance in a panic.

[sour yew]

Flat out, had they said this would be subject to change I wouldn’t have bought it.

[nocturne finch]

I'm playing right now and I don't see any change. A male was afraid of me only around 30-50 m then at 20 m he hadn't left yet and a female was afraid from 70 m and again at 30 m and only when I left because I wasn't interested in her so she decided to run away around 200 m away.

[sour yew]

Are you utilizing tents?

[high plank]

Given that you're experiencing normal spook ranges on foot but others are seeing them kick up at 200 indicates to me that the hotfix actually broke them for some people and introduced a bug in their behavioral coding that makes them far too aware in certain circumstances.

Always trust a hotfix to break something.

[nocturne finch]

no, that’s why.

[high plank]

is it the same 180 meters spook radius as all other animals or is it different? Has anybody done any post-update testing?

[sour yew]

That’s an interesting point, I’d have to test it when I’m back at my setup

[viscid bear]

I just tried approaching 2 different pheasant zones with my dog, both times they decided to spooke at around 170ish, a bit frustrating not gonna lie

[nocturne finch]

Well in any case the version without dog and tent works, that's already a good thing.

[high plank]

So it seems that being a solo player works, which is a good baseline, but folks like @viscid bear above are having spooking issues when using the dog. It's pretty wonky that the hotfix made it so the dog that was specifically added with the map focused on upland game birds with the intention of making hunting those birds easier has now, in fact, made it more difficult cause of a screwy change to pheasant behavior.

[nocturne finch]

I was on the multiplayer of the new map, for a solo world I don't know probably, knowing that I was bugging a lot at the time so it's an achievement that it worked

[high plank]

This is truly one of the hotfixes of all time

[viscid bear]

It is a bit sad yes. Can't really get to use the new dog like I used to last week

[high plank]

Have you tested it with the other upland game birds as well to see if it has the same spooking results? Like does the dog also scare black grouse, etc. at like 180 meters?

[viscid bear]

I had it happen with the grouse too, but I did not check the range, when I realised they were already a bit far away. Gotta test it more

[celest crypt]

my problems in the game are -dog is super slow at hunting+bond dies from 3hearts to 0 in 20minutes. -pheasants spook too soon (irl they run for cover)-shotgun rages are absolute garbage 25meters ingame is almost the same as looking at your feet and if youre lucky you maybe kill animal with shotgun at 30meters instantly. the game was better without the fix update 😦

[high plank]

Noted, this may not have only affected the pheasants. It could be a mixture of both the upland birds as a whole and the dog being buggy thanks to the hotfix.

[celest crypt]

pointers irl atleast the ones i hunted with has ran in big circles and suddenly stop and point at animals

[winged temple]

after the patch if dog is sneaking and or pointing the birds stay calm ... hunter can fast crouch walk and get within 50 to 70 yards from birds before they will alert and start to run toward cover

[analog quartz]

Can you climb into a tripod from that distance?

[high plank]

ah so the change is primarily for walking? how far do they spook from walking?

[winged temple]

Not sure if the sneaking /pointing dog is actually holding a single bird in place or if other birds are effected too ... will need to do more testing

[winged temple]

with a fast crouch walk I was able to get within 60 yrds from a bird before he went alert

[analog quartz]

Will they spook if you climb into a tripod at that distance?

[winged temple]

I would say if you already have a tripod in place and you are in it before the birds arrive they will no spook

[high plank]

oh that's not too bad, should actually make them fairly easy to hunt; if it were fully realistic you'd be able to walk upright to that distance but im not too bothered by that tbh

[winged temple]

you may be able to crawl up to the tripod after they have arrived and get in it .... definitely running will spook than from further out

Also not sure if wind plays a part in the equation ... will need to check all the variables

[analog quartz]

SHouldnt have to imo, game was fine before this patch

[high plank]

Yeah the change is super redundant and really unnecessary; it seems that for those who the patch works for the birds still hunker or flee to good cover and then hunker, they just do it farther out. You also evidently need to be sneakier as JJ has found with both you and your dog crouching/sneaking in to get to a closer range.

Black grouse seem to go defensive from walking at around 130m but immediately hunker down as soon as they can, so you can go to their call location and flush them, it just takes more time.

[winged temple]

yes time and patience seems to be the key ... but that's also what grinders don't have much of ....i would like to see the dog hunt faster while searching ...

just going to take more time to pattern the birds behavior

[high plank]

having talked to someone actively testing it walking also seems to work, they just go alert sooner and shoot for the closest brush (which sometimes means flying off if out in the open); you can still close the distance and shoot them

overall it seems playable its just odd to have them do the same behavior but farther away; all it really does is delay it in a way that doesnt occur IRL

[analog quartz]

I don't understand something they don't participate in harder for others, if you dont like tent grinding, thats fine do it old school, but dont be ruining it for others

[torn quest]

What changed? I was planning to do a pheasant grind soon

[analog quartz]

They made pheasants have Ultra Instinct

[torn quest]

What does that mean 😭

[primal robin]

they made them flee like every other animal if you fast travel

[analog quartz]

They are hyper sensitive and fly away as soon as you are 130m away

[torn quest]

Ohhhh, gotcha

[high plank]

It seems to mainly be related to going in with a dog and it's oddly inconsistent; a friend of mine is walking up to like 60 meters from them before they get defensive sometimes and others they spook at 130-200m but hunker down so he can just rock up and go to their last call then find and flush them.

Ducks like gadwall and goldeneye though are spooking from him walking at like 180-200m, which is super odd. Ducks were supposed to be less aware with the hotfix.

[harsh bobcat]

Test of New Hot Fix:
-Fast Traveled to a tent 200yds from a pheasant zone – got into the tent in time to see them flying away in the distance. They left before I got there. Found the tracks from a male I spotted – they were 202yds from the tent. Unexpected.
-FT to a tent 70yds from a zone – again they were flying off in the distance. To be expected.
-Pointer searching Small Game, good wind, he's sneaking and I'm in a crouch, flock of 6 pheasants spooked and flew at 110yds. Unexpected.
-Pointer searching, sneaking and crouched, graylag spooked and flew at 95yds.

[analog quartz]

Its fun when developers turn a grind into 40 minutes of crawling

[analog quartz]

yrds or meters?

[harsh bobcat]

I use yards 🇺🇲

[high plank]

freedom units

[hoary sonnet]

I just got my tents set up the other day too

[high plank]

yeah it sucks but basically you gotta have them 180+m or 210+ yards away from the pheasants now; still leaves room for .22 sniping roosters if you want a speedy grind though

[hoary sonnet]

That sucks I picked pheasant since it was different than everything else since u could use a shotgun guess I should have stayed with whitetail

[high plank]

it seems you can still close without a dog and with some crouch walking to get into shotgun range and flush them it just takes longer. A casual grind is still possible just more difficult/less efficient.

[analog quartz]

Welcome to CotW You ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HUNT WITH A SHOTGUN

Fr the first time using a shotgun was actully useful over a rifle and thats alllll over

[hoary sonnet]

So what do I do with all my duck blinds now 😂

[high plank]

test them to make sure ducks will come in and land under good wind and keep or move accordingly

[winged temple]

Probably need to make adjustments .... blinds are probably okay but may need to move tents

They also may add a pheasant caller that could bring the birds into shot gun range ....

[high plank]

that would help

would be nice yo at least have a locator

[winged temple]

ducks and geese don't seem to be affected ... when using a caller and decoys you can bring them in pretty much anytime

[proud condor]

So from what I've gathered I think this is just what happened to the Tahr. It was easy, and they showed all the cool feather types, but now they are much harder to get. When before for both they were much easier. Which I can get why the EW team wants to make them harder. But it is much funner and easier for other people who have less time to get them if they're easier. Does it make them much easier for people who play a lot? Yes.
But I think Great Ones should be attainable for everyone at least once. So return them or make them a little easier to hunt than after this update. I also want to say I have eight Great Ones, that I have worked and grinded for months, but that's after 2,500+ hours and thousands of kills. If that's the dedication EW wants from their players that's fine.
But for people a schedule that has very little time to hunt in it, they may barely get to 500 hours. I think all Great Ones should be a tad bit easier just for everyone.

That's all I have to say.

[torn quest]

I only have time to hunt on weekends, for me getting a G1 would take absolutely ages and I'm just not willing to spend my weekends sitting there and grinding, no matter how pretty a G1 is

[true geode]

This is why another option is needed to get g1s without eliminating the grind for those who do it.
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1124385608522006579

[river widget]

It’s crazy how much the vocal non-grinding community DESPISES the grinders while we just want everyone to play how they enjoy the game.

Just going to leave this here.

[willow quartz]

Not hard to when updates happen entirely because of grinders

[river widget]

Were grinders asking for this? What other updates were made because of them? Can you substantiate your claim?

[high plank]

the hotfix to remove the four lake method for tigers, the tent change update in the wake of the first tahr grinds, and various need zone alterations over the last several years come to mind personally

[river widget]

Grinders were asking for this??? Who??? These were things grinders enjoyed

[willow quartz]

No one asked, the devs are just too focused on keeping grinders interested. They see exploits being actively used and go to correct it only to cause a ton more issues

[river widget]

Your statement contradicts itself. “Too focused on keeping grinders interested,” conflicts with “…exploits being actively used.”

Also, it wasn’t an exploit, it’s literally how they made the pheasants.

[opal spear]

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[river widget]

We’re not going to agree, and that’s fine. I’m not going to sit here and beat a dead horse. What’s done is done, and based off the last changes the devs made, it will stay that way. Take care everyone

[torn quest]

I feel like the 4 lake tiger crap started it 😭

[willow quartz]

It's not contradictory. They see videos and constant chatter about shooting hundreds and thousands of animals to force the GO to spawn. They want to keep interest in the game and take steps to slow down the kill count so no one burns out on the game and leaves.

90% of those moves absolutely screw casual players to the point that there's no reason to play. Most people have 3 or 4 hours sometimes a lot less to play, so anything that makes the game more difficult make it even harder on people who play slowly to enjoy the game

[high plank]

no they didnt ask for them but the use of exploits relating to those patches or that those patches directly addressed is what caused those patches to be made

I'm really just pointing out that grinding surfaces exploits and bugs that would otherwise never be seen.

[primal robin]

what lmao

[willow quartz]

I think it was either an autism moment or an attempt to stop an argument

[winged temple]

If I read some grinders comments correctly in this thread ..... they want Pheasent G1 grinding made easier so that they can have an easier G1 .... But when casuals ask for an alternate way to get a G1 other than grinding the grinders response is absolutely not .... they say

G1's should be difficult and you're diminishing the value of the G1 ....

I'm I the only one confused by this logic? .....

[high plank]

It is highly confusing to me as well so no, you are not alone.

[willow quartz]

Nah, you ain't the only one bothered by this

[jovial temple]

Yeah the logic of wanting the G1 Pheasant grind to be easy while being against casual players having a non-grindy way to get their own G1s is confusing and a bit contradictory

[peak plume]

Facts. It's basically being hypocritical and personally there should be a way for casuals to be able to get a G1 without having to result to grinding. Atp the only way to even get one is to grind. I want a G1 fox so badly I'm grinding but I'm usually a casual player and this is the first time I have even been able to consider committing to grinding. I just want a better way for me to get a G1 and stay a casual player without setting up a grind and grinding for like 80 hours +

[winged temple]

There is still hope on the horizon https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753

Feel free to add you own thoughts ...

[willow quartz]

Legitimate question, the GOs take a huge amount of time, resources, and work for less than one fourth of the players to actually see. What's the point? It's a reward for people who play endlessly when everyone is paying the same amount for these dlcs

[spice trench]

They are in the air before i can even load in

[willow quartz]

@river widget keep laughing, you left when it started making sense why grinders are disliked

[torn quest]

Agree with all this. As a casual player who literally only has time to play on weekends, getting a G1 would take me months - if not even longer. It's ridiculous. There should be another way to get them without grinding that can, and should be difficult, but still doable for the casual player.

[pine socket]

I think that the new update is what EW wanted but I believe they could’ve handled it differently. It is so hard to shoot pheasants on controller or console now just bc of the fact they fly right away. And for many people they don’t even load in quick enough to see the pheasants because they are in an older hardware system. ex. ps4 or xbox 1. i think it should be tweaked a bit so they fly away after say 10 seconds or when you get within 15 meters of them, so those casuals who want to walk around and shoot can still flush them easily but the grinders, since pheasants don’t have a drink time, can set up a tent 20 meters away then drop in a shoot still while grounded if that’s what they choose. it just takes so much longer now and half the time you can’t even hit your shots because consol is not as good as pc. frustrating but i do understand why EW made this change. I think most of the community tho thinks there could be some improving off that and some balance between the benefits for hardcore grinders and casuals

I hope EW can see this and take everyone opinions into account not just mine. if i am wrong and most of the community disagrees so be it. i’m not entitled to what i think is best just expressing my opinion on the topic

[rich pond]

the right thing to do and the negative evaluation on steam, epic games, and in console stores, because this is the second time he's done this, the same thing happened when the tiger came so you could change the tent system to They don't get scared, then I went and ruined everything again, then all the animals didn't respawn, now the same thing again.

[rich pond]

but that's GRAND, that's why there are 2 communities in the game, people who play casually and others who play GRAND.

[nocturne finch]

Personally I have an Xbox 1 which dates from its beginnings, so around ten years ago, it no longer accepts discs because the disc reader does not work and yet I have no problem with pheasants, limit yesterday when I I played multiplayer on the new Map and I was bugging like never before. I still managed to be in front of a male pheasant 15-20 m from him and he only started to get scared at 25-30 m. So if you are really a normal player, without the use of a dog, tent etc... The game is perfect. Apart from the bush bug and the fact that when you teleport in the maps the closest group of animals disappears, at least as long as someone playing on a very old console, it works perfectly.

[tulip pike]

Not impossible until you try. I got a G1 Red Deer with 9k kills and it only took me a few weeks to grind him out with only about 2 - 3 hours per day after work. It’s a GRIND. It’s not supposed to be easy.

[verbal socket]

how many kills per hour?

[verbal socket]

with 60 kills per hour you need 2 months if you play the game every day for 3 hours..

[primal robin]

No. 60 kills by hour x 3 hoursx 61 days = 10 980 kills

Oh wait i get you were using the 9k grind for the red deer said above. Gotcha

[tulip pike]

Around 65 - 70 per hour at the peak. Took me just over 3 weeks.

[nimble star]

Im a Pc player but even i am finding the grind leas fun then it was before mainly because by the time im loaded in the pheasants are already 70+ yds away from my tent and its super annoying to try to get them from that far. What EW SHOULD have fixed is the fact that i can put 4 rounds of bird shot into a single pheasant and it still take a long time for it to die

Im so close to doing my runs with slugs just that that die faster

[unborn shore]

Yeah I've definitely noticed this. People who dedicate grinds to farming GOs have said that they shouldn't be easy to get (and as someone who plays a lot but doesn't dedicate any grinds to them, I do agree on that front. If they were easy, it'd water down how impressive they are)

With the release of the GO pheasant, I saw people complaining that it was "too easy to get." Understandable, though it's also inherently easier bc pheasants aren't difficult to hunt

People found a method that involves fast traveling on top of zones to shoot them while the pheasants were essentially "sitting ducks." This inherently made them easier but it was seen as a good thing

Now that they're a little harder, it's a problem. I've seen it a bit here and there, and it's something I'm not quite understanding

I'm by no means an "anti-grind casual." I've played this game a lot. Like, my free time is mostly occupied by this game alone. I've dedicated a lot of time, energy, and money into what is basically my favorite game. I'm far from a "casual player." I have no qualms with people grinding for GOs, and I'm not here to say "grrr grinding bad." But the hypocrisy of "they should be hard to get" but "now they're not easy wtf" has been fairly noticeable.

Regarding pheasants, I have been hearing from people about them spooking from way further away (not including fast traveling), which sounds to me like something was overtuned or something got bugged

I doubt the intention of pheasant hunting was to require extreme stealth like you're stalking predators

[lost jackal]

I feel no difference with the pheasants honestly

They just don’t take as long to take the air imo

[unborn shore]

I'll have to go in and check myself, last time I went after pheasants (a few days ago) I was able to literally run at them and chase them around on the ground for a bit

[harsh bobcat]

Zombie pheasant...the thrill is gone

[unborn shore]

it's the delayed Halloween event from Classic :)

[lost jackal]

The pheasants and other birds in general are still far too tanky

[tulip pike]

I’m dropping them at 50 with the 12GA. They’re not that Tanky.

[verbal socket]

doesn't even make sense lol

or you are not on 9k kills

[lapis temple]

Middle mouse Keybinds Aren't Working

[nimble star]

Personally its okay that they stopped making them sitting duck but what i dont like is how fast they are already out of their zones ones the player loads in

I would have even been okay with them making it more faster for them to take off but not this fast where you have to practice far aiming to be able to actually hit the pheasant

[tulip pike]

Listen, I know you like starting arguments as that’s what you’ve done the last 2 days, but I’m not perfect. I based my numbers off of codex kills, not the counting number of stags with a counting app. I may be wrong on the amount I killed, but it was definitely upwards of 7k. Either way, it shouldn’t matter. It was nigh on 2 1/2 years ago.

[viscid citrus]

Overall I don’t care about the tent change since I do get why a hunting game doesn’t want players just spawning in on top of the animals, just kinda meh on how the same type of pretty noticeable “bug” got through again. Was already kinda confused how it happened the first time, even more confused how it happened the second. Again like I said last time just wish they’d give a “hey this isn’t intended behavior” notice ASAP.

[winged temple]

Yes the mistake here is how this tent bug got through twice in a row ... Especially with the uproar it caused in Nepal ... However it is a bug that needed to be fixed ....

**You should not be able to fast travel on top of any animal zone without it spooking the animals immediately **

This is a dev mistake but it's also a player mistake as well ... The players should have known that it wasnt working right and was going to be fixed .... Just like it was fixed with Nepal

[viscid citrus]

They’ve had long standing tent behavior that no one really knew it wasn’t intended before, I can’t really blame grinders for just doing what’s in their name and finding the most efficient way to grind when they never know what’s intended or not. Which is why I think EW should make sure to send out notices.

[winged temple]

Send out notices for what ?? It was a bug that they didn't know existed until they dropped the update ... You cant send out notices telling people about something that they didn't know about ....

[viscid citrus]

??? They would’ve had to know for a bit to fix it. They didn’t find out the second they dropped the update.

[winged temple]

And yes the grinders should have known because it happen in Nepal as well ... I blame CC's that took advantage of this as well .... In early access I was watching CC's and I said then ... this doesnt look right and I'm not a grinder at all ...

When people are greedy for trophy's they take advantage or exploit the situation.. Now it's fixed ... community needs to get over it ....

[winged temple]

It was a hot fix ... would sending out a notice have changed anything???

would it have stopped people from exploiting a bug ???

No announcing a bug before fixing it invites even more people to exploit it before a fix can be made ...

[viscid citrus]

I just wanted notice so that I didn’t waste my time setting up tents in a way that shouldn’t have been done. I view grinders like Minecraft redstoners. I don’t blame them for just thinking this is how pheasants work. I didn’t think much about it and just figured that it just came with their species specific behavior but it also makes sense it wasn’t intended, which is why I said I didn’t care about the change overall but I wanted notice, since like I said before hand moving tents is like…my least favorite part of the game. Chill out a bit.

[verbal socket]

i mean you started 2 arguments with me, after 4 hours where nobody said anything untill you had so say smthing again... Just be quiet with your wrong infos man, not my bad if you are wrong i just say facts

[winged temple]

@viscid citrus I'm chill friend not upset with anyone

But it is amusing that so many people are upset over EW fixing a very obvious bug ... And it has nothing to do with Pheasant behavior .... It's the placing of a tent in the middle of a zone and being able to fast travel there without them spooking

And even now ... after EW has announced and fixed a very obvious bug ... that people are still complaining and want them to put the bug back in the game ....

I apologize if you took my comments personally but there is just no reason why we should have all this angst and uproar over this hot fix ....

[verbal socket]

i am sorry but you know pheasant behavior? they run before they fly because they're so lazy. So they spook if you fast travel and run away. The problem that everyone is complaining about is that they spook too fast now. It was not good before the update and not good now. They had to do it faster but this is too fast

[empty yacht]

I feel that a very important point was mentioned at the beginning about the time aspect, in all reality the pheasant is a bird, thus smaller and I would say less impressive than a moose GO obviously, so I don’t see why it should be as hard or harder to get than one, in my eyes it would be better the way before for a nice easy opening into the world of Great Ones

[winged temple]

Im not sure why they chose to fix it in the way that they did ... For all other species when you placed a tent too close to a zone the animals were just invis when you fast traveled to that tent ...

I'm uncertain why they didn't do that with the Pheasants ....

Just make them invisible ... Then as a secondary issue you can tweak the pheasant running behavior when they are approached in a normal or more acceptable way .....

[viscid citrus]

Animals dont go invisible anymore when you’re too close to them so it’d be a bit weird. They just auto spook. Which is what was happening to the pheasents, but they’d not run correctly due to their behavior, which is why it’s phesent behavior and not a tent issue. I just called them the same since I didn’t think the semantics mattered since it still resulted in being able to TP onto animals to kill them.

But yeah I get why people are a bit upset at the change, no matter what there will be people upset at it, but I also get why EW doesn’t want people air dropping on animals LOL

And yeah, you just came in a bit hot to me saying grinders where greedy for trophies as someone who is a casual grinder saying I wouldn’t of done my tents if I’d known, it was just a bit funny to me lol

[winged temple]

Ok so this is a consequence of the change they made with Nepal where they made animals auto spook instead of going invis .....

[viscid citrus]

Yes! I believe it was one of the tent changes included around that time iirc, so it was easy to miss because they changed them…a lot haha

But due to it being phesent behavior, me and I’m sure others just saw it as something that happened due to it, didn’t really immediately tip my “oh this HAS to be a bug”

[winged temple]

Well again I fault not just EW but also certain CC's that showed off this behavior in early access .... And used it to get several G1's

....
They need to go back to removing CC progress after early access ... And notify the CC that it's a bug that is going to be fixed ....

[primal robin]

I mean, would it be normal to have teleportation to tents on top of the pheasants (no, anyways, teleportation wouldn’t be normal at all). However, the weird thing was people had time to shoot many grounded before they took off. Of course, for most animals, you might have time to shoot two before they flee, but that was just absurd

[viscid citrus]

But my whole point is how were they supposed to know if EW didn’t tell them? And if it’s been a thing since early access that CCs were showing off…then again that’s just more on EW not informing them to me. Might’ve cemented to some of them that it was fine.

And yeah, pheasant behavior still. It’s because they’d try to hide but the open fields messed with them from my understanding? Could be wrong but that’s what I gathered from the break down

[primal robin]

The thing is they knew it was going to get fixed. They just maximized their time on this peculiarity (which from a grinder point of view, is the least time consuming method of getting one). Some CC’s said loud and clear after the update they knew it was going to get fixed, only when it would, they didn’t know

[viscid citrus]

I watch only a couple, they seemed more surprised than anything. I wouldn’t doubt some content creators guessing I’m just against the idea everyone was being ‘malicious’ about it.

[primal robin]

Oh for sure, not everyone was going ham on the tent « trick ». It’s a small minority of people that grind, and a handful of those from that subset

[winged temple]

If those CC's knew it was going to be fixed then they should have stopped ... and if EW knew during early access that the birds were being exploited .... It all comes down to when the exploit was discovered but doesn't change the fact that it was a bug that caused an exploit that needed to be fixed .....

[viscid citrus]

I do hope it doesn’t put EW off more bird great ones, they’re so pretty I’d love to see more

[primal robin]

there are pros and cons to saying they know it’s a bug while it’s not resolved. It could be perceived as an unethical grind and bring bad reputation to the CC and/or the community. However, some people like to know the easiest paths to a certain goal, and some creators are more than happy and rightfully do all in their time to satisfy that need (whether they know or don’t know it’s a bug)

Some CC’s have more immersive and realistic hunts and some have more « arcade » styles hunts (which are centered by efficiency)

[winged temple]

Thanks for the great discussion ..... I'm out .... 🙂

[primal robin]

Thank you aswell

[sour yew]

Is it really the cc’s fault when it was literally described as a “new feature coming with the sundarpatan update”? And then they immediately walked it back weeks later?

[winged temple]

Well a lack of communication is always the root of these issues ... And I was critical of EW during that Nepal release not for fixing an exploit but for failure to communicate with the community

In most situations the absence of communication causes things to fall apart pretty quickly .... But with that fiasco literally happening just a few months ago ... I would have thought that EW and all involved would have learned a lesson from it ...

Obviously not !!

[sour yew]

I SHOULD be able to rely on EW in producing fully functional (working as intended) product yes or no?

[unborn shore]

Fun fact about game development: sometimes bugs can slip through the cracks without QA testers catching it. It happens all the time. It's not something unique with this game. It doesn't help when the notorious "fix one thing and something else breaks" situation happens (and this is pretty common in game dev)

[unborn shore]

And this exact situation here happens pretty frequently too:

• people find a bug/exploit
• people start using it to their advantage
• widespread use draws attention to it
• the devs learn of the bug/exploit
• they make a hotfix to patch it out if they deem it necessary
• the people that used it riot and say "they hate how we play, the game is ruined"
  I've seen it in so many different games, it's not even a unique thing here

I also wanna bring up something that a few people have said before:

• "GOs shouldn't be easy" agreeable
• GO pheasant seemed to be easier: some complained that "it's too easy, what's the point"
• people find a bug/exploit to make getting them easier, seen as okay
• people use it pretty heavily
• devs patch out bug/exploit, inherently making them harder
• "why did they make it harder >:("

As I say all the time, I'm not a "grrr grinding bad," person. As a hardcore player with a lot of time and experience in the game, I'm not one to tell people how they should and shouldn't play

But between actively exploiting the game and the hypocrisy between "they shouldn't be easy" vs "why did they make them harder, the entire game is ruined," the weirdness is pretty noticeable

[true geode]

The same thing happens with the thread asking for Alternatives to get g1s, many say "That will definitely devalue the Trophy" but when someone mentions that "grinding devalued diamonds" they respond "it doesn't devalue diamonds since you shouldn't care about the trophies others get.."

[vernal yew]

i got 3 great one tahr since they changed to scare the animals when you travel on top of them and i could get more but i moved to moose and got about 5 since that update. now I'm hunting pheasant and it's going very well, I've moved all my tents 200 meters from the areas and I'm doing great. I don't understand these people who keep complaining, instead of complaining so much... try to adapt to the situation and move on

these people who complain so much are the ones who don't like to put more effort into getting something

[sour yew]

Obviously, and that’s not at all my point. It ain’t particularly hard to alert your CC’s upon seeing that this “exploit” as soon as it went live to alert them. I’m sure this would cause wayyyy less outrage if that was the case.

I mean if EW had just stated that it’s subject to change…

[vernal yew]

it was obvious that they would do something about the pheasants, they were too easy to get. I knew from the first days that they would do something about the pheasants

[sour yew]

As a company it is your responsibility to ensure utmost clarity.

[vernal yew]

I also complained on the day of the change, but I got over it and adapted to the situation

[sour yew]

It seems you just want to fight.

[dawn condor]

In this case, I do not think it was a lack of communication, because I don't think they were actually responding to an exploit being used by grinders. Rather, I think they were trying to solve a problem with the pheasants (and others) not flying -- at all -- when in the open, but running for cover (no matter how distant) instead.

This was extremely frustrating for those of us actually trying to hunt them and shoot them on the wing. The side effect was that the grinding method most were using was consequently disrupted.

It probably never occurred to them that this is something that even needed to be communicated other than "pheasants work now as intended"

[karmic lion]

it can very well be the reason, but some of these changes that EW does seem, kind of pointless, not saying that this is, but i dont know why they needed to change respawns so that you cant force them when going to the menu. This only affected grinders and people who play casually didnt even notice anything. Sometimes from the grinders perspective it can seem like EW wants to make the grinds artificially harder.

[harsh bobcat]

From things EW said, it seems like Main Menuing was causing the animal populations to shift course repeatedly, which caused a lot of problems like crashing, or animals not returning to their need zones appropriately. I think this is one of the many problems EW is dealing with while trying to keep the game running on 10+ year-old consoles.

[lusty vapor]

Very true. The game is using up all of the PS4 resources now. The game lags a ton on a large part of north east side of the new Salzwiesen Park map.

[rapid geode]

The change to the pheasants is annoying for me because I’m on console and they are so hard to shoot, but what is even more frustrating is the flight patterns they have now. Like they’ll fly away then fake land and keep flying. Has anyone noticed this?

Also using CCs to advertise your game and show off something that you know you are going to want to change and not saying anything about it is a bit disingenuous imo. Personally if I knew they would change pheasants like that I wouldn’t have bought the new map.

[rapid geode]

I hate to reply to this so late but I just can’t help myself. Whatever alternative way you want GOs to be rewarded will be far easier than any grind. There are literally endless possibilities when starting a grind. You might go 10,000 kills and no go or go 10 kills and get one. I get some people don’t have the time to invest to grinding all day but it doesn’t have to be that. You can just grind when you have time. It’s not like when you start you’re locked in for x amount of time.

[primal robin]

exactly. some of the grinders define grinding by their standards, and do not consider what grinding means for others

[unborn shore]

Precisely. By all technical means, I do "grind" in this game, but it isn't the "pRoPeR GrInd" bc I don't set up tents and tripods. When I do grind, I usually just set out and go through my zones on foot

But that makes me a "casual" in some people's books lol

I haven't tested it on pheasants yet, but if they are spooking properly and flying instead of the 100+ meter waddle that they do in an open field, that's awesome for me. it would actually save some time, and would mean I don't have to chase pheasants from the middle of a field all the way into the treeline just to get them to fly

I have heard a few reports about pheasants just spooking in general from way further than normal (not talking about fast traveling), but I'll have to go in and see

idk if the fix applied to all upland birds or if it was just a pheasant issue, but I haven't had any issues with bobwhites on NEM (besides simply seeing them bc they're so small lol)

[harsh bobcat]

Test of New Hot Fix:
-Fast Traveled to a tent 200yds from a pheasant zone – got into the tent in time to see them flying away in the distance. They left before I got there. Found the tracks from a male I spotted – they were 202yds from the tent. Unexpected.
-FT to a tent 70yds from a zone – again they were flying off in the distance. To be expected.
-Pointer searching Small Game, good wind, he's sneaking and I'm in a crouch, flock of 6 pheasants spooked and flew at 110yds. Unexpected.
-Pointer searching, sneaking and crouched, Graylag spooked and flew at 95yds.

[winged temple]

I have addressed comments like these in the main thread on this topic https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753

So here's the summary, It's really about the play style .of being forced to play the game in only one way...... As if grinding is the only way .... Sure there are grinders that consider themselves casual grinders .... But some people just don't want to grind ....

There is a very large segment of our player population that just want to play/hunt the way they want in the time they have available and they just don't like setting up tents and hopping from one to the other trying to kill as many animals as quick as they can ....

And guess what that's why it's called grinding ... Other games refer to it as min maxing .... it's been around for a long time ...

But the point of my post that you responded to is to say that most grinders will say that grinding is the only way or should be the only way to get a G1. Because any other way devalues the G1 ... That is if you dont have to grind for it then you don't deserve it .....

While at the same time we have grinders in this thread being upset because EW took away their easy method of getting a G1 ..... Its the Hypocrisy of it all ...

And there is not a single ""Hard Core Grinder " that wasn't taking advantage of the most recent Pheasant exploit. Even those that claim to love grinding so much were willing to cut corners and exploit when it game to grinding Pheasants ....

I encourage you to take a look at the main thread on this topic to learn more https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753
I assure you there are alternatives to grinding that are just as rewarding and worthy of getting a G1 ... And it doesn't require a complete redesign of the game to accomplish those goals ....

[winged temple]

This is the type of information we should be providing to EW to let them know whether or not the birds are behaving as intended .... When I get the proper amount of time I intend on testing this as well ...

[olive moss]

It’s not fixed tho I have a tent 180m away from a pheasant zone and since I’m on Xbox one when I spawn in they are gone already they spook to far like the geese and ducks that spook in the air and spawning near zones isn’t an exploit

[unborn shore]

I'm pretty sure the spooking distance for fast traveling is above 180 meters, so that sounds like it's working as intended

Fast traveling near a zone isn't an exploit by any means. What people were exploiting was pheasants not spooking properly. They would spend a lot of time trying to flee to cover (or just hunkering down in place) when there's no cover to hide. If they were out in the middle of a field, you'd basically have to chase them to the treeline to get them to fly

I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but i'm not sure if this issue affected all upland birds or if it was just pheasants. That being said, I was able to actually enjoy hunting bobwhites yesterday, which is a first lol

[winged temple]

Keep in mind that you need to be 180m away from the birds and not the zone. The birds can actually be 50m in a radius of the zone ....

[rapid geode]

I went and looked at the thread and what I said still is the truth. No matter what that will be far easier than any grind. I understand that some people don’t want to grind and that’s fine. Tbh I don’t even really care about GOs being devalued so if they do implement a system like that it would be ok with me.

Where I do have a problem is you saying that it was a “easy method of getting a go” I had to get 4920 kills before I got my first one. What about that is easy??? All of it is rng so you quite literally might be there for months. Like I said before I understand why they changed it. It just seems like any time a grind is affected people flock to call grinders out when they have something to say about it.

Last point how is it fair to people that saw content creators grinding pheasants for almost a week like this expecting to use the new map to do the same. Then out of nowhere EW pulls the rug from under them. At least give us warning that it’s subject to change.

[winged temple]

Okay so are you saying that you killed 4920 Pheasants before you got your first Pheasant G1?

[rapid geode]

Yes

[winged temple]

actually early access was only for 3 days before release and we saw hard core grinders getting multiple G1's after a few hundred kills ..... But be that as it may .....

Easy was not my perception of getting the Pheasant G1 but I believe easy or easier was the perception of many "casual grinders" when they compared to pheasents to other G1 grinds .

This is why the anger erupted and still exists over EW fixing the Pheasant exploit ... They wanted an easier grind ...

Obviously you do not buy into that narrative because you were able to kill 4k+ birds even after the exploit fix ....

So what is you perception of the fix and current state of the pheasant behavior ?

[lost jackal]

There was a pheasant exploit????

[rapid geode]

Well no early access was five days lol. Anyways yeah some got it in only hundreds of kills… rng. Of course compared to anything in a group one thing will be the easiest to do.

I think a big part of the anger comes from ew making changes with zero notice and like, especially when CCs had been doing this and ew said not a word. Btw I killed that many before the fix.

Like I said I understand why they changed it I just don’t get the timing and lack of communication. It’s obvious they won’t change it back now so but I at least would like them to fix the flight patterns. The pheasants will take off, then fake land and fly again. It’s borderline impossible to hit them efficiently.

[rapid geode]

If you consider an exploit how the developers coded the game yes.

[unborn shore]

In a way yeah. People took advantage of pheasants not fleeing properly (bugged behavior), and people leaned on it entirely for their grinds by teleporting on top of them and shooting them as they waddled around in the middle of an open field

[unborn shore]

Even I took advantage of it by literally running from zone to zone bc I knew they'd just awkwardly stumble around in the open instead of trying to fly off (bc if pheasants have no nearby cover to run to, they're supposed to fly to gain distance)

[opaque tinsel]

Not our fault they have pea size brains xD. Honestly though I'm use to grinds changing. I use to grind mountain lions from 2020 to 2021 hard-core. Went from being able to kill 35 to 40 a run, to 20 25, to 15 20 and then 10 15 plus them drinking at night.

[winged temple]

@rapid geode .... Okay so you manged to kill 4920 Pheasants between the time of release on the 3rd and the fix which dropped on the 10th .... That's an impressive kill rate .... How long did that take you? .... How many hours did it take? ....

And all done in a 1 week time frame ... It certainly sounds like a pretty minimal/easy grind compared to other G1's 👏

[rapid geode]

For two days after school id get on for about 6 hours. Until I got sick and had nothing better to do than grind pheasant. I got it the day before the fix. I guess you wouldn’t know since you don’t grind but 4920 kills is not an easy grind no matter how you got them. Like I said before even after the update there is still an easiest grind and it’s probably still the pheasant, at least for people on pc.

[winged temple]

@rapid geode but 4920 kills is not an easy grind no matter how you got them.

So if I'm understanding correctly then 12 to 18 hours to get that many kills ??? But also you were able to grind while you were sick .... So you had the time to get that many kills ...

And that's the point that many are saying about G1 grinding .... Many/most people dont have that kind of time ....

And even I think you will admit that had you not been sick you wouldn't have had the time either

[rapid geode]

Man you gotta listen. I don’t care if ew makes a new method for people to get great ones that’s fine. But the root of the issue here is the actual game developers lack of transparency. There is no way they watched the ccs grind like that and thought “oh that’s fine” then when they saw everyone grinding like that after release instantly went back on their stance.

[winged temple]

@rapid geode but overall the grind was easier before the exploit fix

and thats the hypocrisy of some grinders who only want G1 reserved for those who have the time and are willing to grind ....

[winged temple]

Oh I'm listening and I think you will find in this very thread that I've been critical of EW for not communicating ..... Check it out #1316032026117406740 message

[unborn shore]

there's a good chance that they couldn't delay the release and were working on a fix between then and the launch of the hotfix

game development takes time. bugs aren't always easy to fix, and their fixes often aren't instant

[rapid geode]

Of course! But it would be so easy to say “The pheasants aren’t working how they should be and expect some changes to come” but instead they waited for everyone to buy the map without saying anything and play without saying anything then drop the update.

[rapid geode]

Then stop making it about the players. Every chance you get to attack grinders you go for it and it’s getting kinda old atp. I don’t bash you for how you play so why come at us???

[winged temple]

I agree and there is always the concern that if you shine a light on the exploit and let people know that a fix is on the way that everyone will jump on train and start exploiting Pheasents

Thats exactly what happened with tigers in Nepal .... Tigers were supposed to be a rare and special trophy .... that is until exploits were discovered and EW anounced they were working on a fix

[unborn shore]

You can't really win in that regard, bc honestly people would probably have been just as upset because "well the content creators could do it and we can right now, but they're gonna ruin it later because they don't want us to have fun." I've seen these scenarios happen in so many different games, "damned if you do, damned if you don't"

[rapid geode]

Sure but at least people won’t spend money on a map expecting to grind pheasant like that on said map. Then be disappointed when an update comes out.

[unborn shore]

Tbf you can still absolutely grind pheasants, you just can't cheese them now like you could before. it's not like the devs completely took pheasants away

[lost jackal]

Hadn’t noticed tbh

I just shoot the low levels on the ground or air interchangeably unless it’s a rare

[rapid geode]

I’m not saying you can’t of course you can. It just all about the games odd silence on the matter until after everyone has bought their product.

[lost jackal]

I don’t exactly have a grind set up I just hop from each outpost where I know pheasants are around since it’s the easiest on Sal

[unborn shore]

That's what I've done as well

[unborn shore]

I mean, unless a bug is crippling the game (for example, if shooting a GO pheasant caused the game to crash), they aren't really obligated by any means to tell people. They also probably know that there will be backlash whether they say something or not

[winged temple]

Do you think people would not have bought the new map if it had been coded correctly to begin with ??? Or That EW deliberately wanted people to see the exploit In early acess so more people would buy the game???

[unborn shore]

you say something ahead of time:

• "wtf so the content creators got to have fun and they're gonna take it away from us, the devs hate fun"

you don't say anything:

• "wtf the devs hated seeing us getting GOs, they hate fun"

You kinda get the same situation either way

[rapid geode]

I wouldn’t have. But that’s just me. The bigger point is ew literally not saying a word about what they know they are going to change.

[unborn shore]

again, it's not common for dev teams to openly announce bugs to people unless they cause severe problems

[unborn shore]

also going back to this^

[rapid geode]

So you agree either way that people would be mad. Why not say something before so people don’t buy the map expecting to do what they have seen during the early access period.

[winged temple]

Well thats always been a fine line for developers to walk with regard to dealing with exploits ...

Do you talk about and risk everyone exploiting the game before you can fix it ... Or do you stay quiet .....

With tigers in Nepal that backfired on them .... They talked about a fix and everyone used the exploit to get their dime before the fix came in .....

[unborn shore]

If you say something before the release, you risk the chance of seeing a big hit in sales, especially since a good chunk of people got the reserve specifically for pheasants

[rapid geode]

So you want ew to basically exploit the consumer?? 🤣

[rapid geode]

The big difference with this is that the lake method wasn’t found during early access so people who bought the map weren’t expecting to do that when it came out. Unlike with the pheasant where it was found in early access and people would buy the map expecting to do it.

[unborn shore]

Absolutely not lmao, I'm not suggesting that at all. This is just an unavoidable scenario throughout gaming:

• people want rare thing
• people find exploit
• devs patch exploit
• people get mad and say the devs hate them

Almost every game I've played in recent times has had this happen before. Destiny 2, Path of Titans, I think Helldivers 2 might've had something like this, the list goes on

[unborn shore]

and then there's also this. Publicly acknowledge an exploit before it gets patched, and people will flock to it to use it

[rapid geode]

Personally id rather people get some virtual trophies before I take their money and change what they expected to get.

[winged temple]

So this question is theoretical .... But if EW was to offer a refund to anyone who said they bought the latest map because of what they saw in EA and now they dont want it any more >>>

I think it wouldn't affect sales hardly at all ..... people would still buy it for the foxes alone ....

[unborn shore]

It's not like they advertised Salzwiesen Park through that exploit though, so you can't really even get mad at EW for that. Content Creators brought it to light, people started doing it, this alerted the devs and they started working on a fix, and then they deployed it

[unborn shore]

Now, if they revealed it and it was advertised by having Jaxy or other team members use that exploit, then I'd get being more up-in-arms about it

But in this case it was by no means ever a promised feature by EW, it was purely founded by the community

[rapid geode]

really interesting how you can ignore the biggest living breathing advertisement… the content creators.

[unborn shore]

Content creators finding a bug and exploiting it ≠ EW making a promise on a feature

[unborn shore]

knowingly or unknowingly, it was exploiting something that was not working correctly

[winged temple]

EA began on the 29th then you had the weekend following that .... It would not surprise me at all if the devs did not know there was an exploit until the following Monday which was a day before release ....

[unborn shore]

and again, before you come at me for "going after grinders," I also took advantage of this, albeit in a different way. I'd run after pheasants (sometimes basically stepping on them) until they'd reach the treeline (often a stretch from where they were feeding)

[unborn shore]

i'm also, by definition, a grinder. i just dont use tents and tripods

[winged temple]

I have never hunted Pheasants in the game before this release an I knew there was a problem just from watching the CC's in EA

[rapid geode]

You’re acting like a full on update has to be made. All that has to happen is a simple statement regarding them. I get you guys don’t think that it’s a problem I just don’t think it’s right to use your biggest creators to advertise this even though it is a bug. Then change it after it gets released

[unborn shore]

they most likely wouldn't have been able to go through and watch every single cc's videos to verify they weren't exploiting any bugs before posting

Bugs get through, even after extensive testing. By the time content creators found it, it was just too late.

[winged temple]

Unfortunately this is the nature of game development today ... Things happen ... You want to minimize they as much as possible .... But when things arent working right they have to be fixed .....

arguments can be made that they should have made an announcement but also why it was handled the way that it was ...

[rapid geode]

Maybe look at one of the biggest if not the biggest cc scarecrow live streaming it lol

[winged temple]

A good example is the main menu bug/exploit that supposedly been around from the begining of time and it wasn't until Nepal that they finally told us it was a bug

but even still people are complaining that they fixed it ....

[unborn shore]

Again, by that point it's too late. People will have already found out about it. Say something and people will get mad bc "the content creators got to do it but they're gonna take it away from us." Say nothing and fix it and you get "the devs didn't like us having fun"

The best thing would be to more extensively test situations where we've seen exploits come up in the past. Check spooking behaviors, ensure the mechanics have in place aren't breaking on anything

Realistically no dev team can catch everything. But if people find a bug and it becomes widespread enough, this brings it up to the attention of the devs so that they can fix it

[rapid geode]

It’s not about the players hate it’s about the players money

[unborn shore]

Well you weren't falsely advertised to.

• EW never directly advertised this exploit themselves
• content creators finding an exploit isn't on the dev team

[unborn shore]

^pointing at this again

[winged temple]

I don't believe money had anything to do with it ... just like the "EW doesn't want us to have fun " or "they hate us "

They had a problem and they fixed it ... people wanted an easier grind and they were mad when that was taken away ....

[rapid geode]

You can act like scarecrow advertising it isnt apart of ew all you want but ig that is just where we disagree

[unborn shore]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree then. I've said everything I need to say and I have no interest in continuing this

[rapid geode]

Didn’t you say you agree with me that ew has a communication problem?

[winged temple]

Sure but it wasn't motivated by money ... they didn't not communicate because they were afraid of losing sales ....

They are just not good at communicating when they have an issue

[rapid geode]

I’m not saying it was. Your whole defense can’t just be “oh they’re not good at communicating so it’s not their fault” even if they didn’t mean for it to happen people paid for something that got changed after the fact.

[winged temple]

I never said they are not a fault ... They made a mistake in the coding of the new release which resulted in an exploit ... That's their fault .... so what do you do once you have a problem or make a mistake ???

You own up to it which they did eventually by releasing a patch ....

[winged temple]

Were they also at fault for not communicating earlier about the problem ? Probably another fault but neither one of those faults had anything to do with money or beingh afraid they would lose sales ....

That's what you seem to be implying

[rapid geode]

Doesn’t change that people spent money and aren’t getting it back

[winged temple]

as I said before they would have still bought the map for the foxes alone .... it wouldn't have affected sales ...

[rapid geode]

Dude the fox method wasn’t found until after the update came out 💀

[winged temple]

what fox method are you talking about ... am talking about the fox G1 ???

[rapid geode]

You can get g1 foxes on other maps lmao. And before you say the same for pheasant. The new map was the far best for pheasant

[winged temple]

I still say Money was not the reason why they didn't communicate and it was not the reason why they made the error in the first place ..... Sales would have been the same either way

No one was taken advantage of

Just as you were able to have an easier grind for a week before it was fixed ... other were able to exploit the pheasants in even less amount of time ....

[rapid geode]

Stop putting words in my mouth I never said they meant to. I’m only saying that it happened due to lack of communication

[winged temple]

Your words not mine

It’s not about the players hate it’s about the players money

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[rapid geode]

Dude I didn’t say they mean to I just said that it happened like that