Class 3-7 Update

[fresh raven]

Basically, we're tired of the Solokhin 7.62x54R being alone in it's class. It's a good gun and works beautifully but having literally one weapon in that category is boring.

Yes, we have the hudzik's 3-7 ammo type and the Moradi .44 lever action but they are both dlc and situational. I've seen tons of people interested in this idea so I'm going to list the calibers I see recommended for this most often.

BASE GAME

Huntsman .270 (all variants)
Whitlock .30-30

DLC

Martensson 6.5mm
Johansson .450

I'm not suggesting the Fors Elite .300 (7.62x35mm) for this class range as it's severely underpowered for the majority of class 6 and 7 animals.

[mint lake]

Agreed the 300blk/7.62x35 should really be a 2-6

[fresh raven]

I wanna add that the .270, .30-30, and 6.5mm all need a buff to be competitive with the Solokhin.

#1310818332487979008 to throw my own idea to the ring

#1284851877082824768

[mint lake]

Dang near all the guns need a redesign to make them seem correct. I’d also like to see stats that are correct and makes sense since 7.62x54r has equal stats to the 243 softs I believe but it does not at all perform like that.

[fresh raven]

Yeah, but classes really hold back how amazing they could be

[mint lake]

They really do especially .270 and 6.5 since they’re pretty common for taking what the game considers class 3 irl.

[quick cobalt]

I'm tryin boyz 😅 atleast the proposal was submitted for Ammo: Authentic Class Expansion. Its just a waiting game to see if they apply it. In the process I really hope additional feedback is applied to the update 🤞 🙏

[quick cobalt]

In the meantime, I do agree TLC is sorely needed on several calibers sooner than later to get us by atleast.

[fresh raven]

Bump,

[fresh raven]

Bump

[quick cobalt]

bump

[fresh raven]

Bump, adding more variety to the classes will only make the game more fun

[fresh raven]

Bump

[fresh raven]

Bump

[cosmic jungle]

I'd suggest a 200-grain .375 H&H for 3-6/7 since that loading is pretty much tailor made for plains game but I doubt it will ever happen since it'd make the .375 H&H the one gun to rule them all.

[languid geyser]

I'd personally rather go for a 235gr bullet but that's from a irl perspective.
I still think a compromise should be found and implemented so we can have versatile guns that live up to their revered irl capabilities while still being fun in game.

However if we look back to Hunter Classic, the 9.3x74R is basically the one gun to rule them all in that game and there's no issue with that there. Either way I hope the rifles in cotw are given a broader selection of ammo making them all capable, versatile and fun to use

[cursive solstice]

Until they won’t release bullet weight mechanics ingame, ANY discussion about classes attributed to each cartridge is pointless (but rare circumstances like .470 NE coming with a standard unique bullet weight). Anyway, check out the Moradi lever gun (based on Marlin 1894 SBL) in .44 Mag, covers classes 3-8 ingame.

[fresh raven]

Classes, both for weapons and animals, are one of the biggest problems this game has. It severely needs an Overhaul, from the ground up

[languid geyser]

100% agree
even hunter classic's ancient system is arguably better

[fresh raven]

A less restrictive system would make the game more versatile with anything they add.

Let's say with Roe deer, minimum caliber is .243, so .22H, .223, .22-250, and .birdshot is a fail on the harvest check.

For a penalty for overpowered ammo, Let's say you get 700 credits and taxidermy costs 2k for Roe deer. You use anything between .243 and .30 caliber (.303,.308, .30-06, 7mm, 7.62x35, and .300 Mag) is the maximum. You use a .338 the deer is 350 credits or 4k to taxidermy. There's a penalty, but it's not so terrible that you wouldn't take one with a .338 if you wanted the trophy bad enough or if you were just having fun

[languid geyser]

ja that's what i was thinking as well, a monetary penalty or even a XP penalty but its still possible to play with whatever you want and have a good time

[fresh raven]

Bump

[fresh raven]

Bump

[hollow roost]

I would like more expansion for 270, but 6.5 really needs to 3-7. 243 needs to 3-6 because IRL nobody hunt fox and coyote with it.

[quick cobalt]

not true its another good option for coyotes & fox before I started using my .308 with 110gr varmageddons. Also .243 has many factory ammo options for < 50lb game as small as prairie dogs. However I'm not against .243 being 2-5 over the 2-6 being most factory ammo isn't rated for above 300lb game. Though options are available to hunt slightly larger game. 6.5 would be ideal given its current performance not knowing its true caliber as 6.5mm is to vague to determine its authentic game scale. As for class expansion I'm working on it via through the team & community for all calibers.

[hollow roost]

I meant 243 in the average form what we see in the game. It's clear what IRL many calibers give a lot of possibilities in grains. For 2 class we have enough good rifles without 243. For 3 class we have only one powerful one and for long distance. (Solokhin)

[hard tinsel]

Hello @fresh raven!

Thank you for your class 3-7 update suggestion. We will make sure to take it into consideration.

If you feel like there is anything else you'd like to add, feel free to do so here: https://support.thehunter.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[fresh raven]

Here's hoping, the class system desperately needs changes

[quick cobalt]

🎉

[quick cobalt]

I use the .243 rifle-pistol over the rifle bc the rifle doesn't feel great in-game. However I do feel it should be a 2-5 in general along with the 7.62x35, 22-250, .45 PCP, .45 colt, 10mm, & .357. Wolves being C:6 is not enough of a justification to be C:6 when wolves should be C:4

[hollow roost]

I would like to do the opposite. Buff 243 to 3-6 class and do polymer ammo 30-6.

[runic niche]

Oh yeah 100%. The pistol feels like it packs a hefty punch

[quick cobalt]

why would you want to class up the .243 when its authentically not rated for class 6 game & class 2 is technically supposed to be 10-30lb game & Class 3 30-50lb game? Only reason its upto Class 6 is bc wolves are Class 6 when wolves should be Class 4. Though I will agree many calibers need buffed in general or huntable game needs nerfed instead of wearing body armor.

[quick cobalt]

It shouldn't be. They should perform identically just with a lower zero range due to having a shorter barrel. Even Jaxy made a point explaining the possible differences when we were voting on the community pack with the various options, however he didn't give specifics, it was speculations 🧐

[hollow roost]

Because we have 223, 22.5, 22h and I don't see any point in it for 243. I hunt wolfes with 454.

[quick cobalt]

#1309326894684180560 message they should remain authentic & I'm not opposed to more options to hunt multiple game. However to each their own, but I dont see EW justifying classing up .243 when its intended for < 50lb game up to 300lb game (2-5) since C:1 is dedicated to birds & hares which is suitable for Blue Arrows, 22LR, 22H, Birdshot, while C:2-3 cover the remaining Small Game 10-50lbs. C: 4-5 covers Medium Game from 50-300lb, 6-8 covers Large Game 300-1500lb, while 9 Dangerous Game. Though we can all agree EW messed up breaking down Game into the wrong Classes. Though you are correct 223, 22.250, & 22H are small game calibers. But @fresh raven & others will agree .243 is a sm-med game caliber. Even by your logic of .243 being a 3-6 you forgot to mention 30-30 that is currently 2-6 when it should be 3-8 being its rated for 50lb-1500lb game not 10-30lb C:2 game. The 300blk being 3-6 is ridiculous bc its a 2-5 (sm-med Game) Caliber rated to hunt game < 50lbs-300lb game.

[quick cobalt]

For the record I'm not trying to argue or have a big debate with you about it 😄 I'm just making a point that calibers & ammo options is sorely needed as the next big update esp. after EW applied more authentic features. Me & others are pushing hard bc EW is switching gears to further expand their game from release now that they are getting the hang of their engine as we've seen from reserve detail, game reworks, ai behavior, & our equipment from the Fox Pro & optics. Its been 8yrs its time for our calibers & ammo to get an update not to mention most calibers should have the same effect as the 375 in terms of tracking distance as well as dropping game nearly instantly. If both ammo options are to remain as fixed class ranges then they need to be expanded to their full game coverage. For immersion I proposed 2 ammo options 1st tier covers the low authentic range & the 2nd tier covers the high authentic range that all calibers are rated for similar to the Hudzik. And I'm shocked EW didn't apply it when they released the Hudzik, esp with bows & shotguns having various ammo options to hunt various game.

[hollow roost]

The devs have humiliated 30-30 so much that there are no words.

[jaunty mauve]

The .270 would be a nice class 3-7 rifle

[quick cobalt]

😓 sadly related to my point Huntable Game & Reserves have been a huge focus for a long while now & alot of us feel it's about time EW switches gears and focuses on our equipment & calibers. Not to mention "as it was brought to my attention" the reload animation needs TLC when swapping ammo on the internal mag rifles & pump shotguns as well as reload animations at the ranges.

[runic niche]

Honestly, if the summer 2025 reserve is what I think it is… I’d be perfectly fine with them taking a backseat on reserves for 2026 and redoing the weapons that need it as you’ve elegantly described.

[quick cobalt]

That would be ideal. It would be a bonus if they also added attachment slots as well. EW isn't known to do updates all that often except hotfixes on occasion. Even Jaxy has said they won't do patches unless it's a big update. So, I don't see the harm of them working on these in the back scenes to work out the kinks before officially applying it to the core coding on all the platforms & they might be already. Even so I'd like to make sure they have everything in the open for them to consider doing so.

[distant blade]

The 6.5 especially would benefit from the class change. It's just not powerful enough to feasibly take Class 8 animals

[quick cobalt]

It doesn't help its listed as 6.5mm. Its too vague to determine which 6.5 it is. Most think its a Creed however the ammo model closely resembles 6.5x55 & the rifle model resembles the Bergara. Though given the reserve for the Rayo unlock it would make sense being a Swede but it defn. Doesn't perform like it & I highly doubt its a 6.5x68 either.

[runic niche]

Hell, they could probably have it still cover 8 if they clarify it’s the virtual equivalent of PRC.

[quick cobalt]

Yea with a buff it could but I still wish it specified what 6.5 it is. I also agree with Huxley on a different thread that the ammo art had more character & depth.

[fresh raven]

Bumping this, just because it's still a needed change

[fresh raven]

Bump

[fresh raven]

Bump

[hollow roost]

6.5 to 3-7 class plus a GO feral goat. All will be happy.

[fresh raven]

I've changed my mind about the 6.5, I'm now suggesting it be a 2-7.