Make the Fors Elite .300 a 2-5

[tidal laurel]

After watching a couple of videos on the new weapon pack I've noticed even the CC's aren't incredibly impressed with it.

It seems to work just fine but class 5 game is on the high side for it, so please.

Swap it to 2-5 and let it fill.a niche that there's no rifle for. It would be much more useful if it was actually competing with the .243 (at this point why would I use anything other than the .243 for classes 2-6?)

#1308495005350101094

[vital thicket]

Match .243 = (2-6) 200%

[proper sparrow]

Jaxy mentioned on stream that it'd compete with the .243, but the mere fact that it can't ethically hunt class 2 animals means it doesn't compete with the .243 in the slightest.

[tidal laurel]

Did some testing, .243 is better on class 5,6 than the .30-30 (should be opposite) and miles better than what the .blackout did on Flinter's video

[proper sparrow]

Couldn't imagine shooting a red deer with the .300blk with how horrible the .243 does on them

[tidal laurel]

Can't see using the .300blk, I want the .375 mainly

They basically gave us a remodeled docent covering the wrong classes, 6 round mag and all

[proper sparrow]

.243 handgun will basically always be my class 2-3 weapon. I was hoping the .300blk would replace it

The .375 is gonna replace the .300 canning in all of my loadouts though

[fickle thunder]

"Take on the biggest game" barely takes down a caribou

[tidal laurel]

Everyone who voted for it will feel cheated AF

Could have had a .350 Legend to be 2-6 and been perfect

[vital thicket]

@tidal laurel I would agree with you with 2-5 only if wolves (C:6) were bumped to C:5 as they should be but again it would've been better to be around 243's range. As @proper sparrow said "Red Deer" w/ 220gr the 300blk could within 125yds effectively. But there is other calibers I'd rather use like the 375 for 6-9! Hopefully they changed it if not well....I'll be getting alot of failed harvest checks since class locks prevent authentic use 😮‍💨.

[proper sparrow]

I do believe the .375 should be classes 6-9 as it's known for it's versatility IRL and I wanna hunt gemsbok and wildebeest with it

[vital thicket]

for me I could rp sim my bucketlist Yukon hunt

[proven harbor]

I actually do like the Fors Elite. It looks really good, sounds really good, and seems to do well on class 3 and 4 animals. If it was a class 2 - 5 (as it should be since it’s really only used on animals as big as Hogs irl), it would be so much better.

[proper sparrow]

It's not a bad gun, it fits it's niche fairly well, but not being able to hunt class 2 bumps it down for me

[vital thicket]

I love the 300blk irl and it is a varmint to medium game caliber. And yes it can hunt fox & coyotes with 110gr. I know bc I use the same bullet in my .308 on them so for it to exclude C:2 Game Fox, Coyotes, Jackels, & Bobcat is beyond disappointing. 3-6 class🤨 makes no sense?! 2-5 would be accurate & authentic or make it a 2-6 to match the 243. Not to mention its real bad taste if we cant use our new pack on a new reserve released the same day.

300blk: 2-5 or 2-6 / 450BM: 3-7 / 375H&H: 6-9 = 👌perfect & ☮️ with the community.

[tidal laurel]

I made the connection today and honestly I can't not compare it to the .223 docent.

6 rounds, small to medium game, iron sights meant for fast shots. I just can't understand why they chose 3-6. It could have been a monster 2-4, or a good 2-6.

The .300blk has 300 pounds less energy than a .30-30 with almost any load but for some reason it can't take class 2 while the .30-30 can?

[fickle thunder]

I would've liked it as a 2-5 as it would give a break to my .22-250

[vital thicket]

30-30 should be a 3-7. Hornady's ammo is rated for 50-1500lb Game with 140gr. While the 300blk Hornady 135gr is <50/50-300lb game 😂 I cant make sense of it being 3-6 either when it should be 2-5 at the least if not 2-6 just bc of wolves.

Theres no way you can tell me a 300blk isnt ethical to take "C2 Game:" - Raccoon Dog, Coyote, Side-striped Jackal, Gray Fox, Red Fox, Tibetan Fox, Common Raccoon, Bobcat, Mexican Bobcat esp. when EW's: 30-30 & 243 are 2-6?!

[tidal laurel]

There's no way you can convince me that coyotes belong in class 2 either. They're much bigger than the game shows

[vital thicket]

Believe me alot of these should be C:3 - Coyote, Bobcat, Mexican Bobcat, & Jackels (Borderline)

[tidal laurel]

Yep, classes are a lot messed up unfortunately

[vital thicket]

I agree with ya there esp. when pronghorn got bumped down to a 3 when it clearly is a 4 🤣

If they update them to C:3 with this expansion & adjust caliber class range I would have a shot of whiskey to celebrate. Atleast then it could be justified. But it still needs to be 2-5/2-6 not 3-6.

[vital thicket]

200m max zero instead of 300m, & reclassed to a 2-5. If it gets buffed I'll settle for 2-6 bc it needs more umph if its going to cover C:6. As it is now it feels exactly like the 223 classed at 3-6 with faster follow ups & stability. The 7.62x35 (300blk) is known to be a heavy hitter to small-medium game within 150m. The caliber itself is most effective at 220yds/201m & under on Game IRL. Add some volume to the audio instead of a snap. Its a 16in barrel it should have a bit more boom & character to make it at least feel like it hits hard. As of right now I literally feel like I'm using a different .223 😓 I do like the Fors Elite but it needs some TLC an touched up to be where it should be. Overall it does fine on C:3-5 game. I dont recommend using it on C:6 game as it is now or try to use it passed 200m. 300m is like throwing pebbles at Game.

[vital thicket]

☝edit: 50-100-250m zero C:2-5/ If 2-6: 50-100-250m zero with a buff for C:6

[pallid grotto]

The online ammo comparison sites I checked are telling me that .300 Blackout is less powerful than .243. (Correct me if this is wrong, please.) So I'm of the same opinion as OP: the .300 Blackout should cover class 2 in game.

[tidal laurel]

It is, .300blk was designed for primates in a building, not deer in the forest

[vital thicket]

@pallid grotto So Idk if anyone else did service or not but the 300blk was originally designed to be a heavy hitting CQ weapon for breach & clear operations. Most well known weapon was the "Honey Badger" suppressed. It was also comparable to the 7.62x39 in terms of stopping power. Make no mistake its powerful within 200m. However public use found it to be extremely useful for coyotes & pigs as well as target shooting. Its known to hit targets at 460m/500yds on paper. However for hunting its effective range on game is 200m/220yds & under. It was never altered or redesigned to hunt Game in CotW's Class: 6. Only reason it is, is bc wolves are class 6 & no other reason. 2-5: < 50-300lbs at 200m & under is authentic. Zero should be 50-100-250m if not to follow other caliber zero ranges 50-100-200m. Again its not a long range caliber & was only intended for Short-Medium Range on Small-Medium Game!

[tidal laurel]

Bump, for common sense

[narrow oracle]

it makes my brain hurt that a common American ranch gun popular for use on coyotes and bobcats cannot be used on coyotes and bobcats

[tidal laurel]

I spent some time shooting one over the weekend, not a mule deer gun

[narrow oracle]

agreed; 2-5 mainly makes sense for it for hogs since it is fairly popular for killing ferals down in texas, would never use it on a muley though (they really should move back up to class 6)

[vital thicket]

Thats where I have an issue mule & whitetail shouldn't be separate classes. I cant say anything about blacktail bc I've never hunted them but from my experience with mule & whitetail they are hardly apart from each other, outside of behavior and region. Sure mule can get bigger but overall they go down just as easily as the other.

Never had a time where one was more difficult than the other esp. with various calibers. In thiis case the 300blk has a range disadvantage over the takedown is I guess my point here.

[narrow oracle]

are you referring to IRL hunting experience on muleys and whitetails?

[vital thicket]

Yes IRL, however in-game I dont see or feel a difference between the 2

[sweet jackal]

I was surprised they didn't limit the effective range on the 300 BLK to something like Moradi or Whitlock - it's good though

[narrow oracle]

Ah, that makes sense.

Personally I see them more as class 6 given the weight range they've been given in-game as well as the fact that they're based off central and northern rocky mountain and great plains mule deer like the ones I see here in Colorado and into Wyoming/Montana.

Here the average whitetail buck is about 170-180lbs at 4yrs while mule deer generally sit around 220-230 at the same age. At peak size when they're 6-7 years the whitetail sit around 210-230 as their heaviest summer weight while mule deer are around about 100lbs heavier at 330-340. Some of the well-fed dominant bucks approach or exceed 400lbs.

They're quite fat deer and are about at the upper limit of what people take with .243 in CO and WY, which in the context of the game's class system would make them a good candidate for class 6.

Edit: typos (i'm bad with numbers on my laptop)

[vital thicket]

it'll take mutjuc C:2 at 340m which I think is overkill on effective range.

[vital thicket]

I dont disagree by that perspective even so by that logic technically whitetail would be high 4-low 5 where mule would be high 5-low 6. Idk I try to ignore the class mechanic bc my actual experiences kick in & my head hurts trying to sort it out bc it doesn't make sense on alot of Game being where they are in-game to where they actually are IRL 🤣😅

[narrow oracle]

yeah the class systems really do not make sense lmao, whitetails in this game are based of the large rocky mtn and great plains population as well (which is why they're so damn fat) and really should be class 5 with muleys in 6 but the whole system is wack

[tidal laurel]

Well, I spent a good six or eight hours tracking a mule deer buck wounded with a .300blk yesterday. We finally caught up to it and was barely hurt, just walking stiff legged

[narrow oracle]

damn, IRL hunt?

[vital thicket]

gr, weapon, range?

[narrow oracle]

Muleys can be remarkably tough so I wonder if the load was too weak

There was an old greyed out buck that i saw a few times chilling around hiking trails in Rocky Mountain National Park as a kid that had an obvious healed over entrance and exit wound from what seemed like a .30-06. No idea how that thing survived since it had to have punctured both lungs.

If that buck took what looked like a 180gr softpoint straight to the chest as well as it did then I'd imagine a 130gr softpoint with around 40% of the muzzle energy out of a .300 AAC would have even more trouble.

[vital thicket]

Well they do say if your shot your more likely to live with it going clean through. I dont see where that logic couldn't apply on most living things. But range n bullet play a big factor in this case.

Factories are light. Me personally within 150yds use 190gr or 220g I never try to reach passed that with 300blk.

[sweet jackal]

The bullet should get trapped in the hide on the exit side for maximum energy transfer

[vital thicket]

yotes, fox, bobcat yea factory seems to work well. I dont need 220gr make vermin participate in the Olympics 😅

Did that once nvr again. It was like it got hit by a truck and flew a few yards granted I hit the shoulder within 100yds. It wasn't the reaction I expected. Expected it to drop where it stood not tumble.

But the point stands its intended for yotes & pigs

[tidal laurel]

Yep, sorry, I was in the store getting some groceries

@vital thicket 220gr, AR, and he claimed 100 on the dot, I wasn't there when he took the shot tho so no way to be sure.

Bullet barely mushroomed and was stuck between 2 ribs just behinthe shoulder crease, high shot, seems like he stiffened but he could have definitely walked it off. Didn't pierce the chest cavity

Weight was just shy of 250, 4 maybe 5 years old.

Side note, when we recovered the bullet the guy was so pissed off he chucked the rifle down a hill, took us a half hour to find it

[narrow oracle]

Lighter bullets like 110-125gr probably wouldve given an actually fatal hit given that they have much more energy but would have made it one hell of a tracking job.

At 100 yards .300AAC 220gr bullets give 495-515ft-lbs depending on the powder charge and barrel length.

I can't really blame the guy for throwing it down a hill tbh but I'd have personally preferred a bit more a judicious and controlled reaction with what was probably still a loaded rifle had I been there.

[vital thicket]

your good & weird. In my cases they damn near drop within 100yds. Were they barnes blk tips? Well....probably not those are usually 110gr on the shelves. I use Nosler through n through for years. Though I'll admit reloading 300blk is tricky. But factory has always done me justice.

I would use Hornady but surprisingly none of my rifles like them 😅

Also to note I used a bolt action. AR's can be fickle depending on the make & model. If its custom theres alot of factors including the gas block, barrel & twist rate.

[glacial hare]

I Haven't had problems against class 5-6 Animals with the Fors Elite, IDK What People Are Complaining About 😂

[vital thicket]

were mainly discussing IRL over the game version.

[glacial hare]

ah

[vital thicket]

Game wise should be 2-5 authentically but 2-6 bc of wolves. Axis is my issue 250m n above & other c6 game like red deer its not that great. Not saying it cant it just doesn't as well as EW likely intended. Besides its a yote to pig caliber & it does work on C5 pigs really well.

but thats why were upset about it bc its intended IRL use is for varmints & pigs and we should've been able to use it on the new reserve since fox, coyotes, & bobcats are C:2 Game. Otherwise its great for C:3-5 as is. C6 varies on the range used with PT's SP I think are useless on C:6 game aside from wolves.

[sweet jackal]

-Class 1: 22LR
-Class 2-3: 243
-Class 4-6: Johansson 450
-Class: 7-9: Vallgarda 375

[vital thicket]

your loadout I presume?

[sweet jackal]

Yes, that's the new one. 450 and 375 replaced the Olsson 308 and Canning 300, and saved weight

With the 450 and 375 weight, I can now carry the 243 instead of the 22-250 (for the power, but I prefer the 22-250)

[vital thicket]

nice. I typically run 1 rifle, sidearm, n if I'm feeling up to it my bow

[sweet jackal]

And I picture a knife in your teeth! 🤠

[narrow oracle]

Mountain man aesthetic

[vital thicket]

🤣 defn. would if I could honestly I wish they added that in the game. I miss the old huntin games that had a dressing kit n game bags.

[sweet jackal]

Jerimiah Johnson nodding in approval gif

[vital thicket]

I've been begging to get a Davi Crocket pelt outfit with the coon hat forever. I would never get another outfit if they did. Plus it would pair nicely with the Hudzik which I use alot along with the inline & gandhare. Bow wise I love the bow we got in the ambusher pack.

[narrow oracle]

Classic has an outfit that is pretty much exactly that description; I have always wanted it as well

[vital thicket]

The Stenberg thats a great bow

[vital thicket]

I cant play classic bc I dont have a pc. The one I have is a $200 cubical office tower so I can pay bills 😅

[tidal laurel]

I agree he screwed up, bad, but the gun was not loaded. Just a 2500$ custom build varmint popper he tried to make a general purpose gun.

@vital thicket funny, but he was using factory loads. We're working on the assumption that he got a bad cartridge. Maybe one that didn't get a full powder charge.

Regardless, I'd have expected better out of a 100yd broadside shot. But the bullet didn't expand and it makes me curious as to how it was so weak a hollowpoint failed

[vital thicket]

was it a match hollow?

[tidal laurel]

Had to look it up but apparently yes. Weird.

[vital thicket]

yea core types vary from company to company where they almost act like fmj and hardly crown unless they hit something hard like steel. I'm not sure why overall but 220 30cal bullets in general remind me alot like Hard cast bullets. I seen this with my 308 in the past. Its one of the reasons I switched to all copper bullets.

[tidal laurel]

No core tho, "solid copper" or so it says. I think there was a lot of poor decisions going on tbh

[vital thicket]

????yea if you can message me the brand n I'll look into it; you could be right on his end but I'm struggling to believe a 220 all copper performed that poorly at 100yds.

[sweet jackal]

This was one of my most fun days hunting in CotW - just me and my muzzleloader against the wild

[vital thicket]

🤣 yup thats pretty much how I hunt.

[tidal laurel]

I'm gonna double check with him and make sure I'm looking at the right ammo first, I must have something wrong

[vital thicket]

no you might not be n it is possible it was a dud cartridge. Thats why I stopped using Remington ammunition. I cant tell you the # of fails I had were it went click with no bang. But yea just when your able is fine no rush. But I do suggest trying Nosler in the future. 110gr are awesome for yotes and Ive had good luck with there 220's.

[tidal laurel]

I found it and the website makes me think we didn't have the whole story. Have you heard of Lehigh Defense?

[vital thicket]

briefly in passing

[tidal laurel]

I read about the bullet and now I'm thinking he clipped a branch or something and stopped the bullet from expanding. He might not be willing to test it tho

[vital thicket]

wait are these suppost to be the broadhead bullets that extract like a folded broadhead?!

[tidal laurel]

I don't know. . . They seem to be an identity crisis made of copper

[vital thicket]

watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZWzqTqZ4dc

[vital thicket]

pt.2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1cT8jakFnA

[tidal laurel]

Welp, I guess there goes my idea for why it failed

[vital thicket]

yyyyyyyyyyyea......................😅

[tidal laurel]

I guess it was a combination of things but this bullet seems like an absolutely abysmal choice

[vital thicket]

its designed for home defense not huntin, even then this round is a nightmare. It'll only expand in CQ situations not distance. However his barrel length & twist are also factors and is it suppressed or non-suppressed & gas block. Sry I'm getting into my smith habits again. (not certified fyi) I used to do alot of part builds and had a certified smith do machine work if needed.

[tidal laurel]

You can say that about this cartridge in general

OK, prove me right game. . .

Shot a fallow buck at 98 yards and had to trail it 580 yards

[vital thicket]

300blk deer, this is whats supposed to happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a3ogq3ph30 btw 168gr Lehigh Defense (according to the description)

[tidal laurel]

I think I'm gonna leave the blk in storage until we get a patch, I just got flesh on broadside shot at 100yds. . .

[vital thicket]

this is what happened to me with Axis deer passed 200m

[narrow oracle]

oh lord not the lehigh gimmick rounds

of all the things to pick for a mature mule deer, he wouldve had better luck putting a river cobble into a balearic sling and throwing it at the dang deer than use that absolute identity crisis of a bullet.

As much as I do not recommend .300AAC for anything heavier than 180lbs IRL, that is absolutely the guy's fault for choosing the worst possible ammo.

Gimmick stuff is never good for hunting, round nose softpoints have been king for most rifles for about 130 years for a reason, you can do more with less when it comes to bullets.

[tidal laurel]

"What if expandable broadhead.. .. but bullet?" Is not a question that needed to be asked

[narrow oracle]

Not ever in a million years should whatever that's supposed to be have been invented.

If he wanted expansion he shouldve bought some bog standard 120 to 130gr factory loads, softpoints or hollows, and it wouldve worked quite well.

Hell, from what you said his shot placement, had it gotten enough penetration, would slammed right through at least one lung and likely ruptured a pulmonary artery. It wouldve killed the deer, probably pretty quickly too, but itsead it just left him with a superficial wound and a slight stiff-legged limp.

[vital thicket]

300blk: Deer: 200yds actual loads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3oPpVlFgKQ&t=2s

[narrow oracle]

Hell of a gamble to aim for the Atlas bone in the neck on a semi-alert deer at 200 with a round that arcs like that.

Respect for hitting it in the first place, but goddamn that's a gamble.

[tidal laurel]

Worst part is, he had a .30-06 that was ready to go, he just chose the .300blk to save 1 extra pound of weight

[vital thicket]

my point I'm making here is its suppost to hit hard. When huxley told me his bud hit a deer at 100yds and got the details and evidence from the deer I couldn't wrap my head around it, that it performed that poorly. Given the ammo used it explains alot but these videos shows its true colors in person on what shouldve happend.

[narrow oracle]

yeah it can very evidently work quite well on game 200lbs and under as shown in those videos; personally im just astounded that even that lehigh ammo performed as poorly as it did

like I knew they were gimmicky and crappy but.... man....

[vital thicket]

Thats pretty bad but in truth had he had the proper ammo I doubt it wouldve been that bad

[narrow oracle]

bruh, one pound of weight savings was what encouraged him to take AAC over a ready -06 for the fourth largest extant deer species in North America?

It doesnt matter what calibers are being compared at this point who chooses one rifle over another over one pound.

[tidal laurel]

Note: I never said we were friends. I know him because he's my neighbor and we belong in the same gunclub. I imagine he's got a .300blackout up for sale right now given how pissed he was about it.

[narrow oracle]

It probably wouldve been a bit of a tracking job given the deer's body mass but it still would have been a fatal shot. Not sat down dead where it stands fatal but I doubt it would have run more than a couple hundred yards at most, probably a hell of a lot less given terrain.

Most difficult part wouldve probably been getting to its body without slipping and busting your ass regardless of how far it went.

[narrow oracle]

I wouldnt be shocked, that happens with a lot of rifles regardless of caliber. Somebody does something stupid with gimmick ammo and has a bad experience (because they mad a bad choice) then blames the gun and sells it to whoever.

Seen/heard a lot of .30-30s getting sold like that just because somebody who is basically in love with flat shooters like 6.5 Creedmoor gets one and is mad that they even have to consider holdover being a thing at 200 then they sell it without consideration. Not the same situation of course but comparable premise.

[tidal laurel]

He chose the one less pound for a three mile hike almost vertically up the draw we live in. If he'd taken the .30-06 it probably would have saved 7 to 8 hours tracking and trailing a pathetic blood trail

[narrow oracle]

Alternatively he would have had the same hike with maybe a 2hr track job counting waiting if he had actually chosen decent ammo.

Your neighbor makes bad choices ngl.

[vital thicket]

I doubt it would've made it that far. All the muley's I took in Sparks NE dropped where they stood using my 300blk with Nosler. The Gorge I hunted max range was 125yds give or take. I miss it dearly though. I'm down to 2 rifles now 😭

[tidal laurel]

Lmao that is exactly what got me my new .30-30. The guy said it was awful and sold it cheap to go back to his .300 Weatherby

[narrow oracle]

Okay so basically what we've established is .300 AAC works perfectly well as long as you 1. dont force it to work at beyond intended range and 2. dont use crappy gimmick ammo.

Also my condolences for your rifle and hunting location losses.

[sweet jackal]

A lot of times oddly placed shots like that were caused by hitting a twig and tumbling. Curves off target quickly, and leaves a keyhole going in.

[narrow oracle]

Wow, so he traded about $1.50 a cartridge that's perfectly usable at 90% of all common shooting distances while big game hunting for $3.80 to $6.20 a cartridge that is really just overqualified and lets you shoot at ranges where you're playing with fire as far as dispersion goes for the average shooter.

Sweet deal and glad you got it but my God, some people lmao.

[tidal laurel]

Yes, he owned this for 2 days lmfao

[vital thicket]

Thanks, but it needed to happen things got tight n my kids come first. But I built most of my rifles so, I can build them again if I want to. Besides theres alot more on the market these days to open my horizons to new stuff 😂

[narrow oracle]

Mother of God he gave up a- Is that a Marlin 336?

Did he really sell off a Marlin 336 after two days because he wasn't willing to learn a gun that fires a cartridge with a more exaggerated ballistic arc?

I mean with any modern .30-30 it's astounding but a Marlin?

[vital thicket]

your kidding!

[tidal laurel]

It's not a Marlin, sadly, but a Rossi R95. A dead on clone of the 336 that can run the same parts. Ironically it saved me from another 1200$ purchase

[narrow oracle]

Rossis are still great guns so I'm not sure if this makes his decision worse or better. Maybe it's just the same kind of stupid lmao.

Also nice, saving money is good.

[tidal laurel]

I have a 336 that I've had for so long I don't remember when it was bought, it's been worked over time, I recently took it back to basics to use on a trap line and planned to build a bolt action scout, now this thing is gonna be my new scout rifle

[vital thicket]

besides I'm looking to build a 300blk for 3 gun at some point. It's goin to be pretty nice.

[tidal laurel]

Omg I wish the .30-30 was 3-7 in this game, I'd love to use it for black bears like irl

[narrow oracle]

It really should be 3-7 or 3-8 as a base game companion to the Moradi .44 mag given that it's still used for moose in rural Canada IRL and was the most popular moose and grizzly cartridge for the average hunter in the US until surplus rimless .30 cals like -06 and .308 became popular and affordable to use in sporting rifles in the 1950s (about a 60 year run in the spotlight).

Plus all the sporterized and unsporter'd M1903s that were literally everywhere.

[vital thicket]

I do anyway

[narrow oracle]

The Rebel

[vital thicket]

I hate the class locks. I use calibers in game as I do IRL

[tidal laurel]

I actually a Krag .30-40 the other day, it had been absolutely butchered by at home smiting and sporterizing tho

[narrow oracle]

as someone who loves milsurps this causes me severe and extraordinary pain

Glad my Enfield never got chopped up and bubba'd by some dunce. Like I'm fine with simple furniture replacement for most of them, especially if the original wood is rotten, but I dont get drilling holes into a 100+ yr old gun to shove a scope onto it or cutting down the barrel to carbine length or sawing off the front post to replace it with a fiber optic post.

[tidal laurel]

They still wanted 1800 for it and the magazine had been literally sawed off the rifle and welded shut

[vital thicket]

I dont mind sporting a rifle if it needs it. I had to with my brothers 91/30 bc the stock was warped cracked & it shot left hard. After putting it in an archangel stock it shot tacs at 150yds.

[narrow oracle]

oh my God they ruined it

For context to anyone who doesnt know, the side protruding magazine is the sole way the gun is fed ammo, sawing it off makes it a single shot unless they take a dremel and saw to the reciever and forcibly cut it down to make it accept a mag from the underside with the new furniture

[narrow oracle]

This as well; fixing a running problem and making it work as a tac drive again is fine but literally cutting up the gun to make it "pretty" by some odd warped standard is just wack.

I'm also glad that 91/30 runs as well as it does, lots of folks get burred up hastily made midwar guns and assume they're all trash.

[tidal laurel]

They said and I'm quoting them "it was professionally done and the action is still totally sound"
The fact he said that when I was looking at the janky lines in the cut. Yeah nah

[narrow oracle]

Ah yes, the action is totally sound after a bad saw job likely left tens of thousands of stress induced microfractures in the chamber and probably warped the bolt tracks in some way. Not even gonna get into the reciever wall and barrel damage from that.

Huxley why are people like this 😭

[vital thicket]

oh no I love older arms I take care of anything I get or work on. Have a mauser recapture rechambered in 308 that needs love. Have a boyds thumbhole for it.

[tidal laurel]

Who knows, they also had a 10mm gatling gun in that store. A legitimate crank operated gatling gun. It was weird but they have super expensive high end stuff with the prices jacked up and "art" guns that are beyond stupid. If they let me take pictures I could show you guys a Chic-fil-AR

[narrow oracle]

I'm glad I'm not alone in actually having respect and care for old guns. We have to balance out the universe by countering the massacre of old milsurps 💀

[narrow oracle]

a Chic-fil-AR......

I am both terrified and interested. Please get pictures I want to see lol.

[vital thicket]

Lol yea my uncle got it awhile bk n never finished it b4 he passed so I decided to claim it n finish what he started. Fyi it was already rechambered way before we got it.

[tidal laurel]

It's hideously creative and I hate that I somewhat want it. But the shop refuses to allow pictures in the gun vault. Also, before you ask, it has 2 magazines painted to look like large waffle fries boxes and a chicken leg charging handle

[narrow oracle]

Rechamberings are cool, I've seen some WWI SMLE IIIs that had been rebored and has their magazine modified to shoot .410 shells. Worked extremely well and had the same reliable and fast action.

Rapid fire .410 lmao.

[narrow oracle]

Mother of God that sounds hilarious.

[tidal laurel]

The front sight is a fn chicken tender

[vital thicket]

🤣 I've seen some really funny builds over the years but thats hilarious. The image in my head screams McDonalds inspired. But to be fair it was a thing for awhile to make theme AR Builds that function over wall piece models. They were always range discussion starters. As absurd as it was they were fun to shoot with bc of how absurd they were. But for me I cant see myself doing anything like that. I'm a guy who buys/builds firearms if I have a use for them. Its like a lambo why buy something if I'm never going to use it. (yes I hate them) not useful & a waste of money, esp since I can spend 30k on a restore/rebuild & get way more use from it. My firearms follow the same logic. If market models dont suite my needs I build them instead. Like my Howa 1500 Axiom Custom. Paid $600 for it nvr been shot & put around $2400 into it with a travel case & attachments. Used it on hunts, comp, & a range toy playing battleship with friends at 400yds.

[vital thicket]

But yea I'm looking to build an 18in 300blk AR for comp. 223/5.56nato would be cheaper but I love how it shoots. If I can get the scratch n buckledown I'd get the stamp for an SBR instead but I intend to have it as a multi use with different uppers.

But I am more curious to see the LVRB in person and see what I can do with an AR Lever Lower.

[sweet jackal]

Anyone check out the fixed Odin on the Fors Elite? It seemed smaller than on other weapons, but today's Patch Notes said they had the Odin mounted too far forward, making it appear smaller

[vital thicket]

no I never noticed it.

Idk they did a patch, thought it was another week out from my understanding but I guess with the holiday coming they'd kick it out b4 hand.

[sweet jackal]

Yes, there was a 25 GB update pushed out this morning. Not everyone is happy with it - see the Winter Update channel.

[sweet jackal]

I took the Fors Elite out for a run on wolves the other day - I noticed the scope rim was smaller, not sure it mattered. But, I really like the snappy, accurate, fast-shooting of it and it does great against wolves. Wish it were 2-5.

[vital thicket]

@sweet jackal well if we keep pushing it it'll like get reclassed to 2-6. I seriously doubt they'll move wolves out of C:6 n make the FE 300 a 2-5 esp. after advertising it to be used on wolves.

[vital thicket]

Also I dont see why thiers an issue with the patch if pheasants finally spook its a good thing. I hated literaly kicking them n never fly.

[sweet jackal]

Yeah I was stepping on them too. I haven't been into the game yet today, but the complaints seem to be about the new spook radius, which might be as far out as 150-200m.

[vital thicket]

Ah

[narrow oracle]

as an update it seems ducks have been screwed up as well

golden eye spooking from a walking player at 180 meters

[vital thicket]

they always spook when I'm walkin but I hate waterfowl. Way too many in-game. I'd rather have more upland. But ok so the patch botched birds from what I'm hearing so stay away till a follow up patch 👌 got it. Well hopefully the FE 300 gets reclassed at the same time 🤞

[narrow oracle]

I would advise personally checking to see how you're birds work as it seems the changes are just really wonky but they're still huntable. Fast crouch walk gets you to 60ish yards then the pheasants go alert, with defensive by 50 yards. So they should still be huntable you just cant walk or run right up them, you (and your dog if you've got one) need to be sneakier.

Goldeneye and other ducks are spooking much farther from players outside blinds though, no news on inside blinds however.

It's not as bad as first interpreted but there seems to be a lot of PS players with sub 20fps framerate and XBOX players who cant launch after the patch. Again, not as severe as first believed but it's definitely caused some problems

[vital thicket]

I'm on Series X n I'v always had to creep to birds bc of quail even with the pointer b4 the patch. My only issue was I could jump on pheasant n literally surf on them n they wouldn't do anything. This was the same issue my wife n I had when Rancho released.

The dang pheasant nvr flew 😂

[narrow oracle]

Interesting, most of the folks I know had the pheasants spook and run a bit before hunkering (or hunker on the spot) with Salz's release while they'd flush when they closed within 10 yards of the hunkered bird.

This hotfix may have fixed that bug for you so it could be worth a shot. Oddly it seems birding is much more successful without a dog because pheasant and the like spook from way far when you have a dog.

[vital thicket]

see that's where it was opposite in my case with quail. But yea I'll give it a go n see how it goes.

I'll likely do a fox/yote hunt with the FE 300 later as well. Theirs way more coyotes on Rancho then before after the launch of SP. So I might have fun doing night hunts.

[tidal laurel]

So, I don't have an opinion on this update just because I don't care for birds in the slightest, but I do wish they'd addressed the weird classing of the FE and .450. They both feel weird

[halcyon hill]

300 blackout in this game has one big problem. Polymer tip ammo can't do "double lung" on 3-4(6) class. It's a bug. If not, then transfer it to 2-5 class.

[vital thicket]

Bump

[untold minnow]

bump

[vital thicket]

Bump

[vital thicket]

Bump

[modern vapor]

Should go down to 2-5 due to the fact it is so weak.

[tidal laurel]

It's a varmint round, specifically 2 legged varmints

[modern vapor]

It made not much sense, that the community requested the .300 blk so badly. I guess many of them just had some war game in mind... sorry to say so. Without a supressor it doesn't have a place in my cotw loadouts

[tidal laurel]

Yeah, the poll was dropped on a Steam free game weekend so there was a ton of people just trying it out who showed up to vote, I doubt 20% of them stuck around long enough to see it in game. Also, they probably saw YouTube videos and expected a suppressed AR. Then the next poll it was described as a 10 round magazine for about a day and a half before (CAPPED AT 6 ROUNDS) was added. It was just, very, badly handled.

A lot of people dislike it as is and I haven't seen anyone super impressed with it

[vital thicket]

I love the 300blk & I've been wanting them to add it for years but they dropped the ball having it 3-6. I was really looking fwd to using it as an alternative to the 22-250 game range as intended as a small - sm/med game caliber at C:2-5 😮‍💨 I'd even settle for 2-6 only bc wolves are C:6 for no other reason.

[tidal laurel]

7.62x35 as 2-5

.450 bm as 4-8

And .375 as 6-9 would have just made so much more sense

[turbid panther]

Hello @tidal laurel!

Thank you for sharing your suggestion about the Fors Elite rifle. We will take your idea into consideration.

If you have any other thoughts you'd like to share with us, feel free to do so here: https://support.thehunter.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[vital thicket]

🎉

[tidal laurel]

Interesting. . . Perhaps we'll make a difference here

[halcyon hill]

Mass stupidity because of which we will never have a 350 legend.

[vale coyote]

Bump on this, love my Ranger, but it gets tiring seeing the RANGE of options for other classes (and having a few of these just stop in roe deer)

[tidal laurel]

So, I spent a while testing class 5 and 6 animals with the .300blk. It did not impress. Even slightly. Several times I had to swap to a different caliber to stop the animal so I could see how it did

[vale coyote]

I was honestly kinda hopeful for it, but its just so underwhelming 😦

[devout orbit]

I do want to try it out on pigs one of these days

[vale coyote]

it sucks ass 😦 at least it does for wild boars, had a shot just kinda stop right before piercing a lung... ill grant that could be a rib shot (not that COTW has those), but still >.>

honestly kinda hurt that the community hasn't raised as big a stink with this (moderation enforced) 'poopoo gun' as it did the Gandhar, but i guess that was a map weapon >.<

[devout orbit]

I mean, I never expected .300BLK to be some kind of super mega good round

And EW made the famously underpowered .577/450 ** extremely powerful**

[narrow oracle]

Meanwhile, .45-70, which historically blew .577/450 out of the water power wise and has been a famous large game cartridge since the 1870s is anemic and weak.

[devout orbit]

EXPANSIVE WORLDS!!!

.45-70 Brass Solid

Class 8-10

a whopping 458 grains!

[tidal laurel]

Yup, realistic power scaling is out the windo

[devout orbit]

Let us not forget the almost treasonous amount of power .300WM has for some reason

[tidal laurel]

.30-06, .300wm, and .308 are the most generally useful "put food on the table" calibers in America, how they screwed up the .300 as a dangerous game rifle is beyond me

[vital thicket]

works great if you use polymers though I wouldn't recommend anything passed 200m even though it zeros 300m I had nothing but bad results at that distance and its useless on class 6 game except wolves. The SP's do nothing on game esp. on Eurasian lynx which really broke my heart.

but I will say this it knocks musk deer like a bad habit 😂 at least this has been my expierence with it. I love it I truly do but it is under powered & should be 2-5 with wolves minimum reclassed to C:5 even though authentically they are a C:4.

[glass bramble]

It just a buffed 30-30 the real difference is the bullet size and speed it only a 100fps faster but is a 7.62 bullet no different then a 30-06 in size and a 30-30 in power 2-6 would be better then 2-5

[tidal laurel]

Lmfao, you sure? Because I tested both and the the .300blk was about 300 fps short of the .30-30 everywhere

[glass bramble]

Look at a ballistic chart 150 300blk and 150 30-30 are similar it’s no different the a 45acp 300blk is a natural sub sonic round so its more prone to be slower the most bottle neck rounds I don’t see a problem with it being 3-6 or 2-6

[tidal laurel]

Except it doesn't work on class 6 and struggles with 4 and 5.
Irl I've helped track down a mule deer shot with a .300blk, the owner sold it right after.

The blk wasn't designed to hunt, it was a cqb cartridge that worked well in a suppressed rifle with a short barrel. It's good for coyotes and pigs but I honestly would trust it with anything larger than a whitetail

[glass bramble]

That only problem with 300blk it’s a short range round vs 30-30 with can go the distance

[tidal laurel]

Yeah. . .but they kneecapped the .30-30 and. 45-70 both aside from nerfing them to death at scoring 2.0 and never fixing them

[glass bramble]

Yeah and 45-70 Isn’t a bottle necked round like they show

[tidal laurel]

Again, I shill

#1329169070754369598

[glass bramble]

Also in irl my buddy shot a mouflon with a 300blk and it when 56yrd but he was 100-120 yards away but yeah a 8.6blk would be better

[tidal laurel]

We tracked the mule deer almost 5 miles iirc but the bullet failed to get past the ribs so it practically walked it off

[glass bramble]

A friend of my dad uses a 300blk for mules but he treats it like a Handgun nothing less then 75yrds but he’s in a birch thicket

[tidal laurel]

It'll do fine if you're close and using a good bullet, but it's just not meant to shoot far

[glass bramble]

I just say the range needs fix but my problem is the 450 bushmaster they murdered it the pen is ok but the hole thing is a smaller 45-70

[tidal laurel]

I'm not posting this to make fun of anyone but I'd like to point out the Fors Elite needs to be renamed as well, it's confusing people who don't know much about firearms

[glass bramble]

lol yeah I seen that

But my post is new smaller guns they are 220 swift and 25-20 but I’d like a 8.6blk or a 6.5-300 mag but yeah there needs to be more small game rifles but still plenty of big bore rifles as well

[tidal laurel]

Were kinda at a point in the game where we have enough mid range weapons. We need stuff to cover classes 2-5 and 6-9 respectively, enough with the 4-8 for a while

[devout orbit]

I think it’s fine. Could kick a tad harder recoil wise

[glass bramble]

The class range is the only problem

[devout orbit]

It’s not even particularly bad performance wise and neither is the class range

[vital thicket]

The SP's need a buff along with the reclass. Its driving me nuts I'm getting flesh hits at 50yds with SP's on Eurasian Lynx but knock'em over with PT's at the same distance.

[glass bramble]

We’re talking about the 450 not the 300blk

[vital thicket]

Ah I assumed when I read the range fix was implied to the 300blk, the 450BM I think could use alittle more umph and 3-7 otherwise I'm pretty happy with it. I alter between 450BM, .308 & 7.62x54R on alot of my hunts in-game.

[glass bramble]

I’d be happy with 4-8 it’s rather large for things like roe deer it a .45 caliber so it’s to much but the depth on how the bullet is ok could’ve been better but it more a 4-8 weapon it’s big enough to smash grizzly ribs irl and has

[tidal laurel]

.45 Colt is 2-5, the only difference is powder behind it

[glass bramble]

Yeah it’s slower so it makes sense

[tidal laurel]

Same bullet diameter though, going faster just means it can reach farther and still be effective

[glass bramble]

Well a 45 colt is not going to blow a half dollar size hole through a dog size deer I’ve seen it blow coyotes in half

[tidal laurel]

Nothing in this game is as effective as it's RL counterpart. Calibers are restricted in ways that no one IRL would even care about. I don't see much difference in the .450bm and a .45 colt fmj in game.

[glass bramble]

450 has 65grains of powdered vs a 45colt with 40 grain but I thing the 270 should be 3-8 or even the 6.5

[tidal laurel]

#1314906125698601000 idea was to swap some things around to make them usable on game they are used for irl but don't really get any use for in game.

In game what does the powder matter when the only thing they care about is the bullet?

[glass bramble]

Yeah devs don’t do to much research on the rounds themselves

[tidal laurel]

I think the .300blk is just conflicting information and an identity crisis of a weapon that's just not fun to use and the .450s random classes are weird and screaming "I wanna be different" bit not really doing anything to back it up.

It's like grandpa .375 knows exactly who he is and what he's good at, son .450 who's trying to get his life together and neither here nor there, and grandson .300 the angsty teen who's got delusions of grandure.

Weird weapon pack analogy but I feel like it makes sense

[glass bramble]

Yeah you hit the nail on the head with this

[vital thicket]

After going back and looking at the ammo available its actually a 3-8 caliber - 450BM

[glass bramble]

What the 450 or what gun

What makes you say that ?

[vital thicket]

450BM ammo on the low end is rated for 50-300lb game C:3-5 game. Next size up is 50-1500lb game C:3-8

[glass bramble]

It made for 100-1000 pound game but yeah there’s nothing irl stopping you from blowing apart a roe with a 450 but 450 is made for dangerous game hunting I’d say it’s to much for roe

[vital thicket]

Its not blowing them apart idk what why you'd think that.

[glass bramble]

It literally a .5 smaller 45-70

Case length

[vital thicket]

I've used the 450BM and it doesn't blow game apart so Idk why you think it does.

[glass bramble]

It blows apart coyotes I said not all game but roe are similar to a whitetail yearling yeah it works but a little over kill on full grown deer it’s perfect

[vital thicket]

its Still rated to hunt them. Coyotes vary in size here 40-65lbs avg. And the 450 isn't a cannon unless you use the bigger load.

[glass bramble]

I wouldn’t use it to much meat lose but you do you

[vital thicket]

if you used the bigger load on them I would agree with you.

this is the issue I have with caliber ammo in cotw is bc they have no ammo options or g/grain weight to clarify its game range

[glass bramble]

Most Europe hunters us 270 or 308 it’s the BULLET size that’s the problem the smallest for 450 is 165grains

[vital thicket]

if it was overall from low to high authentically, they need to revisit every caliber or add ammo options to hunt various game as they did with the Hudzik, Bow, & Shotguns.

[vital thicket]

& you think thats too big is wild to me. Hornady's 245gr is our factory here rated for 50-300lb game now coyotes yes I can say it is a bit much but on whitetail at 100-180lbs its clean. If you have factory 165gr 450BM ammo in EU I'd love to use it

[glass bramble]

As someone that has seen one of these and asked European hunters on what the best is for these animals they in there opinions say it’s to much and I’d agree because in Europe they give the game to restaurants and markets to sell the cuts that the hunters don’t want or donate

[vital thicket]

By that logic 300wm would be too much & yet it isn't. But I'm not implying there isn't better options I'll never argue that however regardless how I feel about it or my opinion I go off of ammo ratings for appropriate game is my point. Do I use 300wm on deer no but do other ppl yes. It depends on the load not the caliber.

take 308 for example it can range 110gr -220gr fox to moose

[glass bramble]

300wm is fine due to the bullet size is a 7.62 bullet in a big case it’s no different then 6.5-300 win mag it’s a fast bullet but it’s small

[vital thicket]

45 cal isn't much different in the general sense if your using that logic. Blackpowder 45 does well on coyotes, same with 45-70 with lighter loads so I dont see your point. If the load is hot intended for larger game 200% its overkill.

[glass bramble]

How long have you been hunting

[vital thicket]

30yrs

I've hunted furbearers up to moose including various predator hunts except grizzly.

[glass bramble]

Ok thought I’d ask but roe are 70-80 lbs

[vital thicket]

I also reload as well as shoot competition if you must know

I'm aware there smaller I've watched several roe hunts & EU hunts. I've also seen multiple calibers used some on several game & to be honest some I think are overkill but they dont seem to agree. One ex. I watched a roe hunt & fox hunt with the 6.5X68. Even though it was a 6.5 bullet caliber it blew up a fox and its claimed to hunt Fox up to moose thats 1 EU caliber of many.

With that said idk what load was used but I'm not doubting it is rated to hunt that game range with the right loads bc the correct load makes alot of difference including bullet type.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2M05AYA7aI & 450 did fine with coyote from likely using 245gr interlocks or 250gr FTX from Hornady.

[vital thicket]

As far as I'm concerned to ea. their own I'm not going to tell ppl what to hunt with or what they can hunt with it. My preference will vary from someone elses. But in-game the 450 performs alot like the 7.62x54R & under the .308. Authentically in the US the 450BM is used for coyote up to elk & in some cases moose, this includes bear however I've yet to hear or see it used on Grizzly so I cant confirm it at this time. And imho it should be a 3-8 given its ammo rating & uses in the field. Which brings me back to the 300blk & thread topic. 300blk (7.62x35) is rated to hunt < 50lb -300lb game (C:2-5) & its often used on foxes, coyotes & boar & in other cases deer at 220yds effectively even though on a paper target its able to touch at 550yds (Dont ever try to take game with this caliber passed 220yds irl). In-game it should also get re-zeroed to 50 - 100 - 250m (54 - 109 - 273yds)

[vital thicket]

Not to mention SP's need more umph than they do I shouldnt be getting Flesh hits on Eurasian Lynx at 50yds while PT's go through.

[tidal laurel]

Neither of which we can use for class 3 according to the game logic

[vital thicket]

You have a valid point. Esp. the 270 that has a roe on the engraving.

[tidal laurel]

OK. So. . .

.270 is one of the most commonly used as calibers for hunting roe deer, pronghorn antelope, and springbok.

.300 blackout is incredibly popular as a coyote hunting round.

.375 is used for larger plains game like gemsbok and wildebeest regularly

.450bm is popular for hunting feral pigs from 20 pounds to 400 pounds.

.300 WM is the most popular mule deer rifle in the Western US

.338 is a close second to the .300 using 180 grain bullets

10mm is a recognized bear defense round

.30-30 Winchster has several record size black bears in the record books

None of these are appropriate for these animals according to the game's logic

[vital thicket]

well put

[tidal laurel]

Yeah, I don't understand this

[vital thicket]

Neither do I which is why I dont care if I fail harvest checks by game logic bc its not what they should be.

[glass bramble]

Yeah non of the class ranges make sense on most guns

[vital thicket]

Same can be said for game as well unfortunately.

[glass bramble]

Coyote needs a buff most guns need lower classes and some animals need class changes like the sika and some maps need a filler

[tidal laurel]

Oh yeah, .22-250 (I was recently informed) is the ultimate wolf hunting cartridge as it doesn't damage the pelt and it has more than enough "wallop to put that f***r on his as)

[glass bramble]

Yeah it’s just heavy enough to go in expand and punch the organs and lights out

[vital thicket]

I broke it down in my games 1-9 thread on how EW should've done it. But yotes need rework, rescaled, & reclassed. Ofc theirs many more but this 1 is the most obvious looking like a mangy starved rat that literally stands the same height as red fox. 😖 yea defn. not, I'm ashamed to have them in my predator lodge.

[tidal laurel]

I've dropped 3 wolves between 60 and 140 pounds with my .30-30 and the furbuyer gave me full price anyway so eh,

[glass bramble]

I got a poll for a 220swift and 25-20 I think if those where add they should be 2-5 #1329539556806103120 message

[vital thicket]

204 ruger (1-3)....thoughts?

[glass bramble]

Little to much for my taste

[vital thicket]

How so with it being < 50lb ammo rated?

[glass bramble]

I just like a .22 for rabbits is all

[vital thicket]

I can respect that

[glass bramble]

But 2-4 is fine

[tidal laurel]

I tried one of these back in TN, the owner loved it. He hunted coons with it. Sat on his porch with it in a rest and shot them as they crossed the cow pasture in front of his house. He stacked up 20 or 30 in a few weeks
"I shoot better after 3 beers but more than 5 and I can hit the broad side of the barn with buckshot, from inside it"

[vital thicket]

I loved it for Rabbits & prairie dogs myself. Wish we still had it 😢

[glass bramble]

220swift is a 223 but faster and a hair smaller 25-20 is just a whitetail killer but a killer of mountain lions back in its day but then 35rem came out and stole the show

[vital thicket]

the swift was pretty neat. But never shot or heard of the 25-20.

[glass bramble]

25-20 was a popular round in the late to early 19-20 century

[vital thicket]

huh strange I never heard about it, being its a late 1800's caliber. I'll look into it

[glass bramble]

1900 I messed up

[vital thicket]

eh 1890''s 1900's pretty close 😆

[glass bramble]

Yeah but it’s still made today and the hippy’s in Britain use it for fox and roe

[vital thicket]

I wouldn't mind any of the above honestly, they are all good options.

[glass bramble]

I’d personally like the 220swift still a good medium game round but the 25-20 is tempting because of the pump action rifle

[vital thicket]

We defn. need more calibers that cover 1-3 sm game & 2-4/5

[glass bramble]

I’d like a 6.5-300 3-9

The 22-250 if the big game world

[vital thicket]

my issue with the 6.5mm is it could be any 6.5 caliber & I'll be 1st to admit 3-7 not good for moose unless your close.........my bad you meant the caliber 🤣 yes magnums are also needed. For me its the 10.3x68

[glass bramble]

No it dose wonders on moose I can say from personal at 243yrd double lung when 31yrds from where he was shot

It’s not so nice to your shoulder

[vital thicket]

6.5mm in-game. I'm not implying other 6.5 calibers except the creed not the best choice from the 6.5 family. If I had my pick it would be the 6.5x55 & 6.5x47 lapua.

[glass bramble]

The 6.5 in game is 6.5x55 you can ask the devs on that one

[tidal laurel]

Doesn't work like one at all

[glass bramble]

Yup it’s very underwhelming it works but it’s better being a 3-7

[vital thicket]

where did you here that from bc its been a ? for quite awhile

[glass bramble]

I asked like almost a year ago

[vital thicket]

Bc the model used implied it was 6.5creed but given the Rayo reward in the reserve & region n ammo art it was closer to 6.5x55 & no answers could confirm it.

[tidal laurel]

I don't understand how the creedmore fails so much, the 6.5 Swede is dead reliable. If we were getting a confirmed 6.5x55 give use something unique! Like a k31.

Or a Swedish Mauser design

[vital thicket]

Defn. agree their but if the 6.5mm is truly a 6.5x55 it needs reworked bc it acts nothing like it but it does feel more like a creed atleast to me.

easy EW solution rename the 6.5mm as a 6.5creed (6.5x48) (3-7) and release a true 6.5x55 😂

[glass bramble]

The 6.5 needs a buff but it’s done ok for whitetail

[vital thicket]

oh I love using it in-game & I treat it like its a creed bc it acts nothing like a swiss

[tidal laurel]

@glass bramble @vital thicket

Be honest here, how many different models using the same caliber are you okay with?

[vital thicket]

Nearly all of them if they added a custom rifle builder to build your own rifle using stocks, actions, barrels etc. from the existing & new models for 100k I'd be all in. Guess it would be more of a kit builder but you get my point.

[tidal laurel]

Just being able to choose different calibers would be enough to me. I'd gladly pay 10- 50k to switch them around

[glass bramble]

Not a problem as long as switch the calibers and or modify frame I’m cool with it

[vital thicket]

It would be ideal then I could use the stock I want & caliber bc I hate plastic. But a step further would be barrels but I'm getting greedy.

[tidal laurel]

Honestly, just let me make the Huntsman a .30-06 and the zagan a .243 or a .308

[glass bramble]

I’d like single shot 7mm rifle a 30-06 or 9.3X74R

[vital thicket]

if their was a builder steps as follows: Stock, Caliber, Action, Barrel = 👌

[tidal laurel]

We have a single 7mm, but I get it. There's a single shot. 30-06 I'd love to see in game

[glass bramble]

I know but that rifle in 30-06 that’s what I was trying to say

[vital thicket]

This would also apply to Armalites as well with: Chassis, Caliber, Action, Barrel

[tidal laurel]

Your opinion is incorrect: argument below

[vital thicket]

take my $$$

[glass bramble]

That’s a nice rifle I’d actually see a rifle with a thumb hole stock

[tidal laurel]

As long as it's not cursed so bad it makes the Pharoah look like a sideshow magician's assistant

[glass bramble]

Wtf is that 🤢🤮

[vital thicket]

love the wood, caliber but the handgaurd is.....well wow 😓

[glass bramble]

Same nice laminate wood lovely caliber but what is that handle

[vital thicket]

I cant see that being stable or comfortable at all

[glass bramble]

Also we need better laminate wood in game that ones we have a kinda ugly

[tidal laurel]

Now, this a .300 blk I honestly wouldn't mind having. Honestly tho I'd choose a smaller scope

[vital thicket]

I was hoping if we got the single it would've looked like this but that was my vote for it. I like the ranch scout but the single would've been alot nicer.

[glass bramble]

The Henry supreme would be nice comes in 223 or 300blk

[tidal laurel]

I'm much more a fan of wood stocks, but as a backpack rifle or a survival kit thing I like this. It just seems weird to me that they put such a large scope on a small carbine.

[vital thicket]

maybe their like an old guy like me that has bad eyes 🤣

[tidal laurel]

I've been looking into rifles for a pack idea I had some discovered an odd rabbit hole to fall down

[glass bramble]

There unique they take AR mags and would be nice in 350 legand 400 legand or even some other calibers

[devout orbit]

I prefer the Henry Homesteader Carbine but that’s a different topic.

[tidal laurel]

What do you guys think of this thing?

[glass bramble]

🤤 444rem mag

[vital thicket]

like it although I would use a brake on it

[tidal laurel]

There is one . . .

[vital thicket]

different brake I have a specific brand and style I use. & it has to be a heavy barrel

All my builds use heavy barrels & a Wittmachine MRE Brake if I use 1.

fluted wouldn't be bad either to help barrel cooldowns

I wish the 300blk was a single though. Knowing what it is and how I'd use it in-game would've been perfect.....at (2-5)

[tidal laurel]

#1330318493630857348 I didn't know what else to call it

[signal trellis]

Fors Elite is basically just a good Roo, Feral Goat, Chamois, and Sika gun. Lower end of the Solohkin spectrum with polymer tips.

[vital thicket]

Bump

[halcyon hill]

Very little spectrum of animals. Only third class. Self deception with silencer created it.

[tidal laurel]

Bump

[vital thicket]

bump

[vital thicket]

104 can we get 200 ☝🧐 ✌️

[halcyon hill]

Bump

[vale coyote]

Bump

[vital thicket]

^

[tidal laurel]

I'm surprised a hundred people decided to support this, the thing seemed so popular before it came out.

Honestly it was a community weapon pack, they could have taken votes for class coverage

[vital thicket]

I agree 100% for future polls if were stuck with locked class ranges. I'm really hoping this will get changed to a 2-5 & eventually we get an ammo update/dlc to expand caliber use. I use this often in-game & it's painful its 3-6 bc I use it for Bobcats, Coyotes, & Foxes both IRL & in-game.

[vital thicket]

^

[vital thicket]

^

[halcyon hill]

Community voted not for 300bk but for the silencer.

[vital thicket]

109 👍 for 300blk to be (2-5) not 3-6. As for the community overall vote it was mixed: • Another AR Platform •Suppressed •Some even thought it was a 300wm •And those of us who knew what it was and wanted it to be added. I personally got all 3 I wanted added in this pk however 300blk is not a 3-6 caliber its a 2-5 which is why I specifically wanted it to hunt coyotes, bobcats, & pigs. I wouldn't even be upset if EW makes it a 2-6 as long as its adjusted appropriately just as they did with the Gandhare from a 4-8 to a 4-9.

[halcyon hill]

Gandfire lose - moose win. Strange rifle. The 9 class is weak in the majority. 45-70, 7 mm or 300 is enough for 9 class. I voted for the 350 legend. Nobody listened about the silencer, about rule of the game. Now we are correcting the mistake of those who didn't care about the game.

[vital thicket]

The 7mm shouldn't be a 9 anyway & the 300wm should be a 5-9 but its irrelevant now unless EW adds ammo as they should. I personally voted for the 450BM as its my fav. Caliber aside from 308win irl but I was excited for the 300blk owning it myself and its a huge upset with what EW did with it. It was advertised to hunt wolves & wolves are C:6 when they shouldn't be. 300blk is a short to mid range 30cal used on Bobcats up to pigs within 200yds so 2-5 by EW's game listing. Again I wouldn't be upset if they make it 2-5 or 2-6. 243 & 30-30 are 2-6 even though 30-30 should be a 3-7. 243 ammo & use is justified as is.

Though I'm proud EW presented the Ranch Scout bolt model over another Armalite & did very well with the model & action. Overall I am happy with it except 2 things its a 3-6 when it should be a 2-5 or 2-6 & Soft Points need a buff. I shouldn't be getting Flesh hits on Lynx within 50yds where Polymers Drop them. If they fix that I'll be happy with it. Though I'm still going to preach ammo options needs to be considered for various game. I've said it before & I'll say it again EW needs to consider adding new features to stay active or start thinking about a 3rd title to keep up with future titles in the genre or it will be left behind when a title presents features players want. So we will see what they do for the long haul but I doubt they have more than a year to make a decision. Again I genuinely love CotW for an 8yr title and its been getting refined since release but I doubt they can keep it up with only releasing reserves & weapons yr after yr for the next 3yrs w/o some big additions being reworked & or added. Which I'm expecting to see this year given they hyped raising the bar during the winter update. And frankly I dont think we'll see serious additions till they upgrade to new gen systems & hardware for PC's & Consoles. The older systems wont have the umph to run it. Personally If I were EW I'd continue to support CotW as is & start a 3rd title with new hardware to release with more features & depth with new gen.

[vital thicket]

110 🎉

[halcyon hill]

After a tiger appearance I don't like to hunt other predators. Because they absolutely non dangerous now. In comparison with the tiger. It's very upset and moreover it devalues maps with predators. I play 4 years and I see how slowly devs change the game. We are fighting months and years with devs for such simple things. Shift on one position.

[vital thicket]

Nepal really showed off with how predators should be. Elusive, low population, aggressive when too close, and they all should have hunting ai behaviors. Their is an exception for C:3 & below predators on aggression unless we get Badgers & Wolverines. Parque Fernando is the exception to Puma populations as its stated in the narrative to have high populations = intentional. On release I loved the ai & aggression esp. the hunting behavior. Sadly that changed. I've been playing since launch, and I've seen the good & the bad so I get it. I hope EW makes waves this year bc if Ultimate Hunting releases & delivers on what I've seen being applied I might not come back to TH:CotW for a long while bc UH is adding proper predator ai & ways to hunt them plus weapon attachments like suppressers that I know ppl will flock to once they realize it. To boot they are 3D scanning racks to feed the game ai to generate racks so its never the same. Again a new gen title. Will it kill CotW probably not but EW will likely need to buckle down esp. since UH is releasing Africa with Elephants day 1 with another location in California I believe.....so 🤷‍♂️ we'll see

[halcyon hill]

The consumer will win one way or another

[vital thicket]

Usually thats how it goes. Though studios have lost their way over the past 5yrs. Hopefully the few success titles will be a wakeup call for most & take a step back & take notes while attempting to reach out to their player base. EW is pretty good about it overall but I strongly feel putting all their eggs in one basket is a bad move, which is why I'm really hoping they're working on a 3rd title behind the scenes. I just looked at next gen hunting games coming soon and yea... I dont think EW is going to keep this up for much longer unless they do something real big. My prediction is this is the last year before they upgrade to new gen moving forward, if they dont then I'd expect a new game 2-3yrs from now otherwise I think they're going to be too far behind to recover if they stick with this title. EW in general will likely have a separate game like Gen Zero was to fill in the gap I'd be shocked if they dont.

[vital thicket]

Though I'll admit the 1 thing I love about TH: CotW is the arsenal & caliber options. My 3 issues is lack of ammo options to appropriately use the various calibers, predator ai behavior, & multiplayer. But MP isn't going to change due to the client system to get it in the 1st place. However they can adjust ai in reworks & 🤞with a bit of luck we can get an ammo update. As I said before I genuinely love the game but after 8yrs playing I'm expecting big updates esp. after last year setting the bar really high of what they can do. Only reason I kept playing was bc of Medved, Yukon, & New England. The winter update brought me back because of the pointer & community pack. Would've been perfect if the 300blk wasn't 3-6. 375 I can live with despite that it overpowers the 470NE & the 450BM is as expected though 4-7 is odd when it should be a 3-8 like the .44 mag.

[halcyon hill]

Added in wish list

[vital thicket]

^

[vital thicket]

^

[zealous summit]

I mean the grandhare class were changed one Update after So maybe it will be same wirh this one 🤞

[vital thicket]

I hope so i dont even care if its a 2-6 but please allow me to use it as intended for bobcats & coyotes

[tidal laurel]

If that's the case then I hope they make the .450bm a 3-7

.45 colt and .45 air rifle are acceptable for class 3 so it should be too ( plus we have too many 4-8 and only one 3-7 magazine gun so that class range needs new members)

[vital thicket]

Although I did confirm the 450BM is used on moose as well. I'd compare it more to the .44 thats a 3-8 over a 3-7 but thats my opinion. If I had it my way based on exp. I'd much rather it be a 2-7 for bobcats & coyotes. Never tried a Fox yet but I can confirm its fine on bobs & yotes.

[vital thicket]

"(EW please for everything that is holy reclass the 300blk (7.62x35) to match the 7.62x39 in this update I'm begging you)" 🙏

[halcyon hill]

Devs solved the problem in their style. For 4.99 😂

[halcyon hill]

I think they will do it. Because 7.62-39 powerful than 7.62-35. Otherwise it will be big bug.

[vital thicket]

They are nearly identical in terms of stopping power realistically. Same is said for 7.62x54R to 7.62x51 (.308) although 308 is <50lb-DG authentically from 110gr-220gr. I'd argue the 7.62x54R is just as capable. 8mm I'd compare more to 30.06. 7mm is hard to beat but the 6.5x47 Lapua gives 7mm a run for its money in long range comps & incredibly flat shooting as well.

In any case I see no reason for 7.62x39 to be 2-6 while 7.62x35 is 3-6 that makes no sense. They both should be the same at 2-6. "Though personally both should be 2-5 w/ wolves reclassed to 5."

Even by factory ammo both 7.62x39 & 7.62x35 are rated for <50lb-300lb game (1-5) "2-5 technically bc C:1 imho should be birds only while class 2-3 should be Small - Small Medium game: Rabbit/Prairie dog - Coyote." By this logic C:2 <25lbs small game - C:3 25-50lbs small medium game etc.

[halcyon hill]

Eternal problems among 2-6 class. When I first saw a feal goat 4 year ago I haven't find how to kill it on the spot

[vital thicket]

By EW's ethical I'd use 7.62x54R. I havn't tried the 7.62x35 yet on goats. But often I hunt almost everything with 308, 30.06, 7.62x54R, & now the 450BM. I dont play by mechanics I play as I would in the field. I really hate the ethical scoring & medal mechanics in CotW so I ignore it & hunt as I do IRL.

[halcyon hill]

7.62x54 (soft) is good but not for front shot. I like diamonds 🍴

[vital thicket]

if it has a big rack idc how it scores it still looks good on my lodge wall 🤣 but with goats I often get heart shots. But I'll try the 300blk n see how that fairs bc I know 300blk SP's are useless on Lynx.

[vital thicket]

Thats where WotH excels in is it goes off of the damage to the meat

[halcyon hill]

I didn't play in WoTH but I like it sistem. I communicated about it in steam forum Cotw but didn't find support.

[vital thicket]

I havn't played it yet but I've been watching Flinter & others play it to see gameplay before deciding to buy it myself. With todays price marketing on games I have to be picky & decide is this a game I can see myself playing for several months even years & get my money's worth out of it. It sucks when games are nearly $60-$70 base price though the game w/o DLC I think is $30 at the moment but I'm waiting to see if we get a Spring sale in April. - (Xbox ser. X)

But if EW adds any features at all my top 2 would be ammo options rated for various game for all pistol & rifle calibers & horses. After that I have a fairly long list of reworks, reserve locations, calibers, & of course game I'd like to see added.

[tidal laurel]

I swear, EW is getting worse at reading feedback. I know for a fact the sks/7.62x39 has been requested for ages but I've never seen anyone ask for AK variant .308 and .30-06. They could have done so much better and made a legitimately interesting pack if they had just done

SKS 7.62x39
1895 .30-06
M39 7.62x54r (polymer tipped ammo added) and called it a Surplus Pack

[vital thicket]

I would've preferred a surplus pack, but the point stands if the 7.62x39 is 2-6 so should the 7.62x35 being both calibers performance is nearly identical & ammo is rated for <50lb-300lb game authentically.

[tidal laurel]

Agreed, .30-30 should be 3-7 alongside 7.62x54r though. Especially if we get a newer one using proper modern ammo

Also M39 Mosin is a Finnish made 7.62x54r with better designed scope mount system and a long barrel

[vital thicket]

I love the sights on these

[vital thicket]

I've officially decided I will not buy the new pack unless the 7.62x35 is reclassed to 2-5 or matches the 7.62x39 at 2-6. I'm holding EW accountable to correct their mistake & I refuse to buy a pack that has a caliber identical to the 300blk that is rated for <50lb-300lb game & ballistically identical. With a heavy heart EW I'm sorry, but I cant support the "Rapid Hunt" pack till this is corrected 😪

[sonic sleet]

Making .300 Blackout 3-6 was absolutely ridiculous

[glacial hare]

i actually think it would be better as a 2-6 as it for me at least it has no problems against Class 6

[narrow oracle]

Wanted to come back here and say i think that the reaper is 2-6 judging by the class range they showed in the preview. You got like, half of your wish Wolf! At least they kept it 2-6 (now lets cross our fingers and hope they change the blackout lol)

Edit: In all seriousness tho why was the blackout made 3-6 im so confused by that even still 💀

[devout orbit]

Blackout just isn’t very well known for predator hunting… or atleast more known for hog hunting. Now thats not to say it shouldn’t as it’s EW’s responsibility to make the guns they add to the game as accurate as possible.

[narrow oracle]

Still, I find it odd since it's reasonably popular for bobcats, coyotes, and foxes out here in the prairie and mtn west states, especially if you're in a state that allows suppressors and e-callers for predator hunting on private land.

[vital thicket]

Right

[prime dawn]

I really hope they listen to this. We made our opinions heard on the grandhare let's just hope they hear how unhappy the fors elite made us amongst the volume of hate for the new weapon pack.

[tidal laurel]

The hate for the new weapon pack is because of designs no one particularly cares for as much as the repeating calibers. The problem with the Fors Elite is the way it was handled. They never specified it wouldn't be a suppressed AR and people gaslit themselves into believing that. Honestly they should have done a poll for action types, then class ranges, then calibers. Ot would have solved so much of the hate they got. Same as it would have for this pack

[vital thicket]

EW has time since they already exist in-game they could switch the Vepr 308 for the 7.62x54R & the Valmet M-88 30.06 for the .243. In doing so reclass the 7.62x35 to 2-6 to match the 7.62x39. I truly believe this would revive the pack in popularity. I think this would be reasonable.

[tidal laurel]

Not sure they'll change anything, at least not that substantial

[vital thicket]

Most likely not but I feel that this wouldve been more ideal if they had instead of current.

[tidal laurel]

Ideal would have been a mix of actions. I'd have been more than happy for a single shot .30-06 or lever action of some kind. I just don't think I care for semi-auto everything

[vital thicket]

Thats more than fair. I've been wanting more blackpowders & pump rifles for awhile. As well as a bolt slug 410ga &/or 20/12ga. But I can't argue with more lever actions as well.

[vital thicket]

2 more days till we see the notes 🤞 the Elite is getting reclassed.

[tidal laurel]

If it's not then a totally new 2-6 buries it.

One more round in the magazine? Not enough to outweigh an entire extra class plus semi auto fire

[vital thicket]

I hope it does it'll make [4] 2-6 options & yes I 200% agree with you with 30-30 should be 3-7 minimum though I'd argue to anyone its a 3-8 but I'll take what I can get until ammo options are available.

[tidal laurel]

3-7 for a .30-30 should be the absolute baseline. I've never met anyone who's first choice for a fox for a raccoon is a .30-30. Even for coyotes, which ought to be class 3 for the sake of realism, if you're culling coyotes you want a cheaper ammo and if you're after the fur then yo want a smaller hole in the pelt

[vital thicket]

Personally 110gr has been my go to for the 300blk & 308 for coyotes. Love them for prairie dogs as well. PCP 30cal. I use on Coons & foxes on my property since I'm still technically in the city but barely.

[tidal laurel]

Those are pointed aren't they?

[vital thicket]

Nosler varmigedons. I sware by these bullets. I dont recall the slugs for the pcp though, an acquaintance gave me a bag of them bc they sold their pcp.

[tidal laurel]

Yeah. . .tubular magazine would cause the point to literally rest against the primer of the shell in front of it, add recoil and you get chain fired cartridges in the tube right where your hand is. Varmint bullets are fine in single shot .30-30's and I admit that sounds fun, but not worth blowing up a gun and potentially your face

[vital thicket]

🤣 Right no I'd like to see a single 30-30 added with PT's

[tidal laurel]

Either one of these as a .30-30 would be awesome varmint guns, they would allow much more freedom

[vital thicket]

I'll be honest I wanted the single shot for the 300blk so badly bc it would've paired nicely with how I hunt. We need a single shot pack that isn't a rifle pistol pack, among others ofc.

[tidal laurel]

Rifle pistol? Like rifle caliber pistols?

[vital thicket]

Yea. Sorry thats what me & my family always called them my uncle has 6 of them 😅

[tidal laurel]

Got it, I can make a single shot pack in like 2 minutes

[vital thicket]

Doesnt Joe have 1?

[tidal laurel]

Searched but didn't see one, did he name it something other than single shot pack or something?

[vital thicket]

If I recall it was multi calibers are another? I know he was pushing the Ruger no.1 with every caliber under the sun 😂

[tidal laurel]

Right! Caliber customization I think

[vital thicket]

that sounds right but it got buried in my follow bar somewhere I hate how discord limits the number of follows

[tidal laurel]

Right? It's really annoying to have to pick and choose what you want to keep up with if you like several things

[vital thicket]

It sucks honestly bc I have to unfollow in order to make room for more to be seen.

[tidal laurel]

#1353138243406663751

[halcyon hill]

After months of waiting it won't be a victory. Because devs will give us a better alternative. (maybe only for those who love 300 BLK irl)

[vital thicket]

I just want to see a mistake corrected. EW has always released weapon packs that can be used on the reserve they release that year. The Hunters choice was the 1st that didn't bc the 300blk was 3-6 instead of 2-5 or 2-6 on a C:1-2 exclusive release. I expect EW to follow that tradition & to avoid it happening again in the future. If tradition holds true as previous years were looking at a C:2-8 game reserve in the Summer Release based on this new pack.

[vital thicket]

It would be a victory in this case if the Elite is properly reclassed. Ofc EW will likely up sell alternatives. The only adv. the SKS has is faster rate of fire & recoil control otherwise there isn't any difference between the 2. I still feel the Vepr should've been the 7.62x54R over 308 & the M-88 should've been a .243 over 30.06. But what is done is done. All I care about is the 7.62x35 being reclassed to match the 7.62x39 as it should be. Most likely the 7.62x39 will likely hit harder since they're up selling it & it's the star of the pack (as all packs due for whatever reason), but I don't really care if it does as long as I can use the 7.62x35 as intended I'll take it.

[halcyon hill]

Many people think that it will be a polar map. I think devs will do so (replace 300 blk to 2-5(6)). But if 7.62x39 will be more powerful than 7.62x35 the second will go to the shelf. I'm waited to long.

[vital thicket]

yea but for me its more for the application. If EW reclasses the Elite I'll finally have my Coyote, Bobcat, & Fox caliber IRL in-game. As I stated I'll buy the new pack if they do reclass the Elite. I'd likely use the pack on Medved except the M-88 30.06 I have my M1 & nothing will replace that. As a sim player & immersive player I use various weapons for various hunts and RP settings when the mood strikes me. As for the new reserve I'm not sure it could be a Northern location or any number of places during the Winter season but if EW follows their tradition I'd wager C:1-8 game given the weapon pack ranges C:2-8.

[halcyon hill]

The 223 cal is not popular for hunt to a fox, coyote and bobcat irl? I don't want a winter map. I want anything like SRP or a new African map.

[vital thicket]

223 to me isn't my choice for any game either other then for the range. I'm excited personally bc I've been wanting another all snow reserve ever since Medved. But I will agree 200% a US Western reserve with a heavy Elk focus is needed. As for Africa we are predicting if EW releases it, it'll likely be the 10yr anniversary release.

[vital thicket]

120 🎉

[halcyon hill]

I have a question. (off topic but) Does a 44 magnum have so penetration power irl? Like in the game. I can't believe it.

[vital thicket]

Depends on the load your shooting but it does pack a punch.

@halcyon hill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uV2xrB1-M - comparison 44mag vs 45-70 just for a visual.

[halcyon hill]

Thanks. I don't use it because it allow shoot to vital organ through the ass. It deprave from a right hunt.

[vital thicket]

no worries the 45-70 is so under powered in game compared to the real deal but 44mag does hit hard. Its no contest the 45-70 wins in terms of range but both knock game over fairly well as the video sort of shows.

[halcyon hill]

I like to hunt with 45-70 in the game but I don't like a soft point bullet expansion. The pumpkin in the video confirmed the devs bug.

[vital thicket]

Very true. But even Jaxy admitted its underpowered but his reply as to why it is what it is, is because of game balance. To clarify he also wishes it had more umph as well. And to be frank everyone isn't happy with Soft Points bc they dont perform as they should esp. when Polymers & Hardcasts drop game. Btw the 7.62x35 does well on Goats with Polymer tips. I dropped quite a few testing it. Granted alot were heart shots & even side shots they didn't go far. But dont use Soft Points they are useless as much as it pains me to admit. I wouldnt recommend past 200yds with it if you choose to use it. I forgot to let ya know when you asked.

[halcyon hill]

How I see of game balance and the devs.

[narrow oracle]

it's especially egregious since polytips are literally just.... soft points and hollow points with aeordynamic polymer windscreens so their performance should be near identical

[halcyon hill]

The 7.62x35 polimer tip is good. The best on 3:c for the last time. Now it's missing a feral goat GO.

[vital thicket]

In general, polymer-tipped bullets prioritize penetration for reaching vital organs, while soft-point bullets focus on expansion for greater damage and potentially faster kills, especially at closer ranges

Polymer-tipped bullets:
• Penetration: Designed to penetrate deeply, allowing them to reach vital organs from various angles.

• Expansion: While they do expand, their primary focus is on penetration, making them suitable for larger game or situations where reaching multiple organs is crucial.

• Ballistic Coefficient: The polymer tip improves aerodynamics and ballistic coefficient, leading to flatter trajectories and better accuracy at longer ranges.

• Example: A polymer-tipped bullet might be preferred for a shot aimed at the lungs, as the increased penetration ensures that the bullet reaches the target organs.

Soft-point bullets:
• Expansion: Designed to expand quickly upon impact, creating a larger wound channel and potentially causing a faster kill.

• Penetration: While they do penetrate, their primary focus is on expansion, which might be less effective at longer ranges or for larger, tougher animals.

• Example: A soft-point bullet might be preferred for a close-range shot aimed at the heart or other vital organs, as the increased expansion maximizes damage.

Conclusion: Soft Point's do not perform as they should in-game 😢

[narrow oracle]

sadge

[vital thicket]

Sadge 🤨 ⁉️ I have no idea what that means. Sad game event?

[narrow oracle]

combination of sad and disappointing

[vital thicket]

Ah...😆 I was just looking it up bc I was dumb founded. I'm not familiar with new gen lango. I'm almost over the hill 🧙‍♂️ keep it simple 😅

[halcyon hill]

7.62x39 polimer 34-5, soft 16-20. (300 b 32-7, 15-21). Twins.

[devout orbit]

It looked much better with the scope glitch😔

[radiant kestrel]

So the Quist Reaper is more powerfull then the .243 and the Fors Elite but they still didn't adjust the classes???

[vital thicket]

I'm going to wait to see after the update to see if it changes. I didn't see it listed in the patch notes but that doesn't mean they wont. However if it doesn't I will not support the new pack. I refuse to accept an identical caliber thats properly classed & is virtually superior bc its designed to outclass & outperform 243 & the Elite with an absurd fire rate & recoil control. On another note the 243 was fine as is and now has a recoil buff for no reason...I dont get it. Idk what fix was needed with the Odin bc I havn't had issues with it. I'm not happy to see geese are going to be even more annoying now. But on the upside the pointer is getting TLC. Other than that SP is getting a touch up... Not what I was expecting overall. On a seperate note they apparently fixed issues with MP on consoles so we will see.

[tidal laurel]

Can I be honest here?

This update sucks, they made geese even more annoying and haven't changed the classes of any weapon. Power scaling in this game absolutely sucks and I just don't care for it any more

[vital thicket]

I asked Vivi in General Chat: Is their any chance the Fors Elite will be reclassed from 3-6 to 2-6 just as the Gandhare was reclassed from 4-8 to 4-9. I'll be honest the 7.62x35 & 7.62x39 are nearly identical ballistically, use, & ammo rating. Authentically both are rated for <50lb - 300lb game. Not to mention opens players to [4 caliber] 2-6 options over having 3. I'll admit I find it strange the 7.62x35 is 3-6 when its primary use is Coyotes, Bobcat, Hogs, & in some cases Deer. The 7.62x39 is also often used the same way. So, with that said wouldn't the 7.62x39 match the 3-6 of the 7.62x35? I personally dont prefer this outcome but would rather see the 7.62x35 match 7.62x39 in Class only as a 2-6. • "Edit:" [5] 2-6 options total if you include the .243 Rifle Pistol. "(.243 Bolt, .243 Pistol, 30-30 Lever, 7.62x39 Semi-auto, & 7.62x35 Bolt)"

[untold minnow]

You can ask about it here https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1353718276500226100, but I were you, I'd shorten the message for it to have a higher chance of appearing on the stream
It's worth a shot, even tho it probably won't be answered

[vital thicket]

Thanks

[halcyon hill]

OK I will try. We have two rifle packs now. The first pack has 2 good rifles and strange one. The second has 2 duplicate and good replace for the strange one. This is management nothing more. 10 $ from you.

[radiant kestrel]

That's why I'm not buying it

[vital thicket]

Well.....now we wait. The Elite had a fix with a scope although I didn't notice anything unusual except weapon sway is still way worse than it was a long while back but that's nothing new as this has been a thing for some time. This would've been the ideal time to reclass the Elite, however I'll remain patient to see if this gets addressed on the next update with the new map release. To Tommy & the team the new weapons do look, sound, & feel good with the animations that was displayed on the Live stream. Though I still question the caliber choices applied esp. since Vivi mentioned the Community Challenge involves Medium Game. Which if I recall from the pointers game search EW's definition of Med Game is C:2-5.

[tidal laurel]

Have you played? I ain't home to try it but can you tell me if the geese actually do honk more?

[vital thicket]

yea I'll let ya know I was playing Medved since I ended up getting gifted the new weapon pack & said screw it to try it. Honestly I'm not impressed except the SKS and SP's actually drop C:3 game within 100yds.....I'm not happy it can but 300blk as a 3-6 SP's cant drop lynx sub 100yds however further testing is needed bc Idk if they snuck in a fix on SP's for the 300blk yet so dont hold me to that till I confirm.

[vital thicket]

yes they Honk more, audio wise I cant tell if they got louder or not they sound just as annoying. I just went to the fields to hear them. Idk how they are Flying around but in there zones they do honk alot more.

[tidal laurel]

Ugh, I'm gonna uninstall

[vital thicket]

I dont blame you for feeling that way I'm not thrilled either. But its all I got till UH releases.

[halcyon hill]

Yesterday I played in Hirsh. According to my feeling geese do honks like crazy now.

[halcyon hill]

I was hunting in Te Awaroa. OK I see a Thar c:4 and a Chamois c:3 side by side now. I have 450, 303, 308 (2), 30.06 (3), 7mm(2), 45-70, 577 in order to drop a Thar on the spot. I have only 7.62x54 SP to do the same with a Chamois. But SP doesn't guarantee a successful chest shot. 243, 300 blk, 30-30, 7.62x39 are good but not enough. Playing 4 years I keep asking myself the same question. Why did the devs make the c:3 and a moose are tanks?. It seems to me that I buy for all the dlc just to get over this barrier. Gandfire, Vallgarda, Fors Elite. 300, Q. Reaper..... what next?

[vital thicket]

I'm in the same boat with Lynx C:3 this is why I quit following EW's class locks for supposed ethical harvests outside of missions bc EW restricted caliber applications to specific game. Like Tommy said in stream use a bigger caliber if you want to drop game & not chase them. If they applied proper ammo options like Ultimate Hunting is doing for various game this wouldn't be an issue. I hunt as I would IRL & I use calibers the same way in-game. A G1 whitetail is still going to have the same Antlers whether I use a 308 or 300wm. Only thing that changes is medal score & $$$ reward. The deer still has the massive rack in my lodge regardless.

[devout orbit]

.270😔

It’s RIGHT THERE EW

[vital thicket]

270 does deserve some love its a really good caliber.

[halcyon hill]

Didn't include 270 in the list because rarely use it and don't remember so or not so. I don't use it because irl it more powerful and it's annoying.

[versed crystal]

I had to set down the .270. I hurts my sole, in game. IRL, it’s my favorite!

[vital thicket]

I would justify 7.62x39 if the 7.62x35 gets reclassed at some point to match. It bugs me EW deliberately classed it a 3-6 on a C:1-2 premiere release. The main reason why I'm making a fuss about this is bc EW has never released a pack that couldn't be used on any reserve since launch. I'll also point out that 300blk was the most voted in the polls regardless of if it was miss took or not & it ended up being the worst caliber in a voted pack. The pack was supposed to be a C: 2-9 pack capable of being used on any reserve or future release so I find it bothersome they prevented its use on a premiere release rendering it useless to players. & I'll add yes, the 300blk is fine to be used on Fox IRL with 110gr ammo.

[radiant kestrel]

Also the 300blk is used on Racoon IRL

BUT there is no connection to the release of Salzwiesen Park because the map probably was in development way before the polls for the weapon pack. But I agree that if we would have known what new species or what classes the new calibers would be implemented into the game, the polls might have different results.

In my opinion the biggest mistake EW made was to suggest calibers without stating their intentions for which classes they would cover which lead to false expectations. I also dislike that EW called the weapon pack "Hunters' Choice: Bolt-Action Rifle Pack" while WE never had the option to vote for the type of action for the rifles. Even single shot rifles can be bolt actions so we never actually voted for a "Bolt Action Rifle Pack"

[vital thicket]

Actually, we did it was mentioned in the capacity (well for the 300blk as a 1 round option was presented) I believe in the 2nd stage of the polls, but it was suttle & regardless of if we knew the reserve was coming, I knew what all 3 calibers were & use, so I expected a C:2-9 pack. I'll agree with you that more details would've been helpful esp. to those who had no clue what the calibers were or their uses/field applications. However, the point stands EW has never released a weapon pack that couldn't be used on any reserve...Never! This was the 1st time this has happened. I'm not only expressing I want the 7.62x35 to be properly reclassed but to also remind EW of the mistake & to be more mindful moving fwd. Honestly, I'm shocked no one has pointed this out this whole time.

I'll admit that SP was a left field reserve & no one was expecting a C:1-2 exclusive but EW defn. overlooked the point along with several oversights. However I can forgive EW for the mistake as long as they correct it at some point.

[radiant kestrel]

Yea but we never had the option for Lever-/Pump-/straight pull/auto loading/falling block rifles. They only gave us one option for one of the calibers that was not a bolt action. It's like asking for our favorite sweets/candy but only letting us choose between white/brown chokolate.

[vital thicket]

🤣 no argument there. That should've been mentioned. If EW was to do another poll they should start with class range, action, then caliber. Had they done that instead I dont think ppl would be as upset. Its true I am taking it personally with the 300blk bc it happened to be a coincidence that all 3 calibers I always wanted forever to be in-game was selected to be added in a poll.

[radiant kestrel]

Hopefully they will do more "community based" weapon/gear packs. Would be an opportunity to connect to the community instead of releasing new stuff, hoping the community might enjoy/use it

[vital thicket]

I'd like to see that applied in the community challenges as well over EW's RNG rewards.

I'll admit I was excited for the winter update till I dove into it. & frankly was very disappointed bc it had potential & EW overlooked alot of details with all 3 content packs. The new weapon pack also missed out on potential with the calibers. Other than that, the pack is different & fun but really missed the mark. The update itself is great except the geese. Idk who decided that 1 bc their was no need for it.

[halcyon hill]

I like SP because it doesn't have ducks or geese but don't like that there are no varmint animals.

[vital thicket]

What do you mean doesn't have ducks or geese 🤨 SP is a waterfowl dedicated reserve.

Salzwiesen Park (SP)
• 9 Waterfowl
• 2 Upland Birds
• 1 Upland Small Game
• 3 Furbearers

[zealous summit]

what is an upland small game ?

[hearty glen]

Probably referring to the European Rabbit

[vital thicket]

rabbit

[halcyon hill]

There was a misunderstanding. SP is silver peaks. I don't play in the salzw.. park because it thick broth from animals.

[sand shell]

SRP is the best abbreviation for the Silver Ridge Peaks reserve

[vital thicket]

^

[tidal laurel]

Still, this needs to be done

[vapid imp]

Bump

[vapid imp]

Remington's website (https://www.remington.com/big-green-blog/cartridge-showdown-762-39-300-blackout.html) ballistics chart shows 7.62x39 has more velocity/muzzle energy across the board. So why is .300 blackout not class 2 appropriate?

[tidal laurel]

Incorrect marketing and poor research combined

[halcyon hill]

Because 300 blk selled 7.62x39 to us. Money money money.....

[vital thicket]

It should match the 7.62x39 again classing the 7.62x35 3-6 robbed players using it on SP in the winter update. As an apology it should get reclassed for the oversight. Not to mention again, doing so will allow players to utilize up to 5 (C:2-6) calibers instead of 4: •243 rifle & pistol •7.62x39 •30-30 (although the 30-30 should be 3-7 same with other calibers 270 & 6.5). EW I'm tellin yea an ammo class expansion would solve our caliber class complaints real quick 🧐 even if its similar to the "Hudzik (3-7 / 4-8)" Give 1st Tier ammo: (Soft Points & Hollow points) a use again instead of being underperformed by Hard Cast & Polymer-Tips. Dont get me wrong it made sense with base game content having to unlock & earn Tier 2 ammo but its pointless when DLC add-ons are free & both ammo types are openly available in the in-game store 🤨 ?!

[tidal laurel]

Bump

[sonic sleet]

Shocking that a caliber with one strength is underwhelming when that strength is not depicted (suppressed use)

[halcyon hill]

Bump

[halcyon hill]

Hunted with 7.62x39. Returned to 223 as a result. Because 7.62x39 to kill a raccoon, raccoon dog, and fox instantly. Even if this a non vital shot. Good for grind, bad for diamond maniacs. For 3:c the best.

[tidal laurel]

Bump

[tidal laurel]

Okay, EW. Please, for the love of useful equipment please consider this change.

.30-30, 6.5, and .270 changed to class 3-7 buffed to at least be roughly equal to the 7.62x54r so they all have a use and equal playability

7.62x35/.300 Fors Elite changed to 2-4 to compete with .223 and .22-250.

They all have their uses and they all suit a different style of hunting but they don't reflect that at all. We need a change of pace in the weapon classes more than anything else in the game

[tidal laurel]

Bump

[tidal laurel]

I sincerely hope we got some class changes

[modern vapor]

Class change needed.

[halcyon hill]

If devs will change to 3-7 and buff 6.5 and 270 I will be extremely happy. But 300 and 7.62x39 will go to the bucket.... from my loadouts. 😎