#Bolt Action Rifle pack

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median bolt
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OK, yeah, not super happy about it if I'm honest.

.375 sounds less impressive than the Eckers .30-06

4-7 is an arbitrary class range just for the sake of not being a 4-8 like all the others. 3-7 would have made more sense for the sake of the game

The .300 blackout inspired rifle being a 3-6 is absolutely ridiculous. It would have made so much more sense at 2-5/6 considering it has 300 ftlbs less energy than a .30-30 to start with so it's only getting weaker at distance.

I really hope there's some last minute fixes

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amber timber
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I agree 100%

  • .375 H&H Magnum: Definitely excited for it, but the main two things I wanna see different is having its class range expanded to 5-9 (since it's a very versatile cartidge irl) and to have a better gunshot sound (hoping the one in the trailer is just a placeholder)
  • .450 Bushmaster: making it a 3-7 instead of 4-7 would put it in a more reasonable position and it would give the Mosin-Nagant some competition. 4-7 seems useless when 4-8 is a common class range
  • .300 Blackout: Honestly just bumping it down to a 2-5 weapon would be perfect. I learned today that it's mainly for varmints, deer, and pigs, which is conveniently classes 2-5. 2-6 is acceptable, though I know people have said it's really not well-suited for larger animals

Expanding beyond stuff like 7-9 restrictions is absolutely possible, since we have .577/450 (4-9), 7mm (4-9), .45-70 (again 4-9), and 9.3x74R (5-9)

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I totally understand wanting to have players diversify their loadouts instead of relying entirely on just one gun, but we're also constantly using cartridges that naturally are very versatile irl, like 9.3x74, 7mm, .300 mag, .338, etc.

median bolt
amber timber
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Yeah exactly, it's already possible to lean on 3 guns to cover everything, so expanding class ranges wouldn't really change that. I'd just like to be able to use cartridges on animals the way you'd be able to irl

median bolt
amber timber
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I agree. I'm all for making things more flexible and allowing greater player freedom, and improving the ballistics overall would improve the overall experience a ton

and not relevant to this thread but PLEASE fix the interaction between the inline muzzleloader and moose😭

pliant cedar
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My personal suggestions for this are the following:

.300 AAC 2-5

.450 BM 3-8, same as the .44 mag

.375 H&H 6-9 with .300 WM being made 5-8 and both bison species being moved down to class 8.

Ideally of course I'd scrap the weapon class system for more complex ammunition systems with different loads, comparable to what Classic has but more advanced.

cold whale
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This isn't a suggestion for the weapon pack, this is just an overall ask. They aren't going to release the 375 as a more versatile and harder hitting, albiet slower shooting, still deadly accurate .300. That's just idiotic

You guys are asking for/implying a full overhaul of the class coverage on weapons. Also, I think it's kind of obvious that they are picking one grain of bullet for each respective gun, with two bullet variants to choose from. That way it constricts the class range of a singular weapon and requires you to diversify and broaden your weapon loadout (Intentionally)

I don't think this is going to change, as the point of adding something like the drilling gun was to be your "This gun can do almost anything!"/one size fits all. There's some rifles that could use a class change definitely, like the 270 and 300, and a few others, but aside from that I think it's fine.

amber timber
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I'm content with the .375 staying as a 7-9 weapon, but I'd like to see the ballistics and ethical class ranges updated across the board so that "the most realistic hunting simulator" actually fits that bill

pliant cedar
# cold whale This isn't a suggestion for the weapon pack, this is just an overall ask. They a...

Y'know you dont have you just jump in and call suggestions idiotic to start with, you can at least try to consider someone's idea before tearing it apart.

I'm just saying ideally the game would use something more intuitive along the lines of Classic's system. I also don't see how changing .300WM and .375 H&H relative to each other to make the latter a graduation over the former in performance is a problem.

cold whale
median bolt
cold whale
amber timber
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The 7mm is also a testament to versatility being preferred over restriction, as it has historically been a community go-to because of its flexibility. Why not lean into that and make things more flexible overall?

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But there's more to this post than just a ballistics update

cold whale
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And neither did I necessarily shoot down the suggestion, I just pointed out that it's off point from the weapon pack. I think it's safe to say they aren't revamping the class system december 3rd, just releasing some new weapons.

median bolt
cold whale
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In real life or in the game?

amber timber
median bolt
cold whale
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Lots of muzzleloaders, couple 270's, 308's, 30-30, 22-250, couple 300's, couple 7mms, couple 8mm mousers, couple 30-06's, 450 marlin, 458 win mag, 6.5, 22's, an AR15, and a lot of hand guns/revolvers and shotguns out the you know what. All of which owned by me or hand-me downs and/or guns I have direct access to whenever I want. I've shot all of them multiple times and hunted with them

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If lack of experience was going to be a call out it might not be super applicable, but I'd like to hear you out regardless.

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I don't reload ammunition though and I exclusively buy live rounds, so I did get called out on loads a few times, so there's definitely always more for me to learn.

median bolt
# cold whale If lack of experience was going to be a call out it might not be super applicabl...

It wasn't going to be.

Everything you've tried you had to have bought ammo for at some point yes? Every box of shells shows a different grain weight that or bullet construction designed with specific animals in mind. Even within each caliber there's generally a very wide selection of bullet weights tailored to specific animals. Let's take .30-06 as an example here.

It uses a .308 diameter bullet, varying generally between 110 and 220 grains outside of custom made bullet moulds. All those bullets will follow a construction principle with a general type of animal in mind. Like the 220 grain will generally be a soft point design with a round nose, this design allows it to punch extremely deep or shatter thick bones and hold together enough to pass through the vitals of big animals like moose and brown bear.

Now, the same caliber has access to 150 grain polymer tips. Poly tipped rounds are in essence hollow points with a nose cone so they fly better. These are generally meant to reach out longer distances, generally for animals like pronghorn antelope, deer, and wild sheep. The poly tip makes the bullet fly accurately and once it hits the target the tip forces rapid expansion. A sheep or deer generally has a 17 inch chest cavity so if the bullet over penetrates it could either be a wound or an extremely slow death and difficult or impossible tracking.

Covering every animal between whitetail (4) and moose (8) with a single bullet can be done but generally it's not ethical or practical. So I don't think it's stupid at all to have classes ranges for each rifle. That 220 grain for brown bear (7) and moose (8).

And a 150gr for whitetail (4) and rusa deer(6).

This is the easiest way I can think of to make a decent Overhaul that won't kill development time needlessly

amber timber
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It's definitely possible, we have stuff like the Hudzik, which has two different ammo types for different class ranges and different performances. It'd probably have to be a standalone update, but I feel like an ammo overhaul would be awesome

cold whale
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Oh, well yes, of course. There's different loads. I more or less just said there's only one bullet weight in the current workflow of the game (obviously). I'd love to see different loads/grains for different rifles. I just think with the current system, making the same bullet that effectively kills a very large game ethical (at the game standpoint) for dropping smaller tiers in their tracks with double lung is not interesting

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broadening the class coverage with different bullets, that's super. But just making the gun able to shoot 5 different classes with the same bullet, that's what I think is uninteresting as far as loadouts go and I'm not for it, at least for the sake of the game.

median bolt
cold whale
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You can currently shoot an animal that fits on the smallest plaque in the game, a small plaque, which the only other animals that can fit on it are fox, raccoons and ducks (albiet, warthogs are severely undersized in cotw) all the way to moose and the somewhat oversized grizzly which fit on the extra large plaque.

This coverage being 4-8 rifles. It's not necessary to change any given rifle to more coverage than 4 I think for now.

median bolt
heavy pivot
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Is the .375 a M70 Alaskan or Safari?

I’m leaning more towards the Safari model.

median bolt
cold whale
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It’s a safari I would say. That bright orange stock is a trend I see on a lot of double rifles, even Mark Sullivan's personal .577 NE.

cold whale
# median bolt 7mm, .45-70, .577. . . It's not a new idea

Well, to be fair ones a gimmicky black powder and the other two perform best with the lower classes and are sub-optimal for the 8’s and 9’s. I’m more concerned about taking one of the very powerful bullets and making it ethical on smaller classes

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But yea I see what you mean

median bolt
cold whale
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I was referring to the examples you gave, not the new weapons

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In any case the bushmaster might as well be 4-8, I don't see the point in 4-7 for the rifle aside from people complaining about the 4-8 trend.

median bolt
heavy pivot
cold whale
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Eh, it could do better. The pistol is fine but I'm pretty sure the lever is underpowered if I remember right. I haven't tried to use it in a while though

heavy pivot
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Irl I mean

median bolt
cold whale
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pliant cedar
cold whale
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Too bad it looks kind of ugly with the scope available for it (To me). I'd like if they made a new one like one of the photos I showed you a little while back and updated the performance, or rather give it new bullets as a whole, just like how the 10ga lever uses brass and the pump uses plastic.

median bolt
outer night
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Couldn’t agree more with the 300 blk. It should really be a 2-4/5 since it is very much a watered down .30-30 for ars. It’s really not even practical for hunting in my mind but we have it so I think it should be realistic. The .30-30 is in serious need of a buff in power and potentially being made a 3-7 instead of 2-6. The 450 bushmaster for all intents and purposes is a 45-70 for ar platforms. It became popular irl bc of states allowing straight wall cartridges. 3-7 would be way better for it. And finally my darling, the 375 h&h magnum. 7-9 is honestly realistic for it but 6-9 would have been a little better, if the 300 WM and 338 were made 5-8 instead of 7-9. Truth be told the 375 is the better choice for taking the largest of North American game, being bison grizz and moose, instead of the 300 mag (btw I feel bison should be class 8). For the dangerous African game, it is mostly illegal to hunt Cape buffalo and lion with anything smaller than the 375 or 9.3mm, making the .375 h&h the third “legal” option to hunt lion and Cape buffalo. Of course we will have to wait and see for ourselves how powerful these 3 guns are, somehow I feel the 300 blk and 450 bm will be way overpowered compared to the irl version, and the 375 will be way underpowered compared to real life.

steady hamlet
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I knew the .300 would be 3-6 because Jax called me rude for saying that would be dumb

median bolt
steady hamlet
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I don’t follow

median bolt
steady hamlet
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lol

amber timber
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After giving it some time, I'm at least content with the .375 H&H being a 7-9 rifle. I'd love for basically everything to get their class ranges adjusted, but this is also the first time we got a 7-9 rifle that uses the new bolt action reload, which is sweet. I do also hope it sounds beefier on release, bc everything I'm seeing of the .375 irl shows that it sounds pretty "commanding"

I do still wish the .450 Bushmaster and .300 Blackout would get their class ranges adjusted though. I get that this is a video game, but I do still feel like they could be adjusted to better represent their irl usage, instead of a dubious 4-7 round and what's basically a varmint cartridge irl not being ethical for them in-game

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one thing I gotta give constant praise to is how pretty the .375 H&H and .450 Bushmaster look

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I do also still think that the .450 Bushmaster should be a 3-7 rifle, putting it in competition with the Mosin-Nagant and still having a wide class coverage. I'm fine with it not being a 4-8 because we already have a million of those, so getting another 3-7 rifle would be neat

amber timber
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I'm also desperately hoping that we can actually double-lung moose with the .375, it feels like I can never do that with the .300 or .338, and the only gun I can consistently do that with is the Hudzik

median bolt
outer gull
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Just really hard for me to get too excited over guns in COTW ... They look good but aren't really modeled realistically ... Cant see any advantage over my current load out which is 22, 243, 7mm and 300 mag ....

amber timber
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I did a reverse image search of the .375 and got this (Kimber Caprivi chambered in .375 H&H)

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I also searched up that gun just to verify and got the same results

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amber timber
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I'm sure functionally it'll be similar to the .300 and .338 (ideally stronger ofc), I'm mainly excited for it bc of how it looks and the reload animation

median bolt
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.375 is what we should have gotten with Vurhonga but I'm actually glad it took this long because it was a much more interesting animations for the reloading.

Yeah I know guns all do the same basic thing, but being able to change your gear to match your environment makes the game more immersive to me.

If I'm just trolling around SRP then the .300 is fine, if I'm on Sundarpatan or Vurhonga then I want the .375 as my main gun. Functionally nothing changes, but it looks and feels more appropriate.

outer gull
# heavy pivot Can’t say you’d have a fun time killing elephants with only a .300WM or 7mm.

Of course when we get some new animals that I cant kill with the 300WM then I will reevaluate my load out .... That may also be a gun pack that I will most definitely purchase ....

The only thing that intrigues me about this weapons pack are the weights of the weapons .... if I can replace one or 2 of my favorites and reduce my overall carry weight then I might purchase it ... even 1 or 2 points in weight can mean being able to carry an extra caller or additional ammo.

Overall I'm just really cautious about buying a pack that will just sit in inventory ....

amber timber
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I like to buy weapon packs in the event that I wanna spice up my loadout. I don't usually like sitting with the same weapons (hence why I'm constantly shifting between the Malmer 7mm, Olson .308, Hudzik with the minie balls, and the Curman Inline)
Realistically I tend to stick with certain weapons, but I like having the option to change things up

median bolt
cold whale