Bestiary/ Backfilling for Layton Lake District

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Layton Lake District is an early map, but it looks emptier and the peaks more boring, so why not place some visible species towards Washington as they are found here.
Species that may represent this location are:

• The Rocky Mountain Goat can be seen on the snow-capped peaks of the Kraken Mountains and other mountainous areas.
• Rocky Mountain Bighorn sheep or California Bighorn sheep may also be a good example of a species.
• Marmots:
  to the west, The Olympus Marmot.
  in the east, the yellow-bellied marmot
  In the far northwest of the map is the Rocky Mountain Marmot.
• Rocky Mountain Elk in the West, from what I've seen, was just reintroduced in the 1900's and is still around. they are in the northwest further south so the same for what will be if one day they are on Layton Lake District
• The Mackenzie wolf is found further north and east of the map and is rare (206 individuals from what I have seen) therefore a species that will be rarer and therefore difficult to see.
• The sooty and dusky groose, the sooty to the west of the map and the dusky to the east.
• the white-tailed ptarmigan, it is actually not possible to hunt them but hey, bison can be hunted in Germany. Than to the west of the map.
• The California quail and Mountain quail, the California quail is located in the north, west and . and the mountain one is in south and east.
• Cougars, puma, mountain lions ( low population)
• American badger
• Bufflehead
• Rio Grande's Turkey
• American Wigeon
• American Porcucine
• Mule Deer
• Mackenzie Wolf
  If you have other suggestions, don't hesitate.

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what does not suit you inside my idea for you TheEntity05?. It's just to improve the idea.

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Idk, this would be perfect.

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Knowing that I don't know much about the species from there, especially ducks, if you have any suggestions or ideas, don't hesitate.

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I honestly can see any new species above class 4 fitting on Layton anything smaller I can see

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Have you a example ?

[lusty sluice]

Don’t forget Cougars (also Low Pop) found North and Western regions

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Ok

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Bufflehead, that be a example

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we can also remove the whistling duck from Vurhonga and put it here from what I saw is possible, if I understood correctly. Otherwise I didn't find it to be the elk subtype towards Layton Lake District. There is also the fact that the Roosevelt Elk can be found a little higher up as they are known to live in rescued areas. Otherwise I'll see this evening if I don't find any interesting little terrestrial creatures.

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Ok

Maybe something like the american badger for ground.

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Whistling Ducks?

The only ducks on Vurhonga is the Eurasian Wigeon

[strong jewel]

Yes i make a mistake about it's name

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otherwise there is also the beaver, undoubtedly the Canadian beaver. I'm always trying to find more species on land. Maybe towards the water area down below. but I don't know if it's a lake or the sea.

[dull citrus]

The big water body in the south is a big lake

[strong jewel]

Ok

Thanks you, is there another subspecies like the turkey that we could also find in this map? because I didn't find anything in my searches.

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Well, Rio Grande’s should’ve been on Layton instead of Merriam’s.

[strong jewel]

I know it's in Washington but we're not heading where because from what I see there are 3 subspecies because a map with various subspecies of turkeys could be cool. I find it fun in any case. thank you also for this absolutely brilliant map.

there are two subspecies of the Hermione deer, the black-tailed deer (we already have it) and the rocky mountain mule deer (the middle and the entire east of the map while the black-tailed deer further west and probably also the middle of the map

for the white-tailed deer, that of Colombia (the river) and the North-West.

Do you think the Mustang could be a good large species to be added to Layton Lake District or not?. Because I don't know, I haven't seen horses yet so I don't know if it can be taboo, if it's accepted. I'm trying to find plains animals because there are quite a few large plains in this map but empty.

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Eh, Mustangs are a contentious issue in the United States

You got people who want them managed by round ups and you got people who want them to roam free at the expense of species that are sensitive to habitat disturbances like the sage grouse and a very small minority that believes they should be managed as a game animal

Also the larger animals that exist on Layton are fine as is, Elk (Wapiti) have historically been a plains animal and the Great Plains for example use to have large herds of Rocky Mountain and Manitoban Elk

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Ok thanks you

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For red foxes, the only one I found that is in this place is this one
vulpes v Cascandensis:
A subspecies with a small tail and small teeth, and rather yellow fur. But it is disappearing. If you know one less problematic I am interested. I'll still post a photo for you.

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Im pretty sure it's a 1-1 translation from another language, for example in german they are called whistling ducks because of they're vocalisations.

[strong jewel]

yes that's it I'm French and it's the same term. so I was wrong

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Makes sense

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yes it's the same in France not his whistling we call it what is that but thanks again for telling me the right word. Now I try to be careful.

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As someone who lives in Idaho which is not far by, I concur with this map upgrade.

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https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1316523455822299158

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can we see them here?

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Yeah we could

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Ok so i gonna make this animal at the list

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Already on the list but just wanna put this beautiful picture in here

[strong jewel]

So cute

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Wanna shoot

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Yes😈

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Mountains cold so become orb

[strong jewel]

plus the mountains are filled with snow that would suit them well

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I would love to have there common variety to be there winter plumage + some uncommons with some black colours, rares could be summer plumage and more dark molting

[strong jewel]

What I would especially like to have for Layton is the 2 types of Elk and turkeys. It would be so cool to have them

And why not have even more random random fur colors than we currently have. to really see the various Molting Phase

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Ye

[strong jewel]

don't hesitate if you have other critters in mind

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American Porcupine - Class 2

[strong jewel]

It’s okay, I added it to the list.

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[formal hemlock]

Instead of Mountain Goat I'd add Stone's Sheep to Layton

[verbal garden]

They're not found in Washington, they need a bc or Yukon map for that, I would enjoy the dalls sheep on Yukon and bighorn on Layton tho, IMO the base game maps need some love and deserve more frequent updates

[formal hemlock]

I thought Layton was BC?

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Nope it's Washington

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Is that confirmed?

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Kinda, it's confirmed us it has black tailed deer so yeah, I think there was some confirmation against it Beeing in Oregon but I don't remember

[formal hemlock]

Meh, the BT doesn't mean much imo - BC has Columbian BT too and that's what I mean by this game not really needing to exist in hard boundaries. Stone's Sheep > any other mountain game choice really

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I think bighorn sheep (remodel please) and mountain goats would be better choices but stone sheep would be super cool

[formal hemlock]

Ehhhhh Bighorn needs subspecies splits AND model rework to be fair

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It really does

[strong jewel]

Especially Layton needs animals on its mountains because a very large part of the map is mountains. I would have said the elk of the rocky mountains and the various marmots mentioned (because Frenchly 2 species of elk in the same maps would be the best maps ever).

[formal hemlock]

Nah, RME are further inland - hence Rosies. But Stone's Sheep would be a lovely choice and it's been a looonnnnngggggg time since they've been in a hunting game.

[strong jewel]

The stone sheep I saw is not found near this location. Believed to have been inspired by the Cascade Mountains. And I didn't see that they were there even though I would have liked to have them.

[formal hemlock]

Eh, we do a bit of stretching LOL

Love your idea of marmot, though SRP probably needs them even more than Layton

[strong jewel]

we would have to look at the marmots who live near where it is located then it seems to me to be the Colorado Rockies if I remember correctly

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Ye that would be Yellow-bellied

[strong jewel]

from what I could see there is only one species of marmot so we can't do it for RME

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What

[strong jewel]

The idea of different species of marmot, I tried to look for different subspecies for like that, it can be like this map there but apart from the yellow-bellied I didn't find any other subspecies

For Layton I found 3 but for Silver Ridge peaks 1

[formal hemlock]

Yes, you don't need 3 different species on one map...

[strong jewel]

sure but it could have been fun

[formal hemlock]

Meh, I'd rather spread them out - Olympic for Layton, Yellow-bellied for SRP, and Groundhog for NEM

[strong jewel]

yes that could also be a possibility

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https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1317873569673510972

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1259895162860212275

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layton is by far my fav map please back fill it

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[fickle vigil]

I want them to add Mountain lions to Layton so the Tactical Espionage and Collision mounts make sense. Either would be a great centerpiece in the Layton trophy cabin.

Also, please make Mountain lions/pumas like snow Leppards in general

[strong jewel]

All right. it seems to me that this one I noted it I will check but yes I would like at least either the Mountain Lion or the Elk of the Rocky Mountains or in any case 1 mountain animal because Frenchly as I said have as many mountain all as beautiful as each other without having anything on it which is a shame. Afterwards I don't say the 2 or the animals at the same time but that over time he gradually adds more diversity to the mountain of Layton

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yes finally I already noted it. He is under the name of Cougars

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[open badger]

Mule deer should be added, it would be realistic.

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it's good, it's added to the list

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Washington State, Game Bird and Small Game: https://www.eregulations.com/assets/docs/resources/WA/24WAWF_LR6.pdf

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Thank you I just looked and some animals are very pretty

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I may be wrong about this but arent mountain goats not native to the area layton is set in? i thought they were released but couldnt survive because of lack of mineral or something

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Mountain goats cause significant damage in Olympic National Park, a protected natural area in Washington State, United States. Result: around a hundred of them were moved this month to another territory, by helicopter.

They are still there but some have gone elsewhere because of too much damage.

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https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1325928774612811937

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1317873569673510972

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1259895162860212275

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this is what the Rocky Mountain Goat Range might look like. if it's not perfect Normal, I practice. So tell me what you think.

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That range map is okay but only if all of those areas you highlighted are actually accessible to players. Also there's some other areas that I think are high enough in elevation to have the Mountain Goats.

[strong jewel]

those to the north are more accessible. All the one in the north because I personally did. It seems to me that the south is also a part in all, yes we should try it. Mount Kraken in part. The highest peak. Personally I haven't succeeded yet but I have climbed quite a bit

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There basically all accessible sometimes kind hard tho, but that's mountain hunting irl to if you shoot something you gotta have a plan on retrieving it beforehand

[strong jewel]

so here I don't know if it's perfect but it's the place of the Rocky Mountain Elk. You have the right to disagree. Because honestly I don't think it's suitable

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I liked the og map better but that's up to ew

[strong jewel]

ok because I tried to take inspiration from the reality of where it actually is

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Who cares this is one reserve in Washington they could completely miss or be everywhere

[strong jewel]

It's true, it's just that I would like it to hold together or at least that there is logic in terms of where it is located.

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in blue: The Olympic Marmot
in red: the Rocky Mountain marmot
in yellow: The yellow-bellied marmot

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I support this, wild idea but how about having big horn sheep without a drink time both to get them higher up that would also make the dlc maps more attractive

[strong jewel]

technically it's not crazy, after all snow is water. I am for

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On the other hand, I ask what others use to make their range look pretty because it’s not very pretty.

[strong jewel]

They are cute, the 2 quails nonetheless

[versed hound]

This is great. Hopefully this would also give bighorns a remodel if it happens

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Yes i hope

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Rocky Mountain Bighorn sheep or California Bighorn sheep

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The Mackenzie wolf

I tried to base myself on the real distribution of species so I hope I did well, I hope it fits well and yes if the Mackenzie wolf is found on the map in low numbers, from this sue I I saw it is rare in this region

[dull citrus]

"Canada Bighorn"? Depending on which classification is used the bighorn sheep that live in Layton Lakes are either Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep (scientific classification) or California Bighorn Sheep (classification used by organizations like the Grand Slam Club and Safari Club International), not "Canada Bighorn Sheep"

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Ok thank you I must have made a mistake on the name of the species I will correct that immediately

it's ok I modified if I was wrong about anything else, don't hesitate to let me know

well it's late there i am. so I'm sorry if I don't answer right away

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Red : sooty grouse
Yellow : dusky grouse.

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Want them

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I based myself on these maps. the coastal one is the sooty and the inland one is the dusky

the same since I saw what they look like, so beautiful and cute.

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My only question would be if they would be inverted on the map because the other coastal species like blacktail and Roosevelt deer are in the east of the map

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ha ok so this means that where I colored in yellow it is more the sauty and in red therefore more the dusky. Does it make more sense like that?

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Yeah kinda but kinda not gut as this would be coastal map I would be fine if they just included sooty grouse and had dusky grouse on another Map like srp

[strong jewel]

ok I keep it anyway? The dusky one

The white-tailled ptarmigan

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Ooh white tailed ptarmigan are cool af

As they are high alpine on this map and this is in late fall I'd like to see them have white and barely not white as the Commons (like bellow) and darker mostly gray colours as rare

Rares could more look like tbis

[strong jewel]

Red : The California quail
Yellow : The Mountain quail

you should know that the California quail can climb up to 2000 m in altitude while the mountain quail has a maximum of 3000 m in altitude, so perhaps not at the very top of the mountains either but at least they are there where there is quite a bit of relief

Mountain Lion, remember in low population

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The american badger.

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The Bufflehead

Rio Grande's Turkey

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Ooh I'd love em

[proven topaz]

If you want to split the map's animal ranges up that way, we should also split the (hypothetical) ranges of Mule Deer and Blacktail Deer the same way, along with the 2 elk subspecies. Realistically, Mule Deer and Rocky Elk would fit better on the eastern half of the reserve, with Blacktails and Roosevelt Elk in the west.

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This is what I wanted to do at the beginning, but I said to myself that perhaps redoing the populations might be complicated. But I'm going to do the Rocky Mountain Elk one again.

Green the Roosevelt Elk and purple the Rocky Mountain elk

American Wigeon

The American Porcucine. do not hesitate to say if this suits you or if I need to remove places which seem not to be their habitat, if they are more mountain animals etc...

The Mule deer

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I think when adding many species a complete reset would be necessary

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My support! #1316523455822299158

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it's roughly true, we don't have to put all these species at the same time, I said to myself to make one or 2 specimens (one large and one small) every 2-3 years

I thought of you when I did it, I hope I did it well

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This is all just my own opinion, but personally I think your backfilling suggestion has a lot of things that I would change. I think it's too broad. All of Layton has pretty much the same three biomes (lowland marshes and aspen forest, evergreen coniferous forest, and Subalpine Larch/Spruce forest), with none of the drier regions further east of the Cascades being well-represented, which are where some of these species you mentioned tend to be found in the Pacific Northwest.

As a result, I would personally prefer Layton without species like the Rocky Mountain Elk or Mule Deer. The map has more than enough antlered animals already, and I really don't think it needs more. Adding more will clutter the map a bit too much with animals that fill the exact same roles as existing ones.

As for Grouse species, the ones I'd want on Layton are the Ruffed Grouse and Sooty Grouse, with the Ruffed Grouse being found in the aspen groves and the Sooty Grouse in the more coniferous forests, similar to their respective habitats in the Pacific Northwest irl. Having both species of Blue Grouse (the Dusky and Sooty) on the same map is not a great idea, because they are very similar to one another and it's actually pretty difficult to tell them apart irl. To help them to feel more like different animals, I'd put the Dusky Grouse exclusively on Silver Ridge Peaks, and have the Sooty Grouse on Layton.

Also I think three marmot species is a bit too much, having just the Hoary Marmot would be fine. The map also doesn't need two different turkey species either imo, just the Merriams is fine (or they could just completely replace the Merriam's Turkeys with Rio Grande Turkeys I guess). I also wouldn't support adding wolves to Layton unless they get changed to have much more realistic behavior, because their aggression and pack hunting currently would make them a bad choice for a beginner's map.

Everything else in your original post is stuff that I would support adding to the map.

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I understand and I see what you are saying, I don't come from here so I base myself mainly on the maps of the areas where the animals are found, which is why I took the two dusky grouse (including I understand what you mean because what was the hassle of doing the research on them) and then for the wolf I thought of a visual improvement and the intelligence of the AI because it was too aggressive, a real wolf will be afraid of man and will not will attack him very rarely. For the Rocky Mountain Elk, as I often say, there is a lack of species at the tops of the mountains and from what I saw it represented well because they go quite high, it would have been the only deer to be found on the Mountains, it would have been interesting to have the 2 species of elk in a map. For turkeys it is that in the eastern part there are plenty of interesting areas for turkeys (open areas) and there are none, whereas in the game they say which is in the meadows so it is for that a different species of turkeys in an area different from the existing one. Considering that I am not American or English or a hunter, I based myself on what others said where we spoke. I think the word backfilling is a bit confusing, I would say (and I'm going to change it) that it's more of a bestiary of what we can find in this region that could be integrated into the game. Hence the wide range of animals that you talk about and which pose enough problems for you. Finally I base myself more on mountain species because there are a lot of mountainous areas without anything, the 3 species of marmots are made for precisely that, a small mountain species and a large one such as the Rocky Mountain Elk or the Rocky Mountain goats...

It's more in fact a bestiary of what it is possible to see (even if as you say there is not much in terms of biome which is why I have difficulty integrating and make the areas where the animals are located because some it is true that they do not have their respective biomes at least one or 2 but it is not perfect If I had to keep only one marmot I would have taken the Cascades one and that of the Rockies I would have left it for SRP Otherwise I understand your point of view and I agree. It's not because I wrote Backfilling that it means that we will have to add all that next time, no, it does. it's about making an intelligent, natural, thoughtful pick that will adapt well to the visible biomes, the reliefs of the biome world etc....

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the map that Ayoliam showed me for the turkeys, there is still a fairly large part for the Merriam turkey, then if the map seems further south of Washington then yes it is more the Rio Grande's turkey

Bestiary for Layton Lake District

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otherwise like what is written in the newspaper that Cutterito to send, there is a Washington slam where it is e. made the 3 subspecies of turkeys that are hunted. But then yeah, just one species is already good

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Not American so I don't have irl experience but don't dusky grouse have red necks like the dusk and sooty grouse yellow necks you can also look at their tail feathers

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My best marmot picture irl -:)

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So cute

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I see the point in having many species but it's true that Layton lakes is more on the western side of Washington like the Olympian mountains, the cascades and the coast so let me tell you what I personally would add mostly because of range and habitat

-a marmot either hoary marmot or Olympic marmot or both.
-mountain big horn sheep
-rocky mountain goat
-sooty grouse
-mountain quail
-california quail
-ruffed grouse
-spruce grouse

And multiple waterfowl species I can eleberate if you want but mostly American wigeon, northern shoveler, bufflehead, Ross goose.

Wtf is bestiary?

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I haven't yet done for these ducks and goose except for the Bufflehead but otherwise it's further west of Washington I'm going to see what's there there

a book that only talks about animals (in middle age anyway, I don't know what we call this nowadays)

A bestiary is a treatise, a collection on animals. Maybe I'm wrong about the word in English.

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I have never heard of that if I were you I would use backfilling because everyone knows what it is

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yes but a backfilling is normally that the species already present in the game, whereas here it is present species plus new species, like a sort of book on the animals present in Washington hence the fact that I I used this term, if you want I can put the title in:
Bestiary/Backfilling, to make it more understandable to everyone.

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Yeah I would do that also I don't think they ever said that they'd only backfill old species infact I think they planned to do the greater kudu once but scraped the idea

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ok I'm going to do that so everyone will be able to understand

Bestiary/ Backfilling for Layton Lake District

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That's how to tell the differences between the males of both species, but the females of both species look very similar.

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I think that would be a pretty good variety of species to add to Layton

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Fair but that's for many spec is ingame think of the teals

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true, but the Eurasian Teal and Green-Winged Teal are on different maps, which helps to differentiate them a little bit more. The same should be the case if both species of blue grouse are added to the game.

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Yes sure although Id have no problem with both on a bc map yk

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Here is my own concept for how to improve Layton, I thought sharing it here might give EW some more ideas:
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1330035521510178846

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As for the Rocky Mountain Elk, they are only found on the high mountains and the middle parts so there are no Roosevelt elk but if one day we have a map with the 2 it wouldn't bother me and then I would think of something else

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Y not add wolves and mountain lions to Layton lakes

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It's here for the wolf
And mountain lions is the same thing than Cougars, no ?

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exact same thing, so is a puma

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@strong jewel plz stop spamming bump cause it's annoying

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It's just that I don't have much time to develop it, so I just do that. And then it allows it to be visible and if someone has an idea related to it, they can write it and talk about it. The day I have time to do something, I'll stop it, but if it bothers you, you just have to stop looking at this group.

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write something and then deleate it it brings the post up aswell, but dont let it look so spamey 🤫

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I'll find a way but thanks for the info

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The Mackenzie Wolf

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The puma

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This is what i’ve been saying for years!

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They need a rework so bad

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Yes so okey with that

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If you have any ideas, please feel free to share them.

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Maybe now that we have the beaver, we could put it in the Layton Lake district at the same time.

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Hope the beaver Come in the same time in this map

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I think I forgot about small animals, like the gray squirrel.

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The dusky grouse is confirmed. So here it is if they decide to backfill it to Layton Lake District even if I know that some are not fans of this part of the idea. And for the newcomers, I put all the possibilities, all the hypotheses. So these are possibilities and hypotheses so obviously, all that you see is not at all obligatory. It's just in case.

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I'd prefer to see the Dusky Grouse on SRP, it fits better there. Sooty Grouse would fit better on Layton because they live in many of the same areas as Blacktail Deer and Roosevelt Elk.

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Dusky Grouse and Sooty Grouse

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Yes, if there is a Scooty or other model that can replace it, they could probably install it. As for the Wood Duck, I don't know if it is present in the Washington area. Would it be suitable for this map?

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In any case, they remain very, very, very beautiful animals.

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Wood Ducks would fit in on Layton, yes

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We know there is Dusky Grouse on Alberta map and in the future there will be Sooty Grouse (same model and reskin)

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Snow Geese would also fit in on Layton, assuming that Layton Lake is near the west coast of Washington state and therefore would be part of the Pacific Flyway

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layton seems to be closer to the coast than the mainland i guess so yes on one hand the scooty is better for layton lake district.

I had done the distribution of these birds when I was making the different maps to say where it is etc... It doesn't seem to me.

So the wood duck ( ok it's maybe not perfect

The snow geese ( I honestly don't know where to put it, since I understood where we see them, but since we are more on a mountainous map and not in a more hilly map I find that there is not enough wet meadow or if the river which crosses the map is indeed marshes and not something else so if that does not correspond, tell me)

[strong jewel]

Please let me know if you have any other suggestions or if I need to improve anything.

[rose crane]

why is it called beastiary? it doesent make sense for me, like maybe it has an another meaning i dont know?

[strong jewel]

Bestiary because it means a collection of animals, but my goal is to show the different species of animals that can be put in this map. It's a kind of bestiary in itself. At least in my opinion. You're not the only one who has a problem with this word, Bestiary, what do you think it means?

In literature, a bestiary refers to a medieval manuscript containing fables and morals about "beasts," real or imaginary animals. By extension, a bestiary is a work devoted to beasts.

This is to emphasize the fact that my goal is not to say that all of these species MUST be present in this map but that they CAN be present.

[rose crane]

that was exactly how i knew it (or atleast what the meaning the google translater gave me )

[strong jewel]

OK, maybe he expressed himself badly in this post where it is difficult to see this bestiary part that this can disturb or at least ask the question of why this word

[strong jewel]

Tomorrow we might have the last animals to discover, no doubt some will be visible on this map.

[verbal garden]

I still believe no one besides you understands the bestiary part

[strong jewel]

yet it's not that complicated, the bestiary is a writing about different animals with images. Here it is a writing about different animals with an example of distribution certainly not perfect but it is still an example. In both cases it is written and it talks about animals, you just have to not rack your brains.

[strong jewel]

Now that the pintail duck is announced, we can say that it can also be found here, in the same areas as where we can see the mallards.

[strong jewel]

I hope their made a few backfill animals for this map much in montains area.

[silent ice]

The California Bighorn Sheep, I want it added to the mountain area. And the Mountain Goat also be added.

[strong jewel]

It's true that if they do a backfill for Layton Lake District, you have to focus on the mountains, there are so many mountainous areas in this map but empty without anything

[strong jewel]

Make sure that Layton's mountains are useful for something, after all they form almost half of the map so half of it is devoid of life, which is a shame.

[strong jewel]

It would also be cool to rework animals like the Roosevelt Elk, because the Manitoba Elk is very very beautiful

[verbal garden]

Ik we've talked about this but there's also ptarmigan (white tailed up there) and to a lesser extent but in the more grassy scrubby mountain areas which are still pretty dead also sooty grouse

[strong jewel]

Yes, I remember, it's true that the mountains of the Layton Lake District are not bushy enough, they have no grass and there is only snow.

[verbal garden]

Spruce (franklins?!?) grouse and ruffed grouse would work great in those mid elevation forests especially the coniferous ones.
Last but not least I think California quail would work super good in the very lowlands around where all the rivers and marshes are.

[verbal garden]

There are very bushy and grassy areas just a bit lower, it's a transition, I think the mountains on Layton are done pretty well and realistically (looking at you sundarpatan)

[strong jewel]

yes it's true mii I was talking especially about the peaks, when you really go to the very top otherwise there is enough vegetation and when I look at the real place which is inspired by it it looks like it I think. why is Sunderpatan not perfect?

[verbal garden]

Because the peaks are filled with shrubs and forests and grass, real mountains just become rock and snow at some point if they go high enough

[strong jewel]

Oh yes, that's true, I forgot that, it's true that it's full of trees and grass at the very top

[verbal garden]

No it isn't, Layton's mountains are some of the most realistic in the game, may be after the awaroa

[strong jewel]

and also one of the most beautiful in my opinion

[strong jewel]

imagine there climbing the mountains of Layton lake district 😍

[strong jewel]

a beautiful bird for a beautiful map

[summer anvil]

mississippi acres fs

[strong jewel]

It would be interesting to have rather mountainous animals for this map being access more to the mountain than to the plain. Or to increase the possibility if it is possible in real life the maximum level where an animal can be seen in the heights of the mountains. Because it is a shame to climb such beautiful mountains without having life.

[summer anvil]

Yeah they are like half the size of map in total, so mountain goats can definetly work, ruffed grouse and ptarmigan also maybe, what else?

[strong jewel]

Rocky Mountain elk (although many don't really agree about another deer), bighorn sheep, probably mountain lions, and I may have forgotten a few

[summer anvil]

Mountain lions could probably work, bighorn sheep are already on other maps, and rocky mountain elk could work as well

[strong jewel]

Mountain goats i want them so much in this map

[summer anvil]

They’d go really well with it

[strong jewel]

Here is another example of a huntable bird in Washington State, the Canvasbacks.

[strong jewel]

a photo of a Cascade red fox, the subspecies native to Washington state

[strong jewel]

So awesome😍

[strong jewel]

some birds like grouse or other land birds could be a bit fun for this map

[summer anvil]

Spruce grouse i think

[strong jewel]

I hope that if one day they make a map with Roosevelt's Wapiti, that it has the same modifications as the last map because I found it very successful.

[summer anvil]

Yes

[strong jewel]

I would have liked to see a species of wolf, but well they would have to be made either less aggressive or just no wolves in this map. But that is weird since we hear them at night. But yes I would have liked a subspecies of the wolf or to see the Canadian wolf if I remember correctly, that is the one we find here.

[summer anvil]

Yeah but other places that have wolves much irl (Germany for example) doesn’t have them and i have seen suggestions which i agree with that this is a beginner map, having wolves on it would not be ideal for new players

[strong jewel]

That's true, so why not small animals like American badgers or marmots? In any case, small creatures to bring these ancient mountains more to life, or even more.

[summer anvil]

Definetly agree

[strong jewel]

some bird species could also be interesting, I'm more land bird than duck but hey this could be interesting

[summer anvil]

Yeah, ducks can be fun at times as well imo

[verbal garden]

I do not know about how it's in the us but the German distribution of wolves is very patchy so it isn't unlikely thes just aren't present in Hirsch, especially with local pressure from farmers and such.

[summer anvil]

Is this recent? I have seen a documentary about wolves in Germany and they seemed to be doing quite well, but that of course doesn’t have to mean they’re abundant. Idk about general US but Alaska ought to have more amounts of Wolves considering the mostly undisturbed wildlife there

[verbal garden]

There's been a lot more recently but mostly in the east and north and not so many in the south (where Hirsch clearly is)

There is quit a large debate on wolves in Germany because they like to eat livestock so they are very controversial. Especially because there is 2000 to 3000 wolves concentrated on a relatively small strip which is a lot for such a small nation with so little old habitat remaining

[summer anvil]

I’m pretty sure Hirschfelden is meant to be a mix of central european countries, though it is on Germany somewhat on the map, it’s what i’ve came to understand. They do tend to name places with german words though, reserve name also being that

[verbal garden]

It generally is supposed to be that but overall it strongly looks like the south Germany/Switzerland/Austria area

[summer anvil]

Yeah true, easier to refer to it as mostly Germany, though it technically is made up. If i’m not mistaken wolves have been in Germany as long as the Red Deer

[verbal garden]

Wolves have been extinct in Germany until less then 30 years ago

[summer anvil]

But 30 years ago and back they’ve been there, right?

[verbal garden]

What? No before 30 years ago they were extinct for over a 100 years, just as lynx were

[summer anvil]

Ohh ok, sorry i misread

[strong jewel]

after what he can put directly if they do a backfilling it is undoubtedly another type of turkey, because we can find another one here, or at least a bird that we see very little in the maps of the game.

[summer anvil]

Which is?

[strong jewel]

The Rio grande wild turkey

[summer anvil]

I’d rather the Merriam get remodeled, two turkeys for a map is unneccessary

[strong jewel]

after maybe a bovid if it's possible, but it seems to me that no, would be cool to have, personally I like bovids, even if I know that all the maps can't have them, but hey, if there exists (in my memories, no) a bovid around this place why not.

[verbal garden]

Do you mean with bovid species of bovidae in general (any horned animal, like gazelle, sheep, cattle) or do specifically mean bovids in the sense of cattle?

[dull citrus]

An important distinction to make

[strong jewel]

Yes bovids in the sens of cattle. I forgot to mention this, in fact, sorry. But then I like all bovids in general, whether gazelles or sheep.

[verbal garden]

I think in north America there is just bison and maybe some feral cattle no?

[strong jewel]

I think so, that's why I'm probably wondering if there's something else, but well, what's more, in my memories there are no plains or forest bison, I'd have to look if it's known for these wild cattle

[silent ice]

The Layton Lakes District is claiming 10 more species, just like Asky Ridge Hunting Preserve.

[strong jewel]

The question is who will be his 10 animals

[strong jewel]

If you had to choose at least 10 animals from all those mentioned, which ones would you choose? Personally, I would have added some birds of all kinds. I would have focused on mountainous areas with at least 2-3 species including rocky mountain goats, marmot(s) and probably another goat species. Then the rest would be small creatures like badgers, probably another species of rabbit (even if I'm not a fan).

[strong jewel]

It would be cool to add more life in the mountainous areas and some little critters in the forests.

[summer anvil]

Yes, because the mountains are half the map

[strong jewel]

Exactly

[strong jewel]

It might be interesting to see the beavers on this map.

[strong jewel]

Why not this good looking animal

[strong jewel]

It would be cool to see him. The Northe. Shoveler. He's very funny. It has subspecies that also have beautiful plumage.

[strong jewel]

Don't worry, he's smiling.

[strong jewel]

My last post was about the American badger, and now we have the European one, so we'll probably see it one day.

[strong jewel]

Why not now that we also have the little American mink.

[strong jewel]

The american mink and pine marten can could be backfilled in Layton Lake district

[strong jewel]

the ruffed grouse, or the cousin of the dilophosaurus.

[strong jewel]

The good looking Colombian Sharp-tailed grouse

[strong jewel]

Why not the Fisher and the Wolverine in the Layton Lake district? I could be talking nonsense, though. If they're aggressive animals (judging by the look of one of them, I think so), it could be interesting. From what I've seen, they're visible there. Whether they're rare or just passing through, I haven't found any information on that, sorry.

[dull citrus]

Wolverines are rare in the region Layton Lakes is set and would be a more suitable inclusion on a map like Medved Taiga and Yukon Valley (And would likely be introduced on a future Canadian Reserve). And from what I could find the Fisher is also rare in the area

[strong jewel]

Okay, thank you very much for the information 😀. So I think the best creature of this type that could be in the map is probably the American badger. Or the three species of marmots; I like the idea, it's similar to the ibex in Cuatro Colinas. Or why not the Canadian lynx, but I highly doubt we'd see it in this map.

[strong jewel]

Once again, we're featuring the mountain peaks of this map, but this time in a different style: the white-tailed ptarmigan. Just a very beautiful bird with that plumage, simply wow!

[simple mortar]

Oh yeah Layton and Hirsch badly need a backfill

[strong jewel]

Ok, i finally fall in love of this birds. So awesome. Here the Blue Grouse

[strong jewel]

2-3 birds of the goose or quail type would be good for this map

[strong jewel]

Harlequin Duck needs a remaster, like many other species, so why not focus more on animals that desperately need an overhaul?

[strong jewel]

The Olympic marmot. It's a species endemic to the Olympic Mountains in the region where Layton-Like District is based, Washington. Being endemic to this area and these mountains, this little ball of fur could be a nice addition to the map. We could find it in the higher areas where there's nothing in the base game; at least it would bring a bit of life to the map. Plus, we could perhaps add the recently introduced burrowing system.

[strong jewel]

The Cascade fox, the subspecies of fox found in this area, is very beautiful.

[mild rock]

Aren’t there an only estimated 50-200 individuals left?

[strong jewel]

Yes, 51, absolutely, but well, it's just pretty. Yeah, it's a shame there's only such a small population, but it could be a version like the Bengal tiger. Just 12 of these individuals, very rare to find. But yeah, there aren't many of these creatures, unfortunately. But sightings that are difficult to find, probably a bit more.

[mild rock]

Fair, I wouldn’t hold my breath on seeing them in game though, even the endangered species this game features have populations in the thousands

[strong jewel]

For the mountains, the bighorn sheem could be a wonderful choice.