#Arms & Ammo Update (summer 2025)

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worn basin
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Several of us in both #1241002536262172795 and #1195097534239088720 have been going back and forth on this for months now.

We've been debating everything from the caliber to the weight of the individual bullet and it's effect on animals. Ultimately this entire argument is pointless because we have no idea what the Developers want to hear from us.

The best way I can see for us to agree on this is a community vote. We need a list of Weapons first, the first few calibers the devs can start working on, and polls to see what classes we want those Weapons to cover
<please make these polls emote only to prevent massive arguments >

For example: The Hudzik muzzleloader has two ammunition types that cover separately class ranges, is this something we want applied to all the weapons?

YES ✅️
NO 🚫

These types of polls could show changes the vast majority of the player base really want to see and give the Devs active feedback to improve the game.

Please consider this, thank you for your time

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By the way, ✅

neat iron
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I think the worst offender and first on the chopping block should be .300WM

astral kelp
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✅

worn basin
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Should the .300 Canning Magnum be changed to:

Classes 5-8: 1
*Classes 6-9: 2
Or *Classes 4-8 with soft point ammunition and 6-9 with polymer tipped ammunition *?

full rock
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Voting yes because different grain bullets with different prices would hurt nothing.

worn basin
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Man I hope this actually helps

full rock
astral kelp
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• 300WM ✅ 3: (4-8/6-9)

worn basin
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This would have made so much more sense if I wasn't standing on my barn roof watching out for wolves like a paranoid meerkat with a .300 WM

ripe sinew
ripe sinew
worn basin
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A 250 grain soft point 4-7 and a 430 hard cast 7-9 would make the .45-70 so much more fun as long as each ammo was really focused on their classes

neat iron
astral kelp
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• 22-250 - (55gr 2-3/ 90gr 4-5)
• .223 - (55gr 2-3)
• 22H - (35gr 1-3)
• 22lr - (40gr 1)
• .243 - (55gr 2-3/ 100gr 4-6)
• 270 - (96gr 2-3/ 140gr 4-6/ 160gr 7-8)
• 30-06 - (110gr 3/ 165gr 4-6, 220gr 7-8)
• 30-30 - (125gr 3/ 160gr 4-6/ 190gr 7)
• 303 - (150gr 3-6/ 180gr 7-8)
• 308 - (110gr 2-3/ 168 4-6/ 220gr 7-8)
• 300 - (150gr 4/ 178gr 5-7/ 200gr 8-9)
• 338 - (180gr 6/ 225gr 7-8/ 300gr 9)
• .45 Slug (PCP) - (196gr 2-3/ 265gr 4-5 / 350gr 6)
• 45-70 - (250gr 4-7/ 430gr 7-9)
• 470 - (500gr Soft 8/ 500gr Hardcast 9-10)
• .50cal BlackPowder - (Ball 3-7/ Slug: 250gr 4-6/385gr 7-8)
• .50cal Inline - (Sabot: 250gr 4-6/ 340gr 7-8)
• 577/450 - (480gr)
• 6.5x55 - (100gr 3/ 125gr 4-6/ 140gr 7)
• 7.62x54R - (110gr 2-3/ 180gr 4-6/ 220gr 7-8)
• 7mm - (120gr 3/ 168gr 4-6/ 185gr 7-8)
• 9.3x74R - (250gr 7-8/ 286gr 9)

• 300Blkout - (110gr 2-3/ 135gr 4-5/ 220gr 6)
• 450Bush - (250gr 3-5/ 300gr 6-7)
• 375H&H - (260gr 4-6/ 300gr 7-10)

✅ Yes or 🚫 No

astral kelp
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Shotgun
Gauge Birdshot TSS: (Turkey) GXP: (Goose) Buck Slug
• 410 (1-3) 1 1 1 1-2 2-3
• 28 (1-4) 1 1 1 2 2-4
• 20 (1-5) 1 1 1 2-3 2-5
• 16 (1-6) 1 1 1 2-3 3-6
• 12 (1-7) 1 1 1 3-5 3-7
• 10 (1-8) 1 1 1 3-6 4-8
• 8 (4-9) X X X 4-7 5-9 • 4 (5-10) X X X 5-8 6-10

✅ Yes 🚫 No

worn basin
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The first five rifles I really badly want to see reworked are. In order of importance to me.

Whitlock .30-30
Coachmate .45-70
.270 Huntsman
Canning .300 Magnum
7mm bolt and break action

I say 7mm because that thing is absolutely NOT a dangerous game rifle in any sense

worn basin
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I'd love to see the ability to swap calibers per each weapon, it's an idea I'm mildly obsessed with tbh.

half birch
worn basin
half birch
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full rock
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Some of the DG you put there should be in large game

astral kelp
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✅ 270 2-7 (96gr 2-3/ 140gr 4-6/ 160gr 7)

full rock
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Dangerous game and weight aren’t related, a giraffe is just considered plains game I’m pretty sure despite weighing up to 4,000 pounds. People hunt them with the .300 as well since their bodies are not very tough

astral kelp
# full rock Some of the DG you put there should be in large game

This how they are defined, doesn't mean I agree with it. Ammo is also defined as such according to manufactures ammo rating. I kept it as they are as a neutral point over personal experience as every shooter/hunter will have a different opinion. 300WM has Dangerous game loads as well 220gr bonded for dangerous game.

full rock
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I’m not sure I understand. Dangerous game isn’t my opinion, it’s by the countries law.

astral kelp
# full rock I’m not sure I understand. Dangerous game isn’t my opinion, it’s by the countrie...

The animals listed in dangerous game are classified as such. If it were me any large predator from Wolves to Tigers would fall in this category. Giraffes are 4klbs and bonded/hardcast are rated for that size game by the manufacture. If you go off of the logic they are weaker; than a 50cal pcp/air bolt would be a 10 tier as they can harvest cape buffalo. I dont see this being practical just bc it can, so I listed as they are actually classified/certified as. By African law 375H&H is minimum if I recall for what ppl are calling Tier Class 10 (Game Mechanic) when in reality game animals are not defined by class number but by categories.

astral kelp
full rock
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I’m pretty sure they’re defined by the bullet you hunt them with. Lions are class 9 because people hunt them with .470, saltwater crocodile are class 8 because despite weighing 4x as much people don’t really hunt them with Nitro express guns

astral kelp
full rock
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Are you talking about the Hornady website icons? Because DGS (dangerous game solid) and DGX (dangerous game eXpanding) are actual "dangerous game" rated bullets.

astral kelp
full rock
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Oh, I get what you're saying now. Yea, of course real game isn't classed as a tier this that the third. I understand what you're suggesting a bit better now

astral kelp
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😅 Sorry

worn basin
worn basin
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THREAD POLL

For the Summer update of 2025, would you rather see a :

1️⃣: Total rework of classes for weapons and animals

2️⃣: Rework of specific individual weapons and damage models

3️⃣: An entirely new scoring system that involves updates for all the weapons including base game?

This is my own curiosity so no major reason to get involved but thanks anyway

worn basin
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Are there any weapons you'd like to see totally deleted from the game files and rebuild using the skills and technologies they have now?

.30-30 and .45-70 rifles for me

ripe sinew
astral kelp
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neat iron
worn basin
astral kelp
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👆 Love all of these but they need reworked.

worn basin
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Yeah, pretty much every gun needs something done

astral kelp
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I'm expecting the Community Pack will also be accurate like the 7.62x54R was. After having a really good year of content. 🤞they keep it up & follow up with adjustments we'd like to see with other calibers in an update.

ripe sinew
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OH HOW COULD I FORGET THIS

buckshot of all kinds

astral kelp
worn basin
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worn basin
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I can't really imagine anyone complaining if they just made all the ammo as effective as the handgun ammo

astral kelp
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Authentic Game categories with REALISTIC caliber coverage with buffs &/or adjustments accurately it'd be perfect. I doubt folks would care if multiple calibers cover multiple game with accurate performance across the board. The difficulty should be in the HUNT not our EQUIPMENT.

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.......unless they include environment/weather hazards being a factor such as injuries: ex. Broken bones, hyperthermia, heatstroke, camo detection etc. At that point give us hardcore mode wear our equipment is a difficulty like irl 🤔

worn basin
astral kelp
astral kelp
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If I'm being honest, I'd love a 2nd title where we have to properly equip ourselves for a hunt and be flown, boated, driven to a location/reserve and actually hunt and survive the environment with authenticity. Much like an isolated off grid Alaskan hunt where you have to camp, eat, hydrate in the wilderness. That includes dressing your harvests to eat, filter water, staying warm etc. Reserves have a Wardens office, Shop, Garage, & lookout points but no outposts. Instead, you build your own upgradable camps as your outposts anywhere in the field. Hunting game still provides funds but $$$ is more fluid going towards supplies, equipment, gear, weapons, etc. Ea. Map is unique with new challenges such as climate, dangers, & of course various difficulties in game. Upon dressing game you have the option to either Butcher or Mount the animal.....Idk it might be a big ask but to me immersion is everything 😅

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I guess 2 different game modes: (• Off-grid: Hardcore Survival) as I explained 👆 & (• Base Game) were its similar to what we have now but improved. - TheHunter: Return to the Wilds

worn basin
worn basin
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THREAD POLL
(This time I really want to know)

Taking the handgun ammo as the standard, would anyone be opposed to all rifles having that level of penetration and effect on animals?

Yes or No and if no then why?

full rock
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Yes. Handguns have insane penetration for gameplay purposes. If they had objectively worse stats than rifles, why carry them for defense?

And also because I actually like that every shot isn't through one side and out the other, it gives different rifles a purpose.

worn basin
# full rock Yes. Handguns have insane penetration for gameplay purposes. If they had objecti...

Because they're lighter, faster, and higher capacity than most rifles. I'm not saying they'd be totally swamped, I wouldn't expect more penetration than handguns considering the differences in how they play/work irl.

But if say 2-6 had the same penetration as the .357/.45 out at 200yds? They'd feel like real and proper rifles. 4-8 rifles matching up with the .44/Moradi, and 7-9 matching .454?

The rifles would feel like they were working perfectly and still be balanced with the handguns. Only one of which is meant specifically as a defensive weapon (the 10mm)

Sure some people would choose to carry a rifle but there's also the fact that weight heavily favors the pistols, they should have a faster aiming speed and reloads as well

full rock
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idk bro, I wouldn't like it if the you can just texas heart shot moose no problem

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it would make the game so much easier than it already is if you can just whip through all the bones and organs and every 7-9 basically has 100 penetration like the .470

regal apex
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ADD A 20MM

worn basin
# full rock it would make the game so much easier than it already is if you can just whip th...

OK not so much a perfect mirror but nearly as much, tbh you do get total pass throughs with almost any rifle at decent ranges (200-250) so it's not really unusual to see it. The point of ding it this way is to make all the guns realistically effective and still leave a place for handguns to shine.

I'd expect less penetration on larger animals but something like the .338 should absolutely be able to pass through a broadside shot on a moose at 200. Texas heart shots aren't even that effective unless you have an overpower round for what you are hunting

full rock
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The point wasn't a texas heart shot specifically, it was not having to care about a broadside shot/having amazing penetration for any angle

worn basin
full rock
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I mean for some stuff yea, like how moose you can't really get more than single lung for, but their demise is still realistic. They run like 70 yards and then die.

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I was hunting cape buffalo with the 9.3 last night and I tried to use soft points, I was streaming to my friends and it seemed like I got a perfect lung shot and then a perfect followup, but neither shot penetrated (it was like 60 meters away). I thought it was kind of cool since irl you do have that problem with cape buffalo's immense ribcage. Now I know not to use 9.3 soft points for capes in my gameplay. Same with how the .300 kind of struggles with them currently (at least from what I'm told)

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if that got ruined it would lessen the experience for me. That's just my player experience personally though

worn basin
astral kelp
# worn basin I'm not even hesitating to pay a 100.00 US for that game. If all the weapons fun...

(Not to be a downer) but I brought it up because of Ultimate Hunting. Release is still TBD 2025/2026 but the Dev logs are posted going into the depth being implemented into it in its development from various racks, leaving a fresh kill to attract predators, bucks in rut clashing, age, 30+ game in a map the list goes on to even weapon attachments 😓. As I said I love Call of the Wild but I fear its popularity & progress is going to be short lived if UH delivers. Which is why I hope EW has a new title in the works to keep the franchise alive with a new engine to expand advanced features.

astral kelp
# worn basin OK not so much a perfect mirror but nearly as much, tbh you do get total pass th...

For this I'd like to see distance being a factor between soft & polymer tips. Soft points should be effective close and lose effectiveness with distance were polymer is opposite where it has a higher chance to penetrate through at close range and expand & penetrate less at further range. Of course this will vary between calibers but the current mechanics as you mentioned between pistol & rifles is all over the place as an example rather than being fluid and consistent. Ea. Weapon pk seems to outperform previous ones like a buff/nerf effect 🤔?

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full rock
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I highly doubt ultimate hunting will knock out cotw.

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It's probably too realistic for some people. You need to carry out your harvests it looks like, eat, drink, pack luggage, etc...

I don't think that's everyones cup of tea lol

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I plan to get the game but my point above stands.

worn basin
astral kelp
# full rock It's probably *too* realistic for some people. You need to carry out your harves...

I'm not saying it will be snuffed out right away, but it will decline by a large margin. UH has 75% of features folks want & its running on Unreal 5 with up to 30 huntable game in the California location alone thats not including Africa which has elephants on day 1 that nearly 1400 upvotes have been begging for.....The odds arent looking good for EW if UH delivers on release. CotW is 8yrs old running on an old engine its fair to say they have maybe 2-3 years left. As a company and as a franchise developer I'd like to hope they are working or at the very least considering a new title. All my point was if they do I'd like to see 2 game modes (Off-grid: Hardcore Survival) as I explained 👆 & (• Base Game) were its similar to what we have now but improved. They can still keep the gameplay ppl love but tweak it and have advanced features on an engine with better graphics and tools.

slim matrix
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full rock
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Ultimate hunting isn't really perfect either. Transition in the animations are janky and as a 3d modeler I think there's some flaws especially in texture stretching with some of the species.

I'll love to play it but I just don't think it will kill cotw, same way that WOTH did not.

astral kelp
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I know Jaxy mentioned WotH & I believe UH as well and the studio is giving them a 👍 on there success but EW will still push on with there content and gameplay to there franchise. Which is fantastic bc I love TheHunter games alot I just dont want them to wait too long to make a move moving fwd.

astral kelp
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Thats all I'm saying really, for now I'm 90% happy with CotW. I'd like to see more authentic behaviors, caliber game ranges expanded a bit, & most of all more ways to predator hunt. They pass these 3 checks 98% happy overall for a possible 10yr title.

worn basin
astral kelp
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If EW used Unreal 5 it could dominate

worn basin
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The graphics don't make a huge difference for me, not as much as the freedom offered by the weapon system and the mechanics of actually having to take care of yourself and of the trophy you take. I don't think it'll stop anyone from playing cotw or woth but it'll be something different that takes up a lot of attention being showered on these games for a while

astral kelp
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I'm referring to another title not a whole game remaster 😅 btw with the new engine. But I do agree with you. As an immersion player I prefer well designed mechanics and driven gameplay more than anything. But related to@full rock statement earlier he is right that UH's realism gameplay isn't going to apply to everyone as the game could be too in-depth for some players.

astral kelp
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Didn't mean to get off topic of the thread but I felt it was worth mentioning since were begging for ammo authenticity among other related features to be considered with EW's TheHunter franchise.

full rock
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full rock
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Sadly there's no leopards or rhinoceros it seems, but as long as they add a double barrel elephant rifle and kodiak or polar bears in the longrun I'll probably prefer the game over cotw, as well as having places to showcase trophies is extremely important too

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The game also is emphasizing "This is virtual and we dont care if species are endangered" in their trailer, so that level of immersion with tigers (hey, maybe theyre saving leopards for the idea of that map) is pretty top tier.

astral kelp
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I was never a fan of CotW's limited model game and the medal system. I sim hunt so its never been an issue for me. But UH will have various antlers & ages which is more stimulating to me in that respect bc your lodge will also have various trophies not 6 models.

full rock
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Yea fair. The only thing I do not like is the bankruptcy aspect and food. If it's like fishing planet where hunting trips are expensive and then you basically have to go back to square one if you go broke is not fun to me

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full rock
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Yea ofc

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maybe along with all the noise generated in #1195097534239088720 along with the competition of what UH is doing, it might encourage that dangerous 7 slew

astral kelp
# full rock maybe along with all the noise generated in <#1195097534239088720> along with th...

Its hard to say I've brought these features up b4 and lets just say it didn't go over well bk then. Months later UH has blog posts showing exactly what I suggested to add more racks in the game. Its crazy wrapping my head around it.. Everything from feeding ai with scans to randomize antler size, width, height, & aging blows my mind its actually being applied to a competitor title in the genre.

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But I think Africa 2.0 will be next year. We have the 375H&H coming, new scopes and the devs are hinting like crazy they have mind blowing content that will surprise us this year. Knowing that much I'm expecting 1 more dlc leaning that way aside from the community weapon pack. I almost forgot to mention the latest survey also asked what order we wanted reserves. If nothing else its defn. coming soon.

worn basin
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#1250061263019573339

What do you guys think of switching between 3 different calibers for each rifle?

(Example. Huntsman rifle is .270, and since they all use the same case, it could be swapped to .30-06 and .35 Whelen

worn basin
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Bump

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vernal salmon
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Don't soft points and polymer tips do the exact opposite things in real life that they do in game? Polymer tips afaik are hollow points with a plastic tip to improve ballistics, they expand much faster in the body than soft points, which expand decently but penetrate more

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Polymer tips should have a greater effective range than soft points, maybe 20-50 meters more, but expand more than they penetrate. Soft points should be the penetrator round, but they should expand a bit still

worn basin
vernal salmon
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Are there public design documents to explain why they chose to misrepresent the ammo types they've added

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They've got other ammo types correct, but all the rifle ammo has this issue

worn basin
vernal salmon
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I've made one in the past

worn basin
vernal salmon
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btw I'm going on my first deer hunt next month and the ammo the program provides for us is 7mm-08 soft points

astral kelp
half birch
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was using a 20 guage bolt action btw

astral kelp
lime tundra
worn basin
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Closer shots make it worse too, you get overconfident quick

half birch
# worn basin Closer shots make it worse too, you get overconfident quick

it was probably the most surreal moment of my life
like here i am on my 3rd hunt expecting to see something at somepoint and 10 minutes later 3 does show up
bro i couldnt decide which one to shoot 😭 😂
cause there was one standing right in the open giving a really good angle then a bigger one hidden behind a tree
and i couldnt tell if that one was a buck or not so i hesitated on shooting the one in the open

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and we spooked two big deer on the way in

worn basin
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The closer you get the harder the panic sets in. Idk what anyone else calls it but I've always heard the term buck fever.

I've run into animals at close range and failed spectacularly. Including emptying the mag of my .30-30 when I walked into a bear at 10 yards without firing a shot

half birch
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wait without firing a shot? lol

half birch
worn basin
# half birch wait without firing a shot? lol

Yes, and the bear stood there looking at me like "what's this idiot doing?" The entire time. Then it just walked away. BTW I've never admitted this before and it happened about ten years ago

astral kelp
half birch
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lmao