BEST BACKFILLING 🗺

[knotty stirrup]

Species of the Reserves:

• Hirschfelden Hunting Reserve -> 11
• Layton Lake District -> 12
• Medved Taiga National Park -> 10
• Vurhonga Savanna -> 11
• Parque Fernando, Patagonia -> 10
• Yukon Valley Natural Reserve -> 11
• Cuatro Colinas Reserve -> 13
• Silver Ridge Peaks -> 11
• Te Awaroa National Park -> 10
• Rancho del Arroyo -> 11
• Mississippi Acres Preserve -> 13
• Revontuli Coast -> **19 **
• New England Mountains -> 15
• Emerald Coast, Australia -> 14
• Sundarpatan Hunting Reserve -> 13
• Salzwiesen Park -> 15
• Askiy Ridge Hunting Preserve -> 19
• Scotland Hunting Estate -> 17

Hirschfelden 🇩🇪

• Mouflon ( class 4 )
• Western Capercaillie ( class 1 )

Layton Lake District 🇺🇸

• Mountain Lion ( class 5 ) - low population
• Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep ( class 5 )
• Mountain Goat ( class 4 )

Medved Taiga 🇷🇺

• Mountain Hare ( class 1 )
• Taiga Bean Goose ( class 1 )

Vurhonga Savanna 🇧🇼

• Blesbok ( class 4 )
• Egyptian Goose ( class 1 )

[Note]: Remove the Eurasian Wigeon.

Parque Fernando 🇦🇷/🇨🇱

• Feral Goat ( class 3 )
• European Hare ( class 1 )

Yukon Valley 🇺🇸

• Black Bear ( class 7 )
• Willow Ptarmigan ( class 1 )
• Goldeneye ( class 1 )

Cuatro Colinas 🇪🇸

• Fallow Deer ( class 4 )
• Red-Legged Partridge ( class 1 )

Silver Ridge Peaks 🇺🇸

• Coyote ( class 2 )
• White-Tailed Jackrabbit ( class 1 )

Rancho del Arroyo 🇲🇽

• Plains Bison ( class 9 )

Mississippi Acres 🇺🇸

• Mallard ( class 1 )
• Wood Duck ( class 1 )
• Gadwall ( class 1 )

[edgy urchin]

I'd love to see blesbok

I can't help but think sheep on some of these maps like layton would seem crammed though, the terrain just doesn't seem fitting for hunting them on to me.

[vale condor]

There’s plenty of room up in the western mountains.

[edgy urchin]

On the westernmost 1/4th of the map, I could see that yea

[knotty stirrup]

I think if they ever did a massive backfilling it would be like this or at least it should be like this because that's how the community asks for it or that's what I think at the moment.

[vale condor]

I’d also they rather add bobcats and coyotes than Canadian geese to Mississippi.

[knotty stirrup]

It would be impossible to add both species, but one of the two could be replaced by the goose, and if one were to be replaced by the goose, it would be the bobcat.

Still, I don't think it's a bad idea to replace the goose with the bobcat.

[vale condor]

It wouldn’t be impossible, especially since bears should have half the numbers they currently do

[knotty stirrup]

You're right, but by reducing their number there would only be room for one species and that would be, in my opinion, the bobcat.

[vale condor]

And then there’s also Fox which should also be slashed.

Raccoon could also be slashed (less so however)

[knotty stirrup]

That's true, the predator populations could be reduced a little except for the raccoon. I think the raccoon is fine, but I still wouldn't see a coyote in Mississippi, but a bobcat would.

[vale condor]

Raccoons definitely could use a population cut but oki!

[knotty stirrup]

I don't think they should reduce their population since it is supposed to be an invasive species and it is a pest, so their population number is well done.

[vale condor]

Raccoons aren’t invasive to the us…

And yes, they are pests but in reality they are much more spread out, raccoons are extremely territorial.

[knotty stirrup]

You're right, but I still think the number of raccoons per map is correct.

[vagrant trout]

Nah, it's really not. You typically see a family group running in a territory of about a half mile, 2-5 animals usually but maybe 8 if they have several pups.

Mississippi has a higher raccoon population and that's totally normal because it's a "lived in" area that they coexist alongside humans in. The trash just means they have easier sources of food and more pups.

The population should be lowered in NEM and any other backfill maps since they're less populated and coons will have less pups in those places.

It should also be a class one animal, never seen anyone shoot them with larger than a .22.

[edgy urchin]

Reason they're not class 1 I assume is because you wouldn't typically hunt them with birdshot

[knotty stirrup]

That would be a good idea but I would bet on innovation, I would make class 1-2 weapons valid for hunting raccoons, that is, you can hunt them with birdshot and with a 243 for example.

[edgy urchin]

You can hunt them with the 22h though, which came with Mississippi atleast.

[slim fern]

I would love if they removed Eurasian Wigeon from Vurhonga for no other reason than they're annoying AF dude. Like, let me hunt my lions in peace, quit your incessant quacking, genuinely one of the biggest turn offs for that map as a whole

[vagrant trout]

Yeah, but larger birdshot works just fine. My dad's hunting buddy liked 4 shot when they hunted over dogs. Granted, he didn't care for pelts/taxidermy.

Coons would also be a good fit on Hirschfelden too, that's one of history's quirks

[edgy urchin]

hirsch raccoons would be a cool backfill

[vagrant trout]

Oh yeah, coyotes should be on Mississippi in place of gray fox or bobcats, both are there but coyotes way outnumber them

[knotty stirrup]

I think that EW opts for the diversity of animals instead of repeating so many animals

[slim fern]

To add on to this, I definitley prefer the diversity, even if it's not totally true to form for the regions they're based on. I love having numerous new/less common species rather than replacing it with one that can be found on several other maps.

[knotty stirrup]

In any case it would be the raccoon dog not the common raccoon

[knotty stirrup]

One thing that I would love for them to do is that in Mississippi they would change the eastern cottontail rabbit for the swamp rabbit and so there is even more diversity, fulfilling what you say and it is in high demand in the community.

[vagrant trout]

We have 5 maps for moose and red deer, coyotes could at least get 3.

And yeah, it would be common raccoons in Hirsch. You can thank Rommel

[slim fern]

If the coyote models got a rework, then I'd be 100% down for this idea, but they're models right now are just plain goofy imo and I really am not loving them. So, if they got a rework that made them more desirable to hunt, I 100% support increasing their presence, but until then, I'd rather push for making them more attractive looking.

[vagrant trout]

More maps they're on the better chance they'll get that remake. Anyway yeah, they look absolutely awful right now. Way too scrawny and starved

[edgy urchin]

Yea this is the rule usually ^

It's either get a new map that they're on or get a great one. I don't think anything's gotten a remake for being a backfill so far

[rose apex]

Coyotes also need to be bumped up to class 3 imo. They're just not THAT small

[knotty stirrup]

yeah, we need a coyote remodel

[burnt frigate]

Absolutely perfect, this is actually making me sad that we don’t have this lol, I want mouron and blesbok

[vagrant trout]

Just a visual aid, blesbok are absolutely class 4 (possibly 3)

[knotty stirrup]

you're right

[knotty stirrup]

The Perfect Backfilling

The Best Backfilling

[vale condor]

I’d keep blesbok at four, considering the calibers most people take them with (being as high as .30–06 or 7mm!)

[edgy urchin]

Yea I agree. That's what my uncle shot his blesbok with (30-06)

[vagrant trout]

Apparently this guy used a .270, so they would be perfect 4s

[gilded thistle]

I’ve used a 270 on blesbok before

[vagrant trout]

It worked fine right? 3 or 4 for them?

[vale condor]

I’d like to atleast be able to use .308 on them. So preferably 4

[gilded thistle]

I would go with class 4 for blesbok

[knotty stirrup]

The Perfect Backfilling

[vagrant trout]

Please to consider A: the cassowary and B: the emu for Emerald Coast

A, just an aggressive loner that chases people

B, the bird that Australia lost a war too

[knotty stirrup]

Nobody would like to see that animal in a hunting simulator, really, so no.

[vagrant trout]

Seriously? Anytime I've seen discussions for EC people are disappointed that emu weren't added. Cassowary aren't even that different from emu either, and both have high populations

[knotty stirrup]

Those who like the game for what it is, a hunting simulator, will say no, but of course those who play to kill animals and get trophies will say yes to everything. You have to look at both sides of the coin and the first will always have more weight because it is the ethics of the game.

[vagrant trout]

I'm saying this as a person who doesn't grind, doesn't care about great ones or diamonds for that matter and spends a couple hours playing once a week.

I love Emerald Coast for the thick forests and it would be nice to see something other than goats in the southern half of the map.

I don't want massive flocks, but finding groups of 2 or 3 emus at a time would be a nice break from pigs and goats

[knotty stirrup]

Emerald Coast is a perfect map, although it has its flaws because it doesn't have European rabbits, water buffalo or the dingo, but even so it is a very good map and except for these three species there is no other that can be added to the map.

[vagrant trout]

Alright, ignoring the new skeleton and animations it would bring, how is it different from any other bird?

[knotty stirrup]

The size and weight, considering that a cassowary can weigh up to 80 kg, gives one pause for thought, and taking into account that in real life they are not hunted and are also protected.

[vagrant trout]

Tigers and snow leopards, emu are farmed all over the world for meat and eggs and aboriginal tribes still actively hunt them.

I know they aren't as interesting as water buffalo but they deserved to be on EC more than a 5th population of red deer

[knotty stirrup]

Well, we have to be realistic and logical, those types of birds will never be added to the game, like many others, such as thrushes, and although it is doubtful and they may be added in the future, but pigeons and doves may also be birds that are never added to the game.

[vagrant trout]

Realism and logical thinking don't take into account that this is a video game, particularly not with how many endangered animals are in the game already.

Ostrich have been brought up in the Africa 2.0 thread several dozen times already and comparing them to songbirds is just pointless.

Doves would at least have a place, Mississippi Acres, and pigeons are just a different type of dove. Emu would be more akin to an actual big game species and native to Australia with ties to the Aboriginal tribes that still respect them today

[knotty stirrup]

Everything you want bro but those birds will never be added to the game and nobody will give it importance, you will see how time proves me right.

[vagrant trout]

I don't care if they are, they'd still be a better choice than a lot of animals. There was someone seriously asking for freshwater crocs. If you don't like them fine, but other people might actually be interested in them as an animal.

[vale condor]

Why are we so against birds in Casuariidae?

[vapid coral]

The size of the blesbok is very surprisingly small

[vapid coral]

They are endangered also cassowaries live in tropical dense rainforest which we don’t have on any current maps. Emerald coasts forests are not suitable habitat for the southern cassowary

[vale condor]

Have you played EC? Literally the definition of dense rainforest? Hell it’s literally set in the MIDDLE of cassowary country.

Not to mention, emus are in Casuariidae too

[main kettle]

to add to what liam said cassowaries also live in seasonally dry monsoon forests and brushlands

[vapid coral]

They are no where near as common or densely populated in these habitats tho I would like to see cassowaries on a future map in Papua New Guinea tho

[main kettle]

They also frequent mangroves, brushy marshes, and forest margins which EC has plent of; it'd work just fine

[vapid coral]

I’m pretty sure emerald coast is set further south along the east coast than the southern cassowaries range is also not to sure on that tho

[main kettle]

im honestly not even sure where it's supposed to be given how far flung reserve icons are; SRP for instance is supposed to be in Colorado but the icon is in like Arkansas, a good 1,000 miles away

[vapid coral]

I’ve heard emerald coast is based on the east coast of Australia but even then banteng shouldn’t be on the map as they live up in nt

[vagrant trout]

Global population is estimated at around 700k, I don't think they're considered endangered anywhere

[vapid coral]

In australia they are endangered they are much more common in Papua New Guinea in Australia there are roughly 1500 cassowaries

[vagrant trout]

Talking about emus, much as I like cassowarys. Emu feel like a better fit

BTW, look at the ducks on vurhonga and tell me EW is concerned with accurate animal ranges

[main kettle]

teleporting wigeon 1,450 miles further south than they should be

[fluid fossil]

Eurasian Wigeon and Lesser Kudu live nowhere near Springbok in the wild

[vapid coral]

I don’t know the ranges of Eurasian widgeons but based on the name I’m not surprised that they aren’t from vurhonga. Are there ever found in Northern Africa. Anyway I’d much prefer emus in game over cassowaries cause we already know what a bunch of emu feather morphs are like and even though cassowaries are bigger emus look bigger in person cause of their height

[main kettle]

Eurasian wigeon spend much of the year in continental europe and the middle east, but they do winter and breedin parts of Africa. The farthest south they go is the southern shore of Lake Victoria in northern Tanzania, which is approximately 1,500 miles north of Vurhonga's location along the South Africa/Botswana border

[vapid coral]

Lake Victoria is the big one with all the different cichlids in it right

[main kettle]

yup

[main kettle]

the red x is the farthest south they go and the blue x is where vurhonga is located; the green line represents the direct distance between the two locations of about 1,500 miles

[vapid coral]

Woah I could see the odd vagrant or two getting further south but not as many as is in game

[main kettle]

yep, which is why so many people are unhappy with them being on Vurhonga

[vapid coral]

I’d imagine there is some native species of Guinea fowl they could put on the map instead

[main kettle]

yep, there's also several species of duck and goose native to southern Africa that wouldve been much better fits

[vapid coral]

Dude what the hell the reserve is no where near where lesser kudu live but right where greater kudu live. They should have just put in greater kudu they are cooler anyway

[main kettle]

yeah its even farther than wigeon; lesser kudu are primarily in Kenya and Ehtiopia with some sothern populations in northern Tanzania

overall its roughly a 2,000 mile distance from their IRL population center to Vurhonga

Honestly it would make more sense for the reserve to be labeled as a drought-stricken region of Kenya and then replace springbok with a form of gazelle then have a proper botswana reserve with the Big 5 ane the like

[gilded thistle]

They go south as far as Sudan

[fluid fossil]

Kenya wouldn't work though, the Kenyan Government banned all big game hunting in the 70s, Northern Tanzania works better in that context since many of the animals found in Kenya like Lesser Kudu, Fringe-eared Oryx, Lion, Buffalo, Thomson's Gazelle and Savannah Hare also live in Tanzania, and Tanzania allows for big game hunting

[vapid coral]

Is the fringe eared oryx a subspecies of East African oryx?

[fluid fossil]

One of the two subspecies yes, and huntable in Northern Tanzania

The other one, the Besia Oryx can only be hunted in Ethiopia

[acoustic crystal]

The 'war' was a cull 😡

[vapid coral]

You know if you think about it humans have eradicated the kangaroo island king island and Tasmanian emu subspecies and emus have never wiped out a human population so based on that I’d say humans are winning

[vagrant trout]

Have I offended an Aussie?

[vapid coral]

He is correct tho the emu war was really just used as an opportunity for veterans to gain employment by culling emus.

[vagrant trout]

Oh no I'm fully aware it's just way funnier to say they lost a war to birds lmao

Given the resources they had they couldn't do much but they tried hard. Fmj bullets and machine guns are not exactly the best way to accurately cull animals. They'd probably have been better off with Enfield rifles and sporting ammo, or headshots

[vapid coral]

I don’t know how easy a headshot on an emu would be their skulls are quite small

[vagrant trout]

Oh it absolutely wouldn't be easy, but it's a good chance that it'll either be a total miss or a kill shot with very little chance of being non fatal. Fmjs have no expansion in flesh and only a bit in bone so a lung shot might produce a wound channel small enough to close and let the animal go for miles

Either the head shot destroys the brain and instantly kills the animal humanely or you miss cleanly, to be totally clear, I'm suggesting headshots BECAUSE the target is small. If you try headshots on bigger animals you may end up condemning the poor thing to a slow torturous death.

Big game requires heart or lung shots, birds can be taken with headshots, fmjs are NOT meant for hunting anything under 2k lbs, and there's always a better option

[vapid coral]

Still I wouldn’t risk it on an emu their heads are way bigger other birds. There would be a decent chance you might just shoot its beak and then the guy would just starve.

[vagrant trout]

I'm figuring this is a reasonably large .30 caliber round, so it should have the impact to fracture the skull and stun it for the follow up shot.

Tbh, if I had no choice but to use fmj, I'd much prefer aiming where the neck and body meet. There's a few bones there that should at least totally disable the bird

[vale condor]

I think if they were magically given m240’s and a few more trucks (training included) it could’ve worked a little better.

[vagrant trout]

Jeez dude . . . Just give them some soft point ammo

[flat hollow]

My opinion is not to bring Sambar to Te Awaroa due sambars small population and not many sambar are properly wild, many sambar are only found on private property. (All my opinion no hate pls)

[knotty stirrup]

I added it because I think it would be a good idea to bring it to Te Awaroa to increase the diversity of species in the reserve.

[rare crypt]

Fallow deer needs to be added to Parque Fernando 100%

[flat hollow]

True all good

[flat hollow]

Agreed

[wicked panther]

Gadwall can go on Mississppi since they are coming to the game

[tough fjord]

American Woodcock and Ruffed Grouse for New England. European Woodcock and Gray Partridge in Hirschfelden, Red-legged Partridge and Common Quail in Cuatro Colinas. I really want them!

[wicked panther]

Yeah remove the bobwhite and replace then with woodcock and grouse

[tough fjord]

Bobwhite Quail fit very well in Mississippi

[wicked panther]

Yeah just not in New England since they are not native to the map

[tough fjord]

White-tailed Ptarmigan and Spruce Grouse in Yukon Valley

[vale condor]

They are native, but they are extirpated. Bred yearly and then released.

Are you reading the text infront of you?

[tough fjord]

Montezuma Quail and Scaled Quail in Rancho del arroyo

[tough fjord]

I would send them to the meadow and farmland areas of New England at least

[wicked panther]

Close enough give them the boot

[vale condor]

They are still a massive part of New England hunting.

[knotty stirrup]

@haughty frigate Why didn't you like the idea? I'm just curious.

[haughty frigate]

I just don’t want capercaillie on Hirschfelden.

[knotty stirrup]

In my opinion I would just put a small population of around 150 animals for example on the entire map.

[haughty frigate]

And for me, that would be around 150 too many 😅

[knotty stirrup]

capercaillie is actually hunted in hirsch, bearing in mind that the map is based on southern germany and north austria.

[haughty frigate]

Still wouldn’t feel right for me.

[knotty stirrup]

I wouldn't see the capercaillie on Hirsch as being that bad.

[haughty frigate]

I just don’t want them on there, so I’ll agree to disagree 👍

[violet jay]

Seems like most of the free content we'll get in the future will consist of GOs. Apparently the game gained a lot of popularity in the last 3 years, so the devs think the content grinders publish gave the game some exposure, and they will focus on releasing GOs on a regular base.

[haughty lotus]

Fallow deer in cuatro would make alot of sense

[junior sentinel]

I'd like to add my own suggestions as well.
Sundarpatan: Add Sambar
Revontuli: Add Reindeer
Im sure theres more they just escape me rn

[knotty stirrup]

Of these suggestions, the only possible one would be the sambar in Sundarpatan because in Revoltuli, apart from the fact that it already has a lot of species, the reindeer in Finland is no longer hunted because they are protected due to their low population. This was already explained when they added Finland.ç

[junior sentinel]

Ohhh my bad lol

[fluid fossil]

I've heard that with the Forest Reindeer (The only subspecies that does get hunted in Finland), there are some years where they can be hunted and some years where they cannot be hunted based on their population levels, which sort of sounds like how it works with a specific Wood Bison herd in Alberta, Canada (With that herd though, when they did open up the hunt in 2023 it was a lottery draw to ensure all hunters have a fair chance at the tag)

[abstract bone]

Layton needs cougars (mountain lions)

[knotty stirrup]

You can't add more than two large species, Jaxy hinted when they did the fill that if they did a second backfilling in the future, there would be room for one large game species and/or one small game species per map and there would still be maps that wouldn't have backfilling.

and I think the most suitable species for Layton would be bighorn sheep and another species of duck.

I did this backfilling based on the size of the animals at the programming level, the number of animals in the reserve and the size of the reserve and this backfilling example is totally possible and is also quite balanced, adding new and emblematic species of each place and completing the diversity of species on each map.

Also @abstract bone , deny me that if they added this backfilling and these ideas that I proposed: https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1311409370789183539, https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1294684372917551215, https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1273552003712421899, https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1272895734034726974, the game would be the best hunting simulator ever made.

I think I made some awesome ideas and the whole community would like them.

[abstract bone]

I’m not denying that you probably have good ideas. From my understanding Layton is set in the Cascades of Washington and Oregon. And as a resident of that area I can say that cougars are way more prevalent in those mountains than big horn sheep. Heck I think it’s even safe to say mountain goat are more prevalent in the Cascades than big horn. From my understanding big horn tend to like the more arid areas east of the mountains.

[knotty stirrup]

You have made me think, I did a deeper investigation into where Layton is inspired and the fauna that is hunted in real life and I have come to the conclusion that the only and most suitable animals to add to Layton are the bighorn sheep and mountain goat .

[fluid fossil]

I figured that mountain lion wouldn’t be a bad inclusion to Layton
Provided they have a small population

That would also allow for Mountain Goats to also work since they could inhabit the more mountainous areas of Layton

As for a small game animal, we could get Gadwall or Raccoon since we already have those species in the game

[sweet cedar]

I also want Eland

[knotty stirrup]

They said that in Vurhonga they would not add large animals, only one class 1 which was the wigeon, for more animals from Africa they will make Africa 2.0

[turbid zephyr]

I kinda just wish Vurhonga was made good from the get go. I think the devs developed it with the "Africa is a country" mentality

[knotty stirrup]

ye

[vale condor]

And how was this conclusion made?

[knotty stirrup]

based on the populations of the species in the Pacific Northwest and apart from that the only thing that could be done is either add both species or add only the Rocky Mountain goat or add the Rocky Mountain goat along with a class 1 animal that could be a duck or goose.

[vale condor]

Cougars are a staple of the Pacific Northwest…

[fierce tapir]

Same with Gray Wolves

[vale condor]

Not huntable

[fierce tapir]

Ehhhh creative liberties. Didn’t stop them from adding tigers, Snow Leopards, Mexican bobcats, Iberian Wolves and European Bison and making them huntable now did it

[vale condor]

First of all, bobcats are legally huntable and second of all they banned Wolf hunting in Spain long after Cuatro came out.

And tiger hunting has a small chance of legalization in Nepal.

[fierce tapir]

……And….. there’s still a chance of wolf hunting in the Pacific Northwest especially in places like British Columbia

[vale condor]

BC and Layton Lakes are entirely different situations.

[fluid fossil]

British Columbia probably has a larger wolf population then the Lower 48

Also Layton Lakes is a US Map based on Washington/Oregon and not British Columbia

[main kettle]

This is, in fact, true.

There are a minimum of 8,500 reproductive age adult wolves in British Columbia as of 2020.

As of the same year there is a maximum of no more than 7,500 wolves in the entire lower 48 of the U.S.

[warm rain]

I'm not against adding wolves to Layton based on conservation status, because we have European Bison on Hirschfelden, which sort of blows up that whole argument. I'm against adding wolves there because wolves in this game are very aggressive, dangerous in packs, and Layton is a beginner's reserve (as a base game map). Having a pack-hunting aggressive animal on a map that many players will be playing on the very first time they play COTW... yeah that's not a good idea.

if wolves were changed to be more realistic in terms of their aggression (attacking very rarely when they're cornered, sort of like bears do right now) then I'd support adding them to Layton Lake. Otherwise, you're gonna have beginner players taking their baby's first steps in the game, only to get ambushed by a pack of monstrous creatures that want to rip their throat out. Not a recipe for fun gameplay, more like a way to ruin the fun.

wolf AI needs a major rework if we want them to be realistic in any way

[vale condor]

What?

[frigid hull]

I did some research and that European bison can also be found in Russia

[vale condor]

Not enough research clearly…

[frigid hull]

we’ll never mind, I’ll delete the comment

[turbid zephyr]

What do you guys think about adding Impala to Vurhonga to fill the western plataue region, southern region and a scattered few in the far east ? Me personally I think vurhonga will never be a finished map until there are Impala, because if it's South Africa without Impala it's like having Texas with no whitetail deer. I've included a map with the general areas I think Impala should plentiful

Ps. Assume this is something EW is willing to do lol

[knotty stirrup]

This backfilling idea would be perfect to add to the game, there is a lot of species diversity in each map and it would make the maps before Revontuli Coast much more complete, all those maps would receive a normal backfill of 1 or 2 species except Vurhonga Savanna which would replace the Eurasian Wigeon with the Egyptian Goose.

[knotty stirrup]

@haughty frigate What do you not like about this backfill concept?

[modern cipher]

he doesent like capercallie on hirsch as far as i know

[haughty frigate]

That’s right, but since it isn’t on the list anymore, I have removed the downvote.

[dusk sonnet]

It made me really mad when there wasn't gadwall in mississippi but there was on the total other side of the world

[knotty stirrup]

I think almost the entire community thought the same.

[karmic compass]

Well Gadwall aren’t specific to North America, they’re widely distributed across the northern hemisphere. I would like to see more duck species backfilled to Mississippi, specifically Gadwall, Mallard, and Goldeneye.

[dusk sonnet]

Yeah, there you go

[hard topaz]

Common Raccoon
Raccoon dog
Sika deer

Gray wolves (but they should be really rare, west / north west part of the reserve)

All of them do live in Germany, means they could easily be backfilled to Hirschfelden.

[hard topaz]

bump

[boreal current]

Not perfect without a backfill to revontuli

[hard topaz]

Rev has more than enough different species?!

[knotty stirrup]

No map after Revontuli, including this one, will ever receive a backfill because they are perfect maps according to EW and Jaxy said all this when they did the first backfill.

[vale condor]

I definitely wouldn’t say Sundarpatan is perfect

[hard topaz]

Or Hirsch, or LL, or etc etc..

[boreal current]

I'd like roe deer in rev, it'd add more realism

[boreal current]

That sucks

[modern cipher]

keep asking if enoug peaple do it we eventuly also get the newer maps backfilled

[low nymph]

Yeah, the map is great but it's lacking

[blissful otter]

I'd love to see more backfilling but given that they have to reduce the existing animals' populations to make room for new ones, I'm not sure if they're willing to do it anymore. Maybe if we make a big enough stink about it, but it seems they might just put species on new maps instead of backfilling.

[icy radish]

You can also legally hunt European bison

[low nymph]

Not in Germany tho also don't use ai other view, bison aren't found in sweden... It's obviously faulty

[vale condor]

There are bison in Sweden butttt….

they aren’t wild but you can infact hunt them!

[low nymph]

That doesn't really count, I've seen them only inside large fenced areas (like you said)

[vale condor]

That depends entirely upon the acreage.

[low nymph]

True, most I've seen were pretty small

[icy radish]

All I did was google European bison hunting and that’s what I got. If you don’t like it because it says Sweden that’s your problem

You’re right about Germany but EW has put other animals in wrong locations

[icy radish]

Maybe I should have typed wild bison

[fluid fossil]

I suspected that the bison hunting in Sweden was more of a hunting estate type deal

[low nymph]

Nah my problem isn't that it is in Sweden but rather that you used ai as a source without back checking

[icy radish]

That’s what first shows up when you google European bison hunting if you want something else here

https://huntinbulgaria.com/hunting-offers/european-bison-hunting-in-bulgaria/

[low nymph]

It's a better source definitely.

[junior sentinel]

My most wanted backfills:
Rancho - Grey fox, Mountain lion
Sundarpatan - Sambar deer, Axis deer
Emerald Coast - European rabbit, Water buffalo
New England Mountains & Missisippi Acres - Pintail duck, Wood duck
Revontuli Coast - Reindeer
This is just backfills only. I could suggest brand new species for current maps but we already know they won't do that.

[knotty stirrup]

The maps after Mississippi, i.e. starting from the Revontuli Coast, will never receive backfill, as those are the types of maps they wanted.

[junior sentinel]

Uuuuuuugh

[chrome cloud]

Nile crocodille won't fit in vurhonga in my opinion, i think Spotted hyena, southern impala and chacma baboons would be better

[fluid fossil]

Crocodile would work in the swampy areas, while I do agree that impala, Chacma baboon and spotted hyena would be good fits I don't agree with the idea that Nile Crocodiles won't fit when there are areas on the map that would be good areas for crocodiles

[chrome cloud]

maybe if The vurhonga map gets a mangrove section or a large 100 meter wide river or sm then i could see crocs being added

[river jasper]

Uhmm… As somebody from South Africa (Where Vurhonga is apparently set, could be Botswana but same applies) We do bot have Mangroves here… So that wouldn’t work one bit…

[warm rain]

crocodiles don't only live in mangrove swamps and massive rivers buddy. The ones in Africa are Nile Crocodiles, and those live in pretty much any body of water that they can find.

[chrome cloud]

i dont see how crocs can be added, maybe in the coast only they can be added

[fluid fossil]

Nile Crocodiles are able to tolerate an extremely broad range of habitat types, including small brackish streams, fast-flowing rivers, swamps, dams, and tidal lakes and estuaries and are often found in waters adjacent to various open habitats such as savanna or even semi-desert but can also acclimate to well-wooded swamps, extensively wooded riparian zones, waterways of other woodlands and the perimeter of forests.

As far as suitable habitat on Vurhonga goes, the southern areas along the river (especially the southeastern corner) and the northwestern areas along the river would make for good crocodile habitat

Plus there is this sign on Vurhonga

[chrome cloud]

oh ok

[tawny coral]

In Vurhonga, it was written in an area of interest that the river or whatever surrounds the map is infested with crocodiles. Yet we don't see them. It's a shame in my opinion.

[chrome cloud]

same with hyenas and zebras. its shocking how Lesser kudu are in vurhonga when they dont inhabit botswana and south africa. meanwhile Crocodilles, Zebras, Impalas and Hyenas are not in vurhonga. that map has huge amount of potential

[chrome cloud]

btw they need to remove kudu not eurasian widgeon

[fluid fossil]

Nah they should also remove the Eurasian Wigeon from Vurhonga, if they wanted to do a waterfowl species for the one African map they have there are a lot of species to choose from like Cape Teal, White-faced Whistling Duck, Egyptian Goose, Knob-billed Duck and Yellow-billed Duck to name a few species that could easily replace the Eurasian Wigeon

[knotty stirrup]

I think it would be easier for the Devs to remove the Eurasian Wigeon and add the Nile Crocodile because the rest of the animals are involved with quests, etc., so I think doing what I said would be easier for them and wouldn't be bad.

[chrome cloud]

Yeah now that i think abt it, they should remove widgeon and remove kudu. Nile croc and hyena/impala or greater kudu would be better ngl. i'd like crocs but ot sucks that they could spook anything. buffalos should not be spooked by them

[vast smelt]

Giant kudu? Do you mean greater Kudu or is that a new species?

[chrome cloud]

uh yeah just a mistake

[vast smelt]

Ah ok

[modern cipher]

I mean i would like to see Euro hare one day on hirsch but i think a second upland bird like Capercallie or Black Grouse would be more importand since the western parts is really lacking them

[knotty stirrup]

I take note

[knotty stirrup]

BEST BACKFILLING

[knotty stirrup]

I've gathered a lot of community input and updated my post one last time to make it clear to the devs.

[knotty stirrup]

BEST BACKFILLING :map:

BEST BACKFILLING 🗺

[cursive ice]

So rev could still get?

[cursive ice]

Beaver bsckfill to Revontuli to celebrate Finlands independence day tomorow, please 😭perfect since new release too 🔥 nvm its 9th 😭

[cursive ice]

He means Rev wont get either?

[split mirage]

I’d rather get grey seals on the southern islands than beavers tbh

[cursive ice]

Less likely though

[modern cipher]

I feel like this List changes every two days 😭

Last i looked this up there was Capercallie instand of sika deer

[knotty stirrup]

When did you see the list?

[modern cipher]

When i wrote this message you had sika on there. Now theres Capercallie and badgers instand. And if i remember right the original list had sika, mouflon, badger and wood pigeon