helicopter hunting?

[sick brook]

Alright so after completing all of medved tagia missions something caught my mine. Helicopters in one of the missions the lady's talking and she mentioned helicopters and hunting from them with machine guns. Now if we fast forward a couple reserves we make it to te awroa and what's one of the main things about those missions on that reserve. Helicopters and matter of fact it shows a helicopter and I believe In the te awora missions it mentioned helicopter hunting. Now fast forward a few more and we get the modern weapon pack and what guns does that have? That's right ar10s which might be the machine guns thats mentioned in medved tagia. So now the question is

Will helicopters be introduced to call of the wild?

Is it a hint for the next game that gets made?

Is it just fiction?

How would the call of the wild community react to such a thing?

Anyone have anymore hints that hint to helicopters ?

[cunning vector]

Fyi, AR’s aren’t full auto machine guns… nor are they M60’s typically used in Texas hog hunts.

And the reason helicopters are a major talking point on Te is because the New Zealand Deer Wars

How ridiculous.

[sick brook]

Totally get that I'm just saying what the mission said also there's got to be a reason for 4 ar10s being added

[cunning vector]

… maybe because people wanted them and have requested them for years…?

[sick brook]

Not necessarily I see people all the time wanting ak47s and m60s and have we got those yet? No we haven't. But we will get 4 or 5 different hints towards helicopters

[cunning vector]

Because getting M60’s would be absolutely ridiculous?

[sick brook]

Also what about boats peoples wanted boats have we got those yet?

[cunning vector]

I really hope you know how hard that would be to make lol.

And AK’s are entirely possible… you do realize that right

[sick brook]

Also thank back to the start of the Alaska reserve. When you first enter it you fly in on a plane which may also be a hint to flying

[sick brook]

I highly doubt they would add a ak47

[cunning vector]

Hey bud, AK’s come in civilian patterns dude… they are pretty popular, lots of great hunting calibers to choose from…

Including .308 WINCHESTER, you may not know what that is but .308 is one of the most popular hunting cartridges of all time!

[obtuse bluff]

Why is that?

[sick brook]

Listen did you know the 7mm.08 kicks the 308s ass all day and did you know that the ak47s round is comparable to a 30-30

[sick brook]

Well think 1 we wouldn't get a 30 rd mag which people would be upset about. 2 why just why add a AK when we have ARS

[cunning vector]

@fervent plinth

[cunning vector]

AK’s take 5rnd mags….

[sick brook]

But will the people take a 5rd mag

[cunning vector]

You ask me.

Remind me, how many rounds does the Zarza hold again?

[obtuse bluff]

You act like the 30-30 isn’t a good hunting round….

[sick brook]

Irl 30-30 is awesome in game it's crappy if you look around here alot of people want it buffed

[cunning vector]

Once again AK’s come in more than just 7.62x39

.30-30 is anemic as all hell in this game

[sick brook]

Holds 5 but the m1 holds 5 so I mean kinda same there 5 round 30_06 vs 5 round 308 alot of people wanna run around with a10 warthogs blasting whatever walks

[sick brook]

Also seems the kar98 is highly wanted in cotw to which would be nice but still we ain't got it and people have begged for it meanwhile you think we're gonna get a ak47

[cunning vector]

A bolt action in a well known, tried and true caliber is unlikely to get into the game?

[obtuse bluff]

Dawg…..a10 warthogs, you’re joking, right?

[sick brook]

Been asked for now I believe 3 years and we still ain't seen it so

[sick brook]

Nah I truly ain't joking there was a guy in reddit wanting a10s and

[cunning vector]

I remember that, it was a joke

[obtuse bluff]

Nobody uses a10 warthogs for hunting…….nobody. A10 warthogs would also be idk……maybe cruel to use for hunting. Just maybe

[cunning vector]

Tbf, it’s an instant death

[fervent plinth]

Define "comparable" if you may, since 7.62x39 is so massively weak compared to .30-30

7mm-08 is a good cartridge as well but .308 absolutely outstrips it, especially since modern bullet options allow for greater energy and velocity retention at range

[sick brook]

I checked again and it was on steam actually

[sick brook]

Eh some people want this to be cod or fortnite

[cunning vector]

You want it to be cod or Fortnite lol.

[sick brook]

Only edge a 308 has is its common in rifles and ammo . Where as the 7mm.08 is gonna be 150ft more faster then the 308

[obtuse bluff]

We are talking about the 30-30…

[sick brook]

Nope I ain't even suggesting adding helicopters I'm just saying I find it wierd that they added that to some of the missons

[cunning vector]

Cool conspiracy theory bro.

[sick brook]

It is cool just a neat little hint or something

[cunning vector]

Medved was created 8 years ago…

Modern rifles was created 4 years ish later…

EW also didn’t want to add AR’s for years because they were scared of BBR’s. This isn’t a hint at all

[fervent plinth]

No, actually, ballistics tables for the two cartridges say otherwise.

When both cartridges are tested in a 24 inch barrel, a 150gr bullet has vastly different ballistics between the two cartridges.

With 7mm-08, a 150gr soft point (most often a Speer made bullet) reaches 2,650 fps and 2,339 ft-lbs at the muzzle. Meanwhile, a 150gr nosler tipped bullet in .308 Winchester achieves 2,820 fps and 2,648ft-lbs at the muzzle.

This means that with identically weighted bullets and an identical barrel length, .308 Winchester has 170fps more muzzle velocity and 309ft-lbs more muzzle energy. Keep in mind that the nosler tips are windscreened for ballistics and retain their energy and speed at range much better than the round-nose soft points fired for testing with a 7mm-08. I should also point out that even with windscreened bullets the 7mm-08 stil lags behind .308 Winchester, just not quite as severely. Comparisons of 175gr windscreened nosler bullets indicate that the gap shrinks to about 100fps and 100ft-lbs difference between the two (with .308 Winchester staying in the lead) with both loads shot through a 24 inch barrel.

As a TLDR, you have their ballistic differences inverted and .308 actually has a massive energy advantage at all ranges with identical bullet weights.

These differences in performance are largely down to case design and optimization. Despite being significantly older than 7mm-08, .308 Winchester's case design is better optimized for energy delivery to the projectile and efficient powder burning. Moreover, it is tooled to arguably better standards and has a 56 grain internal powder capacity compared to 52 grains for the 7mm-08. Normally a 4 grain volume gap does not amount to much, but the differences in case design make it notable.

the ballistics lore dump isnt over btw I still have to quantify why 7.62x39 is significantly worse than .30-30

[sick brook]

Oh I imagine it aint gonna take me half my lifetime to explain and prove the 7mm can out do the 308 so go ahead type up the 7.62 stuff

[cunning vector]

I mean, he’s not wrong

[fervent plinth]

field testing of the two tells me all I'd need to know

I'd use both on whitetail and prefer .308 for mulies, anything bigger than that .308 is prioritized

[cunning vector]

I will always prefer 7mm-08 but it sure isn’t better than .308, if anything they are mostly interchangeable.

[fervent plinth]

for deer especially, but .308 definitely holds an advantage for when you're aiming for animals near the top of their weight class like elk, moose, and bison

then again for game that big and tough I'd prefer .300 win mag or .338 win mag, especially if we're talking elk and moose

both are capable of taking down the largest deer in north america for certain, there's just other options that hit harder and have a better chance of making through a big animal

[obtuse bluff]

.270 Win 💪

[sick brook]

But 1 thing 7mm.08 has less recoil and for some of these p##y sensitive people less recoils better

[cunning vector]

Slightly more recoil

[sick brook]

Wanna know the biggest difference

[fervent plinth]

As far as 762x39R and .30-30 WCF (Winchester Center Fire) are concerned, 39R is never going to come anywhere close to what .30-30 can do and regularly does.

The gap between these two is significantly bigger than the gap that lies between 7mm-08 and .308 Winchester. Of course, these two cartridges are vastly different from one another since they are separated by several decades and were designed for entirely different reasons. Nonetheless, the correct comparison still needs to be made.

Once again, we come back to the trusty 150gr bullet weight, except this time the Russians go full metric on us. The common soft point bullet is a 10 gram or 154 grain copper jacketed round-nosed softpoint. When fired from a twenty inch barrel, this bullet achieve a muzzle velocity of 2,104fps with 1,516ft-lbs of energy.

Meanwhile, a 150gr flat-nosed soft point fired out of a .30-30 cartridge through a standard twenty inch barrel achieves significantly better performance. This setup achieves 2,390fps and 1,903 ft-lbs at the muzzle.

As a result, (nearly) identical bullet weights and identical barrel lengths result in .30-30 going about 236fps faster and having approximately 387ft-lbs more energy. A 160gr flatnose out of .30-30 also retains nearly identical performance to a 150, but inertia means that its higher mass provides better energy retention.

The main difference between the two is their trajectory and their pressures. .30-30 has a very notable ballistic arc and starts to experience sizable drop past about 150 yards. Meanwhile, 7.62x39R, even with a round-nosed configuration bullet for hunting, shooters much flatter. It usually experiences notable drop starting out around 180 to 200 yards and eventually starts to fall like a stone around 350.

The very odd thing about this is that .30-30 has better energy transfer to the projectile and superior hunting performance with thinner case walls and about 10,000PSI less pressure per their respective CIP ratings.

[fervent plinth]

Not really, it has a lower powder charge than .308 but .308 is better at putting energy into the bullet instead of the chamber walls because it's a more efficient design. Both are fairly moderate in recoil and would only become painful if used in concerningly lightweight bolt actions (think loaded weight of 5.4lbs or less) or if they've been overloaded/loaded with pistol or shotgun powder and overpressure the chamber.

Plus it can also vary by powder charge, bullet weight, bullet design, rifling twist rate, barrel wall thickness, chamber wall thickness, bolt design, bolt weight, and choice of primer with bolt actions. In semi-autos you also have to deal with spring gauge, spring tension, spring compression characteristics, gas tube diameter, gas tube length, and gas tube adjustments as well.

Plus, some people need less recoil.

For instance, a Vietnam War combat veteran who has a weak shoulder due to multiple injuries plus osteoporosis using cold loads in a semi-auto for either .308 of 7mm-08 just so he doesnt get hurt while shooting is far from a weak person (their life history proves as much).

[fervent plinth]

Also, to add on to this, .30-30 has been a popular deer, bear, elk, and moose cartridge for 120 years but I've never heard of someone crazy or stupid enough to load up an SKS or other rifle in 39R and shoot a moose or bear with it

[cunning vector]

I have seen quite a few people videos of hunting bears with 39R, nobody is stupid enough to shoot moose with it though.

[fervent plinth]

Yeah that's true, I have seen some of those for bears but then again they all seemed to be the same environment that people use 5.56 or .22LR on them: headshot over a feed pile or treed by a pack of dogs at like 12 yards

No idea about more conventional methods with 39R though, seen anything about anybody using them at longer ranges, say more than 100 yards?

[lapis cave]

Josh campbell

[lapis cave]

Brother typing a paragraph just to be wrong

[sick brook]

He definitely is

[fervent plinth]

There's not really anything for him to say at this point ngl.

Ballistic tables for the cartridges don't lie and their feasible applications as hunting implements don't lie. There's no real way for him to defend his argument cause it's just fully opposed to how the cartridges actually perform.

[fervent plinth]

You've been scroll emoji'd

[cunning vector]

Hold on, we’re almost to 69 messages

[sick brook]

Mwahahahahhaha you have mistaken kind sir I shall argue the point that you 308 people are more bland then vanilla ice cream I shall also argue the point that my 7mm-08 will still outperform you and that just cause you can read some ballistic tables doesn't mean your 308 can still stack up compared to the 7mm-08 even also as a fan of the 7mms I'm gonna make the bold move of saying 7mms are better then 30s and at the end of day I believe the 7mm-08 is better and you believe your 308 is better the good thing about all this is we live in America and we all can a opinion... even if some is wrong hint hint so I'm gonna believe my conspiracy theory and I'm gonna believe my 7mm-08 is superior

[cunning vector]

Are you sure you are talking about 7mm-08 and not 7mm Remington Magnum?

[fervent plinth]

But....

I don't even own a .308... I have a .30-30

[sick brook]

Then my apologies but serious question I bet you own a 45acp

[fervent plinth]

Also this, 7mm Reming Mag is absolutely leagues more powerful than .308; 150gr windscreened softpoints sit around 3200ft-lbs so they have a 400ft-lb advantage over .308

[sick brook]

7mm mag is a beast

[fervent plinth]

Yes, a Kimber Stainless Target II longslide with a 6 inch barrel. Aftermarket magwell and grips with a rubber bumper on the magazines plus a leather holster and a belt-looped leather magazine holster that carries two 8rd mags.

It was my 21st birthday present.

[sick brook]

I knew damnit I knew every 30 30 Owner has a 45 aco considering both are the biggest fudd rounds

[fervent plinth]

well they're both perfectly qualified for what they're meant to be used for so I really fail to see the problem

the only issue somebody could theoretically have with them is them being old

[sick brook]

Sick lookin gun now I personally prefer the 10mm and the 45 colt and 44 mag

[cunning vector]

😍

[fervent plinth]

I see nothing wrong with those choices

[cunning vector]

Little too weak for me, .50AE and Casull all the way.

[fervent plinth]

Am annoyed by manufacturers loading 10mm auto cold from the factory though, can't find rounds with good power unless you wanna pay way too damn much for a box of 50. Any decent 10mm ammo around me is like $2.50 a cartridge, it's dumb.

[lapis cave]

Takes one to know one😛

[sick brook]

I run the speer dot golds in my 10

[fervent plinth]

ammo availability is why nobody in my family owns a 10mm anymore, can't find enough ammo to shoot

good that you can still run yours tho

[sick brook]

Ha yeah it's a miracle I ain't had ammo for my 45 colt for a few months then my 44 mag is a lever action so

[marble cloud]

i have a 14.5mm bullet

yes, a, as in singular, as in i found it on the floor