The Burrow Update (Free Update )

[wary igloo]

The Burrow system introduced with the European Rabbit`s release is a wasted potential so here is an update idea to make the Burrows worth ingame.

***Burrow Improvements ***

• Symbol on the map after investigating the Burrow,
  which shows the species using that Burrow similar to need zones.

New Free Species
American Badger

• Backfilled into Layton Lake and New England Mountains
• Class 2
• Rares: White, Piepald

European Badger

• Backfilled into Hirschfelden
• Class 2
• Rares: Creme, Albino

Badgers would work similar to the European Rabbits,
but they would be active during the Morning, Evening and Night.

Burrow Mechanics to old Species
With that Update some Coyotes and Red Foxes would have instant of a rest zone a Burrow in which they are going into at Rest Zone Times. These Burrows can a have a change to be shared with badgers or even Euro Rabbits.

***possible DLC alongside the Update ***
https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1338180466439753839 https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1339132288805507072

white american badger

piepald american badger

albino european badger

cream european badger

[hazy goblet]

This is a really good idea

[velvet haven]

Coyotes also use Burrows plus Coyotes and American Badgers Do tend to Team up together while Hunting so maybe both Species can have to same or atleast similar Drink, Feed and Rest Zones and Times

[wary igloo]

oh realy didnt know that

[velvet haven]

Yeah

[wary igloo]

The burrow Update (2 new species/ burrow system for red foxes)

The Burrow Update (2 new species/ burrow system for red foxes/coyotes )

[wary igloo]

rewrited the post so coyotes would also use burrows

[velvet haven]

Awesome

[wary igloo]

early vs finished

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Porcupines too maybe?

[wary igloo]

yeah maybe but i think badgers are more realistic

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close to 50 likes ...

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[plucky matrix]

not adding dachshunds to flush burrow animals out with this update would be criminal

[wary igloo]

for sure its the most efficient way to hunt badgers

[plucky matrix]

it would make it more likely for EW to actually create this idea as it adds a new dog breed, and new dog breeds are one of the most wanted updates besides reserves or weapon packs, so the community would be happy and satisfied, I probably see it as it being a separate dog DLC alongside a free update with the burrows and species themselves

[sharp abyss]

Ew, we want badgers!

[ornate island]

___ CAT FOUND ___

• black with white patches

• very aggressive (I think he’s scared)

• not house trained ☹️

• no collar or name tag

• likes bones

[wary igloo]

😂

sweet cat

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That’s dope

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Indeed

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70 upvtes after 1 month🎉

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100 are coming soon ...👀

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Honey badger on Vurhunga Savana as well makes a lot of sense.

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Would allow them to add a new dog to help flush out the burrowed animals, aka another dlc they can sell us

I would not mind some beagles

[wary igloo]

or dachshound

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Hell I’d buy both

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Slowly the support for this adds. I love the simple idea getting so much attention without too many comments adding to it like other posts.

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new Multimount with this update :

Digging Neighbors
M
Animal 1:
American Badger /
Euroasien Badger

Animal 2:
Red Fox /
Coyote

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[indigo lichen]

This should be added for sure but I don’t want foxes to become a pain to hunt like rabbits…

[wary igloo]

They only would be in there while Resting

But i can understand that you dont Wanna be foxes a pain to hunt like rabbits

[indigo lichen]

Ok than we need dens, I’ve also got a fox den near me but idk if it’s active

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Possibly also to revontulin

[wary igloo]

yeah

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Honey badgers could be added to Nepal or Vurhonga also.

[wary igloo]

Yeah but planed this to be a free Update so i think three new species would be a bit much maybe they could be added later ...

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Noice

[haughty dragon]

If we're adding badgers I'd definitely like to see honey badgers included sice they are a rather aggressive species it could offer the chance to be attacked by them if startled which could make for some fun experiences 😅

[timid current]

All badgers are known to have a ferocious temper. It'd be really funny to have a few go aggressive on the player.

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Kinda like with wood grouse

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[runic plover]

Defn. for more burrow species. Lets include: •US-Prairie Dogs •Africa-Meerkats •EU-Bobak Marmot

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Marmots too

[runic plover]

had to look it up bc I couldn't remember which marmot😅

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Alpine marmots on Hirsch, yellow bellied marmot on srp, hoary marmot Yukon, woodchuck on Mississippi and NEM, and Olympian marmot on Layton

[runic plover]

I'd love to see more varmints & fur bearers added in a heartbeat. Adding more burrows like EW did with the Rabbits would make a great oh s*** moment on a badger hole. Been there and they are tough n mean. Put 3 Shots from a .357 into it and it still ran after me before dying 6ft from me, they're nasty.

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[trim aurora]

I would like to see the game add this with another dog like a patterdale or a Lakeland terrier to flush fox’s coyotes and badger out of the den to shotgun

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210 Upvotes after 5 months lets see if we get this in 2025. Happy New Year 🎉

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Actually also need burrows for warthog

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The Burrow Update (Free Update )

[hidden solstice]

You could also add the Prairie dog

[wary igloo]

https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1338180466439753839

[wary igloo]

peak editing

[runic plover]

I want them so badly

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fr

[ornate palm]

Think euro badgers should also be on salz and cuatro

[wary igloo]

Salz was a missed Chance to add euro badgers to the game

[ornate palm]

Fr should have added them cause the 2 ducks are cool but it’s just the same as every other duck but badgers would have been pretty much a whole new concept

[runic plover]

If they added badgers I'd expect all 3 species to release. American, European, & Honey Badger.

[ornate palm]

I don’t think honey until a new African map but the other two probably

Doesn’t the hunter classic have badgers? Or am I wrong I have never played it but I remember seeing a trophy shot with a badger

[runic plover]

I agree with the Honey Badger although a great opportunity EW "Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge" to add them on a Tiny 10 African SP Reserve. & I'm not sure I play on Series X so I dont have access to play Classic. Though once I do get a Gaming PC I'll likely be on it more so then CotW bc of its authenticity.

[wary igloo]

no, you probably saw a trophy shot from way of the hunter

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gg

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Aight

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290 ten more to 300 !!

[wary igloo]

found these rabbit burrows on hirsch, would love to hunt foxes or badgers on that location

[runic plover]

I was hunting SP an I never really realized how many burrows are in it till today. Would be sweet to see more species utilizing them as a mystery basket. Is it a fox, badger, or rabbit hole? Would be hilarious to check it & a badger charges you or a fox bolts out of them at random if occupied.

[wary igloo]

Please EW, add nore burrow using animals

[true sinew]

Would make fox grinding so much easier

[wary igloo]

even easier with that https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1338180466439753839

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lets go to 300 (Blasting Badgers with the .300 )

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Congrats

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[rugged imp]

Red Fox and Jagdterrier
For the next dog DLC, I want a Jagdterrier. 🙏

[wary igloo]

Isint this also an burrow hunting dog ?

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1338180466439753839 my take on a Burrow hunting dog

[rugged imp]

Dachshound is better for badger hunting. The Jagdterrier can chase the fox when the fox comes out of the burrow.

[wary igloo]

Hhm didnt knew that. I would take both

[rugged imp]

German race

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David vs Goliath

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[wary igloo]

from https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1196543329467375636

[ornate island]

I can imagine a badger in COTW, would be adorable.

[rugged imp]

The badger and the burrow make the game more challenging.

[wary igloo]

we dont saw the full function of the beavers but is suspect that they will inside their lodge in their resttime. Thats exactly how foxes with a burrow should work

[wary igloo]

perfect fox and badger burrows

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[wary igloo]

you know much about predetor hunting right?

i debating to do an extra dlc for burrow hunting mixed in with predetor hunting equipment (Burrow`n Predator Hunting Pack ), but i dont know what equiüment i cloud use foe the predators. So you may have Ideas ?

[runic plover]

If bait boxes are off the table prey blood scents do wonders. Though if EW added the mechanic fresh kills would be great as well. Decoys is something I've been pushing hard after we got Turkey Decoys with SRP & ofc the large number of waterfowl decoys. I'd love to see both small, medium, & large game decoys to be added. Another alternative to prey blood scents is pheromone scents. Ofc theirs tons of options for dog breeds as well but I personally dont run dogs on predator hunts although many where its legal have had great success. For me it takes away the challenge of tracking them. Once I've tracked down their territory & confirm activity I'll wait for them to pass by or lure them in if its legal to. Coyotes, Fox, Bobcats I call in with decoys or if its deer season I'll leave the gut piles & yote hunt after dark to clear them out. Bobs I've had luck using fish and rabbit scents. Badgers I've only had 3 encounters and Skunks is also a rare sight unless they're in a trap line.

[runic plover]

Its funny really bc Swift Fox, Badgers, & Coyotes often will share burrows & its even more interesting to see Badgers roam with Coyotes as well. I've always loved desert & arid climate ecology same with Northern cold climate ecology. This is something I look at when EW releases game lists for every reserve & does it make sense to feel authentic. SP really throws me off w/o C:3 & 4 Game in it & I like AR but its missing a Rabbit/Hare & atleast 1 C:2-4 medium Predator like lynx or a wolverine to complete the circle or food chain as some would phrase it. Since were on the topic I did post a Frontier Park Concept that revolves around C:1-3 Game that relied on this threads concept with burrows.

[wary igloo]

i thought about it and came to the conclusion that the concept i had in mind wouldnt be really good. but i appreciate your help 🤞

[wary igloo]

350 soon?

[runic plover]

We can do it! On a related note when you asked me about predators with the Burrow update. I decided to accept possibilities for my reserve concept & added a Fox that is not huntable there but is in other states due to EW's trend I caved lol. But I liked the thought of investigating a burrow for sign just like the rabbits currently. But instead is based on RNG on what used it last. I even loved the idea of investigating the burrow and again RNG the Game either spooks or attacks you depending on the species. Basically a scenario is it occupied or vacant. Always laughed at the idea you investigate the burrow & you get jumped by a badger or sprayed by a skunk 🤣

Furthermore, the burrow update would work perfectly for Marmots, Prairie Dogs, Foxes, & possibly Coyotes, although instead of a Burrow a Den would be more accurate that applies to most predators. Another feature that ties my Predator Update with the Burrow Update is their hunting behavior. If you find a Warren of rabbits you're more likely to see a fox, bobcat, coyote, etc. in the area. In my reserve this would apply to Swift Fox as they prey on Prairie Dogs & Rabbits as an example. Now in relation to dog breeds I can see this being similar to the pointer to search for C:1-3 small game Burrows & flushing them out. With an upgrade in the skill tree they could locate Predator Dens. Its just a thought I had while I was brainstorming my own reserve animal mechanics.

[wary igloo]

wait till the day we get honey badgers and wolverines haha 🤫
(i heared that they use burrows occasionally )

much fun handling those aggressive beasts 😂

[wary igloo]

hhm a dog that searches for burrows? maybe i can tie that into https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1338180466439753839

[runic plover]

I do know ecology wise here in the West Badgers will follow side by side with Coyotes & to my surprise Swifts, Badgers, & Yotes will utilize Prairie Dog Burrows. Honey Badgers would be wild on Africa 2.0 with the Burrow Update. Wolverines would be sweet to pop out of a snowy Burrow 🤣. As for the dog it was a thought from an old senior I spoke to a long while back that had a coon hound that would find & spook up game from burrow holes from Rabbits, Foxes, & Badgers. I remembered it was brought up at some point & I also recall talks for different breeds for predators as well. They could go hand in hand through the skill tree with the core function to locate burrows and further up in the level tree can find predator dens. This would pair well with the existing breeds core abilities esp. with the defense skill. Though for me I'd pair it with the Pointers Game Tracking & with the Burrow/Den Tracking I think it would add a great element of Gameplay to hunt C:1-3 Game esp. for Rabbits/Hares & any future C:1-3 Varmints & Furbearers. Ofc balance wise for Predators its able to track down their Dens but not the Predator itself. If I recall the pointer wont track C:7+ Predators but dont quote me 😅 ?!? But its a depth thought I had to meet in the middle for Small Game up to C:7 predators since most predator dog hunts usually end at Black Bear. Though their are other breeds capable for C:8-9 Predators but I dont see the need to go to that degree esp. since I believe a middle ground can be met here.

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[jaunty cedar]

There will never be fox burrows as foxes use burrows exclusively for raising their young.

[runic plover]

He's not wrong but not 100% correct. Fox Burrows aka Fox Dens are in-fact used to raise young but are also used to store food as well as shelter. Depending on habitat locations & species these burrows/dens aren't limited to just foxes. In the West in the Frontier Prairie dog burrows are often occupied by Swift Fox, Badgers, Coyotes, & even Skunks. So yes this is plausible to be added as an animal mechanic in-game esp. since EW already has Rabbit Warrens in-game.

[wary igloo]

The main point is that you can infact hunt Red foxes from burrows. The way he formed his sentence indicates that you cant hunt foxes from there burrows irl. Furthermore is his Argument why fox burrows will nevercome trash cause, surprise, you can still hunt them from burrows regardless of what they are doing in there.

[runic plover]

I took his reply as a general point he was trying to make & all I did is elaborate the full facts since his reply was a partial statement. Again hes not wrong but not 100% correct. However, regulations do in-fact vary from place to place & region to region, so I'd bare that in mind as well. However, despite that there's no reason why the burrow update shouldn't be applied to foxes and that includes multiple species whether they're Varmints or Furbearers.

[runic plover]

Another point here that he should've brought up is that Red Fox is now a G1 species so in turn it could make them easier to pursue if applied incorrectly so if that was his point with his lesser statement this is warranted & worth making note of. However, my interpretation of this update is it'll be RNG based on a group of species from each respective reserve which wouldn't interfere with rarity but in-fact merely adds an additional element to how we play & pursue game. Not any different from the Warrens but with the RNG factor it could be 1 of many using it.

[wary igloo]

Like the Thing with him and his Statements is that he always frames his opinion as a fact. So i kinda think that he needed a point to prove his opinion on fox burrows (which is negative in this case)

[runic plover]

I'm indifferent on the matter really we've had points we agree & disagree on in other topics so its not a big deal. I just wanted to clarify the remaining facts on the subject bc he was partly correct & you were as well. And I wanted to touch on the G1 topic since ppl went stir crazy over G1's.

[runic plover]

I really do hope EW applies this to various species esp. in my Frontier Park Game List. We need new behavior mechanics & features to pursue game.

[wary igloo]

Pretty Sure we lost an upvote 😔

[glad tundra]

That was me mb lol I must've accidentally unliked when reading through

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360 🎉

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Wtf I just saw this as an add
https://youtu.be/s9kCO3lSYzc?si=-JVYnbyR4Y_kgstl

[wary igloo]

What the in the name of the holy sprintinf badger 😭

[wary igloo]

Badgers on the winter map ?

[wary igloo]

Either you get out there or you get out there the dog said

[glad tundra]

An amazing battle ahead

[rugged imp]

Yes!

[rugged imp]

What do you think about the idea of setting up a bear den? In Russia, there is another form of bear hunting that involves sending a dog into the den to provoke the bear to come out chasing or attacking it, while the hunters wait outside to shoot it.

[wary igloo]

I actually planed to Do an Suggestion that was similar to this but seting up fox, rabbit and badger burrows instand

[naive quarry]

I have to agree with you

[rugged imp]

European Badger 🦡

[ornate island]

Even the icon has, “I’m gonna f@(k some sh#t up” vibes. 👌

[wary igloo]

That looks good

I wanted to do the species Icons for them since a long time, but i couldnt find the time.

[glossy mango]

Looks like this might be coming true soon

[wary igloo]

I am hoppimg

[rugged imp]

A European badger is a must for this map.

[wary igloo]

More or less confirmend

Otherwise they wouldnt have mentioned burrows

[runic plover]

I dont want to get my hopes up but I'm looking fwd to this. All I could hope for is they developed it with care & justice while adding the species we've been wanting with this feature.

If this is done well I have some hope that we'll eventually see predators dens. But before I get ahead of myself I'm really hoping they update the current furbearers like fox & coyotes with this feature. Ofc future species we expect to see utilizing the burrows would be Badgers, New Fox like Swifts, Marmots, Prairie dogs, etc. Though given the Celtic Soundtrack I'm guessing maybe Ireland, Greenland, or Sweden? What do you all think it'll take place?

[wary igloo]

Scotland

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That Tracks

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Scotland Hunting Reserve is coming soon!
Tòrr nan Sithean whispers to you 🪨 Comes with a unique storyline that brings you into a vast history of Scottish hunting traditions and folklore.
5 new animals, 17 total!
Mustelids are featured for the first time, including the European Badger and American Mink. Returning are the Red Deer (Remastered), Feral Goat, and more!
New Semi-auto Shotgun
The Benehag 12G, a new semi-auto shotgun with a tubular magazine. The new shotty is versatile and can birdshot, buckshot, and slug, so it’s great for hunting all sorts of game.

[rugged imp]

Congratulations! 🎉

[wary igloo]

Well now that we get badgers, why not add https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1338180466439753839

I swear the labrador barking in the trailer is just to ragebait me

[rugged imp]

In the blog, the dog DLC is not mentioned, I see.

[wary igloo]

Yeah 😭

Like 1% chance they'll announce that next week

[runic plover]

I'll take the W for them finally adding them. Now I'm expecting EW to include the American and Honey Badgers & ofc Wolverines in the future. Also now that American Mink is also added I hope they too get added to US locations as well at some point. This further includes the possibility of Fisher Cats.

[glossy mango]

Hopefully a backfill to NEM

[runic plover]

But yet it has to be seen how EW portrayed the Burrow Mechanics & behaviors this is very important moving fwd. The narrative so far should make up for the slop we got for the last 3 releases; at least I'm hoping so.

[glossy mango]

I really hope it’s not only in predetermined spots like the beaver dams

[runic plover]

It probably will be similar to warrens but I'm hoping theirs more to it.

[glossy mango]

warrens?

[runic plover]

the rabbit warrens or rabbit holes

[glossy mango]

Ah, thank you

[runic plover]

I really hope EW has applied fox with the burrows as well.

[glossy mango]

I hope so too but I doubt it considering how many maps they’d have to backfill that feature to. Unless these feature is similar to rest zones I’d imagine the pathing could be hard to implement

[runic plover]

As I mentioned early on in this thread that I have some hope that when you find a burrow & disturb it it'll be rng on what may or may not spook out of it. Furthermore, I expect various species to utilize them. My only fear is EW copied & pasted the same mechanics as the Rabbit Warrens. I pray it is not.

[wary igloo]

Thats how i see it being applied to foxes

As a rest zone

[runic plover]

not really. I'm fine for EW to hold off on the feature expanding till a future update however if fox are here I expect EW to address it in the update while its already here over oh we'll get to it later kind of deal. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone while your already into it makes the most sense. & in this thread we have been preaching it rather strongly. I would be upset if Badgers were the only species to get the feature.

[runic plover]

Furthermore at a future date I hope that when coyotes get reworked (& I mean heavily reworked) they are included with the burrows. I'll be honest my reserve concept for WY in the frontier heavily relies on how well the burrows mechanic goes bc of the species in the roster. I know ppl were tired of US locations but my concept finally brings the missing species into the game & other reserves. On that point if EW reveals rails over ducks & geese I will be very hopeful in the future.

[runic plover]

wait a yr they might; it took awhile after Rev for labs & even longer to get pointers. Be patient it could happen. Idk if it'll be dachshunds but I'm fairly sure we'll see 1 more breed at some point.

[wary igloo]

Next year they will add frontier Park with even more burrow animals and the dachshound

[runic plover]

I wish, I truly do but I'm not expecting my reserve next year. Maybe in 2yrs time at least. We cant have my reserve w/o horses, a late 1800's wpn pk, & further animal mechanics to bring the Frontier Bk to life bc SRP defn. wasnt it.

[wary igloo]

Look at these badger furs

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Going into the burrow

[wary igloo]

Yk what i thought of when i saw that shot ?

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1338180466439753839 💔

[glad tundra]

ITS SO FLUFFY

[runic plover]

From the animations I'm seeing I'm very excited to see we have it at last. Now we need EW to expand the mechanic to 4 existing species and any new ones that get released. • Red Fox • Gray Fox • Tibetan Fox • Coyotes. Future I hope to see • American Badger • Honey Badger • Wolverines • Swift Fox • Kit Fox • Prairie Dogs • Meerkats • Marmots • Skunks etc.

[rugged imp]

With the arrival of the American mink in the Scotland reserve, you might be curious about how mink was traditionally hunted in the UK. The hunters used foxhounds and terriers to track the animal along the riverbank. The mink usually escapes into burrows along the river’s edge. I hope there will be mink burrows in the new reserve. Here is the link to the YouTube video: https://youtu.be/4Ectz8UsXRs?si=5dtQfLhkBrkQ7sKN

If all three mustelids have their burrows (ground, riverbank, or old tree), that would be great.

[wary igloo]

Badgers actually go aggressive 👏

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[sand kettle]

YOOOOO I was hunting some fox and I stumbled across this!!!thought I should show it here considering this is the burrows update thread

IT LET ME INVESTIGATE IT!!!! IT’S A RABBIT BURROW AND WAS USED RECENTLY!!!

(Now if only I could find a fox den…)