Weapon Packs & IRL Caliber Game Tier Coverage

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WWll Pack
• 1903 Springfield (3-8)- .30-06: +110gr (3) +165gr (4-6) +220gr (7-8)
• Karabiner 98K (4-8)- 8mm: +180gr (4-6) +200gr (7-8)
• Type 99 Arisaka (4-8)- 7.7x58: +174gr

Roudy Safari Pack
• Fusch Big5 Royal Blue (6-9)- 416 Rem Mag: +300gr (6-8) +400gr (9)
• Westley Richards 425 (7-9)- .425 Nitro Express: +410gr
• Blaser R93 Duo Hamed (6-9)- 375H&H: +260gr (6-7) +300gr (8-9)

Turkeygeddon Pack-"Adds T: (2) - TSS (Turkey) & GXP (Goose) Shells"
• Henry Side Gate 410 (1-3) - 410ga: +Bird (1) +TSS (2) +GXP (2) +Buck (2) +Slug (2-3)
• Darnes Model V-19 (1-4)- 28ga: +Bird (1) +TSS (2) +GXP (2) +Buck (2) +Slug (2-4)
• Savage 212 Bolt Slug (3-7)- 12ga: +Slug (3-7)
• Savage 220 Bolt Slug (2-5)- 20ga: +Slug (2-5)

Lever Madness Pack
• Marlin Dark Series (2-5) - .357/.38: +38spec.: 128gr (2-3) +.357mag: 158gr (3-5)
• Winchester Model 1895 (5-9) - 405Win: +300gr (5-7) +400gr (8-9)
• Henry Octagon Frontier (1-2) - 17HMR: +17gr

Takedown Pack
• Sauer 404 (3-9) - 10.3x68 Mag: +200gr (3-7) +400gr (7-9)
• Nemo Omen (7-9) - 458Win Mag: +500gr
• Sako 85 (4-9) - 9.3x62: +250gr (4-7) +286gr (7-9)

1800's Collection
• 1890 Winchester (1) - 22lr: +40gr
• 1874 Sharps Buffalo (5-8) - 45 120 Sharp: +535gr
• 1894 Krag Jorgensen (3-8) - 30-40Krag: +150gr (3) +175gr (4-6) +200gr (7-8)

Thunder Clouds Pack
• Pedersoli Safari Express (7-9) - Blackpowder .72cal: +Ball: 500gr
• 1857 Norwegian Kammerlader (4-8) - Blackpowder .58cal: +Slug: 600gr
• H&H 8Bore Hammer (7-10) - Blackpowder Cart. /8ga: +Ball: 862gr (7-8) +Slug: 1257gr (9-10)

Mad Mag Shells Pack
• ATI Omni Hybrid (1-3) - .410ga: +Bird (1) +TSS (2) +GXP (2) +Buck (2) +Slug (2-3)
• RIA VR60 (1-7) - 12ga: +Bird (1) +TSS (2) +GXP (2) +BUCK (3-5) +Slug (3-6)
• SDS Import SAS-12 (1-7) - 12ga: +Bird (1) +TSS (2) +GXP (2) +BUCK (3-5) +Slug (3-7)

☝All weapons are adjusted to these Game Animal Reworks --> https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1273124990723555491 &👇these are as well

***Shotgun rework:***https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1237863752964243507
Gauge Bird TSS: (Turkey) GXP: (Goose) Buck Slug
• 410 (1-3) 1 1 1 1-2 2-3
• 28 (1-4) 1 1 1 2 2-4
• 20 (1-5) 1 1 1 2-3 2-5
• 16 (1-6) 1 1 1 2-3 3-6
• 12 (1-7) 1 1 1 3-5 3-7
• 10 (1-8) 1 1 1 3-6 4-8
• 8 (4-9) X X X 4-7 5-9 • 4 (5-10) X X X 5-8 6-10

Rifles:
• 22-250 - T: 2-5 - (55gr 2-3/ 70gr 4-5)
• .223 - T: 2-3 - (55gr)
• 22H - T: 1-3 - (35gr)
• 22lr - T: 1-2 - (40gr)
• .243 - T: 2-6 - (55gr 2-3/ 100gr 4-6)
• 270 - T: 2-8 - (100gr 2-3/ 140gr 4-6/ 160gr 7-8)
• 30-06 - T: 3-8 - (110gr 3/ 165gr 4-6, 220gr 7-8)
• 30-30 - T: 3-7 - (125gr 3/ 160gr 4-6/ 190gr 7)
• 303 - T: 3-8 - (150gr 3-6/ 180gr 7-8)
• 308 - T: 2-8 - (110gr 2-3/ 175 4-6/ 190gr 7-8)
**• 300 - T: 4-9 ** - (150gr 4/ 178gr 5-7/ 200gr 8-9)
• 338 - T: 6-9 - (180gr 6/ 225gr 7-8/ 300gr 9)
• .45 Slug (PCP) - T: 2-6 - (196gr 2-3/ 265gr 4-5 / 350gr 6)
• 45-70 - T: 5-9 - (250gr 5-6/ 410gr 7-9)
• 470 - T: 7-10 - (500gr Soft 7-8/ 500gr Hardcast 9-10)
• .50cal BlackPowder - T: 3-8 - (Ball 3-7/ Slug: 250gr 4-6/385gr 7-8)
• .50cal Inline - T: 4-8 - (Sabot: 250gr 4-6/ 340gr 7-8)
• 577/450 - T: 4-9 - (480gr)
• 6.5x55 - T: 2-7 - 100gr 2-3/ 125gr 4-6/ 140gr 7)
• 7.62x54R - T: 2-8 - (110gr 2-3/ 180gr 4-6/ 220gr 7-8)
• 7mm - T: 3-8 - (120gr 3/ 168gr 4-6/ 185gr 7-8)
• 9.3x74R - T: 6-9 - (250gr 6-8/ 286gr 9)

• 300Blkout - T: 2-5 - (110gr 2-3/ 125gr 4/ 220gr 5)
• 450Bush - T: 3-7 - (250gr 3-6/ 300gr 7)
• 375H&H - T: 4-10 - (260gr 4-6/ 300gr 7-10)

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Weapon Packs: w/Balance Reworks

[tulip socket]

6.5 must have class 7, not the best for elk but it is used for it, from a bullet to low range, 100-150 meters

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I was attempting a base balance based on bullet weight not bullet type. 😓 Figured it would be too much for the devs to consider and your right. However the game doesn't specify the 6.5 just says 6.5mm so Im guessing

[tulip socket]

It wouldn't be much work honestly, I remember someone explaining how the engine's ballistics work, unlike unreal which has real ballistics, in Apex it's something static, devs would just need to edit status or something like that, damage values, there is no real bullet, that's what I understood.

[white wyvern]

I would probably put the .45-70 410’s at 7-9 but otherwise, well done.

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.410ga at 7-9??????? .410ga is the smallest shotgun gauge. And I put 45-70 at 5 minimum bc of hogs & wolves up to 9game with larger loads <---My Game re-class in mind☝ & Thank you I spent a week getting this together.

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yea that is why I highlighted the caliber n tier & the ammo in not highlighted to explain my reasoning for the reclass if that makes sense. I'd love nothing more if they did do a huge overhaul to add bullet weights & bullet types for various expansions, penetration, & range stats

Multiple Weapon Packs & Caliber Reworks

[white wyvern]

No, .45-70 410gr at 7-9.

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Ok sry I totally read that wrong, havn't had much sleep due to my kids 😅

[white wyvern]

All good 👍

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I'll adjust it

[edgy forge]

Some alternate rifles for calibers we already have woul be cool. The 9.3 would be a sweet over under or double, a .338 bolt action with a wood stock would be nice, and an updated .30-30 would be really cool as long as it used modern ammo

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•Savage 6400 30-30 •Waffen Krauser Dbl Rifle 9.3x74R •338 Lapua wood stock custom, since manufacturers only seem to make them in synthetic.

[dull storm]

.270 can be used on moose

[white wyvern]

You can, I wouldn’t.

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sry for the late reply I did more research and you are correct it can be used for moose. Mid range high expansion bullets & like any animal a well placed shot is actually a recommendation for moose 👍 Thanks for the reply

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[red belfry]

Looked it up out of curiousity. The 6.5 in gane is apparently the 6.5x55 swede. I would’ve thiught the 6.5 creedmore.

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thx that helps a ton

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I updated it

[red belfry]

Not sure what that guy meant with 7-9 for a 410 lol but the 45-70 is pretty popular for whitetail and mule deer. Could be a 4-9?

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410gr not 410ga thats what he meant

[red belfry]

Ahh i see ok my bad. Read it wrong 😂

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😅 I did as well so dont feel bad

[red belfry]

Also apparently the .338 in game is a 338 lapua mag. Although to me its a little lackluster for that round in the game. I think a new 338 round should be added. Maybe a win mag or remington ultra mag. Maybe a ruger guide gun or Winchester model 70 or remington 700. Or a browning bar in 338win mag.

For a new old lever a tion we could add the 348. Was pretty popular for a time.m for bear and elk. That or the 35 whelen or even 35 remington

[edgy forge]

Had that idea as an Apex reward

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Yea Huxley n I talked about a BAR in .338 as a semi T9 weapon

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However Double Barrel Duo Repeater Bolt Rifles would be a good T9 as well with a BAR 338 semi: • Blaser R93 Duo Hamed (6-9)- 375H&H: +260gr (6-7) +300gr (8-9) • Fusch Big5 Royal Blue (6-9)- 416 Rem Mag: +300gr (6-8) +400gr (9)

[red belfry]

I commented on that post before. I agree with it 100%

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Its crazy most ppl dont know what they are and they are really cool.

[red belfry]

Maybe some more double rifles. Theres a kodiak express double barrel rifle in 45-70. Maybe a 375 or 458. If we ever needed something bigger than 470 then maybe a bolt action 505 gibbs

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Nemo Omen 458win / Winchester Model 1895 - 405Win are also good choices

[red belfry]

I keep seeing those choices. So far all i got is the ai responses saying its a good idea

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I send replies to the support team when I get them or have issues.

[red belfry]

Same. Normally takes an hour to 2 days for then to respond

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Yea it helped alot on RC bc boy I was having issues its better now after I did a few things

[nimble spruce]

In my opinion a 22 creedmoor should be added as an alternative to the 243 because with equal weighted bullets the 22 has the same or a very little less muzzle energy but from ~100m on more energy than the 243 and it's also flatter shooting

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huh nvr heard of this one I'll look into it.

[nimble spruce]

it's a 6.5 creedmoor necked down to .22 CR42 Hunting did a nice comparison (22 creedmoor vs 243)

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isnt the 22creed just a wildcat of the 22.250?

looking at it it is a fatter casing like the 6.5 creed. Huh I wouldn't mind that as a 2-5 maybe 2-6 tier caliber.

[nimble spruce]

if 243 is 2-6 then 22 creed should absolutly be 2-6 as well

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6mm bullet vs 22cal bullet its tough but considering from what I can see it rivals 22-250 so yea 2-6. 243 is good but I really dont care for it irl 😓 i wouldn't shoot anything more than 5 tier with it personally.

[nimble spruce]

I never really use the 243 on classes 6 or even 5 either but if 243 is rated 2-6 and the 22 creed can deliver the same/more energy, also in my opinion the bullet diameter isn't that important when talking about ethical shots because it mainly determines the entrance hole and has little to do with what the bullet does inside the animal so for throphy hunting 22 creed would be even better

[red belfry]

It has a lot to do with terminal ballistics. 243 has a lot of hydrostatic shock and creates a large temporal wound cavity. Despite it being a small 6mm bullet, it punches above when people give it credit for. Theres a reason its allowed for elk and moose in some states irl. With a good bullet and a clean shot i would trust a 243 to do almost anything i need it too. Not saying any of the 22 centerfire rounds are bad. Im just saying ive seen 243 bullets zip thru a black bears shoukder and go thru both lungs, blowing up the heart and still leaving an exit wound. I’ve also seen whitetails shot with 22-250 and .223. Havent seen the .22 cm but those .22 bullets tend to smush on bone. At least all the ones i’ve seen. Federal fusion and swift A frames are always go-to’s. But even with a broadside shot the chance of hitting a rib is high. So i’ll take the .243 just from my experience from shooting/hunting etc.

[nimble spruce]

From what i've seen the 22 creedmoor can create an equal ore even larger wound cavity than the 243, depending on the distance, I don't know about a hydrostatic shock comparison between those two or what happens when it hits a bone, but I've seen a video of a whitetail being shot with the 22 creed and it got a double lung at about 300 yards if i remember correctly. Also as far as i know a well placed shot, even with a 223 can kill elk/moose so the 22 creed should be able to take them down as well (with a well placed shot ofcourse).

[red belfry]

Fully aware of that they can do it. But first the sake of the game; do we need a caliber that fills that niche? We have the 243, 22-250, and mosin. For that range of animals i think those 3 can cover what you’re asking for

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Honestly I wouldn't mind another 2 up caliber based on EW standards. However I prefer my reclass by ammo as an overall if we dont get additional ammo options. To me the reclass I did I feel is more than fair regardless of EW's caliber class balances.

[red belfry]

Agreed

[nimble spruce]

well the mosin doesn't cover class 2 and in my opinion the 22-250 (and 223) are way to weak on class 3 and 4 animals and I just want to use another weapon than the ranger. Yes I absolutly can cover all classes with 3 or 4 weapons but then there is always at least one class that's unnecessary difficult to kill (in terms of what time it takes for the animal to die after hitting a vital or being able to hit vitals at longer distances/worse angles)

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I will agree the balances are way off in this regard which is why I'm pushing the reclass system with ammo.

[red belfry]

I guess pick your shots better? And i havent noticed 22-250 being too weak on class 3 and 4. Took a grizzly with it on yukon

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I think its a bug bc alot of my shots dont pierce they show up as flesh hits even at close range.

[nimble spruce]

and how long took it to die of that?

[red belfry]

20 meters till it dropped

[nimble spruce]

yea maybe it's a bug. most of the time I used the 22-250 on feral goats they either wouldn't get vitals an slightly off angles or run more than 100m with a vital hit (both from way less then 200m shots)

[red belfry]

This is pretty consistent for me. About the only thing i cant get to lung with the .22-250 or .223 is moose and class 9. Except i can get bison. If they are under 80 meters i can get double lung reliably on bison. Been able to get single lung out to 390 with soft point ammo so far. For it to work with moose i need polymer bullets and 60 meters or closer for a single lung

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Yea its likely you dont have the random bug we get 😅 but eitherway I think bottomline both animals and calibers need reclassed and additional ammo is a solution. If not ammo then my general reclass concepts should be better than what we have now. Also this allows players to more utility to their caliber of choice.

[red belfry]

100%. Also just posted a zeroing change if you want to check it out and send feedback.

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1275566749756162068

[tired summit]

This would be great for making things more versatile

[dry thicket]

Yes it definitely would.

[topaz heart]

What’s the logic behind 30-06 being a class 3-8 when calibers like 6.5mm and 270 are tier 4-8, there isn’t a reason why 30-06 would be able to shoot a tier below those calibers, if anything it’s even more powerful

You also put most calibers with 2 different options that both have different classes, that’s usually not how it goes in this game, you get a soft point and hollow point in the same class range most the time, not different grained ammo. But it’s good to hope

Oh I just noticed you made different bullet ideas for every caliber, never mind then

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No worries 👍 yea the rebalance is purely based on irl ammo bc the base system doesn't allow players utility to their favored caliber(s).

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Weapon Packs & IRL Caliber Tiers

[edgy forge]

Just PLEASE EW, the gun nuts and irl hunters would flip for this

H*LL I'D PAY CASH FOR THIS

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I did alot more research into the huntable game we have since I knew nothing about them personally except US Game for the most part. So after actually looking at records, videos etc. I reevaluated the previous guess based on game logic & rescaled to IRL Game Size/Weight & Yes! Lions & Tigers remained T:9 Due to Danger level since they are classified under Dangerous Game IRL. Bullet types and weight are based on Huntable Game's Size/Weight and Reliability to ethically put them down. So, I see no reason why this isn't reasonable. Esp. since TH: CotW is intended to be a hunting game and semi simulate irl hunting respectively with some videogame logic. I also did a more realistic caliber/gauge Game Tier coverage as well based on actual bullet weight over EW's Video Game Weapon Class Restriction wall. https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1273124990723555491

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Thank you for the added reply sry it took so long to get it right 😅

[nimble spruce]

you forgot the .300WM and the .303s 150gr should be 3-6 because it has about 30% less energy compared to the 30-60s 165gr ammo

[dry thicket]

Thanks I must've missed it when I revised it

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its edited thanks again 👍

[nimble spruce]

now I would increase the all classes on the .300 by 1 [(150gr 4/ 178gr 5-7/ 200gr 8-9)] keep in mind it has way more power than the 303/308 (also maybe adjust the 308s range to 3-8 it's not a 2-8 rifle in my opinion)

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The 150gr actually is rated for 50-300lb game irl. I dont agree with it but it is. 308 110gr is a varmint round I use personally and is rated for them as well. I'd never use my 110gr on T:1 game it would blow them up but it works great on red foxes without obliterating them.

[nimble spruce]

but when talking about weapon loadouts this change would make all other weapons that cover classes 2-6 somewhat useless. If I could use one rifle to cover classes 1-8 there is no reason to carry two, which would serve the same purpose (I know it's not realistic to carry 3 or more rifles on a hunting trip but in terms of "game balance" it wouldn't make sense to implement this change)

[dry thicket]

Its meant to be authentic over game logic however the 300win I can jusify the adjustment however it is not rated for Tier 9 game. But bison is a tier 9 on the irl classification so its justifiable.

[dry thicket]

The whole VG mechanic goes against their vision as they claim "Intended to be a hunting game" if huntable game & calibers are restricted to a VG Mechanic wall. Plus me & several ppl are irritated about it. Players & irl hunters should have the option to use their favored caliber as intended over being restricted to a tier wall that makes no sense. That also includes gear weight but thats for a 3rd gen title. If ammo cant be added in then atleast the caliber tiers and Game Classes can be adjusted to IRL specs as I suggested for balance & utility. Africa 2.0 ppl are screaming for it to be as authentic as possible. So I see no reason why our calibers cant be. This also goes for all huntable game as well.

[red belfry]

I personally lke using 300h&h mag and 300win mag for whitetail irl. (Normally i use .32, 243, or 30-06) but they’re fun to take out sometimes. 300mag in game should be more useful. The class system is weird

[nimble spruce]

The problem is that EW tries to create difficulty by puting restrictions on the ammo which (I agree) makes zero sense. But if the game would be realistic a player would only carry 1 or tho rifles/shotgun/bow and many players just want to cover all classes with their setup so the most realistic hunting loadout for those people would probably be the .22-240 which is allowed on anything from hare/rabits to smaller deer and the .300win mag (which can take down anything from deer to moose and in theory even dangerous game. So for all those players all the other weapon would just be unnecessary and there would be very little to no sellpoint to future DLCs (for this specific part of the playerbase)

[red belfry]

Using the current class system, 300makes sense for SOME class 9 animals. Really just lion(although minimum cal is ether 9,3 or 375 irl usually) lion have been taken with 270. Along with them, the two species of bison. European and american. Most bison in north america on the boone and crocket list have been taken with .300 mags. Although i think they are a but weak for a class 9 in game. Other than that 300mag should be able to be class 4 easily. Or they add a class 10 and move some animals. Over to that

[dry thicket]

I have no issue with huntable game ai difficulty but there is no real difficulty to speak of regarding caliber to huntable game. They attempted a tier class by Weight & Danger Scale from IRL for the game specs that I seen online, but failed horribly in that regard.

[dry thicket]

Yea I do agree with bison in this respect however in size & weight they are in the dangerous game category irl. Technically Tier 8-10 are Dangerous Game class

[red belfry]

About the only guns that make sense are the .22lr’s and the 470. Although the 470 should also be class 8 maybe even 7. But that. I think 10mm is actually one of the only on point guns compared to irl. Maybe it should be 7 too. But its pretty close

Is class 10 just an understood rule but unwritten law of the game? Never seen one 😂

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Class 10 is 2800+ lb Game

[red belfry]

Ah

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Atleast from my observation from a general overview on huntable game, but Africa is really the only location that has the most game 2800+ that I know of

[red belfry]

Dont the water buffalo on parque count?

[dry thicket]

They are the same model if I recall thats also in Nepal from what I seen on their game listing and I have them in my thread as well with RL weight/sizes in the appropriate class.

[red belfry]

Forgot they were on nepal as well. Normally up trying to find snow leopards and i forget about the other game sometimes

[dry thicket]

I need to hunt Nepal more to add to my predator lodge. But I've had my handsful with my kids & my 2nd job here trying to improve the game moving fwd 🤣 its #1 on my game list & it has alot more potential. Minor tweaks and Huntable Game reworks this gen title would be perfect. 3rd gen I'd expect it to be above the rival hunting titles with all the feedback they get.

[red belfry]

Ew has a small team right? Things take time for sure

[dry thicket]

yea but the series has potential to be a AAA title. They just need to apply the right content, mechanics, and proper Co-op/multiplayer & I'm very confident it can be.

[red belfry]

Im just saying things take a while with less people

[dry thicket]

I'm aware and I can see it going till 2027 10yr anniversary before they quit making content. It would be smart by then to have a 3rd gen in the works.

[red belfry]

Has the game really been out that long?? I feel old

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2017 release

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Weapon Packs & IRL Caliber Game Tier Coverage

[nimble spruce]

To be honest, in my opinion the .300WM should include class 9 if the .375 h&h does it as well, because (depending on how far you can compare them with very different bullet weights) the .375 has just about 100-200 ft*lbs more energy (which is only 5-6%) and the velocity of the .375 is about 450 ft/s lower (about 20% less ) and as far as I know the bullet weight and diameter aren't the only important values when considering it for hunting

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I reconsidered and adjusted it bc it is capable to hunt bison & bison is in the Dangerous Game category IRL.

[nimble spruce]

Thank you xD

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Technically T: 8-10 fall under dangerous Game but bc of the size factor it does fall in the Tier 9 bracket.

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