Authentic Reclass C:1-9 to Game Categories

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***"Birds Only" ***
C:1
•Waterfowl/Upland Birds/Turkeys

• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1237863752964243507
• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1083391378920308858

Varmints/Small Game
C:2 (1-30lbs)
•Hares/Rabbits •Grey Fox 9lbsTibetan Fox 12lbs •Red Fox 15lbs •Side Stripped Jackel 25lbs •Racoon Dog 22lbs •Bobcat 25lbs •Racoon 26lbs

Medium Small Game
C:3 (30-50lbs)
•Musk Deer-Muntjac-Coyote-Lynx 40lbs

• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1184845232072818688

Medium Game (4-5)
C:4 (50-150lbs)
•Roe Deer 60lbs •Tahr-Axis Deer- 70lbs •Hog Deer-Peccary-Springbok-Chamois-Blackbuck-Iberian Wolf 80lbs •Sika Deer 90lbs •Grey Wolf 110lbs •Pronghorn-Snow Leopard 100lbs •Ibex-Blue Sheep-Mouflon-Feral Goat-Whitetail Deer-Mtn Lion/Puma 120lbs
•Kangaroo-Fallow 130lbs •Blacktail 150lbs

• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1217764542847909888
• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1114692251096989726

C:5 (150-300lbs)
Bighorn Sheep 150lbs •Mule Deer 180lbs •Boar-Pig-Hog-Warthog 220lbs •Mtn Goat 280lbs

• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1125130878813749309

"Large Game" (6-7)
C:6 (300-500lbs)
•Javan Rusa 330lbs •Reindeer/Caribou 350lbs •Red Deer 400lbs •Gemsbok-Blue Wildebeest 460lbs

C:7 (500-1100lbs)
•Barasingha-Nilgai 500lbs •Black Bear 600lbs •Sambar 700lbs •Elk 900lbs •Alligator 1000lbs

• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1111718419339952179

"Dangerous Game" (8-9)
C:8 (1100-1500lbs)
•Grizzly 900lbs •Eurasian Brown Bear 1000lbs •Moose 1500lbs

• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1120101900096909383

C:9 (1500-2800lbs)
•Lion 500lbs •Tiger 680lbs •Banteng 1800lbs •Cape Buffalo 1900lbs •Bison 2200lbs
•Salt Croc 2400lbs •Water Buffalo-Yak 2600lbs

• https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1246602254333509652

"Safari/XL Game"
C:10 (2800+lb)
•TBD

[pale crow]

I'd be happy to see this in game

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Ammo/Caliber Class Expansion--> https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1309326894684180560

[green scaffold]

Imo if snow leopards, sika deer and blue sheep are class 4, then so should axis deer as they all are 75kg max weight. And coyotes should be class 3 and get resized

Also mouflon are smaller then pronghorn and shouldn't even be consider for class 5. Also you forgot pronghorn and those should be class 4. Other then that great list.

Oh and warthogs need a resize and stay class 4 or even 5. Somehow they weigh 150kg xD

[regal estuary]

I agree coyotes (3 w/ resize) bc they should be bigger than a fox. Axis would be better as a 4 after giving it some thought. Mouflon never hunted so I'll look into it, pronghorn could've went either 3 or 4. Warthogs I just looked again & your right (5).

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This would be perfect

[regal estuary]

Spread the word I'm really trying to push this hard

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Ok

[pale crow]

So, we wanna reconsider class 1 gray fox?

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Coyotes defn. need resized and put to class 3 & I'm still looking for a T: 1 predator

[pale crow]

Gray foxes are the closest to tier 1 in game, they are small and not particularly tough. Speaking as a trapper, their hides are paper thin and it's difficult to work with it without tearing it. Other than grays, I'd say desert foxes would be closest to class one specs if they were in game. BTW .223 will shred the hide unless you use fmj to pass through without mushrooming, otherwise stick with 22lr or a .17 caliber

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I was thinking that as well, unless we get a weasel or something related to it 🤣 You know Mink might not be bad either

[pale crow]

I'd go pine marten or fisher, slightly bigger but makes for an interesting trophy.

Trapped one in TN once, told a guy in my gun club and he called his brother. Man drove from Iowa to get the thing to have it mounted, weasel I mean.

[regal estuary]

fishers are protected & idk about a pine martan never heard of them before

[split field]

Only thing I'd change is making the 375 260 gr bullet a 6-8 as I know it's used on animals of that size

[regal estuary]

Thats fair. I literally did a lot of research to find ammo for each of them to properly class the weapons with proper Tiers

[split field]

Well if you did that much research, I'm gonna go by your word

[pale crow]

Uh, are we sure about this?

Also, these things are way bigger than I thought, like WTH it's super weasel

[regal estuary]

Last I knew Fishers were protected in Alaska

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Pine Marten would be awsome

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They are classified as a furbearer species, for which a regulated trapping season and management program have been established. The regulated hunting of other furbearers, such as fox, coyote, raccoon and bobcat is permitted, but the hunting of fishers is prohibited.Feb 24, 2019

[pale crow]

In Alaska, but they have seasons in Canada and across their northern range in the US states apparently. They are apparently common in British Columbia. Wild, NEM could have had these things

[regal estuary]

Huh if thats true yea these would be an awsome addition, as a T: 2 predator. The Pine Marten would be great as a T: 1 predator

[pale crow]

Yeah, found an article about the Alaskan ones. They have been finding little bits of evidence for like 20 years but they didn't know if they were a native animal or displacement from Canada. The new laws must be aimed at growing the population. But otherwise there's seasons for them in Maine, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Can't get over how big they are

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oh yea there huge

[pale crow]

I'm considering taking a trip to they catching one lol

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🤣 They're real mean, I would pit these guys next to badgers they're pretty nasty.

[pale crow]

I got my knee broken by a feral pig and a groundhog sent me in for stitches, I'm used to aggressive small animals

[regal estuary]

yea Trash Pandas, Mtn Lion, & a Badger for me. Even so I still love predator hunts.

[pale crow]

Still, fisher would be awesome in game somewhere, especially a Canadian map.

[regal estuary]

Agree with ya there, like I said I was always under the impression they were protected due to over hunting & trapping. But, I've been wrong before and not ashamed to admit it when I am 😅

[pale crow]

I'd heard of trapping them before but I didn't put much thougt into them until a few minutes ago. Knew nothing apparently

[regal estuary]

Hey thats whats great about a huntin community we learn from 1 another.

[pale crow]

I know it's been said before, but tree mechanics for squirrels would be awesome, and pine martens could function like that just as a larger target

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But you do have a valid point on the 6-9 for 375H&H. But yea I spent hours looking at ammo and trying to decipher an ammo mechanic & Animal tiers to be more accurate.

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yea Jaxy said something about that today as well that they tried it and it didn't work out.

[pale crow]

Dang, I remember an old cabela's game that had squirrels though, must be possible somehow

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I think they had issues with it and it took an ungodly amount of work to develop n he also said something about it becoming predictable and it took away from the immersive factor because of it. But he said not to rule it out just yet bc they might find a way at somepoint who knows. But, yea if we had wildlife climbing or perching in trees that would be pretty lit.

I still overkill trash pandas in-game I hate them with a passion. Its funny Jaxy was also talking about them as well in todays stream. All I could do is shake my head and agree while laughing about it.

[twilit hedge]

More small predators would be sweet imo. Hunting fishers and badgers would be awesome, mean suckers

[stuck thorn]

A few of them had Squirrels as a huntable species

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Animal & Ammo Re-Class

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Animals & Ammo Balanced & Re-Classed

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https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1274232957359489106

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Animals Re-Classed & Balanced

[neat coral]

I think the classing thing is kinda dumb, because hunt whitetail with a .300 Or pronghorn with a .308 is very popular, but like 5 people say it’s, “unethical”

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Its bc we dont have bullet weights for appropriate game. And its a game mechanic they used to divide up the weapons & Game. And a .308 is fine on pronghorn doesn't leave a fist sized hole like a .300win does on whitetail.

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[uneven radish]

Muntjac weight nearly 30kg would See them more in class 3

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K I'll adjust thanks

[tame pebble]

maybe EW should change the weapon classes to weight suggestions and instead of having the weapon class in the harvestcheck they could add a "max time to kill" and "callibers not allowed" for the species to prevent "overkill". With this system it would pass the harvestcheck if you would shoot a fox with the .22 lr at closer ranges (which is allowed irl at some places) or you could neckshot a roe with the .22 lr, just to give some examples. It would also "reward" more difficult shots to pass the harvestcheck because right now it's basically "hit any vital, no matter how long it takes to die" (having .243 vs gemsbok in mind)

or they could use some kind of "min/max energy of the bullet" system

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If it were up to me to reassign a bare bones mechanic. It would by category: •Waterfowl/upland Bird •Varmints •Small Game •Medium Game •Large Game • Dangerous Game-----Weapons/calibers would say which category(s) they can be used in. Thats as basic as you could get.

[tame pebble]

to be honest, I would prefer this basic system over our current system

[regal estuary]

Make a post n see what ppl think about it. I'm aiming towards immersion with options as close to irl as possible within the limits of the engine or as a 3rd gen title feature. Which is why I always like the input esp. From those seeking realistic over fantasy. For the record I'd love EW to make a mythical hunting game as well, it would be hilarious to shoot Pixies with shotguns "TheHunter: Realm of Mythical Creatures" 🤣

[north pelican]

So, this is mostly agreeable, but some nitpicks. Firstly, grey fox are the same weight range as tibetan, so it makes no sense to have them in 2 different classes.
Second, muntjac and musk deer absolutely do not need a class up I think, they are very small and certainly not class 3 material.
Third, gemsbok should be in class 7 atleast, they are way tankier than most class 6s and did not need to drop 2 classes at all.
Sorry if this seems abit of a ramble, but some of these make me genuinely curious.

[regal estuary]

I forgot about the Tibet fox honestly but your right 😅, muntjac are 62lbs musk deer are (37lbs), gemsbok I put in 7 with black bear with a size factor. Both are between 500-600lbs and hardy however, yes pumas a 7 simply bc its a large cat. If I went with size alone lions and tigers would sit at a T-7 on the weight factor.

[old wave]

2 things: number 1 why would a bovine species able to reach over 2000 pounds not be in the highest tier? And before you say anything about skin strength of a plains bison I can bet that they would probably be around the toughness of a banteng which is a cattle species 800 pounds smaller yet deserves to be in a tier above? Also what do reindeer and caribou do to deserve tier 6? They weight up to 190kg in the game and mule deer are 20kg heavier yet are in 2 tiers below? You can’t even use the danger factor because both caribou and mule deer are relatively harmless deer species.

Also bobcats are about half the weight of lynx, just cuz they are similar doesn’t mean they should be in the same tier. I think bobcats should stay in tier 2, they are about the size of a red fox

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bobcats = 40lbs lynx = 60-70lbs. And are a class 3 game over a fox = 30lbs or a raccoon = 20lbs. As for bison being an 8 its bc they are not as hardy as a cape or water buffalo. And Caribou/Reindeer have always been T:6 and do not get as large as Elk. As for bantengs I dont know anything about them n I have no issue with it being an 8 bc to me its just a big cow.

[old wave]

i know riendeer are a tier 6, wheres the explanition though? why are they in 2 higher tiers than mule deer

[regal estuary]

Mule deer dont get to 400lbs

[old wave]

well then it seems to be an issue with the weight of the aniamls in game

because mule deer are heavier there, also whats with a 75kg thar being a class above a double the size mule deer? toughness again?

[regal estuary]

Monster Trophy mule deer can get to 400lbs but avg between 200-300lbs

[regal estuary]

i know nothing of Tahr other then they are fancy sheep. But yes toughness and size have a factor when being specified on what caliber to use more specifically what bullet type & weight. The issue with the current system is the classes are defn. not balanced or accurate as is. 2nd they restricted calibers to 2 bullet types to cover game in tiers 1-9 by --> 1/ 1-2/ 2-6/ 3-7/ 4-8/ 5-9/ 7-9/ 9. <--Not accurate bc every caliber is not balanced. The reclass I did is more realistic to irl as one could guess between Game: Size, Toughness, & Danger level. I also broke down each caliber to be more realistic irl based on bullet weight & general use. I did not do bullet types bc their are 5+ for nearly all of them that also extends class range.

[regal estuary]

as for Tahr its a big sheep that I would par with bighorn sheep

if I went off of weight alone wolves would be T:4 100-150lbs/ Puma-Mtn Lion T:5 200lbs/ lions & tigers between T:6 & 7 400-600lbs irl not 700lbs <--(game logic)

[regal estuary]

As I said before I'm aiming for more immersion & as realistic as possible. If ammo wont be added then the weapon (Game classes) need to be adjusted as I demonstrated in my thread. Also for the sake of realistic game class tiers my listing is nearly spot on minus a few that could go either way. I think most hunters would agree its pretty darn close.

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I found our T-1 predator: Swift Fox aside from a Grey Fox

[pale crow]

They are tiny, will admit

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I've been digging like h*** to find another realistic choice.

[pale crow]

Yeah, there's very few realistic choices for class 1 predators. Foxes and maybe martens are the only 2 I can think of aside from feral cats or something like a goanna

[regal estuary]

Yea I hear ya. Alot of critters I've been looking at were endangered or protected so it was pretty hard to find 1. I'm also taking a page from Jaxy & I'm working on an Upland Game gated reserve idea since there isn't a location that has 75% of upland birds on them. I think wyoming was the only location that had 7-9 or so if I recall. So I'm looking to add new species between 1-3. I think RC was ok but heavily waterfowl dedicated it would be nice to get an upland reserve with pointers and then Texas as a US close as well as Northern Canada. At that point it leaves: South Americas Amazon/Africa 2.0/ & another Eastern reserve as a close to this gen title.

lol I keep forgetting the Tibetan Fox as well in T-1 🤣 I really need to play Nepal I havn't put hardly anytime into it

[pale crow]

Same, doesn't feel like my kind of place tho

[regal estuary]

Mine either but I have to finish my lodge. I have a dedicated predator lodge I've been slowly adding. Nothing mind blowing like Diamonds and fur colors unless I happen to get them.

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Game Tiers 1-9: IRL

Revisited - IRL Game weights Displayed with Realistic Tiers

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I updated the Tier list with deeper findings.

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Before ppl ask; YES I deliberately moved Geese & Turkeys to T:2 bc they need their own shells not T:1 birdshot. As an alt I also did Caliber & Ga balances. #1274232957359489106 message <--Gauges & Shells Rebalanced.

[pale crow]

I'd love to see this adopted. Going by weight makes so much more sense than the system now it's ridiculous

[regal estuary]

I did alot more research into the huntable game we have since I knew nothing about them personally outside of the general sense, except US Game for the most part. So after actually looking at records, videos etc. I reevaluated the previous guess based on game logic & rescaled to IRL Game Size/Weight & Yes! Lions & Tigers remained T:9 Due to Danger level since they are classified under Dangerous Game IRL. Bullet types and weight are based on Huntable Game's Size/Weight and Reliability to ethically put them down. So, I see no reason why this isn't reasonable. Esp. since TH: CotW is intended to be a hunting game and semi simulate irl hunting respectively with some videogame logic. I also did a more realistic caliber/gauge Game Tier coverage as well based on actual bullet weight over EW's Video Game Weapon Class Restriction wall.

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1274232957359489106

[regal estuary]

I couldn't agree more 🤝

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Not sure if you seen the rework but I fixed it to the actual IRL classes to avoid any more headaches with the game logic stats.

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I got tired of trying to make sense of EW's Game logic so its been revised to actual IRL Classes after doing alot of strenuous research into each game animal in CotW thus far. I didn't go too deep into the bird game but Turkeys & Geese have separate shells IRL so they were bumped to T:2. Other than that its been revised as they should be if you'd like to give it a 2nd glance.

#1273124990723555491 message <--Back to the Top

[regal estuary]

I'd like your thoughts on this https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1276925635696001054

[stuck thorn]

Part of the reason I upvoted this: Lions and Tigers are still a Class 9 Species

And your reasoning for keeping them as Class 9 species is one I agree with

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Its a fact so I see no reason why I'd alter it from RL. This is your standard ranges when it comes to game irl. The in-game logic & calibers are mostly based on an rpg mechanic over RL. I'll give credit where its due and meet in the middle with EW for trying but its not accurate. Bullet types and weight are based on the "Game's Size/Weight and Reliability to ethically put them down."

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After further review I revised the list Above #1273124990723555491 message based on additional findings overlooked the 1st time around.

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Authentic Reclass C:1-9 to Game Categories

[woven laurel]

im not a big expert on animals but how would turkeys be class 1 and rabbits class 2?

[narrow goblet]

Now this would make me be fine with pronghorn going back to class 4

[regal estuary]

Technically <1-10lb game is Class 1 & 10-30lb is class 2 game. I've been reading alot of feedback related to 22LR & 22H along with various C:1-3 Calibers & Game. So yes technically Turkeys/geese would fall in C:2 but birdshot is C:1 except 10ga. Also Rabbits/Hares 3-8lbs up to Raccoons are Small Game. Though birdshot & .22 is ideal for rabbits there's other calibers suitable as well such as the 223 & 243 on the low end. Bare in mind I'm also taking into account of additional varmints being added in the future like Marmots, Meerkat, Prairie Dogs etc. & technically 22LR should be (1-2) & 22H (1-3).

[woven laurel]

22lr barely does damage on turkeys with a flesh shot which is common to hit

[regal estuary]

I have an issue with turkeys with the 22LR it shouldn't drop them unless you get a headshot. But in-game it drops them instantly. If EW added Turkey & Goose shells I'd gladly put them in Class 2. But Honestly I have an issue with the current Class 1 - 3 Game Specifically. Class 1 should be birds only, Class 2 Small Game & Varmints, Class 3 Medium Small Game. Class 4 & above is ofc Deer - Cape

Hope that makes sense. I edited it to reclarify.

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