#Needed Changes and Improvements

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dusty wraith
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Weapons Class:

  • .300 Magnum ( class 7-9 ) --> ( class 6-9 )
  • .6,5mm ( class 4-8 ) --> ( class 3-7 )
  • .257 ( class 2-6 ) --> ( class 3-6 )
  • .300 blk ( class 3-6 ) --> ( class 2-5 )

Animal Class:

  • Saltwater Crocodile ( class 8 ) --> ( class 9 )
  • Nilgai ( class 6 ) --> ( class 7 )
  • Puma/Mountain Lion ( class 5 ) --> ( class 6 )
  • Mountain Goat ( class 4 ) -- class 5 )
  • Iberian Wolf ( class 6 ) --> ( class 5 )
  • Axis Deer ( class 3 ) --> ( class 4 )

Needed Remastered Animals:

  • Plains Bison
  • European Bison
  • Lion
  • Cape Buffalo
  • Grizzly Bear
  • Roosevelt Elk
  • Rocky Mountain Elk
  • Blue Wildebeest
  • Gemsbok
  • Mountain Lion/Puma
  • Iberian Wolf
  • Warthog
  • Lesser Kudu
  • Iberian Mouflon
  • Beceite Ibex
  • Gredos Ibex
  • Southeastern Spanish Ibex
  • Ronda Ibex
  • Blacktail Deer
  • Sika Deer
  • Chamois
  • Springbok
  • Siberian Musk Deer
  • Coyote
  • Side-Striped Jackal
  • European Hare
  • White-Tailed Jackrabbit
  • Scrub Hare
  • Harlequin Duck

New TruRACS:

  • Blue Wildebeest
  • Gemsbok
  • Cape Buffalo

Rework TruRACS:

  • Cape Buffalo
  • Iberian Mouflon
  • Beceite Ibex
  • Gredos Ibex
  • Southeastern Spanish Ibex
  • Ronda Ibex
  • Blacktail Deer

Need Zones:

  • Remove the Drinking Zone to: Beceite Ibex, Gredos Ibex, Southeastern Spanish Ibex and Ronda Ibex.

Changes in waterfowl:

  • The duck species: Mallards, Eurasian Wigeon, Wood Duck & Northern Pintail, should fly at the same height as the other ducks, not at the same height as the geese.
fading sapphire
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•375H&H (T:7-9) •.338 (T: 6-8) •.300 (T: 5-8) •30-06 (T: 4-8) •.308 (T: 3-7) •30-30 (T: 3-7) •300blk: (T: 2-6) •6.5 (T: 3-7)

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•Cape (T-9) •Water (T-9) •Bentang (T-9) •Yak (T-9) •Lions/Tigers (T-8) •Brown/Grizzly (T: 8) •Moose/Bison (T: 8) •Black Bear (T: 6)

ashen gazelle
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Brown bear in the same class as black bear has always been something strange, it never made sense. Just like the Iberian wolf being in the same class as the gray wolf.
I believe that .6.5 is used by some hunters for roe deer, perhaps being 3-7 would fit perfectly with the map covering all its species

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ashen gazelle
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I believe that in Cuatro they are more aggressive than in Yukon 🤔

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drifting plinth
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I actually quite like Saltwater Crocodiles in 8, suites them well.

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ashen gazelle
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interesting, I never got to compare the attack level of yukon with medved

willow loom
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graceful granite
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Hey just my thoughts on it but .30-30 should be a 3-7 and the .45-70 should be 6-9

Too many better weapons for classes 4 and 5 for the .45-70 to have to cover those too. I can tell you from a lifetime of experience nobody I'd using a .30-30 to take raccoons and coyotes if they have any choice in it, they do love them for black bear though

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fallow gale
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Oh also, make callers weigh less. Often they're all plastic and light as a feather. Some hunters have whole ass keychains of them. They should be inconsequential

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subtle garden
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Can we add bighorn horns to the remake list? because they're awful currently

sharp lynx
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Let’s just put almost every animal released before Revontuli coast on that list

dusty wraith
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Grandhare classes is changed!!!!

dusty wraith
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Big Needed Update

drifting plinth
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Move .300 to 5-8

uneven shuttle
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I absolutely agree with remastering the wolves, elk, grizzly bear and jackals… they’re sooo ugly 😭

drifting plinth
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.22-250 is fine where it is at

Move .270 to 3-7.

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Mountain lion are also perfectly fine where they are at.

uneven shuttle
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add lions to the remodel list ? they need some tweaks

shy merlin
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cant believe you named jackals and lions before cape buffalo given they're on the same map. While the others are just dated models, the capes dont even look like cape buffalo anatomically.

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shy merlin
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Didn't bother to scroll up, my bad.

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obsidian prairie
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great idea!

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dusty wraith
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Needed Changes and Improvements

thorny hearth
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Caribou and maybe Reindeer need to be remodeled, too.

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fallow gale
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I'd have it so wolves will attack but they're still easily put off if you shoot at them enough

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tribal moon
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The .300 is fine as a 7-9... I know everyone has a fetish or fascination of being able to take Red Deer with it ethically to make grinds easier, and IRL a .300 for Red Deer is probably fine, but in the game it makes sense the way it is.

I think the .270 should absolutely be for classes 3-7 given the way its effectiveness (or lack of) works, and if that happens then the 6.5mm needs to be a 2-6 or 3-6 because it's not as good, at least in the game, as the .270 for most species. I know IRL the .270 is good for Moose and even in the game it will take them down (albeit slowly) but I think it's just not as effective as other Class 8 weapons and would serve loadouts better as a 3-7.

The .308 is definitely good where it is for classes 4-8; it is too powerful for Class 3 animals. I know there's a thing with people using it on Pronghorn IRL but with the way the game is structured, it's just an unfortunate incompatibility.

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dusty wraith
fallow gale
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  1. I've seen the 375 used on animals like gemsbok and zebra

  2. Class 7 is bears. The 375 is used on bears all the time

fading sapphire
# dusty wraith It would be unrealistic for the 375 to ethically hunt class 6s. They put it for ...

With all do respect but you may want to do more research. https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/#!/ 375 H&H is used from deer up to safari game IRL. As for in-game EW made it into a cannon & literally drops everything it touches. The issue Is calibers are preset by 2 ammo variants SP/HP & PT/HC that are class locked with no grain/gram weights to clarify. However as I've debated before every caliber in-game has various applications not bc of caliber but ammo load & bullet type. I'm certain your already aware of that as well as a good number of the community, however the issue I have is many dont an have no clue so they assume.

fading sapphire
# fallow gale My reason for wanting the 300 and 375 to be 6-9 is that such guns are used that ...

I agree & disagree. If EW did the calibers and ammo use correctly, I would agree. 300Win should technically be 4-8 & 375 H&H a 4-9 between actual ammo options & availability. If EW did this the same as the Hudzik w/ 2 different ammo class options & Shotguns & Bows that have 3 different class ammo options this would've made way more sense. However given the extent of power EW betrayed the calibers to be 375 H&H would sit nicely with a 6-9 & 300Win 5-9. I would've been happy with the 375 at 5-9 given the 9.3x74R but Ppl only care about game balances when it shouldn't be a factor in a hunting title esp. when multiple rifle calibers have ammo available for various game.

fallow gale
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Ideally yeah ammo would be redone

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However overall, I do agree with this thread as I too am pushing for more accurate class reworks with my own threads. Only change I'd make is the 300win as a 5-9 & respectively the 375 H&H as a 6-9 unless EW releases an ammo expansion dlc &/or update. I truly hope they do at some point if not then I really hope they take it into account for the next title.

tribal moon
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I really think if they lowered the class range for the Soft Points, it would make more sense. I use soft points a lot, and most of them are pretty effective. I actually do enjoy tracking, which is a part of the hunting experience, so I don't need animals to drop on the spot. For example, if they keep the 6.5mm Polymer Tips as Class 4-8 ammo (which it's not really effective for) but then made the 6.5mm Soft Points 2-6 or 3-7, I would use the 6.5mm a lot more often.

Another example; the .22LR Truncated Cone ammo is 17 Penetration with 1 Expansion for only Class 1 while the .22H Polymer Tips are 15 Penetration and 3 Expansion for Classes 1-2. So they're saying an ammo that penetrates less is effective on a larger class of animals just because it expands unnoticeably more? Maybe because the rifle itself packs a bigger punch? If that's the case, then we should have a Rifle Power score to differentiate similar ammo or even for rifles that use the same ammo as another. But on the topic of the .22LR and ammo class changes, keep the .22LR Jacked Hollow-Points as Class 1 but make the Truncated Cones 1-2 since it's realistic to use the .22LR on raccoons and foxes and it would still retain the game balance.

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woeful coral
# twilit wind Yesterday on YouTube, I saw a hunter who hunted an Oribi with a .416 Remington. ...

Nope not at all
The if you hunt a Oribi or any small antelope with a large caliber like the .416 you tend to get the best results on terms of both a quick ethical kill that requires 0 tracking and minimal pelt damage due to minimal expansion of the bullet, especially when using solid bullets. My dad's best friend has hunted a Duiker with his .416 Rigby and it was perfectly fine afterwards. Some PH's actually recommended using such a big caliber for them to insure and instant kill and avoid loosing them in thick bush because they ran off after being shot with a smaller caliber. Here's even a photo of someone who took a Duiker with a .416

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woeful coral
# dusty wraith It would be unrealistic for the 375 to ethically hunt class 6s. They put it for ...

I've personally hunted Impala with 300gr .375 H&H hand loads and seen it be done in person. It does minimal pelt and meat damage on Impala which are between Sika deer and Whitetail deer in size, so C4. Hell, here's a photo of an Impala ram hunted by a friend using a .375 H&H with 300gr factory loads, I was there when we picked him up after the hunt (it's not him in the photo it's the tracker) and that buck was in good condition say for the clean through and through hole in it, and just like always when shooting Impala whilst meat hunting with the .375, minimal loss of meat and pelt and the thing dropped like a sack of stone where it stood after a good double lung shot. So, based on irl performance, the .375 could easily be a C4 - C9 in game, but that would be "OP"

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fallow gale
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It should be 4-9

woeful coral
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I'm going on a bit of a tangent now but .375 H&H has my heart so I'll do what I must.

The .375 H&H was originally intended to use 3 factory loads, those being the 235gr load, 270gr load and the 300gr load. The 235gr load was intended to be able to take dainty antelope and gazelle at distances of 300yrds. 270gr was intended for bigger game like Wildebeest, Kudu and the sort at range or close up as well. Both the 235gr and 270gr are decently flat shooting. The 300gr was initially intended for dangerous game but has been found to be very reliable amongst biltong hunters who don't want to loose their animal and pay full price for something they aren't getting (that's the policy on most farms, what you shoot is what you pay for whether you recover it or not)

So based off of real life performance and testimony the .375 H&H could be a versatility monster in game with these loads.

235gr load -> C3-C8 @2800fps
[Zeroing: 75m, 150m, 300m]
270gr load -> C2-C9 @2650fps
[Zeroing: 75m, 150m, 250m]
300gr load -> C2-C9[10] @2500fps
[Zeroing: 50m, 100m, 150m]

Now of course as far as the devs and community are concerned that is grossly 'op' but it's also pretty realistic
Apologies for the essay, the .375 H&H is just my absolute favorite caliber and the current class system/harvest check in CotW irks me

fallow gale
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I prefer realism to balance

woeful coral
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Extracts from "Rifles for Africa" from the chapter "The All-Purpose Rifle" by Gregor Woods

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fallow gale
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It's the best basic gun for many contexts

dusty zealot
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Idk about anybody else, but I think the .300 should be 4-9, a lot like the .300 in Classic, which is ethical for most game in the EHR

green flame
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i dont agree with Black bear and crocodille also why would they remove grand slam ibex drink zones

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dusty zealot
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dusty zealot
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My personal opinion is that EW should remove classes entirely and do what they have in Classic. When you go to buy a rifle, it says what that rifle is ethical for. Here is a provided picture.

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dusty wraith
# dusty zealot My personal opinion is that EW should remove classes entirely and do what they h...

it is not necessary to eliminate the classes, it would simply be necessary to add bullet variants with different weights to cover more species with each rifle, this would not be done to all calibers since some calibers have an adequate range of classes but the 300 for example should have a type of bullet for classes 5, 6 and 7 and then another for classes 8 and 9, this would be adding 2 types to several calibers, one with high weight and another with low weight, by doing this there would be calibers that you can use for new classes such as the .300 magnum of 5-7 and 8-9, the .338 of 6-7 and 8-9, the .270 of 3-5 and 6-8, the 6`5mm of 3-5 and 6-7, etc.

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