The MTs255: An Overdue Replacement For Grankin's Shotgun

[prime elm]

Ever since MedVed released almost six years ago now (God that makes me feel old), I always felt that Grankin's shotgun was seriously out of place.

I mean, how is an old man living in rural Northern Siberia going to get his hands on an American style O/U shotgun? It doesn't match the character or location of the reserve given that it's a definitively American design sitting in Siberia. Moreover, it's not a very unique mission reward, especially when prepared to interesting skins like the 6.5MM "Rayo" on Cuatro Colinas or the "Championship" .338 on Parque Fernando or map-specific weapons like the Gandhare Rifle on Sundarpatan.

The visual model was/is far too corroded (even for an old beaten up hermit's gun) and a bit of an eye sore because of that.

So, I think a new shotgun should replace the rusty old O/U that has sat unchanged for that past five plus years.

The MTs255 is a Russian-made double-action revolver shotgun that was first introduced in both law enforcement and civilian models in 1993. As a Russian-made firearm it would fit the environment of MedVed much better than the overtly Amero-European design that we currently have in game. Moreover, it could also benefit from a weathered (but not destroyed) skin comparable to the Gandhare Rifle. Some marring on the stock with the loss of bluing around the muzzle and cylinder hinger would be a great way to show its age while not looking too corroded to be safely used.

It would also provide more variety to the game and fill the void left by the current absence of a revolver shotgun.

Footnotes:

-It is also made in 20, 28, and 32 GA as well as .410 bore, which opens the door to multiple variants in different chamberings.

-I am specifically advocating for the inclusion of the wooden-stocked civilian version intended for hunting and sport shooting, but have also included images of the law enforcement variant, the MTs255-12, for reference

[kind tree]

Goated

[prime elm]

Thank you for your support, Gregory 💀

[strong stream]

Hell yeah 🇷🇺 🔥

[prime elm]

It's a dope shotgun and more people need to know about it

I also think there are pistol versions available but I'm not super clear on if they're produced or just a result of people putting a pistol grip on it and cutting the barrel down

[prime elm]

After sone further research it appears that pistol versions have been made in both law enforcement and civilian models. I am unsure as to the stories behind the pistol civilian models, but the pistolized law enforcement variants do have some intriguing lore behind them.

Some time after the MTs255-12 became rather popular with Russian law enforcement officers and servicemen in their military an interesting trend was noticed among those operating it. For clearing buildings many had kept the wire stock folded or even removed it entirely, leaving it with only a pistol grip for a rear point of contact.

In response to this some of the enginners who designed the original MTs255 and 255-12 made a pistolized variant, which entailed the removal of the stock and the shortening of the barrel to approximately eight inches. It was also modified to use "less lethal" ammunition when used as a crowd control implement and defense sidearm by Russian law enforcement officers and special forces (supposedly).

It was designated as the OTs-62 (bottom right picture), and it is exceptionally difficult to find any information on this due to its apparently secretive existence

I would definitely be interested in seeing multiple variants of this shotgun come to the game, including the OTs-62 and a pistolized civilian MTs255 for additional shotgun pistols to complement the .45LC/.410 revolver.

[onyx junco]

YES PLEASE

[prime elm]

Feel free to spread the word! If this gains enough traction EW might see it and consider it for addition!

-# please God let them replace the old rusty caversham

[onyx junco]

This could be a whole weapon pack idea on its own, I was actually considering this a couple days ago. Not this particular model, but revolver long arms in general

[prime elm]

A good potential idea would be to have the common standard civilian MTs255 added as a replacement for Grankin's shotgun on MedVed while the other variants are in a weapon pack.

For instance, the MTs255-12 and OTs-62 could both be added in a revolving arms weapon pack, with the -12 having an option to remove or fold the stock and operate it with just the pistol grip (possibly gaining a faster ADS time maybe?). Of course the pistolized variant of the standard 255 should also be included.

There are also several pistol caliber revolving carbines that could be added, like the Colt M1855 and M1838 for black powder options.

Reloading them would be super tedious, but they would be neat.

Feel free to borrow any of the ideas you see here for a Revolving Arms Weapon Pack idea (especially the pistols and the -12)!

[onyx junco]

Colt model 1855, as far as reloading goes you just swap cylinders. For black powder revolvers it was common to carry 2 or 3 cylinders because it was faster than reloading in a gun fight

[prime elm]

awesome, much more feasible to add an animate than i thought it would be

would love to see more revolvers come to the game (I just hope they don't make the camera go sideways like the Rolleston does when you shoot crouched or prone or lay still while holding it whole prone)

[onyx junco]

Yeah, they need a little more love. My thread is up now, tagged you and this post so here's hoping

[prime elm]

Just saw it come up! Thanks for the mention!

[eternal helm]

I just remembered that I included this shotgun on the list of potential weapons for my Malaysian Reserve concept ( #1253950873248206878 )

[prime elm]

Awesome, maybe between the two idea threads can complement each other enough to get them both recognized.

Dope reserve idea btw, tropical asia would be a seriously cool hunt

[prime elm]

I should also note that the multiple chamberings for this shotgun do provide the option for new gauges such as 28 and 32GA.

This would work well as a weapon made unique by multiple chambering options, especially if some version of it is included in a weapon pack as suggested by @onyx junco in his https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1271542508706463766 thread.

[glossy nimbus]

I think one in 32, 28, 410, and 12ga should be added. At least the first 3. Adds 2 new gauges and gives an actual use for the 410. Also would give us slugs and buckshot for it which we could also use in the revolver

[prime elm]

Agreed, it would be a great addition in .410 for more ammo types or as a 32 or 28 GA for an entirely new gauge.

This was also included in @onyx junco's https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1271542508706463766 suggestion thread, which I believe has been forwarded to the dev team.

So, there is a very real chance that this post has also been seen and it will either replace Grankin's shotgun or be added in weapon pack.

Who knows, maybe we'll get both.

[onyx junco]

I got the bot message and there's a link in my post to this one so they must have at least been curious enough to come and have a look. At least I hope so

[prime elm]

Unless that was part of the forwarding.

Maybe the idea is include some version of the weapon pack you posted and replace Grankin's shotgun.

We can hope! 🤞

[onyx junco]

I'd be more than happy to have any more unique weapons, and tbh grankins shotgun was always really underwhelming

[prime elm]

yeah getting a reskinned caversham instead of a truly unique mission weapon was always a big letdown

[glossy nimbus]

Would have also made sense if they had the mosin as a mission weapon for that map too

[prime elm]

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[clever light]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1241002536262172795

[prime elm]

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[lone blaze]

Two words……. Revolver Shotgun

[prime elm]

🤞

[prime elm]

26 upvotes, gaining ground slowly but surely

[prime elm]

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[glossy nimbus]

5 shots of 12ga, pretty fast too. Would be like a semi almost. I doubt we will get moon clips or speed loaders like the revolvers but we’ll see

[prime elm]

hopefully it gets added as a replacement for grankin's shotgun, because the super corroded skin on the caversham is just so bland

[glossy nimbus]

Agreed. Although over/under shotguns are pretty popular in europe for hunting, i would like the revolving shotgun more considering we already have quite a few doubles

[tight prairie]

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[lone blaze]

Revolver…………………………………………………………,………………Shotgun

[prime elm]

revolver shotgun!

[viscid pagoda]

Grankin's Shotgun is one of my favorites in the game specifically because of how it looks. I liked it a bit more before the stats were changed to match the Caversham... The description specifically says Grankin modified it and the stats showed that, with faster reload hips hot, etc. but then one of the updates they just changed it into a Caversham color variant. Such a shame. However, because I love using Boomstick to fire both barrels at once, I still use Grankin's Shotgun quite often and don't feel like it needs replaced. But to have something else that's cool in addition to it, I can get behind that.

[glossy nimbus]

I also use the boomstick perk often. But there’s plenty of other double barrels to be used. I think most everyones issue with the over/under is the rail that doesnt need to be there for the iron sights

[quiet quail]

I looked into it a little and it would appear the Grankins is actually a Baikal MP-27 which means it’s not THAT out of place.

[prime elm]

very interesting, it always looked more like a browning design to me but I can definitely see the resemblance

[glossy nimbus]

Regardless, i think the revolving shotgun would give us a better choice as we already have 2 other o/u 12ga shotguns that are identical minus how they look. We dont really need 3 of the same gun if the only difference is looks in my opinion

[viscid pagoda]

I use the shotgun scope on it and don't worry about how the rail looks, I don't notice it to be honest because I'm not focused on it

[glossy nimbus]

For most of us using it with birdshot for moving targets that rail is detrimental 😂 with the scope its amazing with slugs and even buckshot. Especially using the boomstick perk.

[quiet quail]

It’s supposed to be a birding gun.

[glossy nimbus]

With that being its main role you would think they would add more bird species to that map too

But in the story it talked about how grankin really only used his shotgun for bears. For that i feel the mts255 would be a better option maybe. Definitely with buckshot it would be better for the wolves 😂

[prime elm]

I am very much unfond of the rail obscuring the FOV around the bead on the cavershams

It's also aethetically ugly since it doesn't get painted along with the reciever and barrels for the few of us who customize our guns lol

[prime elm]

I would also like it more if the anodized finish on the rail was faded and not chipped and corroded because even on the normal caversham it makes it look unsafe to use lol

[viscid pagoda]

I customize all of my weapons except the mission unlock color variants. I feel like stuff like Grankin's Shotgun, 6.5mm Rayo, F.L. Sporter Laminated and stuff like that are too good to color over. And I really enjoy the worn down design of Grankin's... I just wish it still had the different stats so it truly seemed modified like the description and story suggest. That's my biggest complaint more than the rail on it

[prime elm]

Totally understandable!

Honestly making it individually unique as Grankin's Shotgun could definitely be doable with the MTs255 by, for instance, giving it reduced recoil and a slightly faster total rate of fire given some assumed trigger group modifications and a stock replacement

[viscid pagoda]

It could work. And with the cosmetic pack we got last year that gives weapons a worn down and torn up design and a rusted barrel, I could make it look close to Grankin's Shotgun anyway. So I'd be okay with it. I'm just saying if it didn't happen I'm still fine.

[prime elm]

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[clever light]

We need these Gauges badly with slugs & access to optics.

[prime elm]

agreed

[clever light]

if I could only choose 1 it would be a Rev410 from Revolution Armory with slugs.

Honestly these would pair perfectly with RC and my Wyoming gated Upland Bird reserve concept.

[prime elm]

feel free to include this in other suggestions of yours if you want, I consider it open property lol

[clever light]

lol I defn. will for sure idk why ppl get upset if I share a thread. I share multiple threads from others on my own bc they should get reviewed and considered. Your thread was an example of what I tried to explain earlier it was buried.

[prime elm]

yep, smaller threads tend to need help a lot since they get buried, feel free to spread the word!

thanks for taking the time to look at it!

[clever light]

no problem. Its taking me a bit of time to catch up on these kinds of threads esp. After the massive overhaul I did for the Game & Caliber reworks. I'll share the reserve concept as well

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1276650924936269937

[prime elm]

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[lone blaze]

-# revolver shotgun

[prime elm]

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[quiet quail]

Another option:

Baikal MP94
(Wide variety of calibers)

[lone blaze]

Wait, wait, wait…..do I see a revolver shotgun here!?!?!

[quiet quail]

Damnit…

[lone blaze]

Another combination gun like the drilling rifle would be sick

[prime elm]

this is also quite cool

Honse Approved 👍

[lone blaze]

How about this combination gun?

[prime elm]

me like lmao

[quiet quail]

The only caliber I can read on there is 8x57… I am terrified of what the bottom barrel could possibly be.

[prime elm]

size makes me think like 12GA

[lone blaze]

Looks like 20 gauge….because the casings say 20 on them

[prime elm]

come to think of it that makes much more sense lmao

especially since its not large enough for 12 lol

[quiet quail]

My brain completely blanked out lol. Totally forgot about 20 gauge

[prime elm]

I did too 💀

we both forgot about like the most popular fowling cartridge ever made lmao

[lone blaze]

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[prime elm]

oh wow 41 likes, this is kinda popping off now

[heavy heath]

I love this idea! I can't say I know much about this specific type of shotgun, but it's incredibly unique and would make the mission reward feel both fitting and actually rewarding instead of just being a skin for an already-existing one

It's been years since I actually first started playing so correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you start off with the Caversham Steward? If so, that makes Grankin's Shotgun feel even less special, since it's just a weathered, beat-up version of a starter weapon

[prime elm]

Having recently new-game'd yes, you are correct.

The Caversham Steward is part of your starting loadout, so Grankin's Shotgun just being a skin for it is pretty disappointing.

[glossy nimbus]

Either this or an mp133

[lone blaze]

Maybe we can get a revolving rifle too 👀

There is a revolving rifle and shotgun in this photo

Maybe make a revolving rifle that looks like colts new model revolving rifle (showed in the image) but chambered in a rimmed cartridge

I just saw that Huxley Hound posted about this already lol

Or at least the new model revolving rifle

[quiet quail]

Imagine if they added a revolver shotgun

[lone blaze]

FR!!!!!!!!

[prime elm]

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[vale spruce]

Revolver shotgun reminder

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REVOLVER SHOTGUN

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Revolver Bumpgun teehee

[prime elm]

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At 50 🥳

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[prime elm]

55 upvotes

[upbeat perch]

This looks like some serious STEAMPUNK stuff, hell yeah.

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[prime elm]

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[lone blaze]

These are some confiscated homemade weapons. The bottom picture

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[lone blaze]

Do I see a revolver shotgun….

[heavy heath]

No you see a shotgun revolver :>

[prime elm]

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[prime elm]

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[prime elm]

bump; hopefully this gets enough attention for MedVed to get some love!

[prime elm]

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we hit 80!

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now ya hit 81

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Just let it rest at this point

[prime elm]

not til 100

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we hit 90!

10 more to 100!

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[prime elm]

😂

[lone blaze]

It acting weird

[vale spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/mississippi-queen-shotgun-shot-anatomy-gif-17636116017959598060

[prime elm]

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6 more to 100!

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Me showing the 7-11 cashier my 100% off coupon (im getting arrested in 5 minutes)

[prime elm]

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98!!! Two more !!!

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[prime elm]

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1 more!!!!

[urban wyvern]

Like that is 💯

[prime elm]

100!!

thanks for the support on this y'all!

[proven shoal]

Let it rest now

[prime elm]

it shall collect dust

-# for now

[lone blaze]

Nuh uh

We bringing this sh!t back

[prime elm]

lmao

[onyx junco]

Some slugs and the new scope would make this a great deer gun. . .

[lone blaze]

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[prime elm]

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[patent lark]

Yes

[pearl scarab]

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[thin dome]

Forgive me if I've missed something, but how would this work for players who already have grankins shotgun ?
Does it just get swapped out in the inventory for the MTs255 ?

[prime elm]

Either swapped or folks who already have the O/U get to keep it

[lone blaze]

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[gentle bridge]

there is always the six12

[prime elm]

this is also absolutely legendary

[onyx junco]

As someone who's had it unlocked for 5 years now, I'd prefer it got replaced. I ignore the O/U even when I take the other one out hunting

[lone blaze]

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great idea 10/10 best thing we don't have the thing we need 💯 💯 💯

[halcyon linden]

It’s nice.

[desert venture]

a revolver shotgun sounds pretty neat to me, I think it would be a cool addition to the game. I just hope that buckshot gets a buff, because until it does, I don't think I'll be able to get very excited about any new shotguns.

[quiet quail]

COTW needs more fun/interesting guns like TH:C does

[lone blaze]

Also it would replace the loathsome Grankin’s shotgun in the game

[lone blaze]

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[patent lark]

The revolving rifle that takes both colt .45 and .410 bore is also pretty cool.

[lone blaze]

REVOLVER SHOTGUN

[prime elm]

cough

REVOLVER SHOTGUN

[halcyon linden]

How do you do that?

[halcyon linden]

Thanks

[balmy stag]

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[lone blaze]

Best Suggestion ong 💯💯💯💯💯, so lame we can’t pump it in general rip REVOLVER SHOTGUN

[lone blaze]

You can’t do that anymore 😔

[balmy stag]

it was just so i could share it to gen chat💔

[lone blaze]

Rip to bumping 🪦

[patent lark]

It's a shame that only .410 revolving shotguns are available in the west, would love to get my hands on a real MTs255 or even any 12 gauge revolving shotgun even if it isn't an MTs255.