🍿Are we ready to talk it over or keep circling?

[stark patio]

1st Grinders: EW will not revert back to Instant Spawning it was never intended to be a spawn kill gallery game. It was left alone so long ppl started to view this as normal as such a new community was born known as the "Trade Communities". If your unaware these communities used the bug to exploit GO's. In doing so it became easy access to get them & yes to make $$$ irl. No I'm not kidding. Now since the patch was launched it has put a dent & significantly reduced these trades. However, the damage has already been done and it affected all of us. Unfortunately, everyone wants to debate and argue whose effected most by the patch. It's easy to point fingers and scream n rant. But lets be real it affected everyone.

Stop and breathe.

•If spawns are the issue 5-10min respawn intervals is feasible over the current 20-30min.

•GO's we can agree to disagree about value after the damage from the exploits and trades. Personally, I'm not impressed with the GO mechanic, but personal feelings aside to each their own.

These are 2 things that keep getting brought up. Idc what your playstyle is, this affected all of us as a whole.

🔹If you're going to be civil then please I insist talk it out.

🛑 If you're going to be hostile & selfish stay out of my thread! You're not helping anyone.

I expect ppl to be mature and civil to talk it over not debate Who, What, When, Where, or Why and 😡🤬🤯🥵😰 😭 about it. Quit 🫵 at each other.

[slim surge]

♻️ If you don't think this topic needs another bleeding thread about it.

[stark patio]

Your probably right about that but this is getting ridiculous. Ppl need to chill and really think this over. But I am standing my ground on the "Trade" subject.

[upbeat pivot]

You can debate while being mature and civil. It’s a bad change they are more worried about the community’s value on the trophy. It doesn’t just affect grinders when it takes 30 mins for respawns to take place. What do you not understand about waiting 30 mins in game for respawns.

It effect the grinding playstyle but it also effects the regular casual player who’s like to get their first great one too. You can’t allow exploits to be left like this cause you’re incompetent of how the community will react. Now you have this reaction it’s no wonder.

Blizzard 2.0 Make old maps obsolete by reintroducing old species into newer maps, backfills, now this holy how much more do you need for them to show you their incompetent in game development/balance

If they could they would make the game free to play and make a subscription for better respawns they really trash atm just look at the evidence on why these patches were released. They can’t even communicate to Jaxy the point of these patches. You watch the livestreams and it’s so passive it’s disgusting

Player council gonna get me 🤣💀

[shadow lantern]

A player council is not going to reflect the entire player base. I would recommend a open beta weekend for all players to have a test themselves. Also I would love patch notes to be read in advance so we can stop being surprised with changes that may change the way we play the game.

[stark patio]

I can commend the company keeping the patch low key to snuff the underhanded communities; however it took way too long to resolve the bug fix. I cant imagine the coding envolved. But I will hold EW accountable for not releasing thorough Patch notes on all the changes after launch, & I expect they took the backlash into account knowing this. I doubt they'll do nothing to reprimand for it.

[stark patio]

This is a fair suggestion to help expand results. But as Jaxy said it comes down to clients outside of the home office. So Sony, Microsoft, & EW would have to come to terms to do it.

[unique sluice]

For those who do GRIND, you know that it's not easy, depending on what the GO says, you have to kill a thousand, two thousand or more animals in order to get a GO, and you have to put in the probes, thrips, do the entire GRIND system, then out of nowhere EW arrives and changes the tent and animal systems, and then comes back and gets worse again, for those who are behind a screen looking at files and everything else don't know who hunts in the very game they manage, since my beginning in game that I complained about bugs and other things, and my opinion of the game is still the same, before this update I could still recommend it more now I don't recommend it at all!!!

[stark patio]

Jaxy did however prepare folks that a Patch was coming and its very risky and he is correct that it is infact risky releasing a data patch to the core game codes

[stark patio]

We all agree the patch altered the core game and as I mentioned GO's are to each thier own. I personally loathe the mechanic. The Tents was needed bc they quit working as they were designed to however in light of that they did alter the range 👍. But now that the core bugs fixed rendors were fixed👍. But.......respawns were also altered to longer interval times. <--this one affected everyone in a negative way.

Now bare in mind the core bug that was causing a ripple effect was indeed fixed but it also altered time intervals if this was altered it would be smoother but it will never be instant again. Dont get me wrong the list of bugs is vast. I did however notice multiplayer did get worse on xbox. Connection went from 35% to 15% success.

[unique sluice]

yes WE makes their changes for the worse, just yesterday when I was playing with a friend I was losing connection all the time, it's a horrible game in multiplay

[unique sluice]

Now I just have to wait and see if they go back to what they were before, or if they leave it the way it is, I'm going to play some COTW myself.

[stark patio]

I hate saying it but they need to get more funding to expand the team to divide the workload. N to be fair Jaxy did say the system is new to them however he also confirmed it was older 😖

[stark patio]

I doubt EW will leave it as is unless ppl continue to rage in the worst way.

[unique sluice]

It's complicated, but they have to bring something new, updates that help and attract attention, because the community for this game is not that big, big I say, a famous game

[unique sluice]

but this is what is happening, the worst thing is that there are streamers that make this thing worse

[stark patio]

Well Nov. were suppost to get a suprise so we'll have to wait and see. In Hindsight I think they knew in advance how this was going to pan out atleast to a degree.

Personally on solo I did see improvements but again the long respawns really stood out to me. However walking around I seen alot more game then b4, ambush call hunting took longer, as for my money grinds in Savannah atleast, it did take a good while where before it was frequent. The instant spawns crashed me alot esp. on Mississippi that was a nightmare. But aside from the obvious anyone else notice anything worth noting?

[unique sluice]

It's more that I think the community won't wait until November, if their team is small I wouldn't change the tent system, I would look for improvements, and not bring a negative reaction, now there's no point in waiting for the community to calm down and leave the game like this

[unique sluice]

Yes, they fixed the bugs with the animals having rare skin and having common fur, the brown bears have more beautiful, more prominent fur, but they update it and don't give details of the update, there were positive points and negative points

[stark patio]

There likely going to let it take its course for a few weeks and see & review feedback & support to reanalyze their data & results then they might make a statement or tweak along with an update if and/or as needed. Usually how it goes after a patch with any game is see what happens. Does it work, did it fail, or did it break the game.

[unique sluice]

Now we just have to wait, there were good points, negative points that broke the game.

[stark patio]

Agreed this is why I would've liked a full spread of the patch after it launched. I'm sure it was a lot of little stuff but still. And I also agree you cant please everyone it goes without saying but thats why we have a middle ground 🤝

If anyone else notices any other changes please share them even if its suttle, oh and what platform bc that'll help.

[unique sluice]

with cord with VC 🤝

[unique sluice]

yes of course 🤝

[jaunty harbor]

Many critics of this respawn change are mixing up the "result" (grinding is broken) with EWs "intention" (to fix bugs), and then claiming that "EW hates grinders." Pretty sure the only truth is "EW hates bugs."

[stark patio]

lol I agree to the extent EW hates bugs not players except the Trade community. Though I do admit it is longer than I expected it to be and I'm not against a shorter time interval

[upbeat pivot]

Wait till the steam charts player count updates around August or July. The reason it went up was cause of the Sunderpatan was released mid june. If you look at the player count before Sunderpatan why the frick would you incorporate such a dogshit change its gonna rebound even worse than what it was before.

Wait till July and August the player count is already starting to drop. Thats when they will fix this terrible patch lol

Lets add a new map and than patch all the players that were gained from that new update. Like Wow! Fantastic Update! Can't wait to afk 30 mins in game for respawns 🤡

game was dying before Sunderpatan which is wild to add some dogshit like this. That's shameless some LA behavior oh wait. New cosmetics?!?!?

Jaxy "The game is in a healthy state" lmfao what a circus

and hes the clown

Clearly the problem before Sunderpatan was you can’t hold a players to actually play your game now this yeah. Nice map tho!

Release one map a year that attracts your market audience and then this lolololol 😂

The clear problem is player retention now imagine releasing this update?

[upbeat delta]

This is how the CotW Steam statistics always look, it always has peaks in players during updates, it is not at all strange

[upbeat pivot]

Not peak during the update. Its peaking due to the new content of Sunderpatan its already dropping, thats big yikes.

[idle nimbus]

What’s the goal of this thread that’s different from the other ones?

[upbeat delta]

Peaks in online players only occur during new content and then decline to the usual minimums, it will not be different this time, it has always been like this, players always return or new ones are added, the average is always stable, the "normal" behavior that is occurring is no alarming, the game continues the same as always, "The game is in a healthy state" is a correct statement
https://steamcharts.com/app/518790#All

[upbeat pivot]

not by August or September that number will steady decrease and with this change it can spiral it faster

[marble field]

Seems about right. And doubt things will spiral down faster as far as the next comment goes. Have been playing now for a while and the game seems like it was long ago before the big/exploits arrived for the last couple years. The table tells us what's facts,new content,pleases us for a bit,we get bored and stabilizes again till the next new "shiny" new map drops.

[jaunty harbor]

Throw this into the mix - remember when they asked us to shoot Bears over to day drink-time a few months ago? Many said it would ruin the game and they were rage quitting. Then time passed, the Devs adjusted, and here we are with a pop reset and everyone is racking up Great One Black Bears. This will work out itself out too. In the meantime, keep a grip.

[open glacier]

that soft reset actually messed with the bear hunt I was doing and a lot of them wouldn't spawn correctly so I don't think the soft reset was a good move.

[jaunty harbor]

Haven't heard of a "soft reset," but my bears are drinking in daylight, which is wonderful 🐻

Daytime Grizzly in Yukon

[stark patio]

Actually discuss our findings with the patch good and bad and discuss it civilly for solutions. Bc ppl are taking sides pointing fingers its ridiculous.

Excuse me that didn't come out right, I'm sick pardon me. But a friendly reminder guys/gals to keep it civil so far things are looking good and again if you find anything pls share.

[open glacier]

with the previous update that changed the drink times, they made it to where instead of a hard reset, the times would change for each zone individually as you harvested the affected animals in those zones and they updated as they respawned....then they did a hard reset anyway.

[jaunty harbor]

Yes, I understand now, the soft reset was worthless - the hard reset got them to show up for me

[stark patio]

Be sure to keep a cool head I'm aware your upset like the rest of us but were here to talk about things that can be done to resolve any issues in our findings within the patch. Whats done is done so we march on 👍

[stark patio]

The game is healthy in terms of its core coding, solo runs 5x better than before only issue is multiplayer took a hit but its always been an issue and the respawn interval is too high. If theres more to add I'll gladly hear it but I will not blame EW for fixing a bug or Jaxy bc he has nothing to do with it. Hes a msgr nothing more. I will blame EW for not releasing the full patch notes after launch that is purely on them.

[open glacier]

this thread seems pretty civil to me. I may have missed something ofc but scrolling through it briefly I haven't seen anyone insulting another person or being rude to others. I don't think it's un-civil to be upset, as long as you're criticizing the position or actions and not the person.

[stark patio]

They changed more than what was listed on the note we got I can clearly see that n I'm happy with it thus far except for the respawn interval its alittle excessive 20-30min😂

[stark patio]

it was just a reminder, this topic has a lot of ppl on edge and occasionally things can come out if not kept in check I've seen it in the other threads more often than not but no so far a few things got out that probably shouldn't have otherwise, no its been pretty civil & tame.

[summer oasis]

a new community was born known as the "Trade Communities" how does this have anything to do with animals respawning @stark patio

that was born because of the exploit of making a game and leaving it not despawning the animals so they dupe and trade trophys

[stark patio]

This was abused using the instant respawn bug and the ghost map method. Which both were patched. Now as for the respawns themselves the current setting is most likely the actual setting it was supposed to be. However do to the bug ppl assumed the respawns was normal this whole time and clearly it wasn't. However bc of it we have a grinder player base so I suggested a 5-10min respawn interval to allow the grinder player base the ability to grind again bc 20-30min default spawns is excessive.

[summer oasis]

but if its a ghost map it wont take any time to respond because on the real map it never died ?

they should fix ghost maps and duping i think

[stark patio]

you are right duping was also a huge issue as well

the rendering was busted due to the bug and unfortunately it spread like a virus in the code causing multiple issues such as instant spawning, data clusters causing crashes due to overload etc. Its very complex however EW didnt do themselves any favors adding to it with new dlc's but they werent able to catch it till it was spreading effecting other code functions. Its rather complex and Jaxy was correct it is risky doing patches bc your adding a massive code rewrite and applying it to the core system

it will either work as intended, it will cause more bugs, or it'll flat out crash it. I've seen all 3 in my 30yrs of gaming

[summer oasis]

hmm hopefully it ends up better than before,

[stark patio]

Give it time, ppl always go nuts with immediate change. Like I said so far solo runs way better the only issue atm is the spawn time interval n unfortunately multiplayer atleast for me on xbox series x went from 35% success to 15% success 😅 not great.

[stark patio]

sry I miss read the reply. He was talking about the numbers and made a mention about Jaxy n Jaxy is a msgr or middle man as Jaxy said. So I was reminding him not to lose it 😂 believe me when I say I get why. EW didn't say anything and gave us a lousy patch note n poor Jax got the forefront of the fury, but to be fair we got a few days notice heads up but it was real vague😓

[stark patio]

However if you find anything feel free to share it. I'm literally looking for ppl's findings and then brainstorm solutions.

[open glacier]

no harm done. 👍

[jaunty harbor]

Three Changes That Would Fix theHunter: Call of the Wild For Good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8xL4U1ka9I

Pretty balanced overview of the issues around the update, by Falx Games

[stark patio]

I watched it and I agree this was a good solution

[open glacier]

is Falx a partnered content creator? first time I have heard of them.

[stark patio]

As of right now everything is running smoothly I havn't had any issues. Missions are going really well, weapons seem to be crisper than before, animals are appearing alot more while walking and stalking. Medved, Rancho, & Mississippi dont have animals clip glitching so......yea overall its running great. Minus multiplayer.

[stark patio]

Iberian wolves are stuck in howl action and when harvested they rubber band twist......kinda creepy looking

[jaunty harbor]

Falx Games is an Official EW Moderator on Facebook, who also streams CotW, but isn't a Partnered Content Creator, yet. Funny as hell, too.