#Puma, Mountain Lion, Grey Wolf and Iberian Wolf changes

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queen rivet
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After Sundarpatan and its introduction of very limited population numbers for Snow Leopards and Tigers, and especially the introduction do their own home ranges, I think that's something that should be moved on to the Pumas, Mountain Lions, Grey Wolves and Iberian Wolves.

First off, the Pumas and Mountain Lions:
They are generally known for being rare and elusive, hard to hunt and hard to find before it finds you, there is a sense of danger and mystery about them but they really don't carry that over into game. I feel like the Mountain Lions should have a limited population of 20 since they occupy a very similar amount of land as tigers do in Sundarpatan, maybe just a little more hence why I put 20 instead of 16, and Pumas since you can find them almost anywhere on the map, I think they should have a population of around 35 to cover all the land possible, of course not every part of the reserve has to be a home range, some parts can stay uninhabited by them until you maybe get a respawn to move.
Limiting the numbers gives them more subtlelty and elusiveness, makes it more realistic and makes each kill more special, it also makes hunting species that get spooked by Pumas/Mountain Lions, such as Mule Deer, less annoying because they wouldn't constantly get spooked and chased away from their zones before you can even get there.

Secondly, the Grey and Iberian wolves:
I would love to see the same thing as I've just mentioned with the Pumas and Mountain lions, but have home ranges for packs of wolves and maybe 2-5 solo males.
The main reason I want this change for them is because wolves in real life have their respective home ranges they occupy and other packs avoid, so it makes no sense to run into 3 wolf packs drinking at the same lake for example.
About 12-15 different packs around each of the three wolf inhabited maps would seem ideal to me, each pack with around 6-12 wolves + a couple solo wolves as I've mentioned previously.

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To add on, I know these changes wouldn't go down with many people who love hunting these animals easily and efficiently, but let's be real this is more realistic, and Sundarpatan has proven that limited population numbers aren't a bad thing and actually make the hunts fun and satisfying.

queen rivet
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vague saffron
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I do agree. I love predator hunting and your right about them being elusive. I also love your proposal on the wolves. 6-12 is a fair number with an Alpha male & female is ideal. Plus it'll encourage you to have a buddy as well or you become chow if you get in too deep. I'd also like to see 5-7 with coyotes as well esp. at night. Bobcats and Lynx also fall in this category as being elusive and I'll admit one of the hardest cats I've ever hunted (no traps) irl.

queen rivet
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summer aurora
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Agreed, also apply this kind of rework to lions but also with prides instead of a bunch of roving solos; bump

urban coral
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Been thinking about mtn lions getting the same treatment as snow leopards, I agree.

queen rivet
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summer aurora
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ebon pike
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I like this idea a lot, really need more unique animal behaviors in the game

magic wharf
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I second this just for Mountain Lions alone. They should be pretty similar to Snow Leppards.

ebon pike
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If only they could go into trees

jaunty iron
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100% love this!!

queen rivet
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also just a thought, if we were to get great one Mule Deer into the game, which seem to be a fan favourite for the next great one, this would seem like a neccessary change to enable grinding them on Silver Ridge Peaks and Parque Fernando

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queen rivet
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ebon pike
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I can't stand hunting on SRP because of the mountain lions everywhere. Even when I'm not hunting during an animal's drink time, mountain lions ruin it. A lower population could help, I've only had tigers spook the animals I was targeting once for instance

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A lot of people told me how fun SRP is but I just don't enjoy it much because of the stinking mountain lions constantly interrupting my hunts

queen rivet
ebon pike
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I fire .22 rounds at it most of the time to get it to screw off. If it's bigger I just pull the 30-06 on it

unique tinsel
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I have to disagree sadly, I don't want less animals!

vague saffron
queen rivet
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ebon pike
vague saffron
# ebon pike Imo if animals spook other animals by simply existing, they should have smaller ...

It was a reply to Autumn. But no I dont disagree to larger predators that are naturally illusive to have smaller populations esp. Loner predators. However those who are in packs/prides should be larger in number with territories. As a pred hunter irl & in-game I would be estatic if they incorporated more authentic behavior ai to their models as well as a rework to make them more life like. In addition I'd love EW forever if I had loads of new predator multi-mounts to boot.

ebon pike
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Fair enough! I just wanted to put some input in. I really enjoy hunting the predators in game and wish they'd behave a bit more accurately :)

vague saffron
vague saffron
# ebon pike Fair enough! I just wanted to put some input in. I really enjoy hunting the pred...

The territory aggression is a must for alot of them. Ultimate Hunting displayed this very well with the bear after shooting the boar. Also I'd like to see both breeding season behaviors and predators actually hunting prey. This would also be considering a passive re-population on reserves. I mean wouldn't it be something to see bobcat catch pheasants or a puma taking n elk. Or even better a grizzly or brown bear taking on a moose. Wolves actually circle to close you or prey off from escape. I could go on but you get the idea 😅 I'll admit the multi mounts actually do alot of the predators justice in depicting thier hunting behaviors

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The Tiger was the only one I was really happy to see with these behaviors in terms of aggression aside from the Mountain lions in Parque Fernando's storyline bk when it released. Pure hunting instinct I loved it however I never had a population issue I seen 1 the whole time I played the story while others seen several

ebon pike
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ebon pike
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Oooo, fair enough actually! Didn't even realize how well that'd work as a solution.

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I think mating behaviors would be sick tbh. Imagine watching two grizzlies wrestle over a female, or whitetails displaying rutting behavior

vague saffron
ebon pike
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Agreed! I adore this game, but the devs gotta focus more on the actual animals the players hunt. Give em some much needed remodels and new behavior!

vague saffron
vague saffron
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Also I'll add that population renders would also have to vary per reserve rather than a core population cap on all them. Mississippi is much smaller than Layton. You would populate 100- 200 Mtn Lions on Layton and you can't expect the same pop to work on Mississippi that would be overkill. So balances are also needed based on reserve size as an example. Prey should always be more than predators unless its a theme for the storyline.

urban coral
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I think this would breathe new life into Mtn Lions. They have been regarded as annoying for so long by so many.

ebon pike
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And nothing but annoying. Same for pumas

queen rivet
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loud ridge
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i can second this i am a certified Mountain lion hater

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gaunt lintel
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Very interesting stuff they sometimes are a pain in the rear end but crazy enough I have still yet to even spot a single snow leopard

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elfin void
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Here's the main stuff I'd do for predators

Changes in behavior/aggressiveness throughout the 24 hour period
Affects on prey movement
Affects on the movement of other predators (top order predators vs. mesopredators)
For aggressive animals in general, have moments where they stand their ground and do bluff charges

ebon pike
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I put bluff charges as an idea in my post about animal behavior changes. It'd be so good for the game

queen rivet
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lets get to 52 upvotes

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to neutralize the 2 downvotes

urban coral
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unique tinsel
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Question for the OP: how many mountain lions and/or wolves do you think there are on the maps currently? You seem to think there are too many, but how many is too many?

I haven't been experiencing issues with pumas, aside from them being too noisy. As for the wolves, they already seem to exist in "packs." And it's cool when they attack you, imo.

queen rivet
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@unique tinsel Idk how many mountain lions there are but I know its too many for it to be realistic, I consistently find 3-5 mountain lions less than 200 metres away from each other, it's too many, everywhere I turn is a mountain lion, as for wolves, it's not a problem that there are so many, but more so that they share territories and lakes when drinking, you can find feed zones and rest zones 250 metres apart which also makes no sense considering how territorial wolves are and how they respect other wolf packs' territories, and considering the map size you can't fit as many wolf packs as we have now and for them to be distributed well

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queen rivet
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elfin void
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I'd say large, top order carnivores should have the tiger system

Social carnivores have 1 group in each territory as well as some solitary individuals

ebon pike
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I personally really want a mechanic that allows mountain lions and pumas to rest in trees. It'd be so cool and would make it so things like raccoons could do it too, same with squirrels, and hopefully leopards in the future

queen rivet
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we need 53 votes to cancel out thr 3 downvotes

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queen rivet
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at this point I am desperate for that 53rd upvote

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@fathom vale help me out here 🙏🙏

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queen rivet
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officially in a +50 advantage

queen rivet
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flat hearth
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In fact, on a 9x9 kilometer map, a population with a reasonable density could consist of 5 to 10 wolves and 1 to 5 cougars.

queen rivet
sage coyote
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As long as the animals have a drink time. Snow leopards really should have a drink time

queen rivet
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I wouldnt mind the addition of a random, once per day, 1-2 hour drink time for such animals, so you can't grind them, but still have a chance of finding them at lakes

sage coyote
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I think it’s so stupid that they don’t drink. All animals need water unless you’re an addax or something like that. It just makes them annoying to hunt especially snow leopards as when their zones are deleted you have to look for them again and they could be anywhere.

queen rivet
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I mean its also stupid that animals spend 3-4 hours of their day just drinking water and nothing else, its for gameplay purposes, irl an animal would just visit a lake every 2-3 hours, drink for like 5 minutes and leave

urban coral
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queen rivet
flat hearth
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