Impact of a Developer's Vision on the Health of a Game

[azure idol]

Just curious as to what people's opinions are on how a developer's vision for their game affects the short and long term health of a game. Do you believe it has little to no effect or does it have a much larger impact? In light of recent events in the game (not here to debate the events, just the pushback and potential fallout) it just feels fitting to discuss this topic. To me, the vision for a game will have huge ramifications for it's overall life and for the health of the game during the remaining life. It seems as though the developer's vision for getting COTW back to a more simulator-like title instead of an arcade shooter has negatively impacted perceptions from several play styles. The lack of transparency has further magnified this and now player trust in the dev team may be at an all time low. With the community so divided, how can we expect a game to succeed in the way that COTW has in the huntimg genre in the past?

[opaque mountain]

I think it’ll just take awhile to get used to.

[gentle forum]

Just another game ruined by overzealous devs who think we don't know what we want

[blazing gale]

If EW admits that their lack of communication in acknowledging what are and what are not consider bugs / exploits ..... If they commit themselves to fixing these bugs / exploits and not letting them hang around for years then this could just be a bump in the road ....

[pliant heart]

I believe its for the long haul health of the game. Exploits is when players take advantage & abuse bugs & or glitches in a game to exceed progress or achieve personal gain. In a solo player game, it can be seen as harmless, but CotW is also a multiplayer with no PvP elements so what's the harm?. The issue lies within the bugs itself in the coding its data running rampant causing more bugs if left unattended. Think of it like a virus changing mutating thats what happens to code when another code fails to flow with existing code is one scenario. The other its like finding a needle in a hay stack and locating the code. If found it could be simple or it needs to be re-written to be compliant with existing code. If that doesn't work then your looking at possibly redoing the file altogether. Bugs dont just effect its designed function it effects other functions in tandem. This takes a lot of work, time, & testing to fix. So yes this was necessary in order to prevent further data clusters causing blocks to data flow within fluent coding that runs the designed function. I cant speak for PC or Playstation but I can say on Xbox it fixed several issues in my gameplay plaguing my experience with the animals I've been tirelessly trying to push through. It was lagging my game so bad it would take 5min to render with how many spawns there was around my tents & I hated it. This patch also fixed issues I had with animals movements that I call clip glitching were the model sticks or skips across the maps terrain design clip. Mind you if done well you'll hardly if ever see the clipping in a game. My point is this resolved a lot of issues most wouldn't see as an issue and like any change you as a player should be able to adapt. No mechanics or core functions have changed except Tigers. I can easily play any style with ease. And GO's were never meant to be easy to acquire, they're represented as endgame reward content that's earned not given.

[gentle forum]

'No mechanics or core functions have changed except tigers' is just not true though, even the patchnotes acknowledge that. All grinds have been affected, not just tigers

[pliant heart]

In the future I'm hoping to see additional fixes to allow multiplayer on Xbox to function properly without constant drops and failure to synchronize. I still feel EW should offer open official reserve lobbies on maintained servers that refresh daily just as they did on TheAngler. In tandem I'd like to see TheAngler have player public/private lobbies to play with friends to host tournament events on Xbox/Consoles. The Bush sound bug also seems to be an issue to most. But players and friends be patient and adapt when changes are made.

[pliant heart]

yes bc ppl got used to using the bug to establish their grinds. I'm not blaming the players bc they didnt know it was a bug.

EW wasn't clear about it bc the core player base, are grind style players and knew it would cause issues bc it was left alone for so long ppl adapted to it as if it was normal. It defn. wasn't and sadly this started very early around 2020 I believe but got worse with each release. EW should've announced it out the gate instead of keeping quiet thats on them.

[hardy owl]

They should have just left it that way. Great ones were always endgame, but after the update its nearly impossible to grind. I also have to do a job and i have hobbies. So theres max 1-2 h a day, sometimes even less, in which i can play. If i have to wait 20 min for my animals to respawn i never get to finish a "grind"

And this "exploit" was always in the game and in my opinion it was important for the game because much of the player base likes grinding GO.

[pliant heart]

The only changes aside from bug fixes I noticed since the patch is fast travel spooks & Tigers. Other than that I'm having no issue with spawns or animal movements. I can grind, run n gun, and sim hunt with ease after the patch just fine.

[gentle forum]

please tell me how you're grinding with these respawn times

[astral depot]

lt stop trying to be different u know you arent gettings respawns like before the update

[harsh island]

Actually the problem lies in the main vision of the game, CotW was born as a Hunting Simulator intended to recreate hunts for real animals in real settings, each map is set in a real ecoregion and even each plant and each tree is an almost perfect recreation. of a plant species that lives in that region, everything was focused on the environment...
Little by little it moved away from that Vision and the most popular form of gaming became a grinding shooter where the stars are weapons and rare animals, where the most valuable trophy in the game is obtained in lakes and wasted 90% of the remain map, there is no reason to go through it since there are no trophies or unique collectibles that justify their exploration.
Currently it's an arcade full of animals per square meter, not something a real hunter would recommend from an immersive point of view..

I'm not taking credit away from the designers, in fact they are the best in the industry when it comes to recreating real scenarios, I really enjoy walking through every inch of each map and admiring their work. But I feel that that is always left aside.

This was the main vision of CotW back in 2017 when it was released, with ARs and endangered animals I think it has been displaced.
They gave up their main vision in pursuit of what the community wanted, I don't understand why they say that the studio doesn't listen to them.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/youre-not-hunting-zebras-with-m16s-avalanche-on-its-push-for-ethics-in-thehunter

[pliant heart]

I'm not intentionally grinding GO's I see no need to. And all the animals are spawning fine for me instead of spawning every game animal in the reserve around my tents like before. So idk why others are having issues. The ppl I feel it effects the most on Xbox are trade players which is a problem.

[hardy owl]

Did u ever do a real grind?
Because its not possible anymore.

When im grinding i shoot for example 10 fallows in 5 min, the rest is herd managed. With this update i always have to wait at least 10 min to go on and i dont have this time

[pliant heart]

thats a personal issue

[gentle forum]

...that's the issue we've all been talking about the last few days

[astral depot]

how is that a personal issue when the devs are the ones who did it not him

[pliant heart]

ppl claim they dont have time to play if thats the case then go to a different title i dont see the problem

[gentle forum]

then maybe don't have an opinion on the problem lol

[hardy owl]

Thats exactly what im doing. After 4 k+ hours. Its unfair that they just kill our playstyle like that

[pliant heart]

I'm not blaming any of the players mind you but ppl do have lives and if a game is a waste of your time due to lack of game time then go to a game that better suites you.

[hardy owl]

It wasnt a waste of time till tuesday!!!
I really loved playing this game, when i had time

[gentle forum]

up until 2 days ago this was the game that suited us, this is why we're annoyed. How is saying 'just play something else' helpful in any way

[pliant heart]

I have alot of hrs in the game myself but I adapt as changes are made regardless how it effects my style unless its broken and unplayable. Theres nothing wrong with going to a different game that suites your style.

[hardy owl]

Theres no different game tbh pls stop talking because what u r saying is just pointless

[pliant heart]

please understand I am a gammer and yea it sucks when a great game has a falling out but I dont think its endgame just yet so I'll push on and see where it goes before calling it quits. If nothing else take a break from it.

[hardy owl]

I think if they dont change it, sooner or later the game dies and many people for sure will hop off, especially the ones who put mich time into the game because of grinding.

[spiral sparrow]

And "main menu respawn" is the only way to 'reset', thus be sure, to enter a map with certainty of animals being there if you enter the game after a day's work and want to enjoy freetime gaming.
Not being certain animals will be on the map and having to stand on the map for 30 minutes just to be sure is nonsense and subtracts effective playtime.

[pliant heart]

thats on them if it does or as a positive thought as an insight to the upset they could apply a new mechanic to compensate for it in the future!

[hardy owl]

I only bought sundarpatan to grind tahr, looks like it wont happen

[pliant heart]

But it was a bug that was effecting the game it fixed a lot of issues I had. But all I'm saying is instead of raging about it request a new mechanic to compensate

[gentle forum]

no floof goat for us

[pliant heart]

I'm all for a respawn mechanic so long as it doesn't break my game which the bug they fixed was constantly due to data clustering

[gentle forum]

I'm glad for you that it fixed your game, but the scope of this convo was the ramifications for changes like this in the long term and how their lack of communication was the spark that ignited this uproar in the community

[pliant heart]

To properly answer your question I dont Grind for GO's I grind Golds and some Diamonds. I have no interest in grinding purely to spawn a GO. If it spawns I'm happy if not its fine, it doesn't effect my experience in the slightest.

[hardy owl]

Then pls dont argue against us grinders, because it seems like u dont know how much that affects us and what grinding means to us.

[pliant heart]

I dont disagree however I see both points of view. And I'm willing to compromise for a solution civilly.

[hardy owl]

And to look at my POV i only play Single player, because i dont have PS+. For me its the biggest thrill to spot a Great one. To get this thrill i have to grind, but with this update they destroyed it.

[gentle forum]

You're not seeing both points of view if you're saying that you can still grind, because in the best case it's a lot more tedious and in most other cases it's become practically impossible

[pliant heart]

Raving wont solve anything and believe me I'm very passionate for this game bc it has Authentic elements I desire in content. And I agree it hurt a key player base with a bug fix and I do feel EW is responsible to accept the backlash and provide a solution for it.

[lime verge]

I am a long time supporter of this game, I have been playing since The Hunter Classic came out, and play a hunting sim game for the experience of HUNTING. This is over 15 years of supporting EW. I hate the grinding culture that emerged with G1, that goes against the spirit of ethical hunting, ignores beautifully designed game mechanics (exploring the map rewarding you with finding the home ranges of large trophies) and turn the game into a lootbox popper.
I am in great support for the recent update and any game change that moves the game back to an ethical hunting adventure instead of lootbox grindpopping.

[pliant heart]

as I stated before I dont grind for GO's so of course its different in that regard.

[gentle forum]

This goes for grinding diamonds and rares as well

[pliant heart]

Idk what issues your having bc I got a few yesterday? More Golds than silvers which is rare for me before the patch.

[gentle forum]

Bro we told you this 10 different ways I'm not sure what's left at this point, your definition of grinding is not the grinding we're talking about.

[hardy owl]

If i wanted to have a authentic hunting expierience i would go real life hunting. I like the game for its trophys, which have beautiful fur and racks. To get these trophys i have to grind. With a authentic hunting expierience game style i cant have these trophys. Whats even the point in realising Great ones and putting effort in them and then make it impossible to hunt them. Btw whats ur problem with us grinding. Its my single player game, so i can do what i want without bothering u. I dont judge over your playstyle too.

[lime verge]

You can get the trophies. I never grinded and have albino melanistic and diamond trophies simply by exploring. These trophies are meaningful to me. I don't care if people grind, whatever. But I do care about mechanicsm that ruin the hunting aspect of the game, and encourage a lootbox change, destroying the vision behind the game.

Introducing an endangered animal that people grind already hurt the vision a lot. But it's a compromise. Shooting 10.000 whitetails or black bears spawning aroudn water holes, why not just play a lootbox game at this point? Nothign about this is hunting.

[hardy owl]

Idc about albino, melanistic or diamonds. I care about Great ones and SR. And how should i get Them without grinding? Exactly! Theres no other way. Just let me play the way i want, as i said its a single player why is it ur problem.

[lime verge]

You can play as you want, go, grind. WHAT I CARE ABOUT is devs leaving in bugs only because grind kids have their grinds easier. The tent spawn bug was that, a BUG.

[hardy owl]

Nobody forces u to grind or play this way, but we enjoy the game this way, because we get our dream trophies and nothing boring like a diamond red deer or mela female every 5 hours.

[gentle forum]

They just decided to call it a bug a few days ago, it's been part of the game forever

[hardy owl]

I dont talk about the tent spawn 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ i talk about the 15-20 minutes we have to wait for animals to respawn. Looks like u have no clue whats our problem. And no i cant go and grind because of this 💩

[lime verge]

Animals freezing when fleeing sometimes is also a bug that's been around since RELEASE DAY. It's still a bug!

[glacial bloom]

They want the Gane to die but continuing to update a broken game :/

[hardy owl]

U all have a opinion about something u obviously dont even know anything about (Non grinders)

[gentle forum]

You're clearly biased, I don't understand why it bothers you so much what other people do with their game

[lime verge]

It disgust me that the game's developement is affected more by mass murderers than ethical hunters.

[hardy owl]

Its a game wtf r u talkin about

[gentle forum]

it's clearly not since we the mass murderers are complaining we can't mass murder :p

[lime verge]

Every update since forever favored mass murderers. The bear drinking zone change. The large open lakes on maps...

[gentle forum]

that doesn't answer my question though, why do you care if someone else wants to grind for a lodge full of super rares

[hardy owl]

Its a game, for me it seems like u want it to be as real as possible, but thats not what i want for me in MY SINGLE PLAYER MAP. I enjoy grinding Great ones and not acting like this game was real.

[lime verge]

You can also use a mod and fill your lodge with super rares... is there a meaning behind doing this?

[gentle forum]

why do you care about someone else doing what they want in their game, how does that affect you?

[hardy owl]

How can u compare moding to months or even years if grinding for one animal. Wheres the point in not even trying to get these animals, even tho they r part of the game

[lime verge]

developer game changes affect me. they already hurting my experience as a hunter, in favor of grinders

[hardy owl]

How? We just want animals to respawn directly after leaving the game. Thats all we ask for. How does that affect u?

[gentle forum]

How do they affect your gameplay, you mentioned bear drinking zones and shooting a bunch of animals around a lake. How does it affect you when someone else does that in their game?

[pliant heart]

Its a GO grind right! Our grind styles are very different bc I'm not trying to force GO's to spawn. But your missing my point and thats ok. My point is stop ranting & raving about it and instead suggest a solution to compromise. It was a bug its fixed and its done they arent going to re-apply a bugged code. So just be civil and see what happens. Other than that its up to you to decide your course moving fwd.

[hardy owl]

Or are you jealous, because we get top tier trophies which u will never see with ur style of playing 😉

[lime verge]

I don't care. Seeing a diamond is exciting to me. It is nothing to you. In your gamestyle a GO would be nothing to me.

[gentle forum]

You're still not answering how it actually affects you, seems like it really is just envy

[hardy owl]

I still dont understand why its ur problem. Its MY SINGLE PLAYER MAP why cant i play the way i want to.

[lime verge]

GAME MECHANICS AFFECT EVERYONE NOT JUST YOU
I can't choose not to download the grind encourager patches when they came out.

[zealous bridge]

My concern is that grinding and roaming have always been understood as two different , viable parts of playing the game. Grinding is more effective, sure, but you can roam.

Throughout the years people chose to continue playing the game, knowing that grinding, and modding and cheating is a thing, and roamers have to accept they have lower odds of finding stuff. BUT it's always been this way.

Now, EW is yet again giving grinders the nerf. Roamers haven't won anything out of this but schadenfreude, and ultimately everybody loses. If the grinders get angry, they will leave, which means less money for EW and thus less future for the game.

People will go play games that cater to their playstyle and I can see why a game similar to early COTW make a dent in the playerbase if they continue to make sweeping changes with absolutely 0 communication, suddenly shafting half their playerbase.

[hardy owl]

But they dont force u to grind stop crying about it. Its not ur problem. Its our problem and we want a solution or many players will leave the game

[lime verge]

I am glad if lootboxers leave the game. They ruined it.

[pliant heart]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1265407155343851593 if you want to further debate the issue here is the thread with the big content creators and others discussing it. Best of luck ✌️

[hardy owl]

How can i ruin ur game on my single player game. I dont even can play multiplayer bc i dont have PS+.

Btw if many players leave i dont think they will take the effort to update the game anymore and add maps

[gentle forum]

How did we ruin it, nobody is forcing you to shoot 100s of animals at a lake hopping tents. You're just being malicious at this point.

[lime verge]

And how is a BUG FIX ruining your game then?

[gentle forum]

Are you really in here talking about it without knowing how it actually affected grinding?

[hardy owl]

Bro r u ok????? We cant grind because the animals dont respawn directly and we have to wait at least 20 min and i dont have that time. If u have to ask this question why are u even arguing

[lime verge]

So what? It was never meant to be a grinding game

[gentle forum]

this guy 😂

[hardy owl]

Im done, im not gonna talk to u anymore. At least this update has shown the real face of the community

[lime verge]

Fair. We have a fundamental disagreement and will not convince each other. Though I want to ask,
would you be mad if animal freezing was fixed, because it also makes grinding harder?
It's so easy to grind animals when they freeze in one spot.

[hardy owl]

Ofc animal freezing shoulf be fixed. But thats not the point the point is the time. Bye

[delicate cedar]

Yall really out here taking a video game personal huh?
It's not real life. It doesn't matter.

[lime verge]

I mean it matters after you invested countless dollarinos and time into it!

[hardy owl]

What does matter is that our style of playing was destroyed and now the money is wasted and it doesnt make sense to invest more money or time into the game

[delicate cedar]

Video games are items of leisure. Don't get "invested" in them.

[lime verge]

We wouldn't be so invested if there were so many hunting games to choose from. As it is, there are 2.

[hardy owl]

Im invested because i really enjoyed playing it the way it was.

[delicate cedar]

If you're upset and willing to throw the game away because you won't be able to spam rare trophies into the lodge then I guess they didn't mean that much to you in the first place 🤷‍♂️

[pliant heart]

Sigh! No one wants to compromise it was a bug fix, that resolved data cluster/ and code corruption files. I dont grind GO's others do s be it. I get my money's worth in content as a sim player/ and occasional $$$ grinds. I havn't noticed any spawn delays walking around and yes ambush hunting is longer than before with the patch. But I adapted to it. I'm willing to work with ppl to find a mutual solution but if ppl are only going to get upset & argue bc of playstyle over a common solution then yes, its clear to say the community is divided and only time will tell how things will pan out. I for one will remain unphased bc I'm still going to play even if animals glitch, teleport, or delay on Medved (2018) when Savannah (2018) works just fine. Multiplayer is a mess and I'll still keep finding a game even if its a 35% success rate. If your really that upset suggest solutions to get results bc at this rate yea EW will do nothing to support your complaints.

[lime verge]

Honestly I'm sure EW will just roll the patch back, and have the grinders have their way as they are the oh so sacred content creators. It would be nice to hear a statement from EW regarding the issue. I'm sure they are thinking it through now. After all hunting endangered species was greatly against the vision of the developers too. But they made the compromise for the community, and even added furs to grind.

[zealous bridge]

COTW is a leisure to us, but for EW it is a product and it needs to economically successful. If players feel they can't play your game the way they want, they will leave and that means less money. People should advocate for having a good experience in a game they have supported so much, it shows that they care enough to give feedback.

[delicate cedar]

Imagine people getting upset at Pac-Man because they can't move through the walls the way they want.
That's what I'm hearing here, you expect a company to tailor to a specific gamesytle rather than stay close to their intended home...which is simulation not arcade.

[zealous bridge]

I'd expect them to leave grinding as a playstyle alone - you know, as it has been for all these years. We are not pushing for it to become THE only way to play the game. We want it to be as viable as it has been for all these years.

[gentle forum]

'stay close to their intended home' brother it's been like this since forever, this was 'home' and them suddenly deciding to call it a bug doesn't change that

[delicate cedar]

Can always develop your own hunting title and then won't have to deal with any of this.

[gentle forum]

Are you planning on actually contributing to the conversation at some point, or just stick with the 'it's just a game' comments?

[delicate cedar]

It is, is it not?
If you're this emotionally involved in a video game the problem isn't with developers.

[gentle forum]

We're here because we care about the game that just completely changed for us, seems like you're just here to try and be condescending

[zealous bridge]

Telling people to go away if they don't like it, isn't good for the future of the game. This means lost money. I want to keep supporting this game. All I want is to feel like I can play it the way I always have. That's all.

Give me a reason to continue supporting the game through DLCs, by not changing gameplay out of the blue. Or I will go somewhere else that may offer a better experience and EW loses money. This means less content for the game. Everyone loses when you don't respect players no matter their game preference.

This game has always been arcadey, we haven't changed the way we approach things. The devs have changed the game, and the consequences of this are not small.

[delicate cedar]

There's my point right there. You're ready to throw the game away because you can't have a lodge filled with rare trophies on demand.
This game obviously never had your support to begin with or those trophies would mean more to you if you actually hunted for them.

[gentle forum]

that's a lot of assumptions

[leaden zodiac]

yea, hunting trophies is the reason i started playing, and also dumped several dollars into this game to do, im not here to play a hunting sim, or i woulda bought one of those

[delicate cedar]

I'll also assume in 5 years this will mean nothing to anyone. You're not flipping open the ps5 photo book in 25 years to show your grand kids these trophies are you?

[gentle forum]

brother this 'why does it mean so much to you' angle doesn't really work when you're in here wasting your time as well you get that right?

[delicate cedar]

Well sorry to tell you sir, you bought an open world , realistic hunting game lol

[leaden zodiac]

no, no i didnt

[lone owl]

I would understand these changes if COTW was in early access but its not Its a full fledged full release game that's gotten a major change of style of gameplay (a style that was premoted by developers years ago)

[zealous bridge]

I have over 1500 hours in COTW. I have done grinds and roams. Having grinds nerfed results in less gameplay approaches. I like putting in the effort and get rewarded, but it needs to feel fun. If you hamstring hunters because you want to discourage play styles, I have a problem with that.

It's that simple. If EW starts to make such sweeping changes, it's normal to consider whether to buy DLC in the first place.

It's like eating a restaurant that suddenly goes all vegan when it was previously a steakhouse. I'm not paying for something I'm not enjoying anymore.

[delicate cedar]

The META has changed. Welcome to the world of gaming.

[hardy owl]

Comments like this show the real face of the community. Why are u so upset about us wanting our way of playing back? We enjoyed it for the past few years and from one to the other day its not possible anymore. If it doesnt bother u, why do u have to go against us?

[delicate cedar]

You can still enjoy the game just gonna take extra effort to get that trophy.

[hardy owl]

Btw i have never seen such a big split in a mainly single player game

[hardy owl]

Its not possible to get these trophys i want. U have no clue how hars grinding was even before the update. Now its even worse because it takes so more much time

[delicate cedar]

Yes, a true grind.
Sorry you're not able to speed run through a hunting game.

[hardy owl]

Speed run ? 🤣 i needed 6 Months to get 1 GO moose 6 k kills

[delicate cedar]

By that rate I'll never see one and I'm ok with that. Still out here spending money on DLCs

[blazing gale]

If grinding is too hard now then you need to be signing on to an alternate way to get a G1 without grinding ....

Lots of good suggestions here .... https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753

[hardy owl]

Tbh i dont like the Alternative Ways that are listed here. I just want to grind again as normal

[hardy owl]

If GO were made mission animals they would be worth nothing to me i just want a normal RNG grind back

[blazing gale]

Wow .... 6 months and 6k kills to get a G1 ???? And I'm guessing that must have been using the system before Nepal ??? You certainly are a dedicated grinder .... But an alternate way doesn't mean you can't still grind .... and if you are just dead set on having it your way then to each his own ..... Good Luck ....

[hardy owl]

There are no Alternatives atm that could possibly make up for what they have destroyed and the Alternatives like mission are just terrible to me

[blazing gale]

How about the suggestion in the thread that uses population resets? .... That will be strictly based off RNG .... there is a link at the top of the post that will explain how Pop resets could be an alternate method ....

[hardy owl]

The chance of having an initial spawn GO is so low. With 1 Pop reset every 3-6 months it would take years to get a great one, or even never get one. If all zones are found and no GO is there, which will happen 99% of the time, u have to wait 3-6 months again to have a minimal chance of getting a GO just by being super lucky and not even investing anything. Sounds like many players are just to lazy to grind and now hope to get a easy great one because of this terrible situation.

And i enjoy learning my herds and often manage them. By just pop reseting, everything would be gone again every 3-6 months

[blazing gale]

I don't want to hijack this thread by discussing another topic but I have replied to your statement in the other thread

[pliant heart]

I also made a suggestion to get GO other than summoning them from making sacrifices.

[pliant heart]

To me GO's are legends however if I'm being honest aren't all that special if all you have to do is make sacrifices to summon them. https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1266157023091884198 Its a stretch but this was my alternative.

[pliant heart]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1266157023091884198 Its a stretch but this was my idea as an alt.

Do keep an open mind and dont judge to harshly but it has merit.

[marble tapir]

Yeah the devs need to wake up and listen to a huge part of their fan base.

[hardy owl]

They didnt say anything since the update right?

[opaque mountain]

You yourself need’s to listen to the majority of the fan base, given you made this absolute BANGER.

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1265024540430307328

[hardy owl]

A drink time for snow leopards would make them no more rare and special to hunt. But hes still right with saying that the devs should listen to us about the update. Its been weeks and nothing happened

[opaque mountain]

They don’t need a drink zone.

[hardy owl]

Thats what i said🤦‍♂️ but hes still right that the devs should listen to us about the update

[opaque mountain]

Sorry, it read like polish grandmother was typing.

[hardy owl]

We can speak in german too if u prefer that

The point is that hes right about the fact that the devs dont care about a big part of the community, but at least i recogniced that the other part of the community is not happy about us grinding

[opaque mountain]

EW listens all the time lol. This isn’t the end of the world, all the people that discovered grinding and revolutionized it have been doing fine. Give it 3 months maximum and there’ll be guides.
Go watch a Scarecrow livestream

[hardy owl]

I dont need guides and i can grind too, but not nearly as efficent and consistent as in the past. And i dont have the time to wait 8 min for respawn after my 7 min run is finished. And no i wont destroy my herd Management

[opaque mountain]

Sounds like you still need some pointers, wait a few months I guess to gain the efficiency back.

[hardy owl]

And idk if u recognized but many Creators dont Stream as often as they used to. And i recognized that in the fabled ones chat, barely any GO pictures are posted.

[hardy owl]

Most of the grinding community including me just want the devs to listen and make a compromis setting the respawn time at a maximum of 10 minutes for all species exept tiger. But seems like no one cares, they could at least give us a small Statement

[opaque mountain]

I don’t know if you reconsidered but that usually happens after hype for the most recent reserve does down.

[marble tapir]

I'm living rent free in your head, bro. My same idea got more upvotes on Facebook, so honestly it depends on who sees the poll. You don't have to keep dogging me because you don't like my opinion.

[opaque mountain]

Nice! You got Facebook likes.

Anyways, you can’t say that you have the communities best interests in mind when you have no idea what they want.

[hazy widget]

Imagine a discord kid living in your head🤣? Guys stop arguing like children and talk about the game

They won’t be able too see important messages over the rambling😂

[marble tapir]

I know, this guy hated one opinion I had and now he comments on everything I say or I react to. It's weird. It's just a game 🤣

[hazy widget]

I think we all are angry over the update and I think we are taking it out on other people lol

Hilarious

[opaque mountain]

I have yet to see a single person who wasn’t straight up rude, weird, or disgusting get banned from the server.

[hazy widget]

Well I don’t maybe cause you can’t even send messages now they banned keywords 🤣

[opaque mountain]

It’s so that way you aren’t an awful person to people…?

[hazy widget]

None of that was awful if you consider speaking the truth and facts awful your stupid

[opaque mountain]

Stop trying to skirt around the fact words can be misused and by the way… there’s more than one way to use a word.

If you get banned from here it was for good reason.

[hazy widget]

Idc if I get banned I don’t even play after this update along with other people so go ahead🤣🤣 all they did was drive people away from their game 👏👏👏

[opaque mountain]

Bots can’t read context, and until technology advances, I guess you’ll just have to deal with it.

[hazy widget]

Cry me a river quit writing me paragraphs no one likes you 🤣

[opaque mountain]

That really helps your point… personal insults…. You sound like a child😂