WHY???????

[mortal scarab]

I understand that not everyone likes grinding and some people prefer to run and gun. I do that sometimes too. However, I don't see why Expansive Worlds would mess with such a significant part of the game like respawns. It's almost like they read our feedback and decide to mess it up even more. Six months ago, I said it seems like they don't want people to play the game. I understand that the tigers were broken and needed to be changed, but Expansive Worlds continuously messing with respawns is driving more and more people away from the game. Expansive Worlds shouldn't care that people play the game differently; everyone has their own playstyle, and you can't force them to play a certain way. This is one of the many reasons I don't see the game being around for another year. additionally, if you're going to change a part of the game, you should inform the community of the update before you release it!

[broken adder]

preach

[foggy aspen]

Wow, this was easy to read…

[mortal scarab]

@foggy aspen def wrote alot for me

[forest flower]

This hurts my eyes

[foggy aspen]

This is going to help EW. /S

[vapid moon]

PREACHHHHHH

[forest flower]

I still don’t get the idea that you can’t play the way you want.

[runic stone]

it makes no sense

[broken adder]

ew don't see it that way apparently. like why mess with respawns

[forest flower]

No what I mean is that y’all can still grind. It’s different sure but you actually can still do it. They didn’t remove fast travel or something like that.

[lean lichen]

It’s still a big enough difference to change grinding completely

[broken adder]

Yeah ok buddy. let me wait 20 minutes to get a respawn to be able to shoot it. you are going against what you said. "let people play the way they want". EW is doing the complete opposite of that.

[runic stone]

it made the tahr grind hard af and now grinding is slower than ever yes we can still grind but they constantly change stuff to screw with grinds and waiting for respawns is dumb af

[forest flower]

I’m not going against what I said. I’m clarifying what I meant

[broken adder]

well if you said "You dont get why you cant just play the way you want." EW is stopping us from playing the way we want and wants us to slow down the speed of our grinds.

[forest flower]

They aren’t though. Grinding is different yes. More frustrating sure. Less efficient yes. But no one is making you walk around. You can still grind it’s just slower.

[broken adder]

let me guess, you arent a grinder.... You wouldnt be saying what you are saying if you are. Id like to see you go out and try to do a grind this way.

[runic stone]

they are trying to make us walk around are you smooth af making the grind slower forces us to open up more zones so a rotation takes longer because theres a timer for respawns now

[forest flower]

I’m not a grinder. But I emphasize with you guys. I just think saying they have made it impossible to grind is overstating the issue

[broken adder]

its not impossible I agree with you on that statement. Its just wrong they make it more difficult after every update. This update was for sure to make grinders slow down. So many people in this community only play to grind, we should be able to play at whatever pace we want to play at, The respawns didnt hurt anyone the way they was before. Both the run and gunners and the grinders didn't mind how it was. So why change it just to mess with grinders?

[foggy aspen]

Scarecrow seems to be doing well…

[forest flower]

But still doable as in you can do it. I understand the frustration of it being more difficult.

[forest flower]

I get that. It’s a change they made that no one was really asking for

[runic stone]

yea they are making the grind more difficult and slower we shouldnt have to wait 15 to 30 minutes for respawns

[broken adder]

Just makes no sense why change something if its working just fine and nobody is complaining. Its almost like they want to lose players.

[runic stone]

dont try to fix stuff when there isnt a problem and boom amazing game

[forest flower]

That’s a question for the devs. And we have to be ok with their answer really. It could be because their vision for the game

[runic stone]

we dont have to be ok with their answer

[broken adder]

It shouldnt be about their vision.... It should be what is best for the game and the future of the game. who cares what is was suppose to be, Its a business look at it as a business do what is best for the game.

[forest flower]

You do though. You can offer constructive feedback but they decide ultimately

[runic stone]

they do decide but we DONT have to be okay with it your basically telling us to fold and not care this is how we find the game enjoyable we dont like the slow killing and the more they make grinding difficult they are losing more and more of their player base

[forest flower]

Yeah I see your point but I disagree. If they rely to heavily on the player base inevitably someone will be upset. You can’t please everyone.

[forest flower]

Sorry I don’t mean fold and not care. I worded that wrong. What I mean is at the end of the day whether you agree or not you have to accept that they take feedback and do with it what they want. And they may not make choices that you agree with.

[runic stone]

i dont have to accept it ill just uninstall same as alot of other people who have already done that its up to game devs to go with the players and not go against it because at the end of the day this game will die if they dont stop

[forest flower]

Well that’s a way to look at it. It’s too bad you feel like that’s the only option you have.

[broken adder]

Ill just leave it at this. They should do what is best for the community and not what they "vision" the game should be. Like i said its a business dont cater to one side of the community, help out everyone. Things like respawns shouldn't be adjusted if nothing is wrong with them, it was like that for 7 years and they just randomly change it..... Obviously its to mess with the grinders.

[mortal scarab]

facts

[forest flower]

Well I’d love to hear an idea for an adjustment that you think is a reasonable compromise.

[neat barn]

It's kind of hard to offer any constructive feedback to ignorant devs that destroy the game for a one style of player.

[broken adder]

Maybe leave it the way it was when nobody had an issue in the community? I never heard one soul complain about respawns. But all a sudden they change it. Everyone was satisfied... The casual players and the grinders

[forest flower]

Yeah. I guess that isn’t likely though so maybe meet them half way?

[broken adder]

explain? if you mean like 5 minute respawn times yeah i totally cool with that just not 10-15 minutes thats wild.

[runic stone]

theres no half way when you develope a game you go by how the players like the game and if you dont try to make the whole community happy you will kill the game you dont meet the devs half way they meet you half way

[neat barn]

That's the thing, they keep moving the hlaf way line and the goal line

[forest flower]

Sure that’s a good suggestion I’d say

[runic stone]

hella far back too

[forest flower]

Hmmm I can see why you feel that way but I don’t think they’re out to get you.

[neat barn]

Yet they talk like they're empathetic toward some grinders burning out, BS. People are burning out because they keep making it harder

[broken adder]

@forest flower if they ain't out to get the grinders then explain why most the the stuff in the updates are messing with grinders and never to the casual players. for example tent spook radius, respawn time, not being at their zones on time, and much more.

[coarse parrot]

To be fair, Jaxy did try to explain a long list of problems that continuous exiting to Main creates in the programming.

My gripe now is why the hell they clearly said that this cooling-off period was just for tigers, but I just did a red deer rotation and the 2nd time around, nothing had respawned. I know where and when my deer are always at, and this isn't the same game.

[runic stone]

exactly making the game harder kills it out even as an old run and gunner you get burnt out after a while no matter a grinder or not they need to realize that

[forest flower]

Dude idk why it seems that way. Jaxy says they’re not doing that but I get why people feel that way. I don’t have any answers for you on that one

[neat barn]

Oh they can't get me lmao. All I'm saying is they're killing the game for grinders, never mind me. If you can't see that you must be blind and ignorant

[broken adder]

Dont believe everything you hear from the messenger.... his hands are tied with what all he is allowed to say... alot goes on we never hear.

[forest flower]

I know. But I think that applies to both sides?

[neat barn]

Like I keep saying, their actions say otherwise. But words speak louder right?

[forest flower]

I just can’t answer those questions I’m not a dev. My perspective is and will continue to be the change is here. How can we propose a tweak that both sides are happy with.

[runic stone]

the devs arent gonna be happy with anything a grinder wants your not seeing that we cant meet them half way if the half way isnt even on the field

[broken adder]

who needs change if nobody askes for it... revert respawns the way they was and EVERYONE would be happy. who would complain about something working right

[runic stone]

and revert the tents to how they was when nepal released nobody complained about it when we found a way to use it

[broken adder]

those tents gave everyone an opportunity to be able to hunt tahr. now is really hard on grinders and damn near impossible for casual players

[forest flower]

I didn’t like that you could fast travel right onto animals and they wouldn’t spook tbh

[runic stone]

but your also not a grinder and it didnt affect you in any way except your opinion

[broken adder]

with that being in the game tho it didnt affect you negatively in anyway but helped grinders. so what would that hurt?

[forest flower]

Well I still use tents. It kinda broke the immersion for me

[vapid moon]

Exactly

[runic stone]

you dont have to use it that way tho right all you gotta do is use it how they was used before the update that changed it its not that hard

[forest flower]

Well it wasn’t like I tried to use it that way. It just happened and it was not my fave. I felt it needed to be addressed but could be flexible on how it was addressed. Even going back to where the animals wouldn’t render in would’ve be fine. The devs went a different route and I’m ok with it. But I get why some aren’t.

[vapid moon]

Let’s just hope that they fix this soon they said that the respawns taking forever is only supposed too be for tigers apparently so hopefully this is just a bug or something

[broken adder]

Yeah that would be the best case senario. I have no issue with that being only on tigers i understand that since they didnt work properly to begin with. Everything else should be normal

[versed heron]

Tahr are hard by design.

[violet thicket]

Grinding and 'run and gun' ? Yeah changes are sorely needed if people think these are the only ways to play a hunting game.

How about staking, how about still hunting, calling, stand hunting, flushing?

The deves never wanted this to be a looter shooter, and just because some players found a way to make it that, doesn't give them the final say on the games direction.

[broken adder]

It basically is the only 2 ways to play. If you try hunting in a stand and calling animals too you good luck…. Animals in this came are based off of zones and they are always at those zones at certain times. If you try hunting in tree stands you will be lucky if you call in a couple animals and it’ll always be from the same exact zone. This isn’t a simulation game LMAO

[vapid moon]

Agreed go too way of the hunter or whatever game provides that experience 👍

[broken adder]

Exactly. This is an arcade type of game not a simulation. Several realistic simulator games you can go play.

[vapid moon]

Not sure that guys message even is relevant we are talking about animals respawns not complaining about that game is realistic🤣

[violet thicket]

Then why did the devs market it as simulation LMAO?

[violet thicket]

Hmm doesn't say arcade anywhere on the store page... it does say situation tho. 🤔

[broken adder]

So you really think with how the mechanics of this game works it’s a simulation?? Last time I checked in a simulator game you can fast travel, animals respawn in the exact same places. Doesn’t even have realistic mechanics period.

[violet thicket]

Again. Just because you find a way to exploit the game mechanics, and play the game like an arcade shooter, doesnt mean that is what's intended. And doesn't give you a right to stop the devs from removing said exploit.

The devs can't be much clearer, they said the exploits are a result of bugs. Not intended.

You have developed false expectations based on the community, not official promotion.

[wintry moat]

There’s plenty of “simulation” hunting games. I like having an arcade hunting game where I can get a lot of cool trophies without having to put in a un realistic amount of hours. I don’t have a lot of time to play so this is kind of a sting for my motivation to play COTW.

[broken adder]

At this point you don’t even know what you’re talking about… I guarantee you hardly even have any time in this game. I’ve played this game for over 5,000 hours so I’m pretty sure I know what I’m talking about. You can play the game how ever you want to I don’t care at all just don’t try to make people play a certain way and ain’t no way in hell this game will ever be close to a simulation game. They would have to change the mechanics completely so wouldn’t even be the same game.

[violet thicket]

How idoes bragging about hours played have anything to do with this conversation?

[wintry moat]

Personally I want them to revert the update because COTW is really the only arcade hunting game and that’s what I’ve enjoyed for years. I loved coming home to do a few GO runs in hopes that it might be the day I get one. Now it feels so un realistic for me to get a GO.

[neat barn]

If you're are talking about the tent and tiger bugs, they were created by the devs trying to change something that they waited over 2 years to also call a bug. The animals not rendering in, it was never brought up or even mentioned as a bug until now.

[broken adder]

Because having hours in the game means you know how the game functions. I know every in and out of this game. Bro you don’t know what you are talking about. In the past they even stated in EW streams it’s not a simulator.

[versed heron]

Now it feels so un realistic for me to get a GO.

Honestly, that's the intent of Great Ones. They never anticipated that people would actually grind them.

[violet thicket]

Is there a statute of limitations for bugs becoming features I'm unaware of?

[versed heron]

Yeah, by that logic the sticky plant audio is clearly a feature because it's been in the game for YEARS.

[wintry moat]

I know. However, after being able to get 3 GO this just really sucks.

[violet thicket]

The game's not that complicated, it doesntake 5,000 hours to figure it out. That doesn't give you any extra authority on this or any other discussion. If anything, it's a little worrying it took you that long to understand it.

[wintry moat]

I’m not angry about the update just kind of bummed.

[neat barn]

I'm pretty sure he had things figured out long ago, it just takes time to grind over 100 GOs, build following a of thousands that appreciate someone that understands the game that well and approach him for help and advice. In that kind of time we also notice the sly changes EW keep making.

[vapid moon]

We are talking about respawns why are you crying about the games mechanics?

Make a separate feed back page if you wanna cry this is completely unrelated too animal respawns

[violet thicket]

'Oh no, someone is making valid points that I disagree with. I better find some way to silence them'.

My contribution to this discussion began with a quote from the original post. It's relevant.

[vapid moon]

All dude said was some people prefer too run and gun not the main topic of the conversation lol but if you want too talk about that rather than respawns go for it but its still pretty irrelevant compared too everything else that’s happened