Respawn Changes

[distant pasture]

This is without a doubt the biggest example of saying one thing and actions showing otherwise. The dev team rolled out these changes without even announcing anything remotely mentioning respawn changes. Over and over we've been told that they have no issues with grinding and encourage everyone to play the game however they want, whether that be run and gun, spot and stalk, grinding, etc. Now we're being forced to wait longer and longer for respawns to enter the game because that was never "how it was intended". This change affects one group of players ONLY. The game doesn't need suppressed respawns. The best way for EW to gain the trust of their player base is to completely revert these changes and look at alternatives. So many players feel completely blindsided by these changes and are furious beyond belief (rightly so). You're limiting the amount of animals a player can kill per hour just because you feel like it's too many animals. Please revert these changes and look to make the game enjoyable for all.

[flat latch]

Here here

They have their heads in the sand

[vague perch]

Glad all the time and money put into this game is going out the window way to go EW and your trash Dev team (tips cap)

[flat latch]

Ultimate hunting here we come

[bleak bough]

We need to link this thread on the tents one, so people get to talk here and gets more attention

[pure lion]

EW ruining their game any% speed run

[quasi vortex]

Not one reply from anyone at EW either! They must know they f'ed up surely

[pulsar inlet]

Glad I have woth installed on my Xbox

[pure lion]

WOTH is on sale as well, might be a good time to buy it

[maiden abyss]

Think about CC whose live is mainly based on grinding. No one will watch someone kill a few animals, then sit for 30 minutes, kill again and wait again. It's their job.

[pulsar inlet]

Had WOTH since release date it’s actually fun

[maiden abyss]

Nobody asked lol

[flat latch]

If your going to be a pain go away

[sleek dragon]

No Communication. No Warning. No Details. I get it, a lot of players don't read patch notes or keep up with the game, but for people like us who DO, this was completely out of left field.

[fading pebble]

A big question that I have is if leaving the map doesn’t force respawns then do you have to spend the amount of time that a respawn takes still on the same map. That could be a huge issue. What if I shoot a few animals on Mississippi and then don’t play the map again for 4 months? No respawns?

[thin terrace]

it does look like it .... and that is just baaaaad

[maiden abyss]

They talked about tents, we had time to get used to these changes, but no one said they would spoil the respawning of animals

[distant pasture]

Exactly. There was zero mention of "btw, we're messing with respawns"

[boreal veldt]

EW has been running there game into the ground for years at this point zero bloody clue why and how they mess up this bad after countless issues.

They need to bring back public PC betas desperately.

not that It was ever sunshine and rainbows back when they were an option but it did help a crud ton.

[thin terrace]

cant even run like 2-3 GO grinds and just switch maps to get to respawns .... now it seems to be a "waiting simulator"

[sleek dragon]

The hunting lodge is not the place to announce parts of a patch and then completely blindside us, I don't know what the vision is.

[maiden abyss]

No because if you leave map animals don't respawn. Sick

[rain geyser]

more passion, more passion, more energy, more energy, more footwork

[faint swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-frustated-mad-gif-1493979694804943467

[frail crystal]

For me it’s the fact that for years, we’ve been told that they won’t tell us how respawns actually work and no one who plays knew either, there’s been so many theories and none have actually been foolproof. We enjoyed not knowing how respawns worked and trying to make sense of them. Yes, we found that leaving maps will force respawns, yes we found that time resets will make the respawns come back, and that’s all fine. Doing that, doesn’t make any difference to people hunting in my eyes. It’s just a way of getting respawns. But as far as spawning rng, we don’t know a thing. All we know is the cryptic “you have to pick up your kills.” But now altering how respawns take time to come back after saying you don’t want us to know how they work is just not the vibe. We were happy being clueless about how they worked, and now we’re unhappy because we have to wait archons knows how long for them to come back. It’s especially annoying for those who don’t have the time to sink into playing for more than maybe an hour or two at most. This feels like a punch in the gut to those who don’t have the time to wait for respawns or enjoy the game.

[maiden abyss]

Meanwhile during live:
So, viewers, now we look deeply into each other's eyes because I have to wait 30 minutes to be able to kill an animal in a hunting game 😊

[thin terrace]

😬👍

[vague perch]

Hello @rain geyser two left feet don’t make a right

[rain geyser]

i like feet

[distant pasture]

I'm not surprised

[thorn nacelle]

I'm pretty sure Jaxy said something during an EW stream, I believe just before or around when Sundarpatan released, about not being able to go to the main menu for instant respawns.

[rain geyser]

i think everyone is overreacting here. this was surely posted somewhere 🍿 🍌

[bleak bough]

He said nothing about it. I replayed the talk about this patch like 5 times, spawn changes were never addressed

[maiden abyss]

7 years after the game was released, they suddenly started changing the operation of tents because they were supposedly bugged, but everyone knows that this is to make grinding more difficult. After the release of GO, it was obvious that players would find a way to get it as quickly as possible, and instead of being happy that we were playing this game, the creators were doing everything to make it more difficult. they could deal with the fact that animals fly, levitate or stand upside down. If someone wants to play a realistic hunting game, buy WOTH.

[wild gale]

For me, is that change a reason to Look for another hunting game to play.... i've got only few hours a week to play, love the diffrent maps, but i also like to have some diamants and rares in my lodge, and to Grind some spots was my only way to get some .... that update makes it imposible for me to get some anytime ... thats annoying

[boreal veldt]

classic you get respawns every time you quit and exit, join the 'light' side 👏

[hollow turtle]

I haven't played yet, does anybody know relatively how long the respawns take to come back?

[wild gale]

About 25 minutes

[maiden abyss]

20-30 minutes

[hollow turtle]

That's insane

[vague perch]

Can’t wait for EW stream 😬

[rain geyser]

thats going to be beyond entertaining lol

[clear edge]

20 to 30 is insane when I get off work and wanna play for a little while I don't wanna wait longer to play a game I paid for

[sleek dragon]

This is a videogame. It's not an actual hunt. A ton of people who play this game would never even think of hunting in real life. In that sense, tuning towards immersiveness and realism isn't the play. These animals are pixels on a screen, and as more and more cool things like great ones and rares get added, the less important and "trash" feeling common low levels feel. Stop making it harder for us to spawn in animals that are fun to hunt.

[steep mulch]

The tent changes were are even that bad. But why the HELL WOULD THEY MESS WITH TYE RESPAWNS?????? Way of the hunter has a better respawn system now. Do they really want people to leave the game????

[rain geyser]

exactly- its an arcade style hunting game lol. why change it after 7 years lol

[maiden abyss]

Because now it's working as intended

[steep mulch]

I'm like actually done with this game now. Like what's the point. I don't have the time to wait 30 minutes for a tahr or hell for that matter a qual to respawn

[vague perch]

We had such a good feedback post about this previously it’s crazy to think that EW straight hit us with the “hold my beer”

[sinful fulcrum]

Yes, I play this game to shoot animals, I do hunt in real life, but I know what to expect IRL, but this is too much for a game.

[sleek dragon]

The worst part of this is that is simply change for the sake of change. If they want great ones and rares to feel special, then they need to put in the dev time to create online infrastructure and trophy ID's. Attacking your most loyal and dedicated endgame players because you suddenly have a vision for game balance is not going over well.

[rain geyser]

... isnt that something that shouldve been thought about 7 years ago when youre even coming up with a game to create? lol

[maiden abyss]

If I buy a game, I have the right to play it however I want. After all, I'm paying for it....

[sinful fulcrum]

Yeah, and after putting a year in the making to the Tahr furs and horns and Tiger furs now they are so rare to get.

[steep mulch]

I swear if content creators start glazing this update to be a good one.. I might up and quit this whole game. Something NEEDS to be changed.

[rain geyser]

if i was EW i would legit contemplate cancelling the stream today

[sleek dragon]

people modded in great one tahr and abused 3 lake for weeks. These trophies are already devalued. Too little, too late, and it's not even the right decisions. Baffling to me.

[maiden abyss]

Content creators don't even know what to do now lol

[sinful fulcrum]

And people never asked for a Great One tahr either, we asked for Tahr, not a Great One tahr. That also baffles me

[rain geyser]

@sinful fulcrum that was the over a year long worth of "extensive testing" lol

[sleek dragon]

Opposite end for me, I love tahr I think they're great and were absolutely the right g1 to make, but they are beyond frustrating to go for, even more so now.

[sinful fulcrum]

And not even the tents for me, the respawn thing is bad, but also that sometimes its 2 hours into a zone time and they're not there

[steep mulch]

Yeah stream is going to be a storm

[clear edge]

I kinda feel bad for jaxy cause he's gonna be the first person to get the whole brunt of this backlash in the stream today

[frail crystal]

Like I’ve said, I’ll feel bad for the abuse jaxy and the mods will take because it’s not their fault, but they are the ears and voices for us.

[thin terrace]

if the stream happens and Jaxy has to do it on his own... then he will be the "sacrificial lamb" .... will be brutal

[sleek dragon]

I think a lot of the discussion has shown that most people realize this is not Jaxy's fault. This is a game development ideology issue, blaming the name EW not a single individual, even if it was their idea. Love the devs, hate this decision.

[rain geyser]

@thin terrace that will 100% be exactly what happens

[flat latch]

True,

But
As community manger he does have to deal with the discontent the community has, hopefully though people are civil about it as he’s a good bloke.

[thin terrace]

and Jaxy does not deserve that ...

[clear edge]

Tbh I just wanna who approved this change to begin with

[rain geyser]

@thin terrace to a certain extent i agree. HOWEVER.... do not say that things are "working as intended" and now out of the blue it's an issue lol

[frail crystal]

Just a thought, but he may also not like the change. He’s a player before he’s a community manager, he may also not approve of this update and want a change. Just a thought.

[sleek dragon]

Tyk or someone will step in and say if it isnt civil, rn its just feedback

[thin terrace]

imo.... he probably did not know of the respawn changes .... and got fed by someone what he "has to say" ..... I don't think he would call things an "exploit" in that manner.... felt like a company line to me

[spice blade]

I don't care about changing tents, but why did they touch on respawns...i have to quit the game because of this change of respawns

[rain geyser]

sure... but if youre going to be the community manager there needs to be communication with the devs for questions to be answered. this game is literally teetering on losing many players @thin terrace because of the last, what 2 weeks?

[thin terrace]

if you have watched the streams with Jaxy ... you might have noticed, that from the beginning Jaxy had to say thing like "I don't know, I have to check with the devs" on logical questions from the community ..... and i don't think this was on his side ..... the devs (at least from the outside) seem to not like to communicate a lot.... it felt (to me and some others I have talked about this), as if they let him dry in the open

[rain geyser]

@thin terrace i understand where you and everyone else is coming from. but at the end of the day, he's responsible for knowing this stuff, to avoid EXACTLY this. i understand it might not be 100% his fault but the lack of communication and from what he has told his loyal fanbase and people in the stream is that everything was working as intended. whether thats intentional or not, i do not know and dont care to speculate. there are questions that need to be answered. everyone on that dev team knows exactly how people play this game, how the grinds work, how "casual" players hunt, etc. you can almost pinpoint exact questions that will be asked today, and the outrage that will come in that stream if it were to happen today. yes, jaxy will get absolutely rolled today for stuff out of his control but there NEEDS to be WAY more communication between him and the devs.

[thin terrace]

do you really think, the devs KNOW anything about how the players play... if they couldnt foresee, that the "3lake tiger grind" would be a thing that "needs to be fixed"? I don't think they have a clue .....
But i do agree.... there has to be better communication .....

[rain geyser]

@thin terrace the 3 lake thing? absolutely not. with a year of "extensive testing" and having all of these SR tigers pop up "out of nowhere"...... like come on. the "standard" way that people play/grind the game is seen almost every single day on streams, with people promoting their game.

[thin terrace]

I mean.... I am a WoW player.... "grinders" (in every game) are "degens" (not meant in a derogatory way!!!) ..... if there is a way... they will find it .... always has been and always will be like that 🤷‍♂️🤣

[rain geyser]

@thin terrace for jaxys sake, the devs better have something REAL good to say about this lol

[bleak bough]

To be honest we need a formal statement from the devs, at least let us know if you don’t want us playing the game anymore

[honest anvil]

We obviously they have something now called a player council that plays some part in all of this .... Not sue who those folks are ????

if this is some group that EW is listening to ... would at least like to know who they are ....

[bleak bough]

tbh I was just wondering this HOW TF ARE THEY? And why are they doing such an awful job. 99% of this months problems could be fix with testing and understanding of the game. We have the community breaking in half because all of this

[thorny crypt]

After 2k hours on the Game idk how much this actually is compared to others - I just started grinding fellow deer and moose and tigers. In my pov this update is the worst update so far you should remove it immediately. With a new hunter game on the horizon the dev. team should make the game more fun and not kill of a endgame part like great one grinding. With over 3k fellow deers & 1 GO and 2k moose with no GO it’s hard enough to get one as player who just want enjoy the game after work. So what’s the point here? Idk if I count as casual player, but my point is. Why do EW create Great Ones and make it this hard to get one - no casual player will ever have the joy to get one, if even the dedicated grinder have to put that many many hours into it. A run and gun player has no chance to get a GO if we look at the statistics… Bevor this worse update I was really optimistic to get GO with a good effort, but now it’s feel like slapped in the face out of nowhere…

[sleek dragon]

exactly! If you want to make the game casual friendly, then make the trophies casual friendly. This weird middle ground isn't it.

[distant pasture]

I'm assuming those are the beta testers. Surely they can't have known about this change and agreed with it

[bleak bough]

My guess is that they are all “realistic” players, that also explain how the mess up all the fixes related to grinding. No other way to explain it

[sleek dragon]

the community council is a weird middle ground. We don't know who they are how they play. It's less beta testers and more like getting early access for non CC's

[distant pasture]

Not all of them are realistic players

[sleek dragon]

tbf Jaxy did say it was a diverse group, and that's all we know really

[bleak bough]

They don’t feel diverse at all ngl

[distant pasture]

I can almost assure you that it's more diverse than you'd expect

[sleek dragon]

They don't really matter, because they're not making decisions solely off the community council, there's no way

[keen raft]

I don’t really understand how this a “bug fix”. You cannot reasonably tell me it took all this time with no mention to the player base that respawns happening when you leave the map was a bug. You are single handedly destroying what a lot of content creators do, not to mention how much traffic they drive to the game because of grinding.

This is a blatant slap in the face.

[robust sinew]

I wish there was a way to get a refund as I hate dealing with dishonest people and EW has been dishonest.