Tssurgi .338 model change…

[gritty sable]

Let’s face it…. The Tssurgi is heavy, ugly, and unused. Now I know it’s highly unlikely that the Tssurgi gets a new model to replace its…. current self. But I’m hopeful EW ATLEAST thinks about reworking the .338 to represent a true hunting rifle instead of that ugly bench gun.

I’m thinking either a Steyr Carbon or Winchester XPR.

[marsh pier]

Nice carbon fiber in the first pic!

[gritty sable]

@earnest pasture what is there to like about this ugly thing?

[earnest pasture]

“I don’t like that this rifle doesn’t look like every other bolt gun in the game. Let’s change it to something more bland!” It’s different, not bad. It has a cool design, maybe it’s not your cup of tea, but not everything has to please you. The only thing I’d like to see come from the .338 cal rifles is a buff. They should be outperforming the .300s, but because of the type of .338 they used it doesn’t. I would like to see that changed.

[gritty sable]

It’s ugly and heavy. Literally the two reasons that nobody likes it. Why can’t that be changed? Wouldn’t you want a viable competitor to the .300?

I do. I’m tired of one gun being the go-to for everything 7-9.

[mild sand]

It's heavy, the design is made for benches, the sights are hideous, the magazine swap is like everything else in the game, it's absolute crap at defensive shooting, it takes up almost as much of te screen as the crossbow.

.338 Lapua is bad choice for hunting in the first place, especially in a game not designed for long range shooting, the only reason it works in Way of the Hunter. WotH at least recognizes this and has several other bolt actions in the same class that are actually designed as hunting rifles.

The Tsurugi is a target rifle, not a hunting rifle, and last I checked this is a hunting game

[earnest pasture]

Ugly is subjective, not objective. I think the Tsurugi looks cool, so we will have to agree to disagree on the visuals of the gun. Is it big? Yes, but that isn’t a major issue. This isn’t a fast paced FPS where every second counts and not being able to see what’s behind your gun could mean you’re going back to the lobby. Having a gun that is larger than the others just serves to diversify it, which is welcome in my book.

I already stated previously that I support buffing the .338 cal rifles to set them apart from the .300s that dominate the games current big game meta. If they were to get buffed in this way then the weight of the gun would be justified. Trading a higher weight cost for better performance on large game feels pretty fair. It also doesn’t have to be changed to LM, there are other options that would still outperform the .300s in the game. LM is a fine option tho, especially in a game.

At the end of the day, it is a singular gun. It really doesn’t need an entire remodel. Some buffs to the performance for a reduction in weight would be fine and is a much more realistic option. If the devs were to go and remodel a gun every time someone wasn’t in love with the way it looks they would never be doing anything else.

[strong flare]

To the one person who disliked this seek help

[mild sand]

The Tsurugi came in a weapon pack with two amazing rifles, designed specifically for hunting and with amazing animations and useful cartridges. It's like they did two fantastic guns and thought "Hey, we need something that looks really modern and tacticool to really sell this pack" and stuck us with a benchrest rifle that makes absolutely no sense for hunting. I know Jaxy said his friend hunted with one irl but I'd be more than willing to bet he's just sitting in a blind with that rifle clamped into a rest

[earnest pasture]

Such a weird thing to say to someone who simply has a different opinion. Hopefully you mature and stop doing things like that.

[strong flare]

I could write an essay explaining why the 338 tsurgi is stupid and why it shouldn’t have even been added in the first place because for one thing it’s not even a hunting rifle it’s a competition/bench gun as well as your mentioning of 338 getting a buff is funny because they haven’t even disclosed truthfully which 338 round it is so it’d be hard to buff it based off of them just giving us the type of bullet it could possibly be.

[mild sand]

Sadly, jaxy confirmed it was the Lapua Magnum on the last livestream

[earnest pasture]

Just because it’s a different aesthic, doesn’t mean it isn’t hunting. Hunting has never been, and never will be, set to one aesthetic. Hunting has gone from hands, to rocks, to spears, to bows, to muskets, , to lever guns, to bolt guns, and now modern “tacti-cool” guns are starting to make their way into hunting. What is wrong with sitting in a stand with your gun? I personally find it boring IRL and stick religiously to spot and stalk, but I don’t think that stand hunting is bad, just different. This entire sentiment of “my way or the highway” is so tribalistic and it’s starting to disgust me.

[earnest pasture]

It doesn’t matter if they disclose the actual caliber or not. Just change it and buff it to be noticeably better than the .300, that isn’t a hard thing to do.

[mild sand]

You're entirely skipping the fact it was not even remotely designed for hunting, neither the caliber nor the rifle. If you have any hunting experience you know how much of a pain an overly heavy rifle is. The design of this particular rifle would be catching brush on the hike in and awkward to position when you need to shoot.

Hunting is a culture all it's own and highly subjective. If it disgusts you that people want to hold onto their traditions that's fine.

[strong flare]

And you call me “immature” do you realize the differences between 338 lapua and 338 Remington and 338 wssm and 338 win mag and 338 Remington ultra magnum? These cartridges all have huge differences in there efficiency at being used on large game to just say oh it doesn’t matter is crazy.

You can’t just say ‘oh buff it it doesn’t seem to be a noticeably hard thing to do’ when it is because what the hell round are they comparing it to.

You obviously arent very well knowledgeable on firearms so maybe dont go around calling someone immature just because I’d rather not set you straight with the facts.

[strong flare]

Then it needs a hella buff

[earnest pasture]

Hold onto your traditions is fine. NO ONE is saying you can’t hunt with your lever gun. By all means, continue to do so. No one is forcing you to use things that contradict your traditions. What’s disgusting is that you are trying to force your traditions on others and saying what they are doing isn’t real hunting.

As for the design. It isn’t fair to say that its design isn’t applicable to hunting. Would it be cumbersome to hike through the mountains? Yes. Would it be a hassle to get it through dense and thick brush? Yes. But it’s probably an amazing gun to use in a stand or at long range. Saying it’s not for hunting because it’s impractical to hike with it is like saying a musket isn’t for hunting because it can’t shoot past a couple hundred yards. Different tools for different scenarios.

[strong flare]

I don’t watch the streams so that knowledge I wouldn’t know. But generally if it’s 338 Lapua it should be doing somewhere around 70-79 ish penetration if they really wanted to make it stand out because the penetration difference in 338 Lapua and 300 win mag is immense.

[strong flare]

No it’s design is literally to be a bench gun it’s not a hunting rifle it’s a 10-15lb+ rifle that’s meant to be stationary when shooting for it to be the most accurate.

[earnest pasture]

Which is why I said that it would be a good gun for hunting from a stand or at long range. Both scenarios that would accommodate the rifle perfectly.

[strong flare]

Have you ever hunted in a stand before? Here’s how that guns set up to work

[earnest pasture]

Comparing it to the current in game 300. Change the in game .338 to be a variation that would significantly outperform the .300 and then buff the .388 accordingly. Which, I guess since it was confirmed to be a LM would be pretty easy.

[earnest pasture]

The gun will absolutely do its job as a gun without a proper bench setup. Proning and resting it on a backpack or bracing it on something inside of a stand would work fine.

[strong flare]

You would think that But remember the people who are the devs of the game are just now starting to gain knowledge over fire arms and I still don’t expect them to even know how to level it out.

[earnest pasture]

It’s not rocket science. Just increase the pen to like 70-80 like you already suggested.

[strong flare]

That’s not the point 🤦‍♀️ every gun works as a gun yes it’s a tool but the fact it’s based off of a bench gun is not something that would ever be used by any hunter.

[mild sand]

If you're done with you moral grandstanding, I never said it wasn't real hunting or that people could not do it. I said the gun is not designed for it. There's a 400 yard render limit in this game, explain to me why a 1000yard capable rifle is more useful than a standard hunting round? Why exactly did the devs choose the .338? Typical loads for the .338LM run between 250 and 300 grain bullets designed almost exclusively for long range accuracy.

The .338 win mag typically uses bullets between 200 and 275 grains with a vast majority of the bullets designed for hunting.

When the game first came out they were trying to cover all the animals with six rifles, we have far too many animals and rifles now for that to work but the ballistics have not changed. They should have chosen the more flexible WM for a hunting game because it could have covered way more animals than it does now

[strong flare]

It is when it comes to the expansion of the round, also I should restate that it should probably have a penetration of 50-60 not 70-80. 338 lapua is not that powerful lol

[earnest pasture]

This is simply an opinion. It’s big and bulky, so likely won’t be used by hunters who do a lot of hiking. But the stability would be something that stand hunters and long range hunters would definitely use.

[strong flare]

Dude even when I hunt from a stand you need to have the whole set up for a bench gun to work otherwise the weight distribution is thrown off.

[mild sand]

Even long range rifles meant to be used in a stand don't use this design, they're called Beanfield rifles and there's a gulf of differences in the designs that are used

[strong flare]

The rifles NOT MEANT to be hunted from a stand it’s meant for a bench lol

[earnest pasture]

Okay.

[mild sand]

Oh look, .338 LM designed for hunting. They could have easily picked a design that was more suited to actual hunting

[inner heath]

I seriously doubt EW is going to waste development time reworking a digital model due to something subjective as aesthetics. Some people might not like it, but the artists at EW evidently did, and that is what matters in the end.

On the other hand, the ammo it uses is not unique to the Tsurugi LRR, so the in-game ballistics could perhaps be reconsidered more generally (and I agree probably should), but I don't see the model itself changing.

[mild sand]

Posted a thing, might solve the argument here.

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[marsh pier]

That looks like one bad mama-Jama!

[grim lotus]

Hello ayoliam,

Thank you for your feedback on the Tssurgi .338. We understand your concerns about its current model and appreciate your suggestions for a potential rework to make it more appealing and representative of a true hunting rifle.

We’ll take your feedback into consideration as we review the game’s weapon models and look for opportunities to enhance them. If you have any more ideas or suggestions, please feel free to share them through our support portal. You can submit your suggestions here: https://support.thehunter.com/hc/en-us/requests/new.

Thank you for helping us improve the game!

[gritty sable]

Thanks bot!

[slender linden]

I love using the Tsuringi.

[fresh latch]

I... Kind of like how the tsurugi looks

I like that it doesn't look like your usual hunting rifle. It looks like a rifle meant for use at 3000m