Community Talk 👍or👎: Funding vs Content

[charred yew]

I've been seeing a lot of talk about Reworks - Backfills - Maps - Gear - Weapons etc. & I watched Jaxybeards stream, and he explained a lot of what's coming & how some things are affected in game as well as its development & team.

So I'm going to make a suggestion for you (The Community) to decide good idea 👍 or bad idea 👎.

•Maps: $11ea.
•Gear/Weapons: $8ea.
•Cosmetics: $3/$5ea.
= $25 roughly w/tax <--With the New Price Values moving forward.

•Backfills/Reworks: take time and money. Some have suggested to pay an additional $7-$10 as a separate content rework option, some want 1 rework & 1 new map a year, others suggested purchasable animal packs.

🔹So here is my proposal....an optional Monthly or Yearly Subscription: ex. $5.00mo/$60.00yr
•$25: New Map, Pack, Cosmetic - •$10 Rework - •$10 Backfill - •$15 Maintenace/Bug Fixes

-Everything wrapped into one that is completely optional.
-In addition, players would have access to all existing / future content while being subscribed.
-A new lodge as a Sub reward <---(my suggestion) - EW could decide different Sub reward(s) or the community could choose if they give us the option to do so.....

-In addition to those who are NOT interested in a subscription, EW could also release Everything separately for you to purchase in the store leaving you the option to choose which Backfill(s) and Rework(s) you want as well as the traditional Maps, Packs, Cosmetics, & Lodges that best suite you.

Like Jaxy said were a community and EW is a business and they still need to make money to keep the game going & release content. He also said that bugs are still bugs and neeeeeeed to be fixed.

With this proposal we the players keep getting content while also supporting the Devs & Team to produce more content, features, & bug fixes as well as maintenance.

So I ask the Community:

Good Idea 👍 or Bad Idea 👎

[bleak bane]

I don’t think this is a very good idea as having animals only appear if you pay for them means that multiplayer isn’t gonna work well as there will be animals that some people can’t and some people can hunt

[gleaming shuttle]

EA Games vice president

[charred yew]

Your way off the mark. The point was to pay for a subscription to allow players to use all the content without having to buy them individually. Think about this your 1 person buying $25 of content a yr on thehunter. 100,000 players buy the same in a yr thats $2.5mil a yr as a one time purchase. No more cash flow to fund the team for additional content. Now wrap your head around this $5mo sub you get all the content without buying them. Now 12mo at $5mo = $60yrly now take the 100,000 players and do the math $6mil.......thats alot more funding for a company to invest in all this content ppl are asking for and has potential to expand efforts to all divisons to do bug fixes as well as your maps and backfills through out a yr. "As for those who dont want a sub that have content already they would have the option to buy what they want no different than you do now with maps, pack, & cosmetics at a higher value to compensate for the rework & backfill costs" The backfill and rework packs sold separately in the store wasn't my idea it was suggested in a different thread.

[charred yew]

Your hilarious and no EA is a horrible company that destroys games outside of they're sport bread winner titles.🤣👍

[charred yew]

the remark to animal pks is a thread I seen suggested related to the backfill not my idea it was used as a general expression to what the rage is. Ppl keep wanting more without understanding that its a lot of time invested and highly expensive to do. The reason why its cheap is bc they have a small team and it takes a long time for them to do the content. They could easily hike up the prices if they truly wanted to.

My point in all this is they need more funding to expand their team and efforts to tackle the bugs as well as pool resources to kickout a lot of content ppl are pitching in the feedback. If you don't agree then quit trying to beg for content if you're not willing to pay for it. They are a business and they won't give it away for free. However if they could they probably would within reason.

but from what I see thus far a good handful of ppl disagree with paying extra to help fund content for backfills & reworks. 🤣

Sry Jaxy & EW I tried to help you guys out to get you more resources to fund production that was affordable for the players so they'd get more out of it🤗 guess they dont want it that badly yet, we can wait👍

[charred yew]

And for the record this post was for me to make a point for the community to see if youre actually willing to pay alittle more to get more reworks, backfills, bug fixes, maps, & additional add-on pks &/or features based on the mass number of content vote ups in the feedback everyone is claiming they want in-game. If you're not willing to pay more to get the content added in the game, then dont ask for it. Its not cheap, or easy to make content with a small team with a $2.5million avg. content buy out a year its actually really low in today's generation of game development and I'm shocked they kept the cost down this low for 7yrs. Which is why your only getting the same ole few dlc's a year. So dont be surprised if we only get a few additional new things every so often outside of a map, cosmetic pack, & a gear/weapon pk or 2, a year. And yes I would pay $5mo - $60 a year to see bugs fixed, more animals added into multiple maps, fur and texture reworks as well as additional gear & features added in the game.

[brisk ocean]

He was just joking, chill

[charred yew]

oh I'm laughing about it it does sound like a sale pitch they would do for sure🤣

but in all honesty I do feel the idea would help the team in there development while having players still get content thats affordable for the adds behind the scenes like the reworks and backfills plus bug fixes. With having a sub for $5mo

whats your honest thoughts on it truthfully Wellington?

I want to hear what ppl really think bc we all know that everything they add takes a lot of time and money to produce content.

And I've seen alot of good potential content listed in the feedback, we all have. If we want the content its only fair we pay for it am I wrong?!

[gray bronze]

Your idea is really not stupid, it's even for me, I haven't already paid for everything just the cards that interest me so Medved-taiga and Vurhonga Savanna. And if you have to pay again to get a new version, it's as if I bought it for nothing and therefore wasted money for nothing. Plus, it turns out that you can pay more, you can end up being disgusted and finding it less surprising, so still a waste of money. I prefer that one day they do it, see already if it is good, if it is good, no doubt I will pay for it if one day they do it a third time (for example they remake Vurhonga Savann) and we have to pay again, sorry but died. So I like your idea, it's just that for me, if it meant wasting my money on something that I ultimately wouldn't like, it wouldn't be possible.

[charred yew]

thats exactly the point I was trying to get across with those wanting to pay more for content they already have thank you

[charred yew]

my suggestion for the sub is literally $5mo you get everything as part of the subscription. As of now your paying $25 total. $11 a new map $8 for a weapon pack $3-5 for cosmetics with the new pricing. If 100k players buy all 3 thats $2.5mil a yr EW gets in content sales. The $5mo is $60 a yr but you get all existing and future content with the sub at $5mo. Now my logic for the $60 a yr is it provides more funding to EW 6mil a yr if you had 100k players have the sub. Thats a huge gain for them yes but it allows them to expand and fund the assets towards the content we've been wanting as well as bug fixes and hell maybe an improved title down the line. But we win paying $5 a month to use all the content and EW makes money and gains resources to further invest into added content.

I think most ppl could easily afford $5mo. And for the record its not mandatory its purely optional to those who want it. Those who dont can keep buying only the content they want instead of a whole package. My other mind set to this is new players more so. Want to pay $100+ to get everything or $5mo for a yr and get everything available?! In time you'd be surprised on how quickly revenue would flow with this feature esp if new players continue to flood in.

[bronze talon]

I’ve been playing for 7 years. At $60 per year that would be $420 I would’ve had to spend on a game to play all the content. That’s crazy expensive for a hunting game… Would I have done it? Probably.. but most people wouldn’t and that would actually make EW worse off financially

[charred yew]

Back then I wouldve agreed with you 200% but its booming atm. Now keep in mind I said it would be 6million a yr instead of the current 2.5million using 100k players as an example. These kinds of numbers would advance production and staff and as I also mentioned a possibility for a new title. I expect the game to run till 2027 after that I'd expect a new title to drop due to the current program they are using to be a fossil.

[bronze talon]

What’s booming? Tell me what casual player would spend $60/year on a hunting game. Maybe a few, but not very many. Also, when companies do stuff like that, they lose a lot of their player base due to their customers feeling like the company is being greedy. Take what Apex Legends is going through right now as an example…
Not to mention if they did something like this while the multiplayer system is the way it is now and for console, the bush sounds being so bad it’s hard to play even 5 minutes without going crazy, they would basically be asking people to uninstall and find another game. Far too risky for them to even try with the game in the current state

[charred yew]

You do make a valid point however those games are designed to be cash grabs so are mmorpg's with micro transactions. I'm not the only one who would pay for a sub for the long haul and at $5mo for what you get even for a yr I would hardly consider it greedy.

The bugs is a huge issue and Jaxy said so in his stream its a small team. And if I'm being honest I'm shocked the prices for dlc's are as low as they have them at an est. 2.5mil a year. But considering how small it is as well as the funding its not surprising to see only 1 map and 3 pks a year.

But thats my point they have no staff to crack down on bugs. Jaxy even said they cant stop making content to focus on the bugs for year bc they wouldn't have work for the designers or creators if they did and that alone tells me they lack funding to get more hands on deck but yet they dont raise content to current market values also tells me they want more players and keep it affordable. Going from 7.99 to 10.99 isnt bad for a map when they could easily do $24.99 a map

But all I was getting at as the whole point of the post if we want more content and the issues fixed we will need to pay for it if we want it.

this was just an idea I know that works to bring in steady revenue without breaking the bank.

but your right its too late in the game to do this as is and it has maybe 3yrs left of life but its a suggestion to keep in mind if they release a new title as well.

[bronze talon]

Look at the last releases patch notes. Pages and pages of bugs fixed but the bugs that have the biggest impact on over 50% of their player base are ignored.. They are going to have to focus their priorities on fixing things that will actually have a real impact on the game before the majority will commit to paying more. I don’t at all disagree with charging more so they can put more into the game, I’m just saying these major things need to be the focus and once they’re fixed we can revisit an increase in revenue for the team

[charred yew]

Lol oh I'm fully aware of that and I never disagreed with you I want fixes too bc consoles multiplayer is broken. I even said as much in the support page but they are working on it according to Jaxy. Did you watch his stream?

Sent ya the link

but yea EW needs official lobbies instead of player hosted only lobbies like what they did for TheAngler that are maintained and refreshed. Its not perfect but it works more than 35% 😅

[bronze talon]

Nope. Honestly I don’t really trust what I hear in the streams. There seems to be a lack of communication at EW. One day you’ll hear one thing and the next is the opposite. Take tent changes for example…
They’ve told us bush sounds were fixed, they weren’t. Then radio silence for years about it. With tahr, the streams made it seem like they lived on the mountain tops and on the highest rocky points, when they actually just hide in the trees and in the rhododendron forests. That’s not to mention every time I bring something up in stream that they don’t want to touch on they just glaze over it. I’ve tried to bring up two issues over many streams, he’s not once touched on anything I’ve said. So if it ain’t worth their time to discuss it, it ain’t worth my time to watch it

[charred yew]

well the jist is the patch thats coming has alot of fixes related to Nepal, tents, playstation connection, and others that were suppost to get fixed but didn't but this time there confident about it so we will see. Honestly I've only had 3 issues

Medved Animals clip glitch in n on terrain, Rancho pheasants will not flush. They run or stare at you, & the 30-35% success rate to join multiplayer.

[bronze talon]

The constant bush sounds has pushed me away from the game multiple times over the past 3 years. It’s truly awful and I’m glad you don’t have it. I would also love to play multiplayer, it would change my whole experience with the game but multi is unplayable. Everything else I can deal with but honestly, those two are pretty much deal breakers for me. I find myself not wanting to play the game and usually just head out to the lake to go fishing instead

[charred yew]

I may have had the bush noise once or twice but that was it. And multiplayer I really think its based on the hosts connection & area. Bc I got a group on xbox I play with n they have no issue joining my hunts and vice versa. Its the random find a game that breaks on me.

[gray bronze]

I have this bush problem very regularly and it's just super annoying. As for multiplayer, I like the fact that we can play the map that we don't compare to the fishing game. I don't think that's the problem but I'm not an expert at all on this kind of stuff.

[charred yew]

yea theres a bug me n a buddy found when we played TheAngler but its avoidable

[bronze talon]

I guess every random has free McDonald’s wifi then because I can never join and stay in a random’s server. I have the fastest and most stable fibre internet money can buy where I live so it’s either everyone else has the worst internet on the planet or they are just scapegoating and blaming it on the other persons connection. I find it hard to believe a few servers don’t have stable connections though so I’ll go with the latter.

[charred yew]

I'm waiting for the patch to see if it gets addressed or not

[bronze talon]

I wish I was that optimistic about it. I personally think it won’t be touched 😞

[charred yew]

But as it seems the community has spoken they dont want to pay for backfills or reworks separately and hate the idea of a subscription. 👍 Thanks for looking fellas it was worth a shot to see what ya'll thought on the topic. ✌️

[opaque dawn]

From what I understand, there were economic reasons why theHunter (now Classic) became COTW rather than theHunter 2, and moving from the Free-to-Play model of Classic to paid. Going backwards is very unlikely.

[charred yew]

I'm on console so that must've been pc and it would make sense to move to a 2nd title. However by 2028 I'd expect a 3rd version if they keep the trend going on a modern system and I'd still buy it bc I still love the game regardless. But they would be smart to add more to the marketplace/store to increase revenue. All my point was as is the game has 2 maybe 3yrs left on the current program they're using. And an avg of 2.5million a year seems like alot but its really low with assets and creation, animation, testing etc. Increasing with each passing year. They could keep cost low if they added in a subscription. Most companies produce cash grabs I get it, hell my netflix is $30mo. At $5mo anyone could and can afford it unlike cod or other modern giants its 29.99 or 49.99. ESO $16- $17mo and thats been out for 10 or so yrs as well but they use a micro transaction for content.......sadly 80% of modern games do to pool money then you have dlc thats 24.99-49.99ea. So ppl are comparing to potential cash grabs and this isn't and never has been a cash grab but they definitely need more funding somewhere to increase there staff to crack down on content as well as fixes. Anything they gain outside of that would most likely be invested towards a new modern title. Its how industries stay in business if they are smart about it.

[bleak bane]

I don’t think a subscription is a bad idea if it’s done well I just think the animal packs won’t be able to feasibly work as it would mess up how multiplayer works

[charred yew]

Oh the animal packs wasn't an actual suggestion it was just a reference to an existing thread related to the backfills topic. I took some examples from other threads to make a point. The subscription idea was my solution to resolve all the debates on how to fund them. But as you can see the community has spoken even though I fear they have the wrong idea bc 80% of modern games are cash grabs and abuse the ability to make profits. All I suggested was a $5mo subscription that allows players access to all the content as an optional choice while others could buy them as they always have. Not like you wont be able to cancel it and buy what you want later. Its no risk to the company bc 70% of players will continue to buy pks 1 by 1; newer players would be more inclined to use the sub for a yr or 2 even so the company makes revenue, and the players get content its that simple. EW is really dedicated to there community if they werent maps wouldnt be $11 they would be 24.99-29.99 if they truly wanted to.

[charred yew]

Again it makes no difference ppl have already down voted the idea for a subscription, so unless someone else has a better idea to fund EW for content and bug fixes as well as a potential 3rd gen title after 2028, then I dont expect much will change from now to the 10yr anniversary in 2027. 3-4 pks a yr with some backfilling and maybe a rework. Alot of the feedback ideas are amazing and I'd love to see it but unless they get more funding to expand I dont see hardly any of them making it into the 2nd gen title esp. 7yrs in. Although I have some hope, they will get the funding they need for a 3rd gen TheHunter title with an up-to-date system and engine that'll support a functioning multiplayer as well as a majority of the feedback ideas. But at an avg $2.5million a year for 100k players or so between all platforms for the next 3yrs........its not likely with current development costs and maintenance fees. Its a business that's community driven so only time will tell moving fwd.