More AR’s or no more AR’s?

[west kettle]

With the recent poll, many have made the outrageous claim that people want more AR’s… so I say

Yay AR’s 🟢

Nay AR’s 🔴

[velvet shell]

Tacky and cheap,

ARs are not hunting rifles and are seen as being incredibly unsporting, outside of America.

Whenever we get US customers at the game reserves here want to bring AR style rifles we refuse on the grounds that you are coming here to hunt our game species you will do it properly.

[hearty sedge]

There’s nothing wrong with hunting with ARs. They are available in a wide variety of calibers and configurations to make them very appropriate for a wide variety of game and hunting styles. The only problem is how samey they all feel in a video game.

[west kettle]

They are only used for grinding in this game. The grinders have their 1-9.

[velvet shell]

Disagree

They look unsporting and are more than often used by people that shoot things just for the sake of killing something.

That’s my personal Expiriance with years worth of American hunters visiting my local reserve.

Too many idiots thinking they’re soldiers by shooting at impala with a Semi automatic thing made of plastic

[hearty sedge]

Neat. Your experience is not universal.

[velvet shell]

Not at all, but it’s definitely Worth more than yours

[hearty sedge]

Bold claim

[velvet shell]

“Neat”

[regal sonnet]

Lmao right? What a weird thing to say

[hushed umbra]

ong ong

[unkempt verge]

ARs are used for culling pigs, fine, that makes sense.

When I hunt, I want a wood and steel with a hard hitting caliber I can rely on. I own a .223 ar and use it to keep foxes and coyotes out of my chickens.

I have a .30-30 I hunt with

[vagrant ridge]

I don't hunt IRL. And, from COTW alone, I think ARs and modern rifles don't realy "match" the game. But that's just my 2 cents. If people want ARs in the game, let them use it.

[shell yacht]

What are you talking about?

[digital kite]

I understand people who hunt with ARs, they are very practical and convenient, but I don't use one and am not currently interested on getting one. I use a Rossi 1894 .357 magnum carbine, which I find to be more fun to take animals with

[hushed umbra]

“my opinion means more than yours”, weird thing to say frfr

[velvet shell]

Far more sporting having to take your eye off a target to record a bolt than do silly double tapping of game.

So unsporting

[west kettle]

You sound like a child…

[shell yacht]

I'm actually poking fun at the new "in fashion" lingo

[digital kite]

I dont know any hunters that use ARs. Most people I know use bolt actions and lever actions, with some using shotguns and a couple using semi auto M1As

[pine pike]

I say yes to ARs, but what I’d prefer to see is an AR STYLE weapon. For example, a tactical looking rifle, but it’s a bolt action.

[sweet palm]

We wanted ars we got ars but not every gun has to be an ar imo the 300 blk should have been an ar but that’s should have been the last ar

[flat fractal]

I don't find them interesting, although my friend loves them

[digital kite]

That's probably what the new .300 blackout rifle will be like

[hearty sedge]

I hunt with an AR sometimes. I can double up two deer very quickly. I can get a follow up shot to keep a deer from running as far. Very practical. Very sporting. I know several other people that use them the same way.

[velvet shell]

Shoot properly with a real rifle and you won’t need follow up shots…

[digital kite]

I dont think the .300 should have ever been a thing, and it would be nice if we got a non-AR semi auto platform in game someday

[unkempt verge]

Why are you taking 2 deer at a time?

[hearty sedge]

Because they’re tasty and I have 7 tags and room in the freezer.

[pine pike]

Yall, we all come from different hunting cultures and schools of thought. Some people enjoy hunting with ARs, and others don’t. But don’t trash on other people for how they hunt.

[digital kite]

I don't mind ARs at all nor does it bother me to hear about other people using them, they're just not my thing

[unkempt verge]

Exactly. There's more semi-auto rifles than ar designs

[pine pike]

And that’s perfectly fine

[hearty sedge]

Agreed. Remington 742 please

[digital kite]

Which is why I think ARs are not necessarily a bad addition to the game, though we very recently got a new AR so I believe we should at least give it some time before another one is added for variety's sake

[unkempt verge]

Oh yeah? I got 6 tags last year and I still take one deer at a time. I want to fill my freezer but taking more than one deer slows down how quickly you get the meat into the freezer

[hushed umbra]

yea i think my main thing is i like the semi auto part i couldnt care less if its an “ar” or not

[velvet shell]

Nothing wrong with the current ones ingame, but we need a return to proper sporting rifles, made of wood and steel.

[cerulean bramble]

I’m for ARs. AR platforms are versatile, ergonomic and objectively effective. the idea that a rifle having a polymer chassis makes it worse is fundamentally stupid. if that was the case, modern sniper rifles would not be made from polymer. that’s your taste, not a fact.
I would prefer, more bolt action rifles of both traditional and modern look…or in fact, the ability to swap out stocks to cater to the varying desires of the community. However, I have no problem with ARs of varying calibres being added to the game. After all, nobody is forcing you to buy or use any future weapons that are added.

[hearty sedge]

I don’t particularly want more ARs in the game but I’m happy to argue against anybody who says they aren’t/shouldnt be hunting rifles. That’s just being a Luddite.

[digital kite]

If no more ARs were ever added to the game, I would be fine with it too, though. My perspective on this is as neutral as can be

[velvet shell]

Rent free😎

[digital kite]

100% agree

I would like to see other guns added first, but I wouldn't be up in arms about new ARs being added

[unkempt verge]

So you're literally saying "if you don't like ars you're a caveman" sorry but that's an idiotic thing to say when people dislike something.

It's not about objectivity or effectiveness, it's the culture you were raised in. The traditions you care about

[west kettle]

I’d take a BAR Mk II over more AR’s any way of the week.

[shell yacht]

As long as proper hunting rifles take priority idrc. That explains my view on it

[sweet palm]

That is something I could get behind

[hearty sedge]

Dislike is fine. That’s different than “ARs aren’t/can’t be hunting rifles” when they objectively can be

[sweet palm]

I want more semi autos not ars like maybe a 270 deer gun idk a brand or model to throw out there or just more stuff like the m1

[velvet shell]

It’s less the rifles more the idiots that use them.

Crap attracts flies

(Generalisation ik)

[digital kite]

Id love to see one added, though it would be basically a reskinned M1 pretty much

[cerulean bramble]

Agreed. I’d prefer modern bolt action rifles over a new AR338 or whatever. but, if an AR was added instead I wouldn’t be mad. The issue imo, is the archaic idea that a “real hunting rifle” exists. It doesn’t. there are traditional hunting rifles, and modern hunting rifles. What matters is the round, the barrel length and harmonics and how it performs. Not if it’s made of wood and forces you to manually chamber a round.

[west kettle]

Nah, .338 BAR

[sweet palm]

I would be ok with tactical bold action rifles like some that sig do

[unkempt verge]

It's not just us, it's regulations in most areas. They aren't meant for it, only a few were designed to do it. The rest are just people changing parts so they can use it and feel cool

[hearty sedge]

several people are typing

The thread

[digital kite]

Now that is certainly a much more interesting proposition, would absolutely love to have one in game

[hushed umbra]

not everyone hunts irl, not everyone cares about “a real hunting rifle” i just wanna be able to play the game in a way i enjoy

[unkempt verge]

#1258804814041579661

Yeah, so would I

[digital kite]

Completely agree

[hearty glacier]

Make it happen. I don't what you are but your name is red and everyone else is green so maybe your important

[pine pike]

I’m just a moderator, so I don’t make the game.

[digital kite]

Even if its no longer produced, it should still be added. It would fit the game well and would please both those who want more semi autos and those who want more traditional rifles

[hushed umbra]

unfortunately i think hes just a discord moderator and not a dev

[grave fossil]

I’m In favor of no more ARs. I believe when hunting that there should be an element of class. ARs just don’t feel sporting to me.

And I fear if they keep making ARs they would start considering AKs

[unkempt verge]

Fair, but we have ARs for every class and we just got another one, they need to give people who like classic rifles something now

[hearty glacier]

Darn

[digital kite]

The thing with class is that it is completely subjective, so it would not be fair to judge rifles on nothing but how classy they are

[hushed umbra]

right. idc ab class at all, if you gave me a rpg id be stoked

[velvet shell]

I disagree, some people have incredibly poor taste.

It’s ultimately a reflection of what certain types of people pick and choose.

I judge the firearms by the owners, hence why I don’t like ARs

[digital kite]

Obviously there has to be some limit, but what I mean is that some might consider only manual action guns to be classy, while others would consider guns such as BARs and M1As to be fairly traditional too despite being semi automatics

[cerulean bramble]

I think a more important topic is customisation. The community is split between how they like their weapons furnished. This could totally be negated by a beautiful thing called choice, let the player change their stuff. therefore those of you who are very loud and opinionated on why wood stocks are best, do not need to worry if a new rifle is added…if you can use a wood stick on it.

In addition, to the above statement by wellington, judging a weapons performance on its owner is objectively stupid for a lack of a better term.

[velvet shell]

Ultimately anyone who thinks that knows little to nothing about hunting and it’s culture and has unfortunately discovered the past time by accident

[velvet shell]

It’s serves me well here down south.

Thank you Mr Airsoft…

[unkempt verge]

Funny, I'd still choose the smaller magazine

[cerulean bramble]

British army combat reconnaissance*
I don’t Airsoft.

[digital kite]

Not adding a gun simply because of the type of person who you personally associate it with in real life is ridiculous, especially considering this is a video game meant to appeal to the masses

[velvet shell]

Not talking about ingame, this was an earlier irl discussion matey

[cerulean bramble]

Throwing around lizard, personnel insults? That typically points to an inability to debate. if you must ask, as it states in my name, I make concealment products. Hence, why I am indeed wearing my own products. Shocking, I know.

I also prefer “crow”, Ty

[hearty sedge]

My two current hunting rifles. They both go to camp and the plans for the day dictate which one goes into the woods. (Ignore the flashlight, I took it off an hour after this photo)

[hushed umbra]

nice dude that ar is sick!

[mint remnant]

After extensive in-game comparison, I prefer the Olsson .308 over the Zarza .308:
-Olsson looks better in some schmexy woodgrain.
-Olsson has less drop beyond 300m. Tested at the range at 400m, then down a mountain at Tahr.
-Olsson POPS like the Canning .300 Mag - so much more satisfying than the SNAP of the Zarza.
-Zarza holds 1 more round and has faster follow-up.

[digital kite]

Oh. In that case, that is a perfectly valid opinion

[velvet shell]

You took lizard to-heart?

Crying shame Mr Crow,

regardless, our argument aside I am interested by your concealment hustle. Do you do rig modifications or is everything bespoke?

[unkempt verge]

Remember what I said about the way you word things? This is what I meant, you lean into the argument hard and when someone gets mad you act like you have the moral high ground. Not good

[hushed umbra]

to be fair this one kids literally only here to argue about nonsense

[west kettle]

You?

[velvet shell]

He does look about 14

[hushed umbra]

nah i ain argued w anyone except the kid fishing, even complimented a setup

[digital kite]

I haven't seen you add much to the discussion

[cerulean bramble]

No not at all. No, I don’t modify rigs. Nor do I wish to promote here, but…the focus is bespoke Ghillies, however any 3D materials can be added to kit. Trying to go about this smoothly without promoting

[velvet shell]

Who’s fishing?

[hushed umbra]

when i spoke i did, other than that ive been sitting here watching the arguing

[digital kite]

Also, Wellington, do you happen to be from South Africa?

[velvet shell]

That’s genuinely quite cool, I know quite a few guys who run small taylorship businesses, usually around their base area, but none of them are making ghilles.

[digital kite]

Since you mentioned being somewhere far South

[cerulean bramble]

Nah we’re fine. I was simply saying it was irrelevant. He can call me a raging turbo lizard if he so pleases, he wouldn’t be incorrect, just irrelevant.

[velvet shell]

I work down here, from UK

[digital kite]

I see. I've been to South Africa before, very nice country with friendly people. I think I had some distant relatives living there at some point

[cerulean bramble]

Indeed that’s why I tried to hop in and get stuff going. Loads of Airsoft targeted Ghillie designers, but I know of only one other making them for proper use.

[velvet shell]

Real

It’s a cool thing to be doing, wishing you the best of luck in your company 👍🏻

[velvet shell]

It’s great place

[cerulean bramble]

Appreciate it bud. What’s the gig with this anti poaching stuff you’re doing? Seems an interesting job, had a look into some of the courses and stuff a while back.

[regal sonnet]

Those look sick, I'd like to see them added

[velvet shell]

If it’s something your still interested in doing I can chat to you about it.

What companies did you look into?

[unkempt verge]

Browning and the AR is just aftermarket stocks

[cerulean bramble]

Ooft, I can’t remember lad. I think the website was conservation Africa or something along those lines.

It would be something I’d be interested in, however I’m looking at evolving from a crow to a Rupert.

[velvet shell]

A noble aim, also one of mine over the next year.

It is a big time commitment

[cerulean bramble]

It is indeed, one I’m still trying to talk to the missus about. We’ll see my friend

[velvet shell]

I love democracy

[sharp wing]

Accuracy/quality, weight, versatility, handling, and #1 ethical result are priority requirements.

Aesthetics and tradition/heritage are largely meaningful bonus features to my personal preferences.

Embracing advancements in technology is not necessarily bad in my book, but it seems to me that ammunition is changing just as rapidly as the platforms that deliver it.. So when considering a newer model, my answer is: Insufficient data; caliber, ammunition selection, action, projectile weight/grain/material, barrel length, twist, overall weight? The list goes on..

Ammunition could very much use some much needed love for sure.
IRL, I’m seeing ammunition advancements breathing new life into heritage firearms, and that’s what’s really exciting! 🤠

[azure glen]

I don't mind either way, just keep the spread of new weapons being added varied to allow people who like different types to have their time to get their fun new weapon. Not like I wasn't potentially taking down 2-3+ animals in game without the AR depending on the situation, just makes it smoother and more clean kill wise. Its a game, the AR just lets me follow up faster. Same thing everywhere else functionality wise I can just shoot quicker.

[hallow spindle]

This statement is not true. I love to use one when walking through the brush in Sundarpatan when Tigers are lurking. Grinding is not the only use.

[west kettle]

In this game, I’d be willing to bet 94% to 97% of the player base uses the AR’s exclusively for grinding.

[hallow spindle]

I can't speak for them. I'm just saying they are nice in other situations and have other uses.

[west kettle]

I think it’s just best they shy away from AR’s.

[hallow spindle]

I respect your opinion but I think they are just fine. I enjoy all weapons and utilize them where they can be.

If it were up to me though, I would say the hell with all weapons temporarily and give us a lodge 😂

[uncut light]

So basically you're basing your opinion of an entire demographic off of rich brats that can drop 80 grand to go to a game reserve in South Africa? I mean i could say the same about guys who own and hunt with big bore double rifles; all but two or three that i've met/seen are spoiled and unsporting folks who i'd scarcely trust with a microwave oven, let alone a dangerous game rifle

[uncut light]

Yes because having a "proper" rifle totally makes it okay for someone to pump 4, 5, or more shots into an elephant to take it down on a guided hunt in Zimbabwe; they're using a .600 with black chrome finish barrels and black walnut furniture, so their inabilities are excused, but God forbid anybody dare use an AR platform made of aluminum and polymer and shoot perfectly on an impala, they're unsporting just because it's not a "wood and steel" rifle (the barrel, bolt, and chamber on AR style rifles are still made of steel even if the forend isnt, and you can buy wooden furniture for them)

[uncut light]

If you have to chamber a second round with a centerfire bolt action you're not shooting well enough; first shot should always be enough; needing a followup because of bad marksmanship is the opposite of sporting

[untold tree]

I see no issue with a few more ARs, they're fun to use ingame

[velvet shell]

You are late to the party,

We had this discussion yesterday, I’m not reigniting it. Take a deep breath and a warm Bath and you should feel better😊

[wraith cave]

But for those not expert in weapons, someone nice could explain to me what an AR is. because honestly I have been following the debate since the beginning without understanding anything 🤣

[velvet shell]

Assault rifle.

[wraith cave]

Ok thanks you

[crude wraith]

AR = ArmaLite Rifle. "Assault rifles" have selective fire (i.e., can be fully automatic), but obviously civilian versions of ARs do not do this and are therefore not assault rifles.

[velvet shell]

☝️

[lime stone]

I dont use AR's myself ... my standard load outs are pretty much 22, 243, 7mm and 300 Mag (non AR ) .... I haven't found anything I cant kill with that load out .... I dont use the AR's just because they just don't feel like proper hunting kit for me ... I used them enough in the military so I don't see them as a proper hunting rifle but don't fault others for using them .... I do think at this point the game has enough weapons and I wish EW would prioritize something other than weapons packs for a change ....

[wraith cave]

Yes, after knowing what it was I decided to do some research and I didn't know that this type of weapon could be used for hunting (at least it's possible in France). It's just that in the collective imagination, in my case at least, we are more inclined to weapons that fire 1 shot with time between them like the one in the game than to semi-automatic weapons. I wouldn't say no to a single weapon for the moment, seeing how it looks in the game. But then I also saw that there are weapons that look like this type of weapon but are not. Some kind of cosmetic that makes non-AR weapons look like Ar weapons. In short, let's see what happens if they decide to put 1.

[supple roost]

There cool I admit but at the moment unless they can bring something new to the table I dont see the point.

They all look almost identical, plus there not the most visually stunning weapon in general either (game & IRL wise)

We dont need twenty million calibres in an AR style gun.

If they want to add more I think the best way would be adding a switch out calibre rifle, after all. AR's are highly customizable being able to chose our own calibre for each model is better than twenty dlc packs that all focus on repeat AR's.

AR's arent any more unsportmanship than bolt actions or straight pulls or levers.

All rifles with adequate shooting can be fired without ever taking your eye off the animal (if) a second shot is required.

I can understand banning them on safaris I admit no offense to the Americans but for being a gun loving countries a lot of your guys morals, and shooting is sh't!

You guys are very well known for being poor rifle shots in europe (great shotgun shots though) so I see how that also extends to africa as well.

[wraith cave]

it's true, especially in my country. We are targeting a lot of endangered animals, extinction for some or vulnerable animals, etc. And again, I'm not talking to you about stories about people without doing so on purpose. So yes I admit it we are bad shooters and it is true that weapons are pretty cool in Europe too. After I said it I agree for the moment for between 1 and 3 different ARs to see a little variety etc... If it's not great at worst I won't use it.

[velvet shell]

Not hate towards all American hunters, but we have had a disproportionately large amount of issues with them.

Trying to bend rules, rude, entitled, treating our black staff horribly, exceptionally poor marksman ship, no concept of gun safety (and we are super chill in Africa so you can guess how bad some are), and general really unsporting behaviour.

We cancelled 26 guest stays because of poor behaviour last year, 22 of them were Americans.

And that being said there have equally been some charming Americans who have hunted with us over here.

However we have had far more negative encounters than positive ones. Which is unfortunate.

[lime stone]

Any American that can afford a trip to hunt in Africa are probably the entitled crowd that think they should be able to do whatever they want because they are used to getting their way .... Doesn't categorize all Americans ....

[velvet shell]

I didn’t that’s why I said we have also had some charming ones…

[wraith cave]

Afterwards, Americans are not known for their strong character like the French, so that means that there are perhaps fewer unpleasant people in the United States. I've met American tourists before and it's okay. But what Wellington wanted to say was that there are cool Americans and others who aren't, and towards him, this year or last year there were more bad guys than good guys.

To return to AR, it's cool if AR is created and seen globally in this country. For example an AR widely used in the United States if the first AR is American. If German, a German AR etc...

[mint remnant]

Always clarify before you get too excited when the gf asks you to pick out some "black walnut furniture"

[willow matrix]

Stop telling people misinformation, especially to people who don't know any better

[velvet shell]

That’s the term that I’ve been taught that we use here. so no it’s not misinformation. Funnily enough different places say and do things differently

Shocking revelation I know,that there’s more than one country on this planet.

(Wait till you hear about the moon)

[willow matrix]

Did you know that AR literally stands for Armalite Rifle? And that assault rifles would not be ar15 they would be under military designation. Crazy I know.

[velvet shell]

We use the term AR here to refer to any weapon that looks and resembles assault rifles. Read what I wrote…

You have straight pull ARs that function like bolt action
Self loading Ars, self explanatory
And automatic Ars

You still don’t seem to understand the concept that different country’s describe things differently.

This isn’t some sort of jackpot, calm down spud.

[willow matrix]

But ar still doesn't stand for assault rifle no matter where you live or what you call them, I don't care if you call bolt action rifles assault rifles. Ar stands for Armalite Rifle. Not assault rifle. The guy you told ar stands for assault rifle most likely doesn't live in a place where they call everything assault rifles

[velvet shell]

Your still missing the point,
Of what I’m saying, are you genuinely incapable of understanding that different places call it different things?

Do you want it in brail would that help?

[floral blade]

Yeah. I feel that. I call my AK an "AR" at times. It's not a term exclusive to the ArmaLite Rifle.

[velvet shell]

Exactly

[willow matrix]

Brother I do not care what you call things at all. I am simply saying that ar does not stand for assault rifle. Call things what you want I don't care at all.

[velvet shell]

How are you still missing the point?! Genuinely how?

It does stand for assult rifle IN OTHER COUNTRIES

[willow matrix]

No it does not my man stop getting so heated

[velvet shell]

A spade is a spade

Also it really does, “stop spreading misinformation”

[willow matrix]

Dude. Ar in the context of the guns we are talking about (ar15s). AR can stand for assault rifle but not when we are referring to ar15s where it means Armalite Rifle. Call things assault rifle I don't care but it doesn't change the fact that the ar in ar15 stands for Armalite Rifle

[velvet shell]

Nice try, but we never specified about AR15s

I did talk about all the variations of ars we have, but not once have I focused on the AR15

And you literally just said it doesn’t stand for assault rifle and that it only stands for Armalite whatever, so now your contradicting yourself…

[willow matrix]

We are talking about ar15s here (and variations of it) all ar in cotw are ar15s ar10s or 22lr ar15s

These are the rifles we are talking about

And to be clear I don't like these being in the game very much. They are not true hunting guns

[wraith cave]

in your country, that's what you said, but in my country, that's what he said. Both are good. When I wrote what he said to me, put the photos when you put etc... There is no need to attack someone because he said a sort of synonym of the word you know . You know, there are things like 192 countries in the world, it's almost impossible to have a term that represents just one thing for 192 countries with some having multiple cultures.

It's true that when I look at what it's about, we talk more about weapons for the military than weapons for hunting. But hey, I would still like to see what it will look like

[willow matrix]

I'm not trying to attack anyone but I think I came off as meaner than I wanted too lmao

[unkempt verge]

I'd much prefer lever actions, there's 4 ARs in game and 3 of those have 2 variants. Versus just 3 lever actions, only one of which came from dlc

[willow matrix]

Yes, we desperately need move lever guns

[upper helm]

I liked when the first released ARs for pig hunting but after awhile ARs can get very repetitive IMO

[unkempt verge]

IF. . . IF, they do more ARs, I'd like them to focus on AR-10 (.308) size rifles. That would allow for any cartridge based on a .308.

You know, .243, 7mm-08, .260, .338 Federal, and .358 Winchester and preferably using a wooden stock, 5 rounds or less in the magazine, with no giant front sight to catch on everything

[uncut light]

I want the .30-30 to be buffed so it isn't anemic; its performance in-game makes me sad

[uncut light]

Decompressing with a hot shower does help

[unkempt verge]

Omg yes, the Whitlock is my favorite rifle but it's patheticly weak. It needs a buff and boost to 3-7 class

[uncut light]

the thing that always bugged me about it being 2-6 was that, judging by the picture used in the game store, it's firing 160gr or 170gr soft points; those loads are used for mule deer, black bear, and occasionally elk IRL; shooting a yote with that would just be mean

[mint remnant]

Grew up using the 30-30 and was crushed when the Whitlock underperformed so badly

[unkempt verge]

Yeah, I know. I've got several lever action posts up. Including modernizing the .30-30
#1261684184758489139

[uncut light]

Hornady Leverevolution would solve so many problems

[unkempt verge]

Exactly, but I hate how the moradi made it obsolete

[uncut light]

yeah, although the guns in this game powercreep heavily, so I suppose it was to be anticipated

[unkempt verge]

Most of the issue is that they are base game. They were implemented before any dlc and scoring 1.0 was trying to cover two reserves worth of animals with 6 rifles. They haven't updated those six original rifles in the slightest to keep up with new weapons

[uncut light]

yeah, not even remotely; pretty sad to see them left behind

[unkempt verge]

Thing is, I like the sights on the .270 Huntsman more than the eckers .30-06. I wish I could swap the caliber and use the Huntsman with .30-06 ammo

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[uncut light]

more customization would be absolutely great, especially since almost all the rifles in game come in multiple chamberings

[main harness]

Can you guy add into the game an Sig Sauer .22LR Caliber Semi-Automatic Air Rifle it’s a PCP Please. I enjoy this air rifle in real life would love to see this monster in a game.

[late relic]

Imo I'm more than okay with semi automatics, but... What's there to add for ARs? Like, why not add an HK91 or a Vepr something instead?

[shell yacht]

To be completely honest. There is no harm really with hunting with an AR.
But they are pretty versatile with the ability to change calibers just by switching the upper for a different caliber. I honestly don't think there should be any other ARs added into the game.

I would like to see more single shots added into the game. I personally would like to see a single shot .300 blackout or 8.6 blackout.

This is just coming from someone who does have actual hunting experience. I know other do too but not everyone is able to hunt irl.

[late relic]

Add a Browning BAR or something, a really nice civvie semi auto

[celest copper]

Ar’s make great hunting rifles especially for predators and culling. But another cool idea could be an AK variant (5-10 round mag) or a more appropriate SKS in 7.62x39mm. Personally have used mine for up to black bear and as small as raccoons just fine

[naive ivy]

This is probably the same argument that takes place every time new advancements are made in the ways people can hunt. When humans went from spears to bows the traditionalists were probably whining about how using a bow isn’t real hunting. When humans went from black powder to lever actions the traditionalists were probably whining that lever action isn’t sporty because you can have more than one shot. It’s the same argument now. The traditionalists are arguing that the superior capabilities of an AR compared to a a lever or bolt action make it inherently evil or something. Don’t let the few bad apples with ARs ruin it for everyone. People have been doing unsavory things in hunting for ages, ARs are not the issue. The issue is bad people with bad intentions.

[rain timber]

I want more semi auto old rifles like the m1 garand

[proper scroll]

Here in Texas using ar’s is a common and very acceptable way to hunt and take game. Ik in Europe it is not seen a common or ethical thing but generally here it’s normal. Whether you want more or not is up to you but to me it doesn’t matter what type of firearm is used to take an animal what matters is does it do the job efficiently and if it does it well. Which with my use of an ar10 to take white tail at range and also bolt actions I see both as acceptable ways to hunt.

[celest copper]

Exactly the same thought here. Maybe branch out from just AR styles though. Love the system but maybe like i said earlier an ak variant in possibly 5.45 for small/medium game and an sks in 7.62x39 for mis size coukd work. Im sure theres other platforms that would work well also

[proper scroll]

I wouldn’t use an Ak only because to me 308 will do a better job then 7.62x39 lol but maybe as a small game rifle like 2-6 or 3-6. I own a zastava ak so I can understand why some might hunt with an ak but I generally go by use the best round for the job.

[celest copper]

Ive used 7.62 really well in my sks for black bear out to 203 yards. I see no issue with it. But i was thinking a 5.45x39, smaller diameter. Simmilar role to 22-250 and 243

[proper scroll]

I can see that then lol, I think hunting with an sks seems a little goofy but that’s just me I do think it’s cool though 😂

[celest copper]

Goofy maybe but very effective.

[marsh hill]

I have a HK MR308 IRL for hunting… why? Because after the AK47 and the K98 system it is one of the most used systems in the world…
And it is one of the safest systems. The rotating bolt head locks securely and as a shooter I have significantly more safety than with other established and widely used hunting rifles such as the Blaser R8

[blazing summit]

I'm from the western part of the US and own a .223 and a .308. We have a real problem with coyotes and feral pigs. The coyotes kill calves and lambs, and the Feral pigs destroy crops and fields. Hunting with an AR platform allows you to move quickly from one target to another. Please don't say it is not a hunting rifle.

[sharp wing]

Varmint management and hunting can be two very different things.

[celest copper]

Maybe in specific context but they also overlap in similarities. Regardless they are useful for situations that happen in the game

If the devs didnt see a need for a higher volume of fire all that would be available would be single shots

[willow matrix]

Exactly, I personally don't want any more ars in the game but so many people use them irl. People act like because you are using an ar it's unethical when you are shooting the same ammo as bolt actions. Like why is an ar an unethical weapon but an m1 garand isnt?

[celest copper]

Exactly. Well said

[west kettle]

Irl? The average joe can’t really get a M1 Garand and they are usually heavy as hell. Ingame? Because .30-06 is anemic for some odd reason.

[willow matrix]

An m1 garand isn't too much heavier than an ar with a good optic and bipod, but still obviously less manueverable than an ar. Agree 30-06 is pretty much useless when you have 308 or 300 magnum

[celest copper]

M1 garand is a 30-06 but its meant to work with 150grn bulkets going around 2400 fps. Its a good system but not a strong system. Thats why companies have made adjustable gas plugs for garands to use more modern ammo. Which is why it works in the game. But irl without that plug yes for a 30-06 it is pretty weak

[west kettle]

The .30-06 is also extremely weak when shot out of the Eckers.

[celest copper]

I’ve noticed equal “power” when using both 30-06, havent really had any issues with either except on moose honestly. Maybe its just time for a buff for the 06 round in game 😂

[west kettle]

It drops like crazy all of a sudden.

Moose also need to be nerfed, moose are tough but they ain’t that tough.

[shell yacht]

It isn't. What are you talking about?

[west kettle]

It’s pretty weak dude.

[shell yacht]

100% qk on reds without sacking them on the spot, about where it should be

[west kettle]

It has a lack of penetration and drops like a poorly made paper airplane, almost sad that it ended up completely outperformed and outclassed by .308.

[shell yacht]

All the guns do and the 308 drops more. Idk what you're talking about

[unkempt verge]

.30-06 should do a little better on class 7 and 8. It outperforms the .308 with heavier bullets like 180 and above

[real harness]

I say theres 4 ARs more than there should be

[broken meteor]

I agree and disagree! I'm not against AR Platforms as hunting Rifles in the slightest its no different than a wood stock semi auto with 5 shots. They are lighter and alot more versatile than most conventional wood or synthetic rifles. Not to mention they are fully adjustable to any shooter. Most states will allow 5rnd or 10rnd mags (with a 5rnd stop) restricting capacity but still allow enough mag to grab out of the weld. Also I will note not all AR's are semi Auto their are a lot of bolt action uppers on the market. Also stocks come with cheek combs shoulder adjustments even thumbholes. Now the important part. The ability to change calibers on the go without buying a new rifle but by simply reusing an AR15/AR10 Lower and replacing the appropriate upper to the lower AR15 ex: 223, 300blk, 6.8/ AR10 ex: 6.5creed, 308, 450Bush, etc. My opinion......to each their own preference but it works. Also there's a huge difference from Civilian semi-auto/bolt Armalites & Military single, 3rnd burst, full auto Assualt Rifles. They may use the same platform however the lowers are vastly different. Not to mention the US does use 7.62x51 (.308)/.223 (5.56Nato CAN NOT BE USED IN .223Rem barrel!!!!!) However a .223 can be used in a 5.56Nato there is a difference with headspace and expansion for those who dont know. And a .300win & .338 are also synthetic stock rifles snipers use as well. And the 300win Armalite in-game is modeled from the NEMO. My only complaint to EW is the .223 Armalite is modeled as an M16 variant when it should've been a Remington VTR and the. 308 as the Remington AR-25. These would've been more appropriate to use as a reference to their design. The 22LR was meant to be flashy but useful to plink, comp, and pest control. If they're going to add more in the future, they have to be the civilian Armalite Hunting models over a sport/comp model. Honestly, I'd like to see a bolt variant with a thumbhole stock with a flat handguard over the picatinny or rail cover.

[broken meteor]

Agreed

[shell yacht]

Does alright on 7s imo. Don't think the ingame round is a heavy grain based on the drop

[steel ibex]

I voted 🟢 cause ARs in the game are not stopping me from not using them, and just using rifles.

Let them be

[broken meteor]

30-06 is also a long action cartridge over the short action .308 cartridge. The amount of powder and case design for combustion also creates different pressures so I'd expect the 30-06 to perform slightly better then the .308 as well however what I dont understand is why the M1 isn't seperate than the bolt 30-06. The M1 is amazing however the loads are vastly different. You would destroy the extraction components using modern loads in an M1. Thats why most boxes specifically. Say 30-06 M1 Grand over 30.06 Springfield. Another common mistake ppl make, and I do feel that should've been applied in-game as well as 2 separate rifles over just another variant.

[hybrid tree]

They’re seen as unsporting even in US. We just have a bunch or redneck “poachers” I’d consider them. Not hunters. I use an AR style for Coyotes, that’s it..

[hearty sedge]

Times are changing.

[willow matrix]

I'm not trying to argue, just wondering. Why do you see them as more unsportsmanlike than any other semi autos? Genuinely curious

[fresh shard]

Tbh, I use the AR's in-game for "culling missions," when I have to get rid of a bunch of animals

[uncut light]

According to who, exactly? I'd also like to have anyone who's ever hunted bighorn, mtn goat, or really any alpine game animal with an AR-10 in 6.5 Creedmoor weigh in on what exactly is "unsporting" about it or how come they're "poachers" or "rednecks" just due to their rifle choice; and as far as ARs not being usable on anything bigger than yotes, it seems to depend on what it's chambered in how useful many people have found .458 SOCOM or .50 Beowulf to be on pigs, deer, elk, and bear.

[hybrid tree]

I’d say they’re just as unsportsmanlike as any semi auto rifle. Unless you’re hunting a nuisance species like coyotes or hogs, one shot; dare I say even two should be what is strived for and expected.

ARs are not anymore accurate than a half decent rifle of the same price or even slightly less. ARs and semi auto rifles do only ONE thing more efficient than a bolt action, and that’s sending numerous shots down range in quick succession.

[willow matrix]

Ar 15s can be very accurate, reliable, powerful, and are able to get quick follow up shots. Like i said I don't want any more in the game but just because a rifle is semi automatic does not mean it's unsportsmanlike

[hybrid tree]

I never said ARs aren’t usable on anything bigger than a coyote.

I’m also not going to argue about this because it’s like religions, I don’t see anything constructive coming from it. But I will say, this is according to the numerous if not the majority of regular hunters, including prominent names in the hunting world.

[willow matrix]

And regarding the statement of 1 or 2 shots at most should be required(hard agree btw), why don't we only use single shot rifles then? Bolt action rifles can have mags up to 5 rounds for hunting I'm the USA. What if animal turns when you shoot and it isn't your fault and you only hit stomach or intestines, I would want to get a follow up shot as soon as possible to kill the animal as fast as possible. I would argue that semi auto can be (in some situations) more ethical than bolt action.

[hybrid tree]

Oh I know. And like I said, bolt actions can do all that minus one, which in my opinion is highly unsportsmanlike. Hunting is about the experience and being in touch with nature, not filling tags as quickly as possible.

[willow matrix]

You can still be in touch with nature with a semi automatic rifle just as much as bolt guns/lever guns and single loaders. Just because you don't manually work the bolt does not mean you are unsportsmanlike. I don't see how it is more unsportsmanlike than a revolving shotgun as both can be shot as fast as you can pull the trigger and both have 5 rounds legally

[hybrid tree]

That’s a fair point, but we seldom take the uncommon and minute example of something and use it to support the broad argument.

Not that I’m poking fun, but if you said something like that at the range, people would think you’re making excuses or that you’re inexperienced.

[hybrid tree]

The unsportsmanlike conduct lies in its overall capability. It out passes the common bolt action in one thing, like I said. And that one thing is widely accepted as not being necessary. In fact, many states limit how many round are in your magazine even with a bolt.

[willow matrix]

I personally feel I am neutral on the subject as I would never use one/don't need one but can also see how they can be used the same way as any other rifles. I am not trying to say that they are better at all. Just trying to say this incase someone gets the wrong idea

[willow matrix]

Very fair point! It is kind of like the leap from using muzzle loading rifle to cartridge firing guns where a bunch of people loved them and thought they were amazing and the other side was saying that they made it too easy.

Not as big of a leap in this case but more like a jump I suppose haha

[hybrid tree]

No, I understand. The biggest thing for most people in this argument is the dogma within the hunting community. I don’t subscribe to that ideology, times change I get that.

At face value, I judge those who hunt with Semi autos and ARs, but if one of them showed me they only loaded two or three rounds, I’d accept that as being fair and sportsmanlike.

[willow matrix]

I agree 5 rounds is a bit overkill for deer or elk hunting, but obviously for boar and coyote is imo a fair amount of ammo in a magazine

[west kettle]

Speaking of .458 SOCOM.

[hybrid tree]

If it’s boars, you could use a M134 and some dynamite for all I care.

[uncut light]

to play devil's advocate, what about the tube-fed lever actions that often hold 5 or 6 rounds of .30-30 or .45-70, assuming a loaded chamber?

[willow matrix]

I've seen that guy who uses a m134d and a desert eagle and just goes crazy one hogs, stuff is crazy

[hybrid tree]

I’d say they still don’t have the same capability, but if your going John Wayne on a white tale out in the woods, I think you’re just as bad. Nay, I think you’re worse lol

[uncut light]

Agreed; I've had family members whose accuracy was/is.... well let's just say there's at least one person I'm related to who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat

[shell yacht]

I'm changing my mind. They can add more ARs for all I care. Preferably bolt actions first though

[hybrid tree]

They’re also Straight-wall, which I find severely hinders their capability in comparison. But it’s also what I think makes them more sportsmanlike.

[uncut light]

Well .30-30 is slightly tapered but it performs like a straight-walled cartridge due to how thin the case walls are; somewhat agreed (especially on the sportsmanship), although i would argue that most hunters never shoot beyond 250 yards (at a stretch) in their lives, so anything with reasonable performance at 200 and closer usually works just fine

[hybrid tree]

I’m more of a spiritualistic kinda guy. They have an old soul to them, which is why I like the idea of them so much. I’d hunt with nothing but a .30-30 and a recurve bow if hunting was my full time gig.

[uncut light]

The appeal of the older cartridges is why I recently got a .30-30 as the first rifle that I bought for myself

[shell yacht]

So you aren't interested in shooting at range?

[uncut light]

yesn't; eventually I will but up close is more appealing at the moment; plus I have been entrusted with my uncle's .416 Weatherby Magnum so I do have the ability to take large game out to 500 yards

[shell yacht]

Yesn't? Lol

[uncut light]

yup, yesn't 😂

[broken meteor]

I'll never disagree about becoming one with nature and embracing experiences only found in the Bush, however I disagree about just filling tags. Some of us live on Game, over grocery meats. If our freezer is low I'm filling it to feed my family with every season, that includes fish. Raccoons are also fair game provided you prep them properly.

[broken meteor]

I also stand by what I said before about Armalites (AR)'s. It makes no difference whether its a Blowdart, Sling, PcP, Spear, Bow, Pistol, Muzzleloader, Shotgun, or Rifle: Single, bolt, or semi-auto. A weapon is and always will be a hunters tool to end an animal's life to support your own. Hunting isn't and has never been a sport, its a means to survive and it should be respected regardless of the method or weapon used so long as it executes an ethical kill and follows local regulations.

[hearty sedge]

It can be a sport and a means of survival. The sporting people can have tighter rules for competition than what is legally allowed. What is legally allowed can be more restrictive than what is naturally moral/ethical.

[broken meteor]

My point on the matter is we have existing shooting Sports/Competition. Treating life as a game or sport isn't moral in the slightest as a true game hunter. Unless your using the term Sport figuratively by defn. as a challenge. With this conclusion, I would concur to the reference. In no way am I saying hunting isn't fun, but to most the word Sport refers to entertainment. Hunting/Fishing isn't Football or Soccer for amusement which is why I'm discontent calling Hunting a Sport bc your taking life. Now as mentioned before that Armalite's (AR) are considered Un-sportsman like is irrelevant. All hunters have the right to choose their weapon or tool to ethically take game within "local legal regulations & season" regardless of public opinion. I'd rather have a hunter use a weapon that they are comfortable with and fits them safely regardless of the platform. So no I'm not against more Armalites being added however I'd prefer to see more bolt upper variants over more semi-auto models. We already have 4 of the most common calibers used today. It'd be a nice change to see a .300 legend or the .300blk in an Armalite Bolt Upper variant.

[shell yacht]

As stated on stream, the devs believe we have enough ARs currently which seems to be why there were no option to vote for any in the polls

[broken meteor]

Oh I dont disagree, we have the top 4 atm. The 300blk and 450bush were both created to be used in an Armalite Platform originally & it is refreshing they are not. All I stated is if they do release more in the near future, I'd rather see bolt variant Armalites because most ppl dont know they exist. Kinda like the bolt action shotgun.

[brisk lake]

The only ARs we may need but we really don’t is 6.8spc and 450 bushmaster

[lofty siren]

I really do like hunting with AR's and I don't care if some expert hunter comes after me saying they are realistic cause I don't care if you think they are not realistic. But I think we have enough AR's maybe 1 more but other then that I don't think more AR's should be at the top of the list for things to add.

[broken meteor]

6.8 Grendal is a good choice

[broken meteor]

I dont disagree I'm only suggesting if we do eventually a bolt upper variant/model would be a good choice over another semi-auto. I would also suggest we need more single fire breach & break weapons as well maybe a pump rifle as well just to add more diversity.

[hearty sedge]

None of the 6.X calibers for AR-15s would do anything different than the existing ARs except change your class range. They’re all 2/3-5/6 class cartridges and weaker than the existing equivalent bolt action rifles.

[broken meteor]

I'm fine with that, I'd like to see more 2-4's anyway since the 375 should cover T: 7-9 and the 450 5-7 at least

22-250 is perfect but I'd like to see the small to mid game get more options over more mid to large game

the 375 was defn. needed for large game so I'll never argue that

[uncut light]

personally I hope .450 can be made a 3-7 or even 3-8 rifle as like a mirror to the Moradi or the Solokhin

[broken meteor]

all comes down to the ammo they choose so we'll have to wait & see

[uncut light]

true; fingers crossed for 3-8; would be nice to have a versailt bolt action that can act as a middle between the Solokhin and the Moradi for mid-range hunting

[inner hull]

I would never hunt IRL, so from a pure gamer POV I love the ARs. They're fun to hunt with especially if you're not fast enough with a mouse and keyboard. Since the last weapon pack had ARs, the new one should not, but I don't think they should stop being added to the game. Give options for people to hunt with.

[shell yacht]

Prob getting traditional rifles for a while. ARs maybe later, not fussed either way tbh

[broken meteor]

I get that👍 I'll make use of any content regardless though if were talking traditional, break/breach actions should be next if not a lever action pack🤔