Polymer Tipped ammo for Lever Action Rifles

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Lever action rifles have been part of America's hunting culture since the late 1830's. I'd say more black bears and whitetail deer have been taken with a .30-30 than any other cartridge could claim. The .45-70 one of the cartridges used to very nearly drive the plains bison to extinction. Even today both of these cartridges have dedicated followers. In the eastern US you'd be hard pressed to find a hunting camp that doesn't have at least 2 or 3 old .30-30's still putting meat on the table.

Out west the .45-70 has made a name for itself as a time honored bear defense round and in Maine it has a cult following among moose and black bear hunters. It's one of the most common hunting calibers in Alaska for moose and grizzly bears, even on Kodiak island where the brown bears have been recorded at 1200 pounds.

*Despite their proven effectiveness * they are among the weakest and least used weapons in the game. They were in the game when it first released, but they aren't even worth carrying most of the time these days. The Moradi effectively replaced them and they are restricted to one single scope.

The Coachmate has a flat top receiver, which means it is fully capable of mounting any of the rifle scopes or red dot sights available. The Whitlock could easily mount scopes and red dots over the barrel, effectively covering the rear sight with a rail to mount optics.

The vast majority of hunters using a .30-30 will take game weighing between 100 pounds (young whitetail deer) up to 500 pounds (average black bear in the eastern US) so it's much better suited to 3-7 class coverage. The average hunter using a .45-70 is typically hunting game between 500 and one thousand pounds (moose)

I'd also suggest a modernized .30-30 Lever action, the 7mm Regent has the Empress, the .270 Huntsman has the Warden and the Stradivarious. My suggestion is a .30-30 Explorer. It comes as standard with stainless steel and a laminate stock, essentially the big brother of the Moradi.

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The .45-70 changes from the jernberg pistol did not apply to the rifle. That needs to be fixed.

The maximum zero distance of the .30-30 needs to be changed to 210 meters, it's a rifle cartridge with much more velocity that the .44 magnum so it should reach farther.

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If you want a modernized .30-30 lever action, might I suggest the Henry Big Boy X?

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Absolutely not, I'm sick of the tacticool crap and grinding mentality this game has

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Beautiful lever action. 😯

Really nice work on this! Thanks Huxley! 🤠

🌳🐗 🌳 🦌 🌳 🦬 🌳 🏕️

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Where’s the buffalo bore!

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I don’t think E.W. has yet discovered this very untapped type of cartridge, but if they do, make damn sure the test models can handle the high pressure conditions that Buffalo Bore cartridges can produce.

Ie. The newer models like the Henry Big-Boy X could suffer catastrophic failure utilizing cartridges like this, stay safe when dealing outside of “SAMMI,” approved ranges. 🦺

Always contact your firearm manufacturer to ensure safety, they know what’s what given proper data.

They’ve everything from PCC’s to Safari calibers, and no hunting games have jumped on this!

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I went to order some yesterday and they now offer standard pressure rounds for most calibers. Interesting stuff

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It would be funny if E.W. adopts/changes it to: “BANTENG BORE CARTRIDGES, [ Heart-condition disclaimer. ]” 😆

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I just wish they had more than 2 types of ammo

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Hope this helps, .44’s.

.357 Hardcasts..

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Our .44 is fine,it's just the older rifles that have been suffering

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OK,. 45 colt would be a very welcome addition to the lever action line up

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Just bought 3 boxes of this lmao

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I like the FTX too.

[half mesa]

Henry 1866

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#1262968688647208990 I went with a Winchester 73

[half mesa]

Also a great choice 👍

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#1262965888156438591 and a 1886/71

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Bump, lever actions for all

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[rustic plinth]

Bump. These rifles should be made viable af, capable of actually making effective kills

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The lever actions in cotw leave a lot to be desired. They are a huge part of America's hunting culture and need to be updated to a more realistic and viable option. Neither the .30-30 or .45-70 are working half as well as they should.

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Like @visual bolt said, this buffalo bore ammo could make a huge difference in how the lever guns perform and what animals they can take

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Bump, lever guns need love

[burnt meadow]

Totally support this idea 👍

[idle citrus]

This would be great. Could even extend the range. But maybe the second version of the gun can be henry’s wildlife version that has animal engravings. I believe their 30-30 has deer and their 45/70 had a bear and moose

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Anything would be an improvement

And 200yds max zero would be totally fine for both lever actions

[idle citrus]

I 100% agree. Although ive made shots (on targets, not animals) with my .32spcl (very similar to the 30-30) out to 265 yards and it have plenty of accuracy and power left. But for the game i think 200ish would be a good middleground

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I killed a decent whitetail from 250 with my .30-30, I know the cartridge well and it's miles better than how they made it

[idle citrus]

Love the 30-30 and 32. Both are great. Theres a reason people have used them for things like moose and elk irl. They work

[rustic plinth]

Yeah simply having the lever guns be much more effective would be great

Like, the 45-70 should be readily capable of killing a bison

[half mesa]

This game treats it like it's some anemic pushover.

Last i checked, 170gr round nosed softpoints moving at 2100fps and carrying 1850ft-lbs is pretty strong. It was good enough for elk, bear, and moose for about 60 years before .308 and .30-06 became seriously popular in more modern bolt actions, so I just fail to see how come it's so weak in-game (you need a heart shot to get good QK on a lot of things).

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Can't explain how cotw got it so wrong but way of the hunter used managed recoil ammo for some stupid reason

[half mesa]

COTW may have butchered its ballistics but using managed recoil ammunition is just foul.

Those are for range day not hunting large game!

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It's also totally pointless, the average 30-30 has like 6 pounds of recoil anyway

[half mesa]

And the only way it's gonna get notably higher than that is if you do full house reloads and risk blowing your gun up.

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I'm excited for the ammo change update in woth, nosler partition bullets are coming to play

[half mesa]

Might have to buy WOTH and try it at some point if the cartridges are actually being done justice.

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They're adding 2 ammo types to almost every caliber in the game

[idle citrus]

We could use multiple tyoes of rounds. Also why is there fmj? Thats illegal irl in most places to hunt with. But its in the game. So might as well add it to the rest of the guns i guess but we can have soft point, round nose, polymer/ballistic tip/ long range specific type like a sierra match king, we can have hollowpoint for all rounds really, solid brass or copper bullets exist, even hard cast lead for a lot of the larger bore rifles and handguns, even seen some 308 and 30-06 220 grain hard cast rounds

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So, Way of the Hunter is getting Nosler Partition ammo for their .30-30 and if you didn't know that particular bullet has a reputation for massive penetration and controlled expansion (the perfect hunting bullet) and it'll make their .30-30 at least 3x more effective.

Where's our third ammo type EW?

[idle citrus]

Blanks. Thats our next type of ammo. 🙄

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Oh they mix those in every now and then, have you not had that "bUg"

[idle citrus]

Only had it happen with the .45 revolver. My screen also flips to the side when i shoot it

And if im crouched i cant shoot any gun and hit something. The sounds doesnt even register. But when i stand uo and make the same shot then i claim the animal it sometimes shows the previous bullet as a “vital hit” but the direction of travel arrow is shown like 5 feet away and it takes 0% damage from it but leave a blood splatter so idk

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People asking fmfor suppressors and NV scopes when the game doesn't even work

[rugged epoch]

The .338 Bolt Action had those for the longest time!

[idle citrus]

I havent had issues with the bolt action 338. What never worked for me was the single shot 7mm and 338. Literally could be point blank from a wolf and fire center mass and it wouldnt do anything. They work for me now though. Its mostly just the 45cal revolvers that are giving me issues

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Either way, we better better ammo and more choices

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So,Way of the Hunter's new ammo update is out. Spoiler, soft point, hollow point, and managed recoil.

Fantastic. Way more penetration against even the tougher tier 5 animals like black bear and wild boar, it'll handle everything it should withno issues. CotW devs got some catching up to do.

[half mesa]

This now makes WOTH much more worth it to me, might buy it soon just for this lol

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All he ammo update has been awesome, the new ammo types are basically what we have in cotw but better

The .30-06 and 9.3 got improved ammo too and it makes massive difference

Is it just me or is that more penetration than the 7mm in cotw?

Update: I'm apparently stupid, that's not even the new ammo lol

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Feel like the range isn’t great enough for the 30-30 or 45-70. Scopes are horrible too, why can’t they just use the same as all the others like the .44 mag?

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[ Disclaimer. ] - Just speculating here, but I’d imagine a lot of early things in this game are a bit tedious and time consuming to tweak if the original code author is not perhaps available.

[idle citrus]

For the 30-30 maybe just change the scope reticle or add another scope for it. The 45-70 is a flattop though so it coukd have a pic rail to add a scope in theory like a lot of the guns already. But also the scope they have is a 4-8x. I dont reallt see a need for something like the argus on them though

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Considering how long we have to wait between updates they could could pull it from the game altogether and recode it using the original appearance. They could rework all ot it and the only major change to the model would be a rail over the barrel to mount all the scopes and red dot sights.

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I’d be happy with that! 😆

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They could do the same with the .45-70 and add a rail to the flat top receiver for scopes and red dots. Make it compatible with the ammo change and better than the pistol because longer barrels are better

Both rifles should have a 250 zero, there's a dude in my local rifle club with a 6-18x50mm scope on his .30-30 and he's zeroed at 500

[idle citrus]

This is why we need better ammo. Lung shot at a reasonable distance. But how far the tracking distance is. Bleed rate very low but initial blood splatter is very high. Still did the job though.

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Way of the Hunter's ammo update isn't perfect, but it'd miles ahead of what we have

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Somebody at my gun club offered me 1200.00 US for my .30-30. . .

These rifles could be so much better

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[fair silo]

Great idea. I'd also like to see the addition of box magazine lever actions like the Browning BLR. Get the beauty of a lever gun with the range and flatter trajectory of more modern calibers.

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I use the Lever Actions just fine. I have a Loadout with just Lever actions (Whitlock, Moradi, Coachmate and Miller) that I use quite often and don't really have any issues as long as I use the Penetration ammos. I prefer the Expansion ammo for most weapons because I enjoy the tracking but for the levers they seem to barely bring them down. It's unfortunate, but the Penetration ammo seems to be just fine for me; rarely is it double lung unless I'm within 100m (82 yds.) but like I said I don't mind the tracking at all. I don't need to get something down quick so I can grab it and keep going like it's a speedrun. But if they did make some adjustments and/or improvements it would be nice. Especially since not everyone (probably barely anyone) is like me when it comes to tracking.

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It's not the blood trailing that bothers me. It's the kneecapped range, the wrong classes entirely, and how restricted the rifles are

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I grew up up using a 30-30 for whitetail, got my first spike at age 12. It used round soft-tips. How do they deal with the tube-magazine problem with polymer-tips?

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The polymer tips are made of a flexible material, serves exactly the same purpose as the typical hard polymer used in spitzer type bullets but safe in a tubular magazine.

Honestly adds a measure of safety cause it acts as bumper between rounds in high recoil rifles.

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Bump. I think the 45-70 should be able to reliably kill animals like bison and grizzlies like irl

[brazen pelican]

I shot a 45-70 once, and it was monstrous! Kicked harder than a 30-06, for sure.

[idle citrus]

Been able to take bison with the 30-30 in game. Surprisingly grizzlies seem harder to do that with the 30-30 but its capable if you’re under 70 yards from what ive tested

[rustic plinth]

How long did they run?

[idle citrus]

Bison average about 50-75 yards with both hollowpoint and soft point ammo for tracking distance, grizzly generally go bewteen 100 and 300 yards after shot with soft point. Hollowpoint ammo can only get single lung if under 25 yards from what ive seen so far

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.45-70 and .375 have about the same amount of recoil in guns of the same weight. Just an interesting fact

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They do work, but performance is so abysmal there's no reason to use them. Everything has more reach and ammo capacity and not even the Moradi is restricted to a single scope. For people who use and love these guns IRL the way they are presented in this game is insulting.

I understand they may not be able to alter the original code for whatever reason, but they could very easily delete that code and start over.

Fact is, I'd happily PAY to have the lever guns fully reworked

[idle citrus]

Im not worried about how long it takes to track something as long as i get a vital hit. But they should drop larger game faster

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Again, that it not the problem with the rifles

[idle citrus]

Im aware, you want range. Ive been in this thread for a while

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[half mesa]

Agreed, having played Classic recently all the lever guns are SO much better

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Cuz they were designed to work right

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[marsh scarab]

Literally the only lever action in game that I use is the .44, the others just feel underwhelming. ESPECIALLY the 45-70.