300 blackout why we don’t want it

[static narwhal]

Are these really the kind of bullets we want when the energy of the rounds is so low? If you want something similar but better you might as well switch that to the good old 450 bushmaster. That or be smart with your vote and go for the 375 h&h for upcoming big game hunt and even dangerous game hunts.

[old swallow]

Mhm

[grave mountain]

That’s almost on par with high grain .17HMR irc, haven’t looked at the numbers on .17HMR in awhile, could be wrong, and at that point, I’d rather a .17HMR, way better looking rifles than .300BLK

[sacred anvil]

I’m not trying to devalue the 300 ACC, it’s a viable hunting cartridge but to include it among a caliber like the .375 H&H..

One is a very niche caliber and the other is just a giant in the global hunting community. 😑

[static narwhal]

I’d rather have 375 than 300 and I’m not including it, it’s in the polls and it’s a better option than 300 by far

[grave mountain]

Both are massive in the hunting community but for wildly different reasons.

[uncut terrace]

You are looking at ballistics charts for subsonic ammunition, which are usually terrible hunting rounds. Pull up one for 125 gr.

[grave mountain]

Still drops like a boulder🤷‍♂️

[uncut terrace]

Its almost the exact same as 30-30, 7.6 at 200 yds for 125 gr projectiles.

[sacred anvil]

I’ve a 17HMR Henry lever action for affordable practice at the range, it’s so much fun!

[grave mountain]

Then what’s the point? .300BLK’s whole thing is suppressors and subsonics.

Poor hunting round, .308 is readily available and does the job far better. It’ll become a gimmick forgotten after a month because of its shi, te performance past 200yrds.

[uncut terrace]

The point is its a modern versatile round. Its affordable compared to other deer hunting ammo. You can hunt anything from coyotes to big boars/deer with it. And it can be used for its original purpose (irl) which is as a self defense/combat cartridge.

[grave mountain]

Far from affordable😂😂😂 not to mention the set up is 3x more expensive than almost any .308 I’ve ever came in contact with, if you want price and quality look into tikkas for bolt actions or Rugers for AR’s, far better than .300BLK.

[uncut terrace]

You're comparing ARs to bolt guns. .308 ARs are just as (usually more) expensive than .300 blk ones.

[grave mountain]

Read.

[fickle lily]

A lot of calibers can do everything from coyotes to deer and wild pigs

[grave mountain]

Definitely not, .300BLK ammo is like 2X more expensive, .308 does the job better.

[uncut terrace]

2x more expensive than what? Definitely not .308. .308 kills deer better but I wouldn't use it on coyote.

[grave mountain]

.308 Winchester, you know… what was mentioned. A pebble would kill better than .300BLK.

[sacred anvil]

300 ACC BLK is simply a necked-down 30-06 cartridge. 🤷‍♂️

Doesn’t compare to the H&H in the attraction department.

[uncut terrace]

.308 (hunting ammo) runs usually over 1.20 a round and .300 blk (hunting ammo aswell) is usually a little over half of that.

[wind plaza]

Keep in mind, the .300 in the name only refers to the diameter of the bullet. It has nothing to do with actual knockdown power

[rigid light]

Also ballistics aside do we really need another AR?

[uncut terrace]

Personally I would prefer that ARs not be balanced like they are but since we already have them like they are, then yeah.

[crisp saffron]

I would have liked to see the poll just as people here normally, most of the new people were the ones who chose .300 BLK, if they didn’t post it on YouTube, how much different would it be?

[wind plaza]

The only reason. I bought the first AR pack was because I wanted a .308, if I knew they'd add abolt action as soon as they did I wouldn't have bought it at all

[grave mountain]

.450 Bushmaster would preferably be the last one, but yes, we definitely don’t need a useless caliber (and not even the fun kind) like .300BLK, to the 2,000+ people that want it… go play COD.

[rigid light]

Yeah I just want some more fun weapons or bolt actions

[crisp saffron]

I mainly think they chose.300 blk because they don’t know any others

[grave mountain]

Agreed.

[wind plaza]

There was someone in general who just said he voted for it because it sounded cool

[uncut terrace]

I'd only want .300 blk over the other calibers if its done right.

[rigid light]

I don’t want it at all

[crisp saffron]

If they do add it, make it drop like a rock past 200 like real life

[grave mountain]

I wouldn’t mind if they took some creative liberties and put it in a lever action, heavily based on .450 Marlin, as I mentioned in https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1257820656557363322

[wind plaza]

I'd bet most of the people who voted for the .300 blackout won't even be playing when they add it

[crisp saffron]

I have a feeling most 300 blk votes was from kids who use it and only it IRL, they don’t have the attention span to sneak up on animals and make good shots, I will say I am also a kid, but the ballistics are absolute garbage

[sacred anvil]

I wouldn’t entertain 300 ACC BLK when other hunting calibers are still not in like say, 7mm-08 Remington.

[crisp saffron]

7mm-08 would be ok I would think

[wind plaza]

They probably don't hunt eith

[uncut terrace]

Kind of dumb to say that votes from .300 blk came from kids just because you don't like .300 blk. You don't really have any other reasoning to say that.

[rigid light]

Better than 300 blk, 7mm-08 is my fav hunting caliber irl

[crisp saffron]

They just know “eheh AR go pow pow, that’s the gun from cod”

[wind plaza]

Would be happy with a 7mm-08, it's a nice little cartridge

[grave mountain]

Call of Duty kids… woo hooo!

[uncut terrace]

.300 blackout is also a more known cartridge due to its recent surge in hype. In other games and from the hunting space

[grave mountain]

From… Call of Duty!

[knotty kestrel]

A good portion of this community just likes hunting with ARs, even if I find it stupid, people are gonna always pick the AR

[wind plaza]

They shouldn't have thrown up the calibers without showing the classes they'd cover.
People have no idea what they are actually voting for unless they have real hunting/shooting experience and most players don't

[crisp saffron]

IMO, they don’t need to add any new calibers rn, and need to rework the existing calibers

[fluid pine]

the Call of the Wild community has had a weird fascination with the .300 for a long time and the devs should have known it would be the #1 voted. The poll shouldn't have had it as an option and instead been for "a weapon pack with a new weaker .300 and two community picks" and just had it automatically included.

I don't ever use the current .300's just because they're so loved and I don't feel like following the crowd. But that said, if the Blackout is a 2-6 or 3-7 I would at least have it in a loudout or two just because we don't have any variety in those ranges.

[uncut terrace]

And fix the traditional bows.

[knotty kestrel]

The traditional arrows need some love, the 350(?) grain arrows shouldn't be ethical for class 3

[uncut terrace]

And the fact that they are all bugged rn. If you aim again too quickly camera bugs out.

[sacred anvil]

Remmington 7600 (pump action) in 257 Robert’s would’ve been neater.

[wind plaza]

The biggest problem is that they are all niche cartridges aside from the .375.

The legend cartridges only exist because gun makers wanted to cash in on straight wall states with stupid regulations

[crisp saffron]

YES, or in 6mm or .270

[grave mountain]

.350 Legend would make a nice 3-7 though.

[knotty kestrel]

Imo the game just doesn't need any more ARs. To me using an AR just feels like easy mode and from what everyone is saying, a .300 blk wouldn't be all that special

[wind plaza]

I seriously doubt that

I use a .30-30 on black bears every year and the .350 is more like a .243 with less recoil

[knotty kestrel]

.375 would be awesome, another big game gun. I love my .300 bolt action but sometimes I wanna use something else

[uncut terrace]

I hate they changed black bears to class 7, like they are not that big of an animal.

[grave mountain]

Better than .300BLK lol

[wind plaza]

The class system is so broken and they just keep adding to it instead of fixing it

[uncut terrace]

this dude

[fluid pine]

What gets me is they say things are for game balance, but game balance would be not making everything 4-8 and actually having more variety and performance for classes 2 and 3.

IRL if you're in the woods on the side of a mountain and a black bear is coming at you, the Davani 10mm is probably what 95% of hunters would have on them and it would be an ethical kill. So 2-7 makes perfect sense but it's 2-6 "for balance".

[uncut terrace]

Exactly, but then they add a bunch of "pay to win" ARs like the .300 mag which is coincidentally 7-9.

[fluid pine]

When there's already a 2-5, a 2-6, 3-8 and a 4-9 handgun in the base game. So 2-7 makes sense

[sacred anvil]

I think we can all agree that the cartridges IRL are way more versatile, allowing for more class diversity.

But because cartridges are not endorsed as such, they’ve kind of pigeon-holed themselves into a bit of a quagmire of balancing issues.

[grave mountain]

With how some of these people are making .300BLK sound… might as well add it to the list of pay to win rifles (even though it’s pay a couple thousand dollars to sling a pebble).

[uncut terrace]

30-30 Ballistics chart, .300 blk has 100 ft lbs more energy at a slightly heavier grainage and faster velocity.

[grave mountain]

I have something for you… a slingshot… for all your pebble slinging needs!

[hazy portal]

Okay….but if squirrels are added

[uncut terrace]

Ayo is just a .300 blk hater. Doesn't hold 30-30 to the same light and can't fathom not shooting subs when using .300 blk.

[grave mountain]

Maybe because I expect that out of .30-30😂 and dont from a modern caliber. Brody is just a .300BLK fanboy.

[sacred anvil]

In game the 30-30 hurts my eyes when I see the penetration. It could be so much better.

And now, you’re saying this new rifle could be on par with a 30-30, i’m just not excited I guess.

Especially when I could be wielding an H&H instead.

[cold dirge]

welcome to 90% of "discussions" about good vs bad rounds. the value you place on the pros and cons of a round are different than someone elses

also .300 blk is a 5.56 that went to the gym like 12 times, it can still do the job for deer, pigs and coyotes

[grave mountain]

.30-30 has killed more deer and black bear combined than wounded animals shot by .300BLK.

[uncut terrace]

.30-30 has been around since everybodys great grandpa. Doesn't mean its a better caliber than .300BLK.

[wintry silo]

'Pay to win' do you haters hear yourselves? Oh no it's semi-auto its cheating!

[cold dirge]

having a quick follow up shot is nice, needing it is sloppy

[grave mountain]

Ok, you sit over there with your underpowered, watered down .223🤷‍♂️ Just know Buffalo Bore exists.

[wintry silo]

And? No seriously. And?

[wind plaza]

In Subsonic

Compare them unsupervised and you'll see a big difference. We don't need suppressors and more ar rounds

[sacred anvil]

I was so excited to vote, but once I did I saw the results..

[knotty kestrel]

Gotta agree with this lol. I did not expect such a big arguement to rise from this vote but I understand it

[cold dirge]

I mean exactly what i said, stuff happens and sometimes you need that second or third shot now, but if you always need it you might be better off hitting the range a few times before going back out.

theres no shame in using a semi, but needing one is not great

[wind plaza]

Lemme point this out. Way of the hunter just added a .375. We've been begging for a .375 since vurhonga
They do a poll.
.300blackout wins because of grinders and people who won't even remember this game exists in 6 months

Where does that leave people who have been playing and supporting the game for years?

[uncut terrace]

.300 blk only does ever so slightly worse in supersonics but with better bc and does better in all possible loading combined. 30-30 hits its sweet spot at 150 gr and .300 at 125gr.

[knotty kestrel]

A .375 H&H is iconic and would add more variety to big game hunts. A .300blk is...an AR, so people want that instead

[uncut terrace]

Also there will be more rounds of voting, those who want .375 will likely get it in the runoffs.

[wind plaza]

I use 170grain and it's dropped bears at 200+

[uncut terrace]

Nice, I'm sure .300 blk could do the same but I would use a slightly lower grain.

[knotty kestrel]

This is true actually, didn't even think about it. Weapon packs are usually 3 weapons, so we'll likely end up with the .300blk, the .450, and the .375 (based on the current votes)

[cold dirge]

.17 hmr though

[wind plaza]

I highly don't that but go right ahead and try

[uncut terrace]

I wouldn't mind having a .17 hmr, its a cool caliber but there isn't squirrel so wouldn't be as fun to use.

[wind plaza]

Great, one weapon I'll use a lot, one I'll take out once in a while and one to just clutter the inventory

[rigid light]

I think 17 is cool but something I wouldn’t want to have without squirrels

[knotty kestrel]

Ehhhh...could be worse? I'm trying to be hopeful about it

[sacred anvil]

Another excellent solution, also by Huxley Hound is this: https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1250061263019573339

This could have totally prevented issues like this. Just pick the caliber you want. 🤷‍♂️

New rifle, np, pick the caliber you’d prefer.

[knotty kestrel]

I'd def use the .375 and maybe the .450 but I'm not too knowledgeable on guns so I'm not sure what the .450 would cover

[rigid light]

Absolutely

[wintry silo]

That I agree with. .300 should be in the game, but it doesn't need to be this update.

EW should Nix .300 from this poll and/or throw it in as an auto-include as suggested before.

[knotty kestrel]

Like the hudzick muzzleloader? You can swap between two ammo types that cover slightly different classes

[cold dirge]

i think they mean you buy a gun and then you can pick if its .308 or .243 ect

[wind plaza]

No, more like. You choose the base game weapon then the caliber

[hazy portal]

To give some perspective

[sacred anvil]

Yea, but with barrels perhaps.

Say for instance you like lever actions, you get everything from .243 to calibers that touch class 9.

[knotty kestrel]

Ohhh,that makes more sense!

[rigid light]

I swear to god if they add 450 bushmaster as an AR

[uncut terrace]

Probably would just to see the cash flow even though in game you probably won't be able to tell the difference much between it and the .308 except for drop and range.

[cold dirge]

i support this on the condition that if you pick a pointed round for a gun with a tube mag it blows up if youre to rough with it

[rigid light]

The criminal lack of bolt or pump action rifles added recently is sad

[sacred anvil]

Could even include smaller calibers like .22 and such

[wind plaza]

.454 Moradi instead. 44

[sacred anvil]

Even that’s changing with the polymer tipped rounds these days. Hell I hunt with a .270 lever action.

[uncut terrace]

Would be nice, easy way to give us .357 and 44-40 lever guns

[sacred anvil]

Just think of some of the most beautiful weapons they have in the game and the ability to just choose the cartridge for it.

[cold dirge]

nice, which one? i miss having a .270

[sacred anvil]

Mine’s a Browning BLR .270 Win.

[wind plaza]

I'd seriously hate it if they added a pack that includes the. 375 and .300 blackout.

I don't want to pay 4 bucks for one rifle I'll actually use and two that just clutter the inventory

[uncut terrace]

It only adds it to the inventory if you hit "buy" (or purchase or something like that) in the store section.

[wind plaza]

I still don't wanna pay five bucks for one gun

[uncut terrace]

I don’t think we should have to pay any money for new guns, we already pay for maps.

[sacred anvil]

Are you content with the new rifle from the new map?

[uncut terrace]

Probably should’ve been class 9 as well but other than that it fits the map.

[sacred anvil]

The way I see it is, if you’d still appreciate a new caliber AND weapon perhaps paying the artists/designers and developers would be necessary until the next map and weapon is completed/available.

Time to sell some lemonade and make some dough.

I had to wash and wax cars to get that first GameBoy, that thing was $79.99 and the only game that came with it was Tetris.

[wind plaza]

If they really do choose to add a .300blk this'll be the first dlc I'll ignore

[umbral stone]

I wouldn't be bothered by it as much as others but I most certainly will not pay 3.99 for one weapon that I like it has to be either 2 or 3 but not 1 otherwise it's just a waste of money

[uncut veldt]

Voting for .300BLK in a poll with those respective other weapons is just crazy. I'm convinced that poll was touched by tons of people who've never shot a firearm in their life. They just see every gun youtuber who just LOVE .300BLK and they go "yes"

[wind plaza]

If it has 2 calibers i like then I can pay for it without too much worry, if there's just one then I won't bother with it

[uncut veldt]

I hope they do 3. They always do 3.

[umbral stone]

I never voted for it I voted for 17HMR I've shot one once at an event pretty nice rifle I like 22lr a little more though

I think we need more Class 1-2 Weapons

[wind plaza]

There'll be 3 guns almost certainly, they always have three

I'm wondering if it's going to be part of the winter update

[uncut veldt]

Adding the .17 HMR is the perfect opportunity to add a 1-3 with some adjustments to the smaller calibers. A class range we currently don't have. .17 to 1-2, LR stays at 1, 22H can be 1-2, bring 22-250 down 1-3.

[umbral stone]

Do you think there will be a map in December?

[wind plaza]

No, but I'm hoping the community weapon pack is their excuse to change up the ballistics and class system

[umbral stone]

I think 22-250 is fine as is I guess it wouldn't be bad though especially with the whole conversation of no one shoots a turkey with a 22

[fiery falcon]

I voted for the 375 H&H, but I also want its bigger brother, the 416 Weatherby.

[wind plaza]

. 416 Rigby

[uncut veldt]

Yeah plus IRL I wouldn't be taking a 22-250 for anything class 4 represented in this game. Underpowered.

Then if it's 2-4 there's no reason to carry it over the .243 other than carry weight. I think it'll bring some use to it and kinda give it an identity of its own. Instead of being a "baby" .243 essentially.

[umbral stone]

From what I see it is not recommended for Deer so yeah although how far off is a 22-250 compared to a 223 or 243?

[wind plaza]

Same bullet diameter as a .223 actually, it just doesn't match the knockdown power of the.243

[uncut veldt]

22-250 travels slightly faster and has a little more impact. They're the same diameter it's just one gives a little more hit. Yes what @wind plaza said. Neither can match the .243 in stopping power so to make them both 2-4 just makes the kinda pointless IMO. (Minus the .223 AR for fox and raccoon grinds etc)

[umbral stone]

You two seem to know your ballistics quite well so I ask can you explain to me as much as you can what is ballistics and what are the different things from velocity to energy and that type of thing?

[wind plaza]

The .243 is essentially a .308 case with a smaller bullet. It's generally a stronger farming round with more effective range than .223. The only reason the .223 is so popular is because it's super cheap, the military uses it because soldiers can carry a lot of ammo for the weight but it's never been very good at stopping "problems"

[uncut veldt]

Facts. I'm a US Army veteran. 4 years 11B (Infantry Rifleman). I've shot a little 5.56 and .308 in my time so interest and knowledge in guns mostly from there. Always benefits you to make friends with your arms room NCO lol. The .223 round is light, capable of of 300 meters before "aim high hit low" becomes a thing. Its great. Very cheap comparable to other NATO approved ammunition. Just has a less compacted round than 5.56 which is what loses it out in terms of major use across the board.

[wind plaza]

Energy is what is usually called knockdown power, it's not the be all end all of how a rifle kills but it's a large part of it. Velocity is the speed of the bullet. Ballistics are . . .difficult to explain.

Unlike arows that rely on bleeding to kill effectively bullets are designed for hydrostatic shock, penetration is great but expansion plays as much a part in effectively killing an animal.

Part of the problem with the ballistics in CotW is they seem to separate them instead of letting them work together

[umbral stone]

I hear an awful lot about making friends with these types of people in the military whether it's a medic, cook or arms room NCO may I ask why that is necessary or not necessary but a good idea?

@wind plaza thanks I might have to do abit more research on that I imagine you can't really be a hunter at all without knowing ballistics

[uncut veldt]

So true brother. I love WOTH way they use impact. It's absolutely true that the shock will damage organs and arteries around the impact. There's a clear separation between the pen stat and the expansion, no synergy, and they completely ignore shock value and how exactly an animals mobility isn't affected when I put a rifle round through their leg bone. The system is basically non existent from a realistic point. Also making friends with people who are in service jobs can help you because they are in charge of your amenities. You don't want the worst part of the meal do you? Be cool with the cook. You wanna get your weapon serviced or approved for attachments without the hassle? Arms room NCO baby. He can vouch. It's not necessary but you can never have too many people on your side. Especially in military service.

[wind plaza]

More friends is always agood thing, particularly people who will help you avoid problems.

Idk where you live or what kind of deer you'd be hunting but let me tell you what my game warden told me when I started hunting.

For whitetail deer, the minimum recommended energy is 1,000 footpounds. Meaning you need to consider the ranges you're going to shoot at and choose a cartridge that has at least close to 1000ftlbs at the farthest distance you will be shooting.

Another thing to consider is the animal you are hunting and the bullet design you are using. Let's say WT deer, basically any soft point bullet 100 grains or heavier will do te job done well.

Match the bullet to the animal, not just the caliber. Thicker hides need stronger bullets and so on. No matter what you are hunting focus on choosing a bullet that will penetrate through the hide and bones, and expand in the vital organs.

If you see ammo with a bullet called Swift A frame or Scirroco then they'll be great for big deer and boars

[indigo cloak]

.350 Legend is a spicy .357 Magnum. No need to do weird cross caliber comparisons.

[indigo cloak]

Subsonic .30-30 is intentionally neutered.

[wind plaza]

Not arguing it. Thought I wanted one till I got yo try one, now I have 200 rounds of .350 that's wasting space in my locker

[umbral stone]

I am currently in Germany living here but I have plans to return to New Zealand once I'm 18-21yrs old in NZ there's Whitetail Deer, Sika Deer, Fallow Deer, Rusa Deer, Sambar Deer, Red Deer and Rocky Mountain Elk or Wapiti and there is also Chamois and Himalayan Tahr as well as Feral Pigs and Goats and even the unusual Feral Cattle and Sheep but I only plan on hunting Red Deer, Wapiti, Fallow Deer, Chamois, Tahr, Sika Deer and Whitetail Deer

[wind plaza]

Get a .30-06, .308 Winchester, .270 Winchester, or .303 in any rifle that feels good to you and you can hunt all of them

[umbral stone]

What's your opinion on .222 I have abit of experience with it and my father has well alot of experience with it as he uses/used it alot when he hunts/hunted and culled goats,Deer and pigs with it I even shot my first Alpine Chamois with it and I like it alot

Thanks for the info BTW

[wind plaza]

. 222 would be great for chamois, goats, and smaller deer but you'll really want at least a. 270 for elk and red deer

[umbral stone]

Well the reason I ask is because 22-250 would hardly be recommended for Red Deer right? But my father hunts Red Deer alot with a .222 and it does really well so I ask what's the difference between .222 and 22-250 I just wanted to add that he does do neck shots and stuff like that but he also does alot of body shots like the lungs and other vital organz you would target

[wind plaza]

Depends a lot on the bullet and shooting skill. If it's a rifle he's really familiar with then he knows exactly how it's going to hit when he takes aim, .22-250 would probably work if you used heavier bullets but it's normally loaded with bullets made for smaller animals like foxes and feral dogs/coyote sized animals

[wind plaza]

Just to reiterate, we don't need any more AR type weapons and we certainly don't need .300blackout

[hazy portal]

I would say 30-06 for elk. I have a 270 and it’s good for a lot of animals, but elk in my opinion are just a bit too tough for it.

[crisp saffron]

.222 is a great starter round, I killed my first deer with one and it’s amazing

[umbral stone]

I didn't shoot my first deer with a .222 it was a .270 for my first Red Deer but I think I used a 308 on my first deer which was a Fallow Deer but yeah I love the .222 such a fun caliber

[umbral stone]

I think North American Rocky Mountain Elk are larger than New Zealand Rocky Mountain Elk

[potent storm]

I agree. The 300 blk is great at what it was designed for - a suppressed round for 200 meters against bipedal targets. Yes it can be good on deer and hogs. Anything else? No not really.

[uncut veldt]

An 8.6 BLK for big BIG stuff. That's the only other AR I'd want.

[crisp saffron]

8.6 would be nice

[wind plaza]

Got a bad feeling the poll is totally pointless and the calibers are already set, they're just fishing for responses before they release it

[indigo cloak]

Yup

[wind plaza]

My response is

If there's an integrally suppressed rifle or a .300 blackout

I'll be deleting this game and waiting for Ultimat Hunting to release

[hollow perch]

300 Blackout Character and Clothing DLC

[fluid pine]

I think that's a little extreme, but I respect your decision.

Personally, I'm not on the .300 caliber bandwagon and never have been, as I've stated before. However, if it's in the 2-6 or 3-7 range I'll absolutely be using it just to change things up in my loadouts. Being stuck with only two 2-6 rifle options and essentially one 3-7 (two if you count the Hudzik, but I don't like to use it) all these years is driving me crazy so even if it's a .300 if it covers the ranges we're lacking variety in I'll be on board.

[wind plaza]

It's not a light decision on the spur of the moment. I've purchased every dlc except the dogs and I've been playing for 5 years.

Every update that comes through is just power creep and backhanded nerfs to older weapons. The class system we've been complaining about for years hasn't been changed in any meaningful way. Despite how much we've explained and proven the problems to the devs they've done nothing.

This poll was done with no thought as to people with no firearms experience blindly choosing the next gun. Aside from all that I asked Jaxy why the first part of the poll wasn't "what classes dou you want to see covered" and his answer was that it wasn't the way development worked.

The community weapon pack, does not start with the community's choice, it makes it feel like the pack is already being made and the community choice aspect is just a flimsy cover for it

[grave mountain]

If you want a 3-7 just vote .350 Legend (and pray that .30-30 gets the same treatment).

[fluid pine]

I voted the .17

[hollow perch]

Interesting read: 350 Legend - A Dismal Failure
https://www.grayssportingjournal.com/a-dismal-failure/

[tender sluice]

7mm-08 is a great little cartridge - pretty much everything based on the .308 parent case is.

However we already have the the .270 and the two are very ballistically similar.

If they do add the 7mm-08 (or 25/06 even) would be great for it to be a 3-7 class 300m weapon

Add a polymer round to the 7.62 x 39 then you have a .300 better 🙂

[hazy portal]

It’s weird… I haven’t seen that many people defend the 300 blackout

[tender sluice]

Yeah not even Chat GPT can come up with anything good to say I think.

[cold dirge]

there isnt much to defend. its nice that its a barrel swap away if you own anything AR like, its a bit better than 5.56 as long as you dont need to shoot more than 100 yards, and its quiet which can be nice or even useful sometimes.

but 90% of the time its just a bad 7.62x39 and youd be better of with that or a full sized rifle round.

ive used it for coyotes and pigs at about 25-75 yards and ill use it again, but thats mainly because i loan my sks' to the others im doing pest control with

[wind plaza]

I wish they'd buff the .270, I love it

[viscid gulch]

Think most people are picking it without knowing anything about it, it just has a cool name.

[sage linden]

I think your are partially right, but not to the level you are suggesting. I think it is just a matter of the devs looking at what was being asked for in the weapons survey, considered what the game needs (in terms of classes of animals vs classes of ammo), and came up with a short list based on both that represents what they are willing to make (vs., say, a 50 BMG). 300 Blackout might be a bad carriage IRL (I have no real opinion as I have never shot it), but it sounds like it might fill a 2-6 or 3-7 range, which is something the game needs. (No, I am not advocating for it either.)

[wind plaza]

I still think the first poll should have been "what classes need more variety?" Just throwing out caliber names when the vast majority of players have no experience with firearms is asking for trouble. I'd be willing to bet that most of the people who voted for the .300blackout will be seriously disappointed in what they get, it's more like a 2-4 pistol caliber than anything

[grave mountain]

Feedback Forum Is going to get really interesting, and really fast if .300BLK wins.

[wind plaza]

I've said it before, if we end up with a suppressed. 300blackout then I'm giving up and deleting the game. Every time they add weapons they nerf the old ones and I'm getting really tired of this power creep bs

DLC should be optional, not required

[grave mountain]

Agreed, the base game should’ve been fleshed out more ATLEAST 5+ years ago.

[wind plaza]

They made a lot of weird choices that they've had more than enough time to fix and they've done nothing. I've been playing 5 years now and bought all the dlc to support them but I'm sick of how they are treating it now. Blindly adding new crap to the pile instead of fixing what they've broken is just disrespectful to all the long term players

[sage linden]

The only weapon I can recall getting severely nerfed was Mosin.

IMO I think they have done a fairly good job of keeping the DLC weapons more or less comparable to the base game weapons other than for issues like number of rounds, etc. But even that they limit. (So no 10 round mag on the .22 AR.)

If they had the weapons actually reflect real world ballistics accurately, there would be little challenge in the game given the animals only rendering out to c. 420m.

I do wish they would work on buckshot though.

[wind plaza]

It's never severe but always consistent with each new weapon pack, the older weapons usually lose quick kill or they'll end up a little less accurate to nudge you toward the new weapon. Started noticing it when we got the eckers and then te awaroa and the .303

[grave timber]

110gr works great for Yotes in .308

[grave timber]

300blk is a medium game cartridge and I love my .30cals irl from. .300win, 30-06, 7x62.54R, .308, & my 300Blk. However in this case the .450 Bushmaster from my personal experience would be better suited as a broad range cartridge for multiple game like the 7mm was as a medium range weapon. I dont think we need another monster magnum at the moment when we have a handful of tier8 & 9 game; compared to 1-7 Game. We already have .470, .338, 300Win, .50Cal Musket/Black Powder, the Grwelik x3 barrel 9x32(dont quote me😅), etc. 17HMR would be the only other realistic option for 1-2 Game since we hardly have small game options over .22, .22H, small game arrows, and Birdshot.

[grave mountain]

.375 opens up the possibility for Africa 2.0 more than it already was. Not everyone wants to use .300WM on Cape Buffalo.

[wind plaza]

Are you seriously comparing the blackout to .300 win mag and .30-06? They use the same diameter of bullet but they are universes apart in performance. The .470 and 9.3 drilling are the only calibers we have that would even be legal for cape Buffalo in most countries and the .338 and .300 aren't even close to realistic performance. We need the .375 to be a legitimate class 9 bolt action and the .17hmr would just be a weaker .22H in game

The .375 is the only reasonable choice on the list

[rose dome]

I agree. We should have a class 9 bolt action rifle. Nowhere in the world can you hunt Cape buffalo or lion with a .300 win mag or .338 win mag. We should get the .375 h&H and the .300 and .338 should be dropped to class 8. Have the .375 H&H, .470 Nitro Express, and possibly in the future, a .416 rigby or something similar in a bolt. Or create a class 10 for dangerous game such as Cape Buffalo, Lions, Crocodiles (possibly Nile in the future?), Bengal Tiger, and possibly elephant in the future 🤞🏻. Maybe even water Buffalo. And I know, having tigers in the game isn’t realistic, but I think a large caliber bolt and rework of the classes would benefit the game.

[grave timber]

You seriously miss understood my post. •1. I merely made a point we have enough .30cal rifles in the GAME. • 2. Clarified the 300blk is a Mid Game & Range Caliber. •3. The Game does not have a wide range of Small Game Calibers hense the 17HMR (10+ Game Animals) •4.There is roughly 7 or so tier 9 Game Animals that the .375 is good for •5. 15+ tier 3-7 Game Animals...........so current ratio: •4 Weapons: (10+ Tier 1-2 Game Animals)/ •4-5 weapons for 7ish tier 8-9/ •Many weapons for (20+ Tier 3-7). I'm talking to a game thred not irl. N yes I'm fully aware there worlds apart I own them, reload, hunt, & shoot comp. But this is a game not real ballistics and we all know that or I hope....you do. The Game has mechanics and a .375 isn't going to be justified for the small number of animals its classed for over the number of small & Medium Game at this time. I'm in no way arguing that we dont need the .375 but in order to justify a 1 track pony over one that can be used for many they would need to add more tier 8-9 game to justify it. For the record I want the .375 for tier 8-9, .450 Bush for 3-7, & the 17HMR for Tier 1-2. But its up to the votes & majority wins at the end of the day.

[grave timber]

I agree 100% in this case and I hope they add more tier 8-9 to justify it if wins the votes

[wind plaza]

Yes, this is a game that clearly has a faulty ballistics system. If you compare the .300blackout to the other .30 caliber weapons in game then people with no real world firearms experience will not understand how big a difference there actually is and that unfortunately includes a number of the devs. When I built my AR I tried handful of calibers, including a 16 inch. 300blackout upper and I was not impressed. I wouldn't consider it for anything larger than a whitetail and not for shots past about a hundred yards.

It doesn't matter how many 7-9 class animals are in the game at the moment because more will be coming, and yes, I'm including class 7 because of brown and grizzlies. There are plenty of options for class 1 and 2 animals and with the .22H I'm not looking for a weaker version just because the 17 has a little more reach.

You absolutely did not point out there was a difference between the blackout and other .30 caliber weapons. To argue the point we don't need a rifle because there's just a few of the animals it would cover doesn't account for any future additions to the game or the fact that the .375 has been requested since vurhonga came out.

[tender sluice]

Yeah, the current .300 in the game (as much as I love it and use it) would be considered an unethical dangerous game (Class 9) cartridge. Sure it will get the job done in expert hands, with a bullet tailored for the game and under ideal circumstances.

The .338 is a marginal dangerous game cartridge and certainly a better cartridge for dangerous game than the .300.

The penetration of the in game .338 is a joke and very disappointing as it really was the only reason I purchased the weapons pack that it came in.

I almost never use it.

Now .375 H&H is a fine cartridge but why not go the full monty and have the .375 RUM, .378 Weatherby, .416 Rigby or Ruger or .458 Winchester.

If they did decide on the .460 Weatherby then they really do need to represent the ridiculous recoil of that rifle so that accurate follow up shots are very difficult.

[grave timber]

Its not a debate and I didnt feel I had to explain the difference when no one asked.

[wind plaza]

People don't ask because they see .300 and assume it's just like the one in game. There were tons of people in general chat who proved that.

EW's poll was lacking a lot of basic information pertaining to what classes each caliber actually covered

[grave timber]

•300blkout: Short action, 30caliber used for medium sized game(Boar & Deer), 180yds. • 300win magnum: Long action, 30 caliber used for Large Game (Moose, Elk, Bear) 300yds 240avg. •375 Holland break action, (Safari Game) 450bushmaster straight case, (bolt or semi action) medium to large game (boar to elk & bear excuse me) 200yds

irl base info for those who want to know. look them up for exact specs.

[crisp saffron]

Real, and the Mosin, a 7.62 by 54R is pretty good

[wind plaza]

.375 comes in two versions

Flanged, essentially a larger rim to aid in extraction, for any break action or single shot weapon. Consider #1201613542852395099

There is a second version of .375 Holland and Holland that's designed for use in magazine rifles, your standard bolt actions that a majority of people use. #1253061698622062663

.375 is a very popular Safari rifle all across Africa, where it's the minimum legal caliber accepted for large/dangerous game like the Big Five (lion, cape buffalo, rhino, elephant, and leopard) professional hunters will recommend it for safaris or hunts that are focused on larger game animals like eland and gemsbok since it can use relatively light bullets from as little as 200 grain hollow points to 300 grain solids.

It also has a fairly large following in Alaska where guides carry it for bear defense and more than a few enjoy hunting moose with it.

In theory it could easily be a 6-9 class weapon but that's only because of how weirdly the animals are classified. More than likely we'd get one as 7-9 or possibly an 8-9 (grizzlies and black bear need separating way more than gemsbok need to be class 6)

[umbral stone]

I still want .17HMR just like Class 9 Weapons we only have one rifle that covers Class 1-2 but yes .375 is probably a better choice personally I'd prefer if they released any of your typical African calibers with a Africa 2.0 map rather than a DLC and then get a Africa 2.0 map roughly 2,3,4 yrs into the future

[wind plaza]

.17 wsm would be much closer to .22H in terms of gameplay.

.17hmr is basically a .22 magnum with half as much bullet as normal. The WSM is sort of built to be a larger rimfire and it's actually very effective. I'd say it would be a fairly close match to the .22H

You'd also get it in bolt action as well as singleshot.

[static narwhal]

Yk I’m really happy I’ve caused this

[umbral stone]

But .22 Magnum wasn't one of the choices on the poll so I could only choose .17HMR

[wind plaza]

Yeah, the poll was hard focused on calibers that work well in AR rifles

[umbral stone]

Oh f*ck it I'll just vote for .375 no bother you're right it's the only logical caliber to be added now

[wind plaza]

What they did was basically
Choose one: the .375 you've wanted since Vurhonga or all these shiny new AR-15 calibers

[indigo cloak]

There’s way more than just two .375 cartridges out there.

[wind plaza]

Going on Holland and Holland offerings because it's more traditional and personally my favorite. Ruger's .375 would be totally acceptable it just doesn't have the same kind of pedigree

[grave timber]

well it appears we got the .375, 450Bush, & the 300blk on the next weapon pk. I'm happy with the results.

1 safari caliber, and 2 all around game calibers for Medium - Large Game. Next Votes July 16th

[rocky crypt]

I believe so many people voted for 300 blackout because they likely assume it'll be on a suppressed AR

But out of all the calibers, only .17 hmr and .375 H&H are non AR platform rounds