Tiger Drink Zones Don't Need Removing, Give New Changes A Chance

[worldly geode]

Everyone should play how they want. This thread's purpose is to provide clarity to and counter a false claim that a '3-lake system' is churning out an unreasonable rate of diamonds and rare fur tigers by presenting a misleading codex image of a typical grind. Triggering an investigation by EW and at least two content creators to prematurely react to it.

Despite the owner of a codex image later explaining that they did a normal grind of 500+ kills and only harvesting the diamonds and rares, some people are still pushing for the removal of herd management and grinding from the game, as well as nerfing tigers' drink zones. Which is fine but it cannot be in good faith if their argument is presenting false information. IRL, tigers drink a lot of water per day so drinks zones are a realistic feature.

EW has repeatedly expressed that they fully support HM and grinding and tigers should be treated no differently.

The higher rate of rare fur spawning with tigers is down to the higher number of rare furs available and not any grind system.

Why are tigers perfect as they are, for grinders and casuals?

• Original stalking mechanics, giving COTW a fresh hunting experience and challenge.
• Awesome animations and sound effects that will curdle your blood.
• A wide array of stunning rare furs that make them an exciting and rewarding hunt for trophies.
• With their small drinking population, they're accessible to all player types which balances them well with the more difficult non-drinking species such as the snow leopards and tahr. Not everything on a map needs to be a hardship!
• Tigers are likely to be the most threatening species to be added to the game since wolves, making them an absolute thrill and Sundarpatan's ultimate showstopper species.

So, what IS wrong with tigers?

• Nothing. They're working very well as intended.
• Size? Maybe? I've seen comments but I don't know.

Tigers are perfect as they are. Leave the tigers alone!
🐯

[red sleet]

I don't have an issue with how they are currently. The model could be a little small compared to lion but that doesn't bother me that bad.

[versed canyon]

"Why tigers are awesome as they are, for both grinders and grinders?" and for not grinders?😭 xDD

[worldly geode]

Same. Size does not matter...

[uncut dagger]

i shot for about 3 hours tigers with this method and only got one diamond. i think there no problem with them besides the size

[worldly geode]

Oh bugger. I did a swap around and screwed it up. Fixed. Thanks!!!

[final wharf]

I think like any grind it’s all up to RNG at the end of the day….some people just got super lucky with their grinds. I already got a diamond tiger so if I was to grind it would be just for the rares. I’m gonna try multiplayer hoping first though before people decide to mod them like crazy :/

[worldly geode]

Exactly. It was all an overreaction and a little bit of disingenuous misinterpretation. But people are starting to see it for what it is now, hopefully.

[static glen]

Only issues I have with tigers is that they are neither rare nore elusive!

[worldly geode]

Do you want them to stop stalking you? Because that's the only way to make them elusive. Then what you have is a big stripey snow leopard. Yawn. Not very exciting, is it?

[static glen]

No its just way too frequent and common. I think I had the map a half hour before I got my first and was not even hunting them.

[worldly geode]

Fair enough. It took me a week to find 15 of 16 tigers. That's elusive enough for me.

[static glen]

I kind of expected to go a day or two before even seeing one. Oh well in the end it is just a game.

[worldly geode]

Yep. And I think that's how they were designed. Can't please everyone.

[opaque gulch]

I do not think removing drink zones will prevent grinding .... with so few tigers and each tiger having it's own home range. Once you find it's feed zone or rest zone then they can be farmed from those locations as well .... Just as leopards are....

EW just led the payers to believe that tigers they would be rare and elusive with different mechanics than other animals .... While their stalking mechanics are different but their core mechanics are the same as all other animals ....

[modest echo]

Yes. Tigers should be left the way they are.

[versed canyon]

EW should focus now on bugfixing and QOL imho.

[worldly geode]

HIGHLIGHT RARES ON THE HARVEST SCREEN

[versed canyon]

That should be easy to code

Unless the code is a spaghetti nightmare xd

[worldly geode]

You'd think, right?

[worldly geode]

To be fair, there was a lot of hype over the tigers with them being such a controversial species. With so many strong opinions, even before their reveal, I think a lot of that hype got interpreted into dramatically varying expectations of how tigers should be introduced into COTW. I think this was always going to be a huge challenge for EW and impossible for them to please everyone. I don't think they were deliberately dishonest at any point.
They announced that tigers were getting drinking zones a week before release (and also before Early Access), so there should be no surprises there.
How 'elusive' they are is kind of subjective and depends on many things, such as the animal size, speed, spooking radius and other behaviour. Changing the tiger's spook mechanic would affect its stalking mechanic, which is the animal's showstopper feature. I can't see EW meddling with that, with it being such a roaring success and extremely popular.
Elusiveness also depends on a person's play styles, level, ability and skill build. For me, no animal is more elusive than any other animal in the game. Simply because all you have to do, and what I did with the tigers, is comb every inch of where they exist on the map. I found them all by walking every shore line in the south of the map. I can find all the leopards in the same way by looking out for the fleeing call and combing every inch of the north. It is my next project. I have already found several tahr zones. The only true way to make an animal elusive is to reduce how often it drops tracks and flee calls and perhaps that is something EW could consider. But I don't think players would be happy.

But ultimately, tigers were advertised with drink zones and that's what we got. I love their animations and the dawn hunt is so much fun. Nerfing tigers would be a major mistake and I think the backlash will be even bigger than the bear non-reset.

[worldly geode]

DON'T Remove Tiger Drink Zones

[undone brook]

I personally don't think this is an "exploit" , just how the game respawns work. It's an easy workaround for players who like it, just not to grind this way.

I've personally tried this 3 lake method, and I get a diamond every 6-8 tigers, so many 6 to 7 diamonds per hour is possible. I've shot down the other tigers to lower levels and the one spawning in these trilakes are consistently level 7 to 9.

Again, every map is different, maybe OPs map was his tiger on slightly different home ranges, therefore the lack of consistent spawning on these lakes.

[worldly geode]

I've got my first legendary in the triangle now but have two 7s that I will try to lower to 6s. Maybe that'll improve my spawn rate.

But yes, you are right, there's absolutely no exploit here. I am literally doing herd management. Like yourself, some people have been luckier and that is just how this game works.

[jolly oriole]

Any “controversy” consisted of a few loud individuals who fight everything on the discord

[worldly geode]

Pretty much sums it up.

[worldly geode]

Yep. Tigers work perfectly fine as they are.
The recent hysteria was created by the typical naysayers who jumped to conclusions without doing any of their own investigations.

[jolly oriole]

Yup

[echo vessel]

Tigers are indeed perfect as they are and there is no need in removing drink zones. EW should focus on improving other things in the game. I would DIE for an actual hunting/stalking-focused update.

[worldly geode]

Indeed! So many more QOL things they should be worrying about.

[worldly geode]

It finally happened! First diamond! 5 days - 150-200 kills. Two rares. [yes, I know, it was a snail grind]

[full talon]

I guess one counter point would be leading up to release this just wasn’t how they were intended to function. I get why people like it, but I also get why people don’t.

[worldly geode]

What do you mean by "how they were intended?"
Do you personally know how the devs intended the tigers to be?
Because they kind of did build them. Just saying.

[full talon]

Every bit of content led players to believe they would be rare interactions.

I think making a blanket statement that they are fine when there are people frustrated with how they currently work is more opinion than fact. You can think it’s fine. But don’t downplay others who disagree. I’ve seen a ton of super rares posted in a server Im in. More super rare tigers posted in the past week than super rares posted in 2024. That doesn’t seem right to me.

[worldly geode]

So you have no idea what the devs intended. Thanks for clearing that up.

[full talon]

Prove to me this is what they intended. That everything is fine. Despite the fact that tiger super rares are posted daily making them more common everyday. If all you’re going to lean on is I don’t know what the devs intended the same is true of you and you can’t say things are fine the way they are.

[worldly geode]

You're making a false statement. It's up to you to prove it,buddy.

[severe sable]

Wow he wanted become Michael Jackson lmao 😂 😂 🤣🤣

[full talon]

Your statement saying everything is fine nothing is broken is equally false then because you don’t know what they intended.

[worldly geode]

Prove it.

[full talon]

I don’t care that you like it. You’re allowed to believe it’s fine. But don’t overlook people that disagree with you.

[worldly geode]

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. You, however, are making false claims that you can't prove. PMSL

[full talon]

Your first statement is “there is no tiger exploit” prove it. The rest of that message is NOT concrete proof

[worldly geode]

Prove that there is an exploit. Provide the evidence. I'll wait.

[full talon]

I never said it was an exploit. I said everything pre-release did not demonstrate this would be the way tigers worked. Can I prove what the devs intended? No. But you asking me to is just a way to prop up your opinion. All I’m saying to you is what you have suggested here is merely opinion. And people can disagree and not need to prove to you anything.

[worldly geode]

Okay, then you're just trolling. LMAO.

There's a difference. You lied.

[full talon]

I’m not trolling…you want me to prove something we both know I can’t. But you can’t prove your side either so we are left to discuss opinions. If you recall my initial comment it was merely pointing out that there is another side to the issue

[worldly geode]

You made a false statement about EW's intentions. You lied. We're done. Bait and troll some other thread.

[full talon]

You actually say in your initial post that tigers work well as intended…how is that different from my suggesting they aren’t?

Like I’m genuinely asking how you view those as different points. Because you want me to prove they didn’t intend this but you don’t have to prove they did.

[worldly geode]

It's all in the first post. Unless EW state otherwise, the default position IS that they are as intended. This really shouldnt be so hard to grasp. Jaxy is live right now and is confirming this. You know better than Jaxy?
Just spare me the bllsht. LMAO.

[full talon]

Where in the stream?

[worldly geode]

He's also just stated that tigers have ONE home range, contradicting the original claim of the 'exploit'.

[worldly geode]

https://www.youtube.com/live/t42z8_0xFok?si=u969VJ2Qyi5Xp19q

[obsidian relic]

The diamond ranking based on kills is 1/200 = 0.005, which is very low and could be considered fortunate.

[full talon]

No I…the time stamp.

[worldly geode]

I'm watching live. You can find it yourself.

[full talon]

Yeah prolly not gonna do that

[worldly geode]

It's only been on 20 minutes. Probably in the first 15. Good luck.

[full talon]

I have work and meetings. So maybe but unlikely

[worldly geode]

Yes. And with regards to rares, what people are not taking into account is that the accumulative chance of spawning a rare is roughly just above 1% (I can't post mined stats, unfortunately). Those are pretty good odds. And higher than most other species because tigers have 7 variations. A lot in comparison.

[worldly geode]

I got my first and only diamond after 150 kills so that seems about right too.

[obsidian relic]

Don't you feel like you already tired and hate hunting tigers?

[worldly geode]

I killed that diamond about 3 hours ago and that was the last tiger. Says it all. Haha.

[obsidian relic]

Good. With dedication and planning, someone can achieve taking down the first diamond-scored tiger in just a few hunts, similar to how I did it with the diamond cougar after a maximum of 5 kills.

[worldly geode]

Yeah, the tiger spawn mechanics are no different to other species. There are variations with luck but these naysayers are spouting rubbish.

[obsidian relic]

High rating of diamond is hard!

[severe sable]

I was pretty hyped and excited for Sundarpatan but now a week after release I don't really like the map all that much the landscape and Species are amazing exactly what I was hoping for but the hunting is not really enjoyable for me

[worldly geode]

Reindeer. Ugh. Got one but took a month. That was definitely harder. But still, spawning mechanics are pretty much the same across the game. Some species may be set to a slightly different percentage. I don't if there's any legitimate info on that out there. But we couldn't post it here anyway.

[worldly geode]

I'm loving it more each day. Loving the aggression but I will occasionally switch to fallow and red deer on Oz and NZ for quieter hunts. It's good to have such varying maps for different hunts.

[obsidian relic]

I killed a number of reindeer for the missions, but I got a diamond one thanks to my planning and tracking.

[obsidian relic]

For me, it's quite the opposite. This map has the potential to add more species, especially small game and some big game species.

[worldly geode]

My reindeer casual grind

[obsidian relic]

The interesting thing is that I hunted the diamond reindeer right where there are silver trophies according to your map. Things work different for each player.

[worldly geode]

To be fair, I just randomly picked my locations and herd managed them down. That area was a potential spot though.

[worldly geode]

It was a really good stream today. No mention of exploits and it was great that Jaxy was clear about the ONE home range for all tigers. Thanks for that. I'm not sure where the '16 home ranges' idea came from but I did think that was from EW, for some reason. Moving on, there's clearly an algorithm that distributes the animals evenly across the home range for all species. So, it is more likely that the triangle is just a spawning pattern created by that code. It's not uncommon in the game and a known one apparently exists on SRP with the black bears. I WILL be checking that out. I certainly noticed some spawning patterns on Medved when I herd managed the reindeer for a diamond. It's the same system. All this is more proof that the hysteria was churned up by a small party of bad faith actors who just like to complain and make trouble.

[full talon]

I still hope they change it so the method no longer exists

[worldly geode]

I doubt that's going to happen as EW almost weekly say they support grinding. They are very clear about that. If it bothers you so much, the good news is that there is absolutely nothing in this world that is forcing you to use it. Be happy and play your game the way it suits you and worry less about everyone else. I guarantee you, you will have a much more enjoyable time.

[full talon]

I will still hold out hope that they will make the changes. I actually don’t care what others do. Just expressing my opinion. Sorry it inconveniences you

[worldly geode]

Your opinions don't inconvenience anyone. Feel free to share.

[full talon]

So I watched the stream. Didn’t really see where Jaxy said this was ok. Could you give me the time? I was listening but maybe missed it?

[worldly geode]

Jaxy spoke extensively about tigers throughout the stream and made no mention of an exploit. He went over many things in detail about tigers and made a point of mentioning that there was only ONE home range for them, which means that that triangle is not a single home range or an exploit and is working as intended. If you did truly watch the stream, you would know this. You joined today and I think you are just here to troll and present bad faith arguments because you are a little bored. If you stop worrying about other people's gameplay then you will be happier, I promise you that. Thanks for keeping my thread at the top of the forum though. 👍

[full talon]

I rejoined today. I have been playing this game for years…thanks for nothing. From what I heard there wasn’t mention of an exploit but that doesn’t mean anything…

[worldly geode]

Bye troll.

[full talon]

I just wanted to know where he said tigers worked as intended. Sheesh I might’ve missed that part. Why are you assuming im trolling you. What have I done other than suggest a different opinion than yours? Truly?

[worldly geode]

🎣

[vivid wave]

Y'all didn't have to make a new thread for this did you? It's obvious nothings changing 😂

[worldly geode]

LOL. Not until today. 😂
A conversation with a content creator yesterday was a little concerning and that other thread's message got a lot of hype. That person hasn't updated their post with the new facts, This thread was just to clear up any misinformation and allow people to vote against it for balance.
I'm glad we got a little more clarity today.

[full talon]

Which thread is that. I’d like to read through what was said. Or was it dms

[worldly geode]

'Don't feed the trolls'

[vivid wave]

also about the tiger aggression thing, has anyone else felt that tigers need to be more aggressive? When I was grinding tigers to test the method i didn't get attacked once and honestly when I'm hunting through the jungles I'm not getting attacked at all either, feels like there's either not enough tigers or the tigers aren't aggressive enough to make them an actual thing to worry about

[vivid wave]

I don't think he's trolling man i think he just wants to know what jaxy said on stream 😭

[worldly geode]

Your skills are obviously better than mine. That map has killed me more times in 5 days than an entire year playing the game. 😂

[full talon]

What the CM said in the other thread leads me to believe that they are looking into this. So unless jaxy or anyone else explicitly stated that investigation is done I think it’s totally fair to suggest they fix how tigers work currently.

[worldly geode]

Conversation goes back earlier today. He's not being honest. Keeps moving the goalpost. He's a troll.

[worldly geode]

Keep dreaming. 😂 But that is your opinion and you're entitled to it. Now let's agree to disagree because we're just repeating ourselves and this is boring.

[vivid wave]

If he is a troll you're the one feeding him zen... 😅

[worldly geode]

I'm aware of that!!! 😂

[full talon]

I’m not a troll. Just because I rejoined today. A year ago I wrote a letter asking to remove HM. I then wrote a second letter asking for clarification on EWs stance on HM. They clarified and I left because I decided it was better for the community and myself to not constantly debate or express my minority position. I rejoined today to thank them for the new map because for the first time in a while I felt like COTW was listening to those of us who don’t like HM or don’t use it. I saw your post and simply offered a contrary opinion. I have been nothing but cordial with you.

[worldly geode]

And there you have it! The agenda. Make your own thread and discuss your concerns there. This is a different topic. Troll off.

[full talon]

I have no agenda for this…my goodness. Should’ve stayed gone I guess

[shut drift]

They stalk and attack the player as described by EW and were designed with need zones not just drinking but rest and feed zones as well. They clearly designed them this way therefore they work as intended and will be grindable as intended.

[vivid wave]

Still say they're not angry enough! I want my tigers acting like they've just stubbed their toes because of me 😂

[worldly geode]

You made baseless statements, not opinions. I called you out on them and asked you to provide proof. You couldn't. And you're still mad about it. You then proceeded to hound me for SIX HOURS after it was clear that we did not agree on this topic. But you couldn't drop it. You revealed just now that you left this forum a year ago because you were getting into arguments with people, Probably instigated by you and likely persistent like today. Your behaviour is the very definition of trolling which you are now doing on another thread with other people and playing victim. You are a troll.

[shut drift]

I agree that they aren't much of a challenge but it isn't because they have drink zones 🤣 I like the stalking mechanic but the growl gives you a lot of time to react and sometimes they just flee which is weird

[vivid wave]

You're making it your problem by continuing the debate

[worldly geode]

I love the tigers. I can't imagine them being more terrifying. Yikes. 😬

[vivid wave]

Yeah the drink zones just allow people who don't want to get tickled out in the jungle the ability to get trophy tigers 😂

I hate when they just flee for no reason! My dad picked up a dime water beef and we heard the growl and freaked out, ran like 20m away and the thing just....fd off

[worldly geode]

All true. Going to stop now.

[worldly geode]

That's funny. The thrill is definitely on the land though. But I like that I can choose to enjoy them in different scenarios.

[shut drift]

Exactly best for all players.

I was trying to show my daughter how they attack and it ran away all you can do is laugh

[vivid wave]

Me and my dad made a headcanon that its tiger mum yelled at it to get its tiger-arse downstairs into the lair for dinner so it had to pause its current hunt 😂

[worldly geode]

When you hear the growl don't put up your binos or weapon. Good luck on that demo. Your poor daughter. You sound like a great dad. LOL

[shut drift]

She plays the game more than I do. Gotta teach those survival skills 🤣

[worldly geode]

Ha! Awesome. Prepare her for an African trekking safari.

[worldly geode]

Article about how the fascinating way in which tigers drink.
https://tigerwildindia.wordpress.com/2020/07/29/how-do-tigers-drink-water/

[worldly geode]

🐯 Video: https://vimeo.com/443933448

[worldly geode]

OP text updated.

[proven sorrel]

The tigers and their new mechanics are cool, but it would be nice if their growl was a little quieter and they didn't always decide to stalk you almost directly from behind.

Immediately after hearing the growl it is easy to kill the Tiger, I just walk a little further to feel safe, wait for it to show itself and shoot it calmly, at least that's how it was in most of my encounters.

Except one, the growl was so light I thought it might have been my dog, 30 seconds later I heard a footstep behind me, there it was, a tiger crouching in the shade of a small tree, the feeling of knowing I was there for Him Sound of footsteps and not quite the growl was amazing.

I don't want the Tigers to be able to kill you every time, they don't necessarily have to be more difficult or dangerous, just be more unpredictable...

You can simply take it as my personal opinion, I know that many like it the way they are now.

[worldly geode]

Fair enough, I like the noise level though.

[full talon]

Stalking from behind is how tigers hunt iirc. But other than that I agree that it can be easy to find them because of how long they stalk you.

[proven sorrel]

I'm disappointed to have been killed by 2 Water Buffalos, but 0 Tigers... An option to turn off their growls at the same time as the sound of their footsteps gets a little louder would be great.
Anyway, the DLC is great, just like the Tigers, I'm not trying to say it's "Bad", just that I expected something a little different maybe

[worldly geode]

That's a shame. I've really enjoyed being killed multiple times by tigers and buffalo. And those yaks are real b*stards. You're missing out. 😂
I think with so much hype and excitement for tigers, expectations were always going to be varied and there would be some unavoidable disappointment. For me, their size is smaller than I had expected. But I don't feel like this is a big deal. In balance, the tigers are pretty awesome and have been a 'roaring' success for EW.
Jaxy spoke about tigers quite extensively in stream yesterday and gave no indication that they not as intended. He also dispelled the myth that tiger rares are more common and we're seeing more of them because there is a tiger frenzy at the moment. Which is not atypical at the launch of a new map, species or GO.

Tiger Drink Zones Don't Need Removing, 3-Lake Myth Debunked.

[vivid wave]

I wouldn't quite say debunked until someone from ew actually addresses the situation. Just because jaxy didn't speak of it doesn't mean people are going to take that as evidence that it's okay until EW actually do address it

[worldly geode]

There's no evidence anywhere that shows that the triangle is producing diamond after diamond and any more rares than what is typical from the grind. That is the myth I'm challenging. The triangle exists but not in the way some people are making it out to he. The codex image that started the controversy has been explained by the owner of that image.

Jaxy also addressed the rare spawn rate of tigers on stream yesterday as being normal. Pretty much shutting down that rumour.

[full talon]

Can I ask why it matters so much that it stays the same to you?

[worldly geode]

No. I never said that. Your question is making assumptions about what I think. You're trying to bait me again and I have no interest in playing this game with you today. We clearly disagree on this subject and that is okay but you need to accept that. We do not have to engage with eachother on this forum. I'm asking you to respect that. I don't know how you are able to respond to my message but you are blocked for a reason. If you persist, I will report you to the moderators.

[vivid wave]

But.... he's not doing anything wrong??? I've looked through this thread and all he's done is offer a different perspective on things, that is not something to report to a moderator

[worldly geode]

He made ralse claims and then hounded me for SIX HOURS after we disagreed and he is back today.
No one here has to engage with anyone they don't want to. He knows that and is trolling now.

He fessed up to having causing drama a year ago before leaving. He is doing the same now.

[vivid wave]

I personally think he just wants a civilised debate without any assumptions on what the other is doing?

So if you could maybe not jump to conclusions that he's trolling i think that may help this be a healthy discussion instead of you getting annoyed

[worldly geode]

He made assumptions and lied. I'm sorry you can't see that but it doesn't change the fact that I do not want to engage with him. End of.

[vale mist]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676349

[worldly geode]

Typically when we decide we can't agree with someone we move on and don't bother eachother. That is not what is happening here.

[worldly geode]

It's all good. Just trying to get the message across. 😂

[vale mist]

I can, if it helps you, lock the thread for a little bit?

Or if everyone is still open to civil discourse - I can leave it

[severe sable]

Oh please do that and this one
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1253067056627056723
Both have been doing my head in with these countless arguments over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

[worldly geode]

No, it's okay. Besides, I've got more drinking tigers to post. LOL. 🤣

[worldly geode]

Yes, that one has a bunch of misinformation that EW should probably address.

[severe sable]

While that may be true I'm kinda sick of your crap too I'll be honest I like/liked you quite abit and agreed with you too alot but to me you've just been well how do I put it abit of an ass with the whole Bengal Tiger conversation

[worldly geode]

I like you too but we don't have to agree on everything. That is okay.

[worldly geode]

This is how the triangle grind worked for me. The dark blue dots show how often my tiger bounced outside of its spawning zone causing me to spend several hours to find him again. I found 2 rares and 1 diamond over 5 days so I do not believe there to be an exploit to the extent that has been suggested. During the stream yesterday, when the question was put to him, Jaxy also confirmed that rare tigers were not spawning at a higher rate than is intended.
This spawning pattern may very different for other people.

This thread is about the specific claim that a typical grind method is being used as an exploit by some and whether tigers should have their drinking zones removed. This thread is not about whether grinding is a legitimate form of playing. EW has already settled their stance on this and I will not engage in topics deviating from the above. There are already many threads involving heated discussions over gameplay styles so please keep any off-topic remarks to those threads.

[oblique drum]

I aint reading allat

[full talon]

You should.

[worthy agate]

tiger diamond spawn rates are higher because there are so little of them on the map
all it takes is 3-4 male tigers to have a relatively low level to severely boost dime rates (this is herd management in essence)

tiger rares (combined chance of getting any rare) are more common than any other animal rares by a longshot (about 4x the chance)

put these two together PLUS the insanely consistent 3-lake method that people have been using to grind these tigers at rates that were most likely unwanted by the developers and no wonder theres a flood of super rares being posted.

[worldly geode]

Exactly this. It is no more of an exploit than a normal grind. But the odds are definitely better as per your explanation. But I think its great! Nobody is forced to do it. Although, I'm getting a little bored of it already. If this is a taste of a bigger grind like moose then forget it. 😂

[worldly geode]

slurp

[shrewd nest]

I agree also the 3 lake method is only works for some people Mine go to 5-6 lakes most of the time 8:10 times they are at the 3 but sometimes they leave

[serene pecan]

As an anti-HM guy, I wanted to experience the other side. I tried this 3 lake thing. Even when pushing hard HM tactics It's not as great as yall think it is. It's just different because of how tigers ranges work. The game isn't perfect......

[worldly geode]

Thank you for your honesty @serene pecan. It's very much appreciated. That pretty much sums up my argument.

The thread that started all this was attempting to imply very much the opposite. It has been updated with a little more context now but it is still intentionally omitting important details in its opening statement. I.e. that grind was 500+ kills. I don't mind us all having different opinions about things but that person is being very dishonest. It's a shame.

[severe sable]

No problem I just want for people to not be at each others throats when they have an argument

[worldly geode]

@severe sable I accidentally tagged you. Woops.

Its all good. Haha. Apologies.

[worldly geode]

Second diamond tiger on my soft grind: 6 days 2 rares 2 diamonds 250 kills.

[full talon]

Ummm 6 what Zen? You may want to edit that there message

Pretty sure you mean rares.

[worldly geode]

LOL. Oops. I meant 'days'. I'm doing 3 things at once and I'm extra shyte at multi-tasking. Thanks for the heads up. .

[full talon]

Would hate to see you banned for a typo but people get heated about just about anything these days.

[worldly geode]

I'm gay so I was only dissing myself. Haha! 😂
And no, we wouldn't want anyone getting upset over nothing like anti-grinders do over other people's play style. LMAO. 🤣
Glad I trusted my instincts on this guy 🧦 🧌 . One can only fool some of the people...

[vale mist]

Tmw

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

-- Zen, probably

[worldly geode]

Haha. Love it. 😂

[worldly geode]

Slurp slurp.

[serene pecan]

How dare you assume the tigers gender?!?🤣🤣 jk I chuckled when I read it at first lol

[worldly geode]

I accidently wrote gays instead of days. It really read VERY wrongly., especially in the context of the whole sentence. But quite funny. Probably shouldn't elaborate too much on this. Eek. Haha! Moving on!! Swiftly. 😂

[serene pecan]

So how about the weather🤣😅

[worldly geode]

Well, it's 30 degrees Celsius here in the UK. Delightfully sunny. I'm out later for some rooftop cockt.... dammit. 🍸

[serene pecan]

Here in SouthEastern, NC it's 86% humidity and 98 degrees Fahrenheit. NC being North Carolina, USA

[worldly geode]

Oof. I'm not sure I'd like that humidity with 96F. 🥵

[serene pecan]

Lol I'm an Arborist so being in the thick of a pine tree in this weather just sucks. Sucks like a vacuum plugged into a nuclear reactor.

[worldly geode]

@serene pecan Colourfully poetic. I felt and smelt that. Like breathing pine needle custard. 🤢 You should write.

[versed canyon]

86% in Barcelona too. :' )

[worldly geode]

I once stayed a few days in Dubai when it was 46 celcius (115F). My camera malfunctioned as I came out the hotel and I hailed a cab to take me 300 metres down the road. I am not ashamed of being a wuss when it comes to extreme weather! 🥵

[serene pecan]

I'm not ashamed of being a wuss of weather either lol. I be pouring ice out my thermos into my hard hat lol

[lime pike]

Ew should balance it by forwarding time 4 hours when you fast travel . You wanna grind no prob but it will cost you

[worldly geode]

Interesting idea but I can't see it working, tbh. Fast travel is not always about grinding.

[serene pecan]

Facts

[worldly geode]

Good morning, slurpers.

[lime pike]

Well travel takes time so uts a nice inbetween

[worldly geode]

Well, I do think it's an interesting idea. But it would affect the entire game. The community as a whole may freak out though. 😂

[worldly geode]

Also, people would get around it by adjusting the time to compensate the penalty.

[jolly oriole]

^

[worldly geode]

Dark blue indicates some of the locations where my tiger has bounced to. I'm still trying to find him on his latest bounce.

[worldly geode]

The 3 lake system's rare/diamond spawning rate seems to be on par with tahrs. With tahrs also having a high number of rare furs this is unsurprising but also great news for a tahr grind. 👇
https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/697749048177852416/1256312415587536948

[vivid wave]

Ehhhh i wouldn't take a couple peoples statistics for an assumption like that, i say wait a couple more weeks for more to pop up

[worldly geode]

Of course. Nothing's set in stone yet. All too soon, as you say. But interesting data nevertheless.

[worldly geode]

**7 day casual grind: **300 kills (200 inside triangle), 3 diamonds (2 outside triangle), 2 rares (both inside triangle)

Tiger locations on my map:
**Cyan **dots are where males have spawned
**Pink **dots are where females have spawned
**Navy **dots are where my first herd managed tiger has spawned within and outside the triangle. Not all bounced locations have been documented. Ratio is about 1/10 bounce.
**Purple **dots are where my second herd managed tiger has spawned within and outside the triangle.

[serene pecan]

Zen. My foe turned friend. My brotato chip. I've seen the light. I get it now. This Tahr grind has kinda opened my eyes and I'm not scared to admit my opinion was a little misguided and aggressive. Long live HM🤣 ya boy grinds now lol @worldly geode

[worldly geode]

Ahah! Welcome to the nerd'dom of herd management! It's kind of fun, yes? There's a maths to it that appeals to the geek in me. 🤓
FYI, I never regarded us as enemies. To be fair, I think we were *all * a little overly passionate in the 'To grind or not to grind' debate. My bad for teasing you over your tiger drink zone anxiety too. The introduction of tigers was always going to be emotive but I think all of that is settling down now. Kind of why I really like this community. Nobody really hangs onto anything. 🥰

The tiger [casual] grind has been fun but I think I'm going to pack up my tents now and move north for those tahrs and yaks now. Besides, my tiger has gone AWOL again and I can't be bothered to find him. 3 diamonds and two beautiful rares will have to do, for now.

My tiger triangle-grind conclusions dropping later!

[serene pecan]

I'll let you teach me sometime if you're down. There's a lot to unpack.

[severe sable]

Does anyone have the time to explain Herd Management to me I've watched many videos on HM but I cam never understand I can do maths well but then I also suck at maths too depending on the subject

[worldly geode]

I've seen some very complex hm/grind methods on youtube but I don't think it needs to be so convoluted. Jaxy always says that he often sees people overcomplicating it and that you just need to focus on a few lakes and kill all upper level males. It will eventually churn out the diamonds. In principle, level 9s should start appearing over time anyway, even if you don't herd manage, because of how respawn algorithms work. Before crocs arrived, I would slaughter every single male and female lion for easy money and have 10 diamonds to show for it. No grinding or hm at all. But lions very rarely troll, so there's that too.

This seems to be the most straight forward method without doing a convoluted lake hm system.
Basic grind:
level 3 species - kill all level 2 males, leave 1s and 3s
level 5 species - kill all level 3-4 males, leave 1-2 and 5s
level 9 species - kill all level 5-8 males, leave 1-4 and 9s
Killing females will have no or minimal affect on the male respawns, apparently.

Start the drink time and kill as many mid level males as you can until the drink time ends. Do not exit the game. Go to your tent and reset to the drink time start again and do the same all over. Keep repeating the process until you are bored or you have killed all the mid level males. It's not a big deal if you miss some or accidently kill a low level. When all or most mid levels are gone, exit the game, or switch maps to and back, to allow the engine to respawn your map with a range of low to high respawns. Start your drink time again then it's 'rinse and repeat', over and over, killing all mid levels, allowing the gap between lows and highs to widen. Eventually you should have none or very few midrange animals, meaning diamonds should respawn more frequently and you can start harvesting them. Depending on how aggressive your grind is, should take between 2 weeks to 2 months.
*The hardcore grinders will whittle their low spawns down to level 2. That's quite intense though. People can make it as complicated as they want, for example moving all their diamonds to one lake. But it is not necessary. *

I used the above method for reindeer. using a bow. A very slow grind which took about two months but I spawned 3 diamonds and lots and lots of trolls. (I messed up 2 of those diamonds though. 😭 )

Starting a croc hm and its going much fast with less trolls.

@severe sable @serene pecan Hope you find the above useful. Others will have other ideas. Unless the method is not enjoyable, it is not worth the bother, imho.

[severe sable]

Thank you so much brother you're a true legend 🙏🙏

[severe sable]

If you do a Tahr Grind and figured how to do it in a way or something like that could you also explain it to me I love Tahr and would love a GO

But for now I'm going to hunt bears as I love them and don't have a diamond of any of the three species

[wide adder]

I hope that behavior like this doesn’t turn you away from the community. It’s hypocritical people like this that only hear what they want to hear who have the loudest voices, but know that there are many other “whiny anti-grinder trolls” who share your opinion. Enjoy the game the way you want to no matter how many people like this you see. Have fun and don’t let stuff like this ruin your playstyle.

[full talon]

Appreciate you.

[wide adder]

Np

[worldly geode]

Hey, everybody on this thread supports grinders and casual players and whatever playstyle people prefer. I am a casual player myself and dabble occasionally with herd management. I appreciate that the ethics of grinding is a passionate topic for some but it is off-topic on this thread which is about how a particular grinding system works and if tiger behaviour should be changed because of it.
Here's a good thread where anti-grinders are debating the ethics of herd management and grinding if you would like to discuss it there. https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1253067056627056723
Please respect this and not stir drama. Peace.

[worldly geode]

🐯 💧
A link to the top for those who would like a refresher of what this thread is about. ✌️
https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1254834428145045504/1254837297891770449

[worldly geode]

You're welcome.

For tahr, I was going to do the same that I do with goats on EC. Just shoot all the male 3 and 4s. I have about 3 diamonds I think. Not sure. There's more visibility on EC than Nepal so we'll see how it goes. 😬

My first kill on the first day of a black bear herd management, several months ago, was a diamond. So it was also my last day of that grind. 😂

[worldly geode]

FYI.
https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1254834428145045504/1256621015887380560
Hope it helps.

[serene pecan]

You're too kind. This helps a ton. Thanks bro.

[worldly geode]

You're welcome.* I made a couple of quick edits. *

[serene pecan]

If only you had a PC

[worldly geode]

Some days, it's very tempting. How's your tahr grind going?

[serene pecan]

99 kills in. No dimes. No rares. Just pain lol. I'm still figuring it out.

[worldly geode]

99. Wow. Those odds have got to start working in your favour soon. 🤞

[worldly geode]

So it turns out that it is possible to move a second tiger male (purple dots) into the 3-lake triangle system (more likely if vacated). Purple arrows show the consecutive spawns of the second male starting from the bottom south eastern lake.

[worldly geode]

After reviewing the patterns of the navy and purple marked tigers, I think I may have had two male tigers in the triangle originally. There has never been a female in the triangle so no females have been switched out.

[worldly geode]

@serene pecan No worries. As it's off-topic there, I'm happy to discuss it here. I've got about 3 female-only reindeer herds on Medved. I agree, there seems to be quite a lot more female-only nilgai herds on Nepal. Also I have a crazy amount of level 2 males. I've already got a diamond but I'm thinking my Nilgais are going to be an easy grind set up later. So I'm thinking it's a bonus. Also, those nilgai females easy money with a bow if you need a new tripod. 👍

[stable pagoda]

Lets not forget tigers are the biggest cat on earth

[serene pecan]

I'm glad you said "with a bow" it hadn't even crossed my mind.

[worldly geode]

Yeah, just call them in with the e-caller. You'll make over 5k in minutes. They also return fairly soon after being spooked, like goats do.

[serene pecan]

Thanks bro. You're GOATED. Get it? No? Okay.......

[worldly geode]

Which is why it is odd that they look smaller than lions. I'm thinking that this is because lions are getting a remaster that hasn't been announced yet.

[vale mist]

honestly same. I super hope lions get reworked. They are smaller, but not hugely so - they also stand differently so it makes them "look" large, esp with the manes

[stable pagoda]

they should be biggers than lion

[worldly geode]

Agreed. Fingers crossed a lion remaster will fix that. 🤞

[worldly geode]

Yes, indeed! If they only give us one more remaster this year, it HAS TO BE lions. 🦁 😍 Please please please, devs!

[vale mist]

Here's a solid comparison I found on google

Like their dimensions are SO similar but

• stance
• length
• heft

those all play a part in how they are visually perceived

[worldly geode]

LOL. Yes, Ours definitely do not look like that. I'm going to steal that for my lion remaster thread.

[worldly geode]

lion and tigers (drinking 👀 )

Tiger looks longer.

[vale mist]

wh...where's the lion?

I see two tigers

[worldly geode]

I honestly thought the albino was a lion? No?

I think you might be right. It's not very high quality. Ha. Dammit. LOL

I think he has an instagram. I'll investigate... 🧐

[vale mist]

Looks like a white stripeless

Can see the tail and inner thigh

[worldly geode]

Yeah, I was looking at the tail after you commented. Haha!

Here's his insta. https://www.instagram.com/kodyantle/?hl=en.
It's hard to tell from these. Doesn't look like there's much difference between them. The size variation in COTW seems off though.

[vale mist]

Oh for sure. I think partly though, this is the age of the Lion Model.
Like, if they retouch it, I think it would be more in line with current tiger, give or take a smidge since they are irl so close - but would no longer be like... catstrosity larger in comparison

[worldly geode]

Fingers crossed. Which means it's extremely urgent they remaster those lions. 😂

[sharp mesa]

It’s just the size that messes with me

[worldly geode]

These patch notes actually read okay. As always, proof will be in the tasting of the pudding but thank you devs for not nerfing tiger drink zones.
https://www.reddit.com/r/theHunter/comments/1ea349v/bugfix_patch_723/

[opaque gulch]

Didn't remove the drink zones ... but players wont be able to fast travel right on top of them either ... They will have to stalk them which makes the tigers more difficult .... 👍

also decrease in spawn rate will slow things down a bit ....

[worldly geode]

Hopefully it also means that devs are starting to consider the views of the entire player base and not just those who shout the loudest. 🤞

[final wharf]

My question will be the patch note says they will take longer to respawn. And now that you can’t leave your map and get new respawns how long will it take for tiger respawns to show up…after an in game time change I assume?

[worldly geode]

I guess they needed to do something and this will require some community testing. I'm just relieved the drink zones weren't nerfed.

[spiral delta]

Respectfully disagree with this perception. The tigers were intended to be rare due to the low number of spawns in the map, plus their general stalking mechanics.

They can't be rare if they can be found easily. Water need zones make them relatively easy to locate. I am glad they are taking a second look at this and remaining true to their word and intention with their rarity. They should be on par with the snow leopard, imo.

Thank you for being respectful in how you communicate your thoughts overall. Its refreshing to see, even if we don't agree. 🙏

[worldly geode]

YW. Tigers are rare though. It was perceived otherwise because of the way you could set up your tent and rinse-and-repeat kill them. I think the delayed respawning and new tent spook range is an excellent idea and will resolve this issue. As a casual player I always start at 5am and play throughout the entire the day in a single session. Taking out the tigers early is not only fun but sets up the rest of my hunt. Once I clear that area, I still have the excitement of other tigers tracking me. Removing drink zones would turn the into tracking leopards and that just doesn't appeal to me.

Tiger Drink Zones Don't Need Removing, Give New Changes A Chance

[spiral delta]

Maybe making their drinking times more random without fully removing them would be ideal... I would be down with that!

[worldly geode]

Let's see how this works first as an all round solution. In the end, there has to be a compromise that works for the majority. I know we've discussed this before but if one were to ignore the drink time then you would get that experience of just being hunted. Because the tigers hunt you they will never feel as rare and unseen as leopards, regardless of drink zones existing or not. The new changes should hopefully remove the excessive grind element but I think grinders can grind them like other species.

[pallid frost]

The thing is ... Bengal Tigers weren't even meant to be in a hunting game.
They added them knowing how much community wants such animals, and they did it with only one possible way which is making them man eaters through missions, justifying killing them because they're the ones hunting the hunter and players have to self defense. Tigers are greatly respected in South Asia, so now with EW being the FIRST major company adding them to hunting game had to follow that respect code. And now ... when the community shames EW's game, showing the world Tigers in a hunting game with different intention then what the company initially had in mind ... of course Tigers were going to be changed.

Every Tiger grind video on YouTube, is making EW look like they are shaming South Asian culture.

I didn't want them to change the drink zones, but unfortunately if people are going to disrespect them like that, I understand what EW does

[worldly geode]

I'm sorry but I just don't believe any of this is true. I appreciate the passion behind your thoughts but this is game. A lot of similar statements were made before tigers were introduced, such as PETA suing EW etc that were outrageous and ridiculous but have simply not come true. Tigers have been immensely popular for COTW and the world just doesn't care about tigers a computer game. .And they're here to stay.

[spiral delta]

This was sort of my thought on the whole thing when it was discovered the could be grinded. I know the devs wanted to treat them dignity and respect. It IS just a game, but EW is in control of the narrative.

[spiral delta]

I agree they should stay in the game, Zen. I also agree that they should be treated with the utmost respect and taste.

[pallid frost]

I don't want them to remove Tigers or their drink zones, I just want players to respect them as much as EW does 😔

[worldly geode]

I think EW have done that with the greatest care. I think it would be a little unfair to suggest they have done otherwise. Exploits, modding, grinding and even cheating are all part of gaming culture and no game is immune to it. To be fair to EW, I believe they have been quite reasonable and swift in responding to the 'exploit' and what the issues you guys mention. Although, I think people will always find a way to exploit but these changes should work for the general player and rebalance overall gameplay.