FIX THE THREE LAKES

[uneven kite]

This is a EXPLOIT and needs to be fixed, maybe remove drink time? It takes all the fun out of. (THIS IS NOT MY CODEX) also. This was after many hours of grinding

That codex post makes me so mad

[hushed perch]

Holy….

[celest lily]

The conservation of endangered species at its maximum splendor 👌

[uneven kite]

Same, Lady legend discovered this exploit, makes me so mad, that codex post isn’t mine, my maps not done yet

[worthy fjord]

We getting extinct with this one bois

[red kernel]

To each their own. Couldn't care less about what other people do with their gameplay in a primarily single player game.

[raven ferry]

i don’t think it’s an exploit at all

[raven ferry]

it’s just how home ranges work

[uneven kite]

I get that, but the whole special thing with these is they are harder to grind, this takes away the fun

[raven ferry]

not necessarily

nobody has to hunt the 3 lakes and i certainly hope seeing other people use them doesn’t make it less fun for you as everybody can play how they want to

[uneven kite]

Look at the codex post, it’s 13 diamonds and a rare, in 13 in game hours

[red kernel]

It's a simple solution. If you don't like it then don't do it. How does someone else's trophies make your game play less fun? People out there have over 100+ great ones and thousands of diamonds. I'm still excited when I get 1.

[raven ferry]

someone just herd managed them is all probably or they just had low levels where they don’t hunt

but i can assure you with all the tigers i killed last night i only got 1 dime so i don’t think it’s quite as broken as you think for most people

[hushed perch]

Might get a singular diamond tiger tbh.

[uneven kite]

But this is because they are killing tigers every couple of minutes

[raven ferry]

then let them do it if they want to

[worthy fjord]

Does anyone know the specific lakes?? Cus it’ll be hard to find out for the devs which ones it is if we aren’t specific

[raven ferry]

lady legend has a vid on it

[devout sundial]

I have a female how do I get a male to my 3 lakes

[vagrant smelt]

Yall kill me saying things aren't a problem just because the game doesn't "force" you to play that way. It still affects the game as a whole. Tigers being killed like this at lakes is an issue. It literally makes jackasses out of the devs for that promise of tigers being so "RARE"

[lucid nest]

One way they could fix this is to make all the tigers in one homerange (but still spread them out) and add a few more tigers. Maybe make there be 24 tigers instead.

[uneven kite]

THANK YOU

[worthy fjord]

If something’s supposed to be rare it shouldn’t be this easy to get which is what most people seem to refuse to believe

[vagrant smelt]

I really regret buying this map now. This game is getting worse by the update.

[uneven kite]

WE GOT MEL TO REACT, THANK YOU SO MUCH

Next content creator, Flinter

[vast tide]

Or remove drink time

[hushed perch]

Not sure we’ve found that out yet (for those wondering, the three lakes are circled in white).

[vast tide]

It devalues trophies like crazy

[vast tide]

Skill issues

[sleek crypt]

Anyway, I've got 3 tents to set up...

[uneven kite]

But content creators are using it, they are ruining this map, the whole point of the tigers is there are limited numbers.

[vast tide]

Skill issue

[hushed perch]

Need money and a single diamond🤷‍♂️

[sleek crypt]

Smile.

[vast tide]

😒

[red kernel]

Prime example. I have 900 hours and got my first ever rabbit trophy today ( I don't keep anything other than rares and diamonds.) There's people out there with loads of rabbits. Did that make me feel like my trophy wasn't special? Heck no. I was super excited. If you work hard for your trophy and don't worry about what others do then it shouldn't matter. It doesn't devalue anything. This game is each players personal journey. That's my 2 cents. Stop comparing yourself to others and the game experience will be a lot happier.

[vast tide]

But when people put out 30 diamond tiger it devalues them a lot.

[uneven kite]

Yeah, but I don’t care what they have, I care they basically cheated to get it

[sharp mortar]

I don't feel like the map is ruined by other people playing this way. I don't like it and I would never. But by someone else getting a dozen diamonds in a couple real life hours, isn't going to make diamonds appear all over my map. For me, tigers are still rare and valuable.

[meager raft]

How anyone can look at this codex and think its not a problem is insane.

[sharp mortar]

I think it is a problem, that's not an issue. I don't like the way the game is being played at all, but I still feel like they have every right to play the game that way if that's what they want to do and it has nothing to do with me, the way I play or the value of anything I do on my own.

[red kernel]

The codex picture is the result of a perfect storm. Herd management, home range was figured out, and 16 Tigers. That codex Pic wouldn't be and issue if there were more than 16 Tigers. Herd managing such a low number of a species will result in a whole lot more diamonds. The home range isn't the issue alone, Herd management isn't an issue alone, and 16 Tigers isn't and issue alone. But when all 3 are combined this was the result. But like I said at the end of the day, idc what other people do because it doesn't affect me.

[uneven kite]

Doesn’t change the fact it’s possible

[red kernel]

We are going in circles. I'm going to go get my trophies and enjoy them regardless how others play the game. I've said my peace. Everyone happy hunting.

[uneven kite]

THANK YOU SO MUCH PRO XCK

[sleek crypt]

Do we know that the home ranges are exactly the same for everyone?

[charred karma]

They appear to be

[uneven kite]

THANK YOU SO MUCH GUN HUB GAMING

[heavy plank]

Why am I not surprised that LL would use a fkn exploit?!!!

[hushed perch]

Dunno.

[devout sundial]

It's ladylegend who wouldn't. But who tf said that it's an exploit it's just how the home ranges work you can do something like that for every species that drinks Ingame

[uneven kite]

Please look at this and tell me it’s not a exploit, 2 rares and 13 diamonds in a few in game hours in insanity

[devout sundial]

The rares are by luck and the diamonds are by something called herd Management. The only thing you can do with the 3 lakes is just do faster kills as you know where the tiger might be but you can do the same with most other species as I said

[uneven kite]

The whole point of tigers is to be elusive, this takes away from it

[devout sundial]

It's just how respawns work in this fricking game get over it you will always find a way to max or grind some species

[vagrant smelt]

It was silly to buy into the whole "rare" thing for the tigers after all. I gotta say with the amount of hype surrounding the thing I'm more than underwhelmed. Straight snake oil.

[uneven kite]

But if they take it out, it won’t be as easy, fine with me

[devout sundial]

Do what you want I don't see the reason, people will find new "exploits" like this unless they completely change the respawn and home range system of the game

[uneven kite]

If it was like classic the game would be perfect

[sleek crypt]

Are the people who exploit the game complaining about people exploiting the game?

[uneven kite]

How do I exploit the game? Cause I don’t even know how!

[sleek crypt]

Do you grind?

[uneven kite]

No, I’ve been playing since 2018 and only have 7 diamonds, no G1s and a few rares

[devout sundial]

You need to either replay very little or do something pretty wrong to only have 7 diamonds in 6 years

[uneven kite]

I play quite a bit, I really just play for fun and with freinds, and most of the time I give them trophies

[sleek crypt]

7 diamonds? Eesh. I don't grind and I get at least one per week.
Anyway, I'm just teasing but my comment doesn't apply to you.

[devout sundial]

Thats what I find in a couple weeks diamond wise just running and guning or looking drink zones or in 1-3 days of grinding. Not saying that your play style is wrong if you enjoy it just really seems weird.

[uneven kite]

I get trolled a lot, EC alone I have 9

[devout sundial]

I agree I already have 2 trolls and 1 diamond on new map at least I got some more rares

[uneven kite]

My Wi-Fi is trash, I’ve been updating COTW for over 24 hours and it’s only at 50%

[devout sundial]

Holy guacamole

[sleek crypt]

Well, I've got a level 2 female in my triangle and I'm assuming it spawns another female.

[sonic breach]

This isn't true at all. The intention of diamonds, rares and Great Ones is just that - to be rare. Not everyone has the best RNG luck or hunts purposefully for the biggest rarest trophies. #kindnessfirst

[distant aurora]

Its interesting to me how we can look down on mods while at the same time we praise exploits as a perfectly acceptable way to play ..... I really see very little difference in the 2 ...

[sleek crypt]

Same. Both, but I don't object to people using either. I'm actually quite fascinated with the whole culture of modding and how some game companies embrace it.

[jolly mica]

This is not a bug, tiger population are very low so heard management is very very easy on them(most easy than any other animals) so grind and finding Diamond is not hard.

[limpid lynx]

gonna start using the 3 lakes

[red kernel]

To those who call it an "exploit" try "clever use of the games mechanics"

[sleek crypt]

I've been casual playing 15 months, no grinding. I have 9 diamond lions.

[sage bison]

The line between the two is very blurry sometimes

[distant aurora]

Injecting outside code into a game to force the game client to spawn numerous dimes and G1's could also be looked at the same way ... Just clever use of game mechanics or clever use of weakness in the games design .....

[distant aurora]

why not DL a mod ... its much easier ....

[red kernel]

And yet at the end of the day it's a single player game where it really doesn't matter. I play for me. Nobody else. If Johnny wants to spawn himself 5000 GO that's on Johnny. Idc what they do. There's no advantage to be had in a single player game.

[limpid lynx]

You must be fun at parties

[distant aurora]

I know I may be sanctioned for even mentioning that 3 letter word here on the official discord ... But that's just how ridiculous this is ....

[sleek crypt]

Cringe

[distant aurora]

I don't endorse exploits any more than I endorse mods .... both are equally harmful to the game .....

[limpid lynx]

It’s called using a game mechanic to your advantage. Not an exploit

[distant aurora]

rationalize it all you want ....

[limpid lynx]

You the typa guy to think HM is an exploit aren’t you

[sleek crypt]

Okay, calm down Buzz. JJ is a sound guy. He just has a different opinion to you.

[distant aurora]

its borderline but since EW has offical said its not then it's their game .... We haven't heard from EW on this situation and until then Yes I say its an exploit ....

[limpid lynx]

I’m not at all angry

[sleek crypt]

Then no need for the insults then. 😉

[limpid lynx]

Never insulted him 😐

[red kernel]

Op already said they only have 7 diamonds in 6 years. That's all I need to know as to why this post was made. Also nobody can give a legit answer as to how somebody else's trophies somehow makes the game less fun for you. Ibuy has way more g1 than me. Doesn't make it any less fun for me when I get one. Comparing your trophies to randoms on the internet is a personal problem imo.

[distant aurora]

Buzz is cool no offense taken .... I' got to take off ... I'll check in later

[limpid lynx]

Cya

[sleek crypt]

Exactly, I've been at this for two hours and I'm already bored with this 'exploit'. Not my kind of fun. Everyone play how you want. It's your game. You paid for it.

[sonic breach]

Did you multiplayer hop? Just curious. You can earn diamonds and rares more quickly if you do that.

[red kernel]

Exactly. Like if they had hunting tournaments and competitions I would understand. But it's not that deep. Don't like grinding, don't do it. Don't like hm, don't do it. Don't like 3 lakes strat, don't do it. Hot take- Mississippi is my favorite map. I know it's not liked by most people, but guess what idc. I don't go telling them they are wrong. Play and let others play. It's crazy to me how blown out of the water this is.

[sleek crypt]

All solo. I just like lions for credits. Easy kills and loads of money. But switching to crocs more recently.
Multiplayer is broken on Xbox. Tried again yesterday but it just messed up my save files. Such a shame.

[limpid lynx]

Huh my save files are fine

[sleek crypt]

Xbox?

No crashes. Disconnects?
I lost a legendary lion spawn yesterday because MP wiped 4 hours of gameplay. Same again today. Never touching MP again.

S or X?

[limpid lynx]

S

[sleek crypt]

Hmm. Maybe its just an X thing. Almost daily complaints in the Support channel about it.

[sonic breach]

Isn't shooting lions over and over a type of grinding though?

[sleek crypt]

You could consider it as credit grinding, I suppose. Not quite the same as grinding for diamonds and GOs. Also, I kill indiscriminately, both sexes, all levels. The diamond spans are incidental. My overall kill count of all species per week is about 150. A grinder would easily be over 1000.

Jaxy always says if you kill enough of one species, however fast or slow, you'll eventually start spawning diamonds. He's not wrong.

[sonic breach]

I mean, the game is essentially built around the concept of grinding, whether it's fast or slow. Congrats on the diamonds!

[limpid lynx]

It just depends on how you wanna play. I still get a rush grinding for tigers

[nocturne sail]

People here are saying that it does not matter if someone can hunt so many tigers in the game. Well it is, some people are trophy hunters, they find that hunting rare animals is cool, getting really big animals is cool, getting excited for something that is rare. If big animals can be optained so easily it takes away from the experience. Just by saying: "Well don't play the grinding game" is a bit iffy because yes, you can, but trophys overall will decrease in value. You won't feel lucky when you know in the back of your head you can get them way easier. By saying: Just dont play the grinding game you are looking past the point people are making here....

[subtle trench]

This is just a symptom of how need zones work and how they make animal behavior so predictable. I would delete drink times for tigers, if it was for me, but there are people that enjoy grinding too.

[severe plover]

Should the drinking area for the tiger be removed?

[lucid mica]

If most people are implying the three lakes be removed from the game and most likely the instant respawn glitch, then it would take possibly hours irl to "legitemately" get a rare tiger with the 16 tigers per home range. In my opinion people should not be getting upset at other people's gaming expeirence either, if u are upset with some one else using an "exploit" then that is a personal opinion.

[vagrant smelt]

It's crazy how people see can't see how exploits destroy game balance. They're just gonna keep saying "you don't have to use it" We might as well let it go fellas. Grinding is how the devs want this game to go. Immersive hunting dies more and more with each update. TheHunter is dead and TheGrinder sits in its stead. It's obvious like a frying pan to the face.

[vagrant smelt]

Yeah grinders seem to think that grinding and all its features and influences have no spill over in the community or in game balancing. Who tf wants to pain over animals when in the back of your mind you know you don't have to? Perfectly said That's the part everyone really takes issue with. We can hate HM but accept it. It's when that part of the community starts harping about making things even EASIER when this game is already brain dead easy and then tell use "just don't play it that way" like adjusting home ranges and drink times just absolutely couldn't affect the immersive hunters experience. . It's legit the most heavy handed double standard in the whole of the feedback threads.

[nocturne sail]

Completely agree, a simple way to eliminate this is just to set fast traveling limit to once per 4 in game hours. Game fixed. People will again, track, stalk, time their hunts and this is how hunting used to be! @vagrant smelt , complely agree my man. One of the reasons i do not use tents.

[vagrant smelt]

I use tents but I don't HM. It's just crazy how I have to create artificial difficulty for myself in a game designed to emulate an already difficult activity. It's just getting tedious and boring at this point. That's the whole reason I hate time specific zones. In hunting unless you got cameras, feeders or a stand sitting on top of a bedding location; You'll never know where animals are at any given time. I get its an arcade type game too but is ALL realism just gone at this point? Tbh the HM system legit makes most skills in the game completely irrelevant too. Why do I need the skill to track an animal I can literally teleport on top of? yall handed me an intenerary of all their daily activites I know exactly where to go I don't even need to know how to track. In a hunting game. Tracking isn't necessary in a hunting game. Let that sink in. Everyone let that sink in.

[devout sundial]

I love that

[finite rapids]

The game has evolved with the way that the majority of people find enjoyable. People find it WAY more fun to put in some time and effort to set up grinds in order to increase the success of their hunts. The old way of playing the game hasn’t been removed. It’s simply been outclassed. If you’re upset about grinding, it’s not because you aren’t able to hunt naturally anymore. You are upset because hunting naturally isn’t the most successful way to play the game anymore.

[worthy fjord]

It’s not more so a removal but a fix of something that’s causing them to respawn indefinitely there

[distant aurora]

The game has "evolved into what its is because the devs have allowed it to "evolve" in that way by catering to the grind ..... The most popular trophies in the game can only be gotten through grinding, through exploits , and mods .... Why should people expect to be able to hunt naturally in a hunting game and achieve success as you say ???

[worthy fjord]

Exactly, I bought this game to hunt not grind like a COD sweat

And it was always meant to be a hunting sim game, not one of those big buck hunter arcade games

[finite rapids]

Saying the only way to achieve certain trophies is through grinds is just blatantly dishonest. It is 100% possible to obtain all trophies in game without hardcore grinding. Grinding just speeds up the process.

[worthy fjord]

Not all of us have time to devote to grinding to begin with

[noble summit]

[ Disclaimer: I like a more fluid natural hunting experience by still-hunting / tracking and occasional ambushing. ]

If your complaint boils down to a content creator that is known and open about grinding is grinding still, then I have no tissue for these issues.

Less spawns means a more simplistic grind apparently, no surprise there. Not a surprise for anyone I’ve talked to in the last several months.

Think about it.. You seriously think nobody in E.W. saw this coming, of course they did.

I remember thinking this months ago, reducing numbers of species to make room for more species is acceptable for this current engine, even if gets Moneyballed.

The buzz and controversy does help the game regardless so, please by all means continue..

[sleek crypt]

Well, I've just tried this mini grind..
It's no more of an exploit than what any form of grinding is. It uses the exact same mechanics and methods. I don't have an issue with grinding so I don't have an issue with this. However, it is boring as hell, for me.
This map is so awesome, I want to explore and experience it all. My day will begin with a couple tiger kills in the morning, then yaks and after, water buffalo. And everything else that gets in my way. This map is too much fun dodging and outrunning charging yaks and water buffalo to focus just on tigers.
BUT if you just want to shoot a million tigers for those rares, more power to you. Have at it and have loads of fun!
❤️ 🐯 ❤️

[finite rapids]

W mindset. Don’t base your fun on what others are doing!

[sleek crypt]

Seriously. They know what they're doing - remaining competitive in the market. Tigers will keep them at the top.

Like many, I have both of the top two quality hunting games. Yet I'm 95% in this one, despite all it's bugs and cranky old system. These devs definitely know what they're doing.

[covert berry]

I think in order to fix this they have to remove drink zones, and I don't think that's an easy task overall, becaue it could end up ruin the tiger mechanics in the coding, so this might take some time until it happens

[nocturne sail]

Since it's such a topic nowadays, i wonder if any of the devs do discuss this with the team? Has the topic 'rework needzones, to be not a grind worthy experience' be concerned? Is this a hot topic in the workspace? @queen coyote , maybe you can tell us 🙂

[queen coyote]

Grinding, finding the most efficient way to get rare trophies, or whatever you want to call it is a prevalent topic among the devs. We know it's a very polarizing topic in our community as well - if it wasn't we probably would have taken some steps a while ago. That being said, I do not have any answers for you today on how or if we're going to address the recently discovered tiger grinding technique. We're going to investigate this further on our side, but it will take time.

[sonic breach]

With this mentality we might as well be ok with hacks and mods. The developers THEMSELVES said they carefully crafted the tigers to promote a conservation message that embodies them being rare and precious. If they walk back on that now, then there's no masking the hypocracy. I'm sorry... admittedly, I am a hybrid player (grind for G1's only, casual play mostly) but this is a step too far, imo.

[nocturne sail]

I understand, and thank you for the quick response. It is good to hear that you are aware of the people who love the grind and of the people who would like a more hardcore experience.

[sleek crypt]

Can I suggest a poll on it? Not now but sometime in the future.
Anyway awesome map. Best yet. Tigers are incredible, grind or no grind.

[red kernel]

Grind players are saying "you play how you want to play, I'll play how I want to"

Emersion players are saying "remove the ability to grind"

Players looking for emersion have all the tools in the game to make that happen. You can turn POIs off your map, you can sit in stands and call, you can creep and abush hunt, and many more, it's all there in the game. You don't HAVE to hunt drink zones. How is destroying a huge player base and majority of your content creators version of the "fun" way to play a solution? There's more than 1 way to play the game.

[celest lily]

Removing its drink zones would fix everything, since it is the only ​​"predictable" need zone , with the others there is no problem since when you hunt it the icons will disappear and another one is generated in a new, different place

[sleek crypt]

Sort of. I'm a casual emersion player. But yes, I agree. Everyone play how they want.

[distant aurora]

Organic hunters are not asking for the grind to be removed .... we realize its too deeply embedded in the game for that to happen... We are asking them to remove exploits and not just wave a hand and say well its okay because we dont know how, or those exploits are too hard to fix ... Also Organic hunters are asking for other ways to get trophies in this game without having to grind .... Not replacing the grind ..... we already have a thread on this with some good ideas ....

[lilac brook]

Hey this is my codex picture, I dirty grind them which is why codex looks like that, you can have your codex look like this with any animal

I only pick up rares/diamonds, codex only counts kills you pick up

[sleek crypt]

Why don't you harvest the rest?

[lilac brook]

There’s no need to, it respawns the same.

[sleek crypt]

Do you taxidermy all those diamonds?

[red kernel]

I'm not gonna scroll thru the whole thread but here is a prime example from not that long ago.

"Completely agree, a simple way to eliminate this is just to set fast traveling limit to once per 4 in game hours. Game fixed. People will again, track, stalk, time their hunts and this is how hunting used to be! complely agree my man. One of the reasons i do not use tents."

This has nothing to do with exploits or making other ways for organic hunters to get trophies. This is 100% just to stop players from grinding. This is the type of stuff I am commenting about.

[lilac brook]

Yes.

[sleek crypt]

Do you use mods?
Don't say which ones if you do.

[lilac brook]

Ngl people going crazy on this and not on the 4 lake method on bears (which is the same exact thing taking advantage of the respawn point) is very surprising, you care more about a diamond/sr grind then a go/sr/diamond grind

@sleek crypt no, im a ps5 player no mods

[distant aurora]

I would agree with the fast travel limitation but you realize that will kill grinding and would get extreme backlash ... I agree it would fix a lot of issues

[sleek crypt]

I'll DM you later about that bear method. 😂

[lilac brook]

If anything the bear method is a lot better than the tiger since you don’t need to main menu after each kill and you ca get 30+ kills per run giving you a 100+ kills per hour, compared to this tiger grind where you’re getting 1 kill before having to exit to main menu if you average 1 kill per minute (which is a very 50/50 thing to do since your relying on game not freezing, not picking up kills, load times, ect) that’s still only 60 per hour most players probably average roughly 55-60

[worthy fjord]

What map is this method on?

[lilac brook]

Srp, has been around for months by now

[worthy fjord]

I didn’t even know that existed

[lilac brook]

I’d think that would be worse than this since it includes a g1 and a sr

[sonic breach]

This!

[lilac brook]

The game ain’t meant to be 100% realistic hence why shooting a animal gives it a chance to spawn bigger, game is more arcade. You make it where you can only fast travel once per 4 hours in game, then a bunch of people complain. Tbh this is probably the best way for it to be when it comes to tents. If you wanna use them, use them, if not don’t.

No reason to make it “play like me or don’t play at all😡”

[nocturne sail]

This is my quote, and i stand by what i said. Yes it does influence trophy's, i also said in that post or some post above: "If you get a rare or diamond animal it will be less cool, because in the back in your head you know that you could have had 10 more of those trophy's but grinding which is not a hunting strategy at all. It takes away the fun because your trophy is less valuable, less something to be proud of.". As you said, it has nothing to do with this specific exploit but with the way the game mechanics work in the first place. Some people are also in for a remove of need zones, i don't think this is really neccisary because need zones make up for a hunting stragety, you can plan your hunt which i.m.o is a cool mechanic.

[covert berry]

I swear if removing drink zones messes up the Agression mechanics somehow I'm gonna blame y'all 😂 cause I don't mind couple of folk grinding them like this as long as I'm not doing it

[lilac brook]

Grinding makes a trophy less valuable to the person that grinds them, if I show a casual player a sr reindeer, they might think it’s sick, if I show a guy who grinded them and has 12 of them they’ll probably just be like “cool how many kills”

You could simply not grind them and be happy knowing you got one casually

[zealous bane]

Is there ever going to be a time we’re people don’t complain about this game?

[covert berry]

The only reason grinding ever came to the game is because EW failed at having content creators.

[lilac brook]

No, grinding will be apart of almost every game that has trophy’s. People grind platinums on almost every game you can think of, grind currency in almost every game

[worthy fjord]

Idk how that would affect aggression

[covert berry]

Exactly, idk either, but changing something in coding has a HIGH chance on affecting on something else in coding

[nocturne sail]

To comment on this: I think we have a mixed problem. Lets say they would introduce the 4 hour limit on fast traveling. I would be happy about it, because my trophy will really feel like a trophy. Also, when i play this game the old fashion way i feel like i am not seeing much animals from time to time. Why? Need zones, animals are bound to it. When i walk near certain places i see lots of animals, different species. When going to another area to find something, i might see nothing at all because the animals are at zones. By removing zones, animals distrubution in the map would be more washed out, and would be a better hunting experience. (for me)..

[lilac brook]

Then play a realistic hunting game, this is a arcade type game, in real life shooting a big buck won’t make a bigger buck spawn

[nocturne sail]

But in the end it all comes down to opinion, i just like taking things slow, hunting the old way, and some people just want to get results and shoot stuff. Opinions will always be different for people. I hope EW will in the future introduce something as 2 modes, like it is now, or with a more dynamic template like described above. @red kernel , no hate btw, totally respect your opinion.

[worthy fjord]

The game never launched as an arcade game

[lilac brook]

It’s a more arcadey style my fault. If you think the game is going for realism idk how to tell you

[red kernel]

The issue here is you are comparing your trophies to other people's trophies. I grind but I also just run around and play as well. My trophies are MINE. Nobody can take away the hard work I put in to get them. Same goes for you. It shouldn't affect how you feel. And if you compare your trophies to mine then that is a personal issue. My trophies mean nothing to your hard work, just the same as yours mean nothing to mine. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder friend.

[lilac brook]

If you sit there and compare everything then no matter what you get you’ll always feel as if it’s not a trophy

[celest lily]

Everyone says that it doesn't matter that grinding takes away the value of the trophies, but when someone proposes another way to get a GO without grinding everyone gets offended and says "that would take away the value of the trophy" xD

[red kernel]

Totally. I'm all for a good debate. No ill intentions or nothing like that. At the end of the day it's a video game.

[lilac brook]

Grinding takes away the value of that trophy for the grinder, but either way you are still doing work for that animal, a go without any work is just a free animal and would actually mean nothing. It could be just a normal diamond if you do no work for it then it’s not really a trophy

[finite rapids]

Let’s say they added an easier method for non grinder to get the top tier trophies. I can guarantee that us grinders will find a way to use it to our advantage and still get more trophies than the non grinders. And then the non grinders will start complaining again. The non grinders really seem to me like they are only upset because they don’t get as much success as the grinders.

[lilac brook]

Grinding doesn’t take away the value of a trophy but if the game gave everyone a bunch of free whitetail great ones, then it’s not that valuable because everyone got it for free.

[celest lily]

It's more frustration than annoyance, most organic hunters* don't agree with the lake grinding method*, but if they don't they can't get a GO, because there is no other method.

[lilac brook]

I’m assuming you mean the 4 lake method for bears? You can get a go without using any strategy at all, hunt the whole map for bears,

[celest lily]

Never, ever did anyone propose that they give them away for free, they proposed ANOTHER method

[red kernel]

This argument I'm fine with. Punishing grinders isn't the solution tho. Devs creating another method is.

[lilac brook]

If it’s a story go then it’s immediately less valuable as you aren’t putting it as much time and it’s a guaranteed spawn

[celest lily]

They should not be punished, they should continue with their method, after all it is the way they like to play, but those who do not like that way do not get the "best trophy" in the game..
There are no options

[finite rapids]

This is a stance that I see many organic players take and it’s just blatantly untrue. You can 100% obtain every trophy in the game organically, there’s NOTHING preventing you from doing so. Don’t be mad just because your method will take longer than someone else’s.

[worthy fjord]

Reminds me of the Mr black exploit a few years ago when the GO bears were added where instead of a pretty big diamond black bear it would be a GO instead

[lilac brook]

Exactly, the whole point of “grinding” something is to get it as fast as possible, if you don’t like it taking longer and want to use the method? Sure go ahead but don’t sit and cry about it later

[finite rapids]

It’s like complaining that the elevator is more efficient than the stairs lol

[red kernel]

See you are making sense in my eyes. But I have seen arguments of "remove drink zones", "remove all need zones", "limit the ability to fast travel", etc.. those are the punishments I'm talking about. But if it's just wanting a different method for non grinders then I'm all for that.

[celest lily]

You see? For you that takes away value but what you do does not.
But for some people grinding does detract from value...

It changes with each person's point of view

[red kernel]

Hot take off the top... why not have events like double go chance weekend or something. That could increase odds of casuals getting a go without the asterisk that a mission go would have.

[lilac brook]

There is options, not doing the method, you can simply hunt all the lakes for the bears or hunt the ones you want to hunt, whatever you want to do, you can go and bow hunt until one spawns it doesn’t matter. There is plenty of other options besides the things grinders do, it’s just a classic “unfair it takes longer”

[lilac brook]

That would definitely make the issue worse I’d think sure it’d give casual players the chance but it’d also allow grinders to farm go’s like crazy.

It would just circle back to this.

[lilac brook]

It takes away value because then everyone has it. Same way if everyone in the world had 100million of their currency, it would decrease the value of their currency. The reason grinding doesn’t take it away is because not everyone technically has it there’s still plenty of non grinders out there casually hunting

[red kernel]

I feel like there's this stigma that non grinders think grinding is just easy. Let me tell ya. Shooting 13k deer before that roll of the dice hits to spawn a go is no easy task btw. There is still hard work and dedication that goes into a grind.

[celest lily]

That's why I say, that's your point of view, for others it's different.

[sleek crypt]

Err. Who's saying that? 😂

[red kernel]

There has been several that called it easy, not real hunting, target practice, etc. It still takes loads of hours. It's not like a person is spawning a go every single day. More times than not it's still thousands of kills. This whole debate is simply based off people comparing themselves to others tho. And we are all human. There is no solution. No matter what someone will be unhappy.

With that. I'm off to work. Happy hunting people.

[sleek crypt]

I've never seen anyone call it eaay.

[distant aurora]

We always use terms that can be subjective. To some people easy means not difficult in concept but very time consuming, repetitive and a boring way to play....grinding is not real hunting and can be considered target practice .... I mean a lot of people like to grind because it is a repetitive pursuit that can be done with a minimum of effort other than the time envolved ...

[limpid lynx]

Simple suloution for this is just play way of the hunter if you don’t like grinding

[distant aurora]

It may come to that or some other game at some point ....

It's good that HCOTW has some competition now ....

[limpid lynx]

Most people don’t mind grinding so no I don’t really think so. All I’m saying is if you don’t like it, don’t do it

[sleek crypt]

Or don't grind.

[limpid lynx]

Or just play the game how you want..

[distant aurora]

I don't think you can say most people don't mind it ..... I think the jury is still out on that consensus

[sleek crypt]

We agree.

[limpid lynx]

Iv seen less people complain about grinding than people who do it

[distant aurora]

I will admit that EW thinks that the majority of players like to grind ... maybe while they cater so much to that playstyle

[sleek crypt]

Also, WOTH's daily player statistics are a tenth of COTW. They are not a threat,

[limpid lynx]

Just play WOTH if you don’t like grinding. That’s the game I play when I just wanna casually hunt

[sleek crypt]

But you dont have to grind on COTW

[distant aurora]

Not at the moment ... have not tried WOTH as of yet but been thinking seriously about here lately

[meager raft]

You guys are straying away from the main issue here. The problem is someone farmed 14 STRAIGHT trophies using this “Three lake method”. The most efficient HM grinds for other species won’t give those results. If it were up to me, I would remove their drink time, but EW should at least change how tigers spawn making diamonds spawn less despite HM and lower the chance of getting a rare. Remember we’re not getting another map for another year do you really want to get every trophy in a week?

[sleek crypt]

I'm using this method now and I have no diamonds or rares.

[limpid lynx]

Me too

[hardy stirrup]

They could've just been only claiming the diamonds if it was 14 straight in their codex

[sleek crypt]

I think people may be blowing this all out of proportion, tbh. LOL

[hardy stirrup]

No way 14 diamonds are spawning in a row

[meager raft]

look at the time between each kill these spawn in a row

[sleek crypt]

I've got ef all.😂

[lilac brook]

Are you talking about the codex picture

[meager raft]

Yes the thing that sparked this whole thread in the first place

[sleek crypt]

How many tigers in total did you kill?

[lilac brook]

^^^^

[limpid lynx]

Somehow my mythical cats are spawning as 6’s now

[lilac brook]

215 today 598 total

[hot prairie]

[limpid lynx]

Do you have to fast travel to and back from a spot to get a cat to spawn? That’s been my issue

[lilac brook]

That’s only if you spawn in on the zone the cat is at, (when I say spawn in I mean clicking continue and being at the zone)

[hardy stirrup]

Idk I just think it should be left as is like someone mentioned already you can play how you wanna play

[sleek crypt]

Well there you go folks. Those seem fairly normal.

[limpid lynx]

Yeah

Tigers pay good money tho.

[meager raft]

Well Ill admit I didn't see that and it makes me feel a little better about this whole thing. I still wish they were a little more rare.

[lilac brook]

That’s very fair

[limpid lynx]

Once I get my first tiger trophy ima go after yak

[finite rapids]

The player that achieved that codex already explained that it wasn’t consecutive trophies. Tigers that he killed that weren’t gonna be diamond or a rare, he didn’t claim. Therefore, they don’t show in his codex. He killed many tigers in between those trophies. They were not back to back spawns.

[sleek crypt]

500+. A typical grind

[finite rapids]

Well my bad, should have read through the rest of the chats first. Whoops

[sleek crypt]

All good. I cant remember the exact number and too lazy to look.

[sage idol]

Does anybody realise that the people complaining about this "problem" are the ones who are making it a problem, why can't people just allow people to play how they want to play simple as that most grinders I've talked to are chill asf and are fine with grinding and casual gaming meanwhile casual players are the ones complaining

[sleek crypt]

it turns out the guy was just doing a typical grind and only harvesting the one rare and the diamonds. He killed well over 500. It's exactly the same ratio as me but I take 3 weeks to get there. I've spent all day doing that method but I only have about 12 tiger kills and no diamonds. It's not quite the exploit people are making it out to be. Today was a whole bunch of hysterics because people assumed things from half the truth that was portrayed in that picture.

[vagrant smelt]

There was literally no point in making the tigers the way they are just to turn around and give them a drink time. It's hard to be intimidated by something when I know where it's gonna be.

[sleek crypt]

You only play the reserve during the tiger's drink time? 😂 🤣

[vagrant smelt]

Yeah youre hilarious. No smart-ass but I do know if I hunt during that time I'm in no danger.

[lilac brook]

Okay but that’s for everything
If I hunt during lions drink time I’m in no danger
If I hunt during gator eat time I’m in no danger (as long as I stay inland)

[sleek crypt]

It's 3 hours of 24 hours. Nope. I can't join you in your misery. 😂

[vagrant smelt]

The tiger was marketed as a "constant threat". If there's 3 of 24 I'm not being hunted then it's not a constant threat. Also it's not for everything because the tiger is the only once to actively seek yoi out.

[lilac brook]

Lion.

Yep your right, tigers don’t drink they actually just wait until it rains

[sleek crypt]

This person is for real though. Ahahahaahaa! 🤣 😂 🤣

[lilac brook]

Well let’s not make fun of them it’s a feedback chat if that’s how they feel that’s how they feel

[vagrant smelt]

I guess Tahr do too huh? And rabbits? Its not like they'd be the only ones without a drink zone. It'd be in like with how they are marketed. I don't see what's so funny about it.

[lilac brook]

Your right and everyone loves how tahr don’t have a drink zone.

[sleek crypt]

Ursafell. Is there anything in this game that does make you happy? You seem to be upset a lot of the time.

[lilac brook]

@vagrant smelt you feel your way that’s fine, I’d recommend making your own feedback post so others who might feel the same can agree, who knows maybe they will change it, never know.

[sleek crypt]

Yes, this is completely off topic anyway.

[vagrant smelt]

It doesn't matter what everyone loves. The devs never do anything that "everyone" loves. It's every time this game has any animal that can't get slaughtered by the hundreds per day, everyone complains. Any update that adds challenge, it's compained about. I complain about wanting some realism and get jumped on.

[lilac brook]

Well first issue is thinking this game went for realism, again if you don’t make a post then there is 0 reason to sit and cry in this post about it.

[vagrant smelt]

Its a feedback post. Seems like the only feedback welcomed is feedback that agrees. Not surprising. Legit every post on here contains debate. This one is no different.

[lilac brook]

It is a feedback post, however this post in particular is not the “I want tigers drink time removed” post, this post is about the 3 lake method. You are quite frankly ignoring everything I say and going “I want it my way”
You can debate on the 3 lake method all fine and dandy, but again there is 0 point of sitting here and complaining about something irrelevant

[sleek crypt]

No, this thread was about an exploitation that turned out not to be an exploitation.

[lilac brook]

I’m not tryna be rude to you, sorry if you feel that way, but if it actually bothers you make a feedback post about it.

[signal spruce]

The tigers rarely attack any way so why is this an issue? I've been hunting the bottom section of the map trying to get one to stalk me and haven't had a growl or anything. Seems the devs words were different from their design. This method seems to still be time consuming 500 kills for a few diamonds and a rare....people complain that tahr can't be grinded and that tigers can. Does the community even know what it wants anymore?

[lilac brook]

Very up in the air to say the least

[charred karma]

This community will never agree 100% on something because of the vast variety of ways people play

[lilac brook]

Because everyone has a different playstyle you don’t want another playstyle getting more support than yours

[worthy fjord]

I’ve gotten 19 kills and I got my first diamond

[limpid lynx]

Iv gotten close to 40 tiger kills now and only had like 6 mythical spawn 😔 also no rares

[worthy fjord]

Seems like it’s far too inconsistent to judge but it is almost guaranteed to get a diamond there

[limpid lynx]

Go to the middle and they will be aggressive trust me

Ngl the g1 should have been the tiger

[sage bison]

So the grinders could have a lodge full of Great One Tigers 😂

[limpid lynx]

Any g1 is grindable so it’s not like it matters

[thorny violet]

What’s this ‘exploit’ even supposed to be? I don’t have any tigers at those three lakes

[uneven kite]

Yes most grinders are chill, and I’m fine with grinding, just not when the whole point of the animal is to be elusive

[charred karma]

Especially when there is so much hype built off the rarity and exclusivity of the animal.... only for it to be grinded like your common ol' black bear

[uneven kite]

FLINTER DOESNT LIKE THE STRAT

[vagrant smelt]

"FLinTeR dOeSnT HAvE tO PlaY the game tHaT way" I'll go ahead and say it to save everyone some time

[sleek crypt]

Did you buy the DLC in the end?

[charred karma]

it appears most creators do not like the strat, a lot of the community don't, chances are it will be nerfed or changed somehow in the next update, but only time will tell

[hot prairie]

You say that but the chance of them fixing it anytime soon is very low

[sleek crypt]

It's quite ironic that people who make their careers on game manipulation are upset about game manipulation. All a bit glass houses if ask me. 😂

[charred karma]

not every content creator is a mass grinder

[hot prairie]

Like that rooster dude. Very odd playstyle

[charred karma]

He's against grinding in general, he just goes out and hunts and has a laugh, dont see anything weird about that

[sleek crypt]

The ones commenting on this 'exploit' are.

[hot prairie]

Yea just more my view on it looks like he has fun but it’s hard to not nitpick how inefficient he is so I just don’t watch

[charred karma]

valid point, however i am not one of those creators so if you do wish to debate with them about it please be my guest, I will be sitting on the sidelines eating my big bucket of popcorn

[sleek crypt]

You replied to me mate. 😂

[charred karma]

I don't understand that, but fair enough i suppose, i wouldn't watch something that made me constantly critique it either

[charred karma]

Yeah just about the content creator thing, i would quite like to see this whole situation officially addressed because having a rift in a games community is never a good thing, but EWs silence so far is quite surprising

[sleek crypt]

Ha! How long have you been on this Discord? There's always a rift over something every week.
Anyway, I was just noting the irony and mild hypocrisy of the thing and it amused me. Essentially, I don't care what content creators do. I'm just watching the grandstanding and it is funny as hell.

[charred karma]

I've been on this discord a while and I don't see rifts weekly, this is the first real divide other than the hm and non hm one I've actually seen. Tho i do agree that watching it unfold can be quite funny, the way some people just kinda devolve into yelling what's essentially "tiger lake bad rahhh" or "tiger lake good rahhh" 😂

[sleek crypt]

Well there was the bear reset. Admittedly, I was very vocal in that one. There's always been rifts over elephants and endangered and other things. Last week it was the price rise. I do think it is interesting that the people who were complaining about the price rise are now finding fault with everything about this DLC.

Personally, I think EW should ignore all of us and just do polls. Polls are very revealing about what the community really want. Not a bunch of loud mouths like me on here.

[charred karma]

The bear reset was definitely a positive change, polls would be a good idea but there's always the chance of some idiot using a bunch of alts to skew the poll in their favour

Price rise complainers, haven't really seen any of them so I can't make a comment on them but I'm assuming that seeing the hard work come with a slight increase in price just makes them break down sobbing, its a funny mental image that's for sure

[sleek crypt]

The polls usually runs into the thousands so I think they'll be okay with a few alt accounts. Don't go read the price ride thread. LOL

[tacit obsidian]

I agree polls are the way to go

[devout sundial]

It isn't easy I grinded the 3 days all day long with a friend both and we got only one rare in like 18 hours each of grinding this method so calling it easy rares is definitely wrong

[severe plover]

I want the lion to be more intelligent, elusive, and hard to locate like the tiger.

[hushed perch]

Definitely ain’t easy.

[subtle trench]

The first few times I've played in Vurhonga I believed lions stalked you like do tigers now. It was very scary but thrilling. I hope EW do some rework to them in the future

[sleek crypt]

Lions don't behave like tigers though. They're not really elusive creatures. They mostly just lay about all day. Very eaay to come across in any reserve.

[versed prairie]

Hey now, I may be odd, but you leave my playstyle out of this 😂

[versed prairie]

Inefficient? Pablo and I literally hunt every animal on a map, all vitals, in under 60 minutes 😭

[lilac brook]

In the end, play how you want as long as you have fun.

and your not modding ofc

[hot prairie]

Didn’t expect you to read that lmfao I feel bad now

[sleek crypt]

Mod if you want too. I don't care.

[quaint egret]

Exactly this- OP needs to stop witch-hunting everyone

It’s a hunting simulator not call of duty or counter strike

Who genuinely gives a hoot if people cheat or use exploits in this game, they gain nothing from it and put no one else at a disadvantage

You guys seriously have too much spare time on your hands if this is what gets you all worked up, find something fulfilling to do with your time instead. I don’t get this weird superiority complex that op and a few others have about people playing this game as they want. Just drop it, it’s pathetic.

[sleek crypt]

If they shut down tiger drink zones then there's always Ultimate Hunter on the way.

We were told tigers were having drink zones and I bought the DLC on that premise. Take it away and I'm going to be really pissed.

[sage idol]

Spoken like a true legend and 🐐

[sage idol]

Yo no way Rooster I've followed your channel for quite awhile now and I just wanted to say big fan 👌🤘

[versed prairie]

hahaha nah I don't take offence to these things, I'm only teasing ya

[uneven kite]

Hey , wassup rooster

[hot prairie]

The sky is up

[versed prairie]

Hi

[versed prairie]

Oh not too much. Making a thumbnail and eating dinner. Hbu?

[hazy salmon]

So you complain about how the way other ppl get trophys is an exploit in your opinion but you also give your trophys away to ppl that then literally dont have to do anything and just get a trophy for free. Interesting.

[uneven kite]

It’s on there map, and when I say “give” I play more of a guide role, I’ll hunt with them, find something, and let them shoot

@sonic breach just watched your video, you and me are on the exact same page, I appreciate you bringing to light the topic

[sleek crypt]

You should probably update your OP to explain that the codex image is from a typical grind of 500+ and only the diamonds were harvested. As it stands now, it is a little misleading.

[oblique lion]

Just saying other people using it doesn’t affect your map.

[sonic breach]

Thank you so much! I really hope they continue to investigate the situation and come to a viable conclusion.

[sleek crypt]

It's not broken. That image is misleading. I've been using that triangle for three days and only have one rare and no diamonds. Plus the triangle is also missing at least one more lake in that home range. I am getting no new spawns at those three lakes. This thread is about an issue that does not exist.

If you think an exploit exists please demonstrate your own example of it. If this exploit does indeed exists then it should be very easy for you to set it up in your game and then show it here with a codex image like that.

[sonic breach]

I have heard that the Three Lakes doesn't always work and doesn't work for everyone. But even if they don't use the Three Lakes specifically, players are water-need zone grinding for them regardless. I have seen plenty of evidence it works for lots of players, and people are blowing through their tiger populations fast to get the rare fur types. I am seeing it all over Facebook, where I am a mod. I know from the messaging put out by EW before the launch that this was not the intended outcome for the tiger. If it is, then the supposed "respect" they have for the animal stands challenged.

[sleek crypt]

I want to see YOUR evidence. Set up the exploit and prove it to us. No one complaining on this thread has shown their own proof.

Regarding your last comment. We were told that tigers were getting drink zones before the release. But this thread is about an exploit. An exploit I want to see you prove is true with your own personal evidence.

[deep rampart]

what needs fixed about them when its what they put in the game to slow down the grinders?

[candid bane]

What needs to be fixed?

[sleek crypt]

Nothing. That image is misleading.

[sleek crypt]

Are thinking of tahr or tigers?

[candid bane]

Why is it all you non grinders always complain about us grinders? People can play however they want just cause we get trophies and you get upset doesn’t mean things need to be “fixed”

[deep rampart]

tigers

[red kernel]

With all due respect I am going to challenge you here. You comment about the "respect" for Tigers and their conservation efforts. But then state in your video about how those who grind Tigers water down the trophies other players get through hunting them organically. You stance on this is ridiculously hypocritical. Just because player A grinds and gets a trophy faster than player B they BOTH are hunting the Tigers for a trophy. This is a game that relies on chance and probability to get trophies. Rare furs have a very low rate to drop. Regardless of whether you are grinding or hunting organically for those trophies BOTH players have the same chance to get one. This isn't an issue about respecting the animal. It's an issue that grinders are faster at achieving their goal when it comes down to it.

[sleek crypt]

Right. I don't think tigers will have any affect on them. Tahr will though. 😂

[orchid scroll]

if u dont like the exploit then dont use it

[candid bane]

Non Grinders get mad when grinders get great ones calling it not fair but never look how much time and effort us grinders put in, we spend weeks getting a grind set up and then go thousands of kills with no great one. And when we do get a great one non grinders get upset and complain to EW so what do they do? Make a great one with no drink zone and wanna know what’s gonna happen grinders will figure it out get a great one and non grinders will complain. While you non grinders complain we will be getting our trophies.

[deep rampart]

thats called hm and if u dont like it u have the other need zones to go hunt u dont have to grind u play the game how u want to play so if you ruin it you ruined it for your self we didnt.....

[red kernel]

The ridiculousness of it all is grinders are simply saying "play your way and I'll play mine" while non grinders are out here with torches and pitchforks wanting to end grinding. Fast way to kill the game imo. Hopefully EW realizes this.

[deep rampart]

everyone thumbs down this feedback bc its trash

[candid bane]

Grinders are gettting fed up with non grinders wanting to screw over us grinders

[sleek crypt]

I;m not a grinder. Most non grinders don't care about other people's games. Don't lump us all together.

[red kernel]

I've said it before. Whether you grind or not you still have the exact same probability at getting trophies and great ones. It's a roll of the dice. Grinders achieve their goal faster through efficiency.

[deep rampart]

okay 99% of yall do then

[sleek crypt]

A few hotheads here do not speak for the majority.

[candid bane]

Bull a good 90% of non grinders complain I have heard SOOOOO many non grinders call us cheaters for getting trophies.

[lucid nest]

I honestly don't think this is an exploit anymore after getting context on the screenshot. It just seems like a regular ol grind

[sleek crypt]

Nonsense. Stop stirring. 😂

[candid bane]

If it’s nonsense then why did the tahr not have a drink zone?

[sleek crypt]

I think we might talking about different things. I'm doing a hunt. Nit concentrating. BRB

[candid bane]

I’ll tell you why they don’t have a drink time it’s not cause EW magically decided it, it’s cause of how many non grinders complained and got upset.

[sleek crypt]

Yay! Different subject different thread. Jesus. 😂

[candid bane]

You’re right different topic and thread that was my rant.

[deep rampart]

it just dont need fixed bc they did it to thier self by adding this and that to the game not to say the fur rate was rasied alittle on the tigers bc there is only 16 of them and there is 9 furs and 1 common fur so ur chances is rasied

[sleek crypt]

And I f*cked up my shot! 😂

[candid bane]

But I wanna know what need to be fixed on the three lakes.

[sleek crypt]

Nothing. In the last ten minutes I have just proved in my own game that that home range is not formed of three lakes, It is actually at least 4. Now do I reveal 4th lake? I'm not sure, given these people are carrying on.
I'll be sleeping on it.

[red kernel]

At first people claimed it was an exploit. Now that they realize the screenshot was a dirty grind and all those diamonds weren't actually in a row now the argument have shifted to grinding is bad for the game and "not respectful" to the Tigers. The excuses will continue to pile up no matter what way you spin it. It comes down to grinders vs non grinders different views.

[candid bane]

I know nothing needs to be fixed I wanna hear from the person who made the post on what needs to be fixed

[candid bane]

For the 3 lakes you have to pick up your kills for the consistent respawn on the 3 lakes, if you don’t pick up they will bounce out.

[sleek crypt]

I'm just saying.
You won't get a rational answer from him. He has an agenda and refuses to update his OP with the context provided by the owner of that codex.

[red kernel]

The op has come out and said they have 7 diamonds in 6 years. AND the post has shifted to non grinders vs grinders. We can all see the motive behind the post.

[sleek crypt]

But it is not 3 lakes. Ladylegend has it wrong. It is at least 4.

[candid bane]

And where is the 4th?

[deep rampart]

i beg a differ

[red kernel]

I had a 4th lake AND they would also occasionally teleport to the river. Everyone's grind is a bit different yea.

[sleek crypt]

You guys need to stop with this us vs them. It's childish. 😂

[candid bane]

Can you send a picture of the 4thake?

[sleek crypt]

In what way? I've just done it between 4 lakes in the last half an hour. 😂

[sleek crypt]

Tomorrow. Its 4am. I'm going to bed. Good night folks!

[viscid cosmos]

As a non grinder, I've never been bothered by it. I believe that people should play the way they want to. Never really chased trophies or rares, what I always do is stalk some animals around. If this "three lakes" thing is really just grinding, I don't see why it'd be such a bad thing.

[deep rampart]

facts

[cold hatch]

The whole mentallity of anyone who gets upset about how someone else plays a game is basically the same mentallity that racists have. Not as extreme but basically the same type of thinking. EW had a whole year to make the tigers hard to get. Someone figured it out and now people are crying again because of how someone else chooses to play a game. The whole us and them stuff and division has all come from one side. I mostly grind and actually respect those who choose not to, I only wish the ones who hate on grinders were as open minded. I know it's not all non grinders but those who keep pushing the wedge in need to learn that it doesn't matter if some else is different.

[sleek crypt]

Because you all asked so nicely. The green outline shows the location of the fourth lake as part of LadyLegend's triangle .
*Please note that NONE of these are confirmed home ranges. They are my HM borders. *

[candid bane]

Now who figured that out and came up with the reasoning and proof?

[deep rampart]

lol that map is missing a lake

[cold hatch]

facts I see which one

[candid bane]

If someone is gonna make that homerange and hm borders at least have all the lakes.

[sleek crypt]

Which lake is missing?

[deep rampart]

🤣

[candid bane]

Yeah and non grinders have the mindset of “your grinder trophies devalues my trophy” if I have 3 diamond tigers from grinding the 3 lakes who is to say I don’t value those 3 diamonds how a non grinder devalues theirs. If a non grinder has that mindset they clearly don’t value that trophy enough.

[sleek crypt]

You asses 😂

[deep rampart]

left side

[candid bane]

It’s on the left side

[sleek crypt]

The background image is from ProXCK. My outlines are based on where I have found tigers and which lakes they're rotating on MY map. I couldn't find a blank map will replace it when I do.
Hope that makes sense. It will very likely expand when I do more kills.

[honest needle]

EW had 2 options, give the tigers respawn tendencies (home-ranges) and keep them seperate, or make it random and have them spawn on top of eachother regularly. Either way, with the population as such "grinders" will be able to hm with some work and rotate on large trophy tigers. Why do these trophies acquired through a video game strategy based on the intentional mechanics of a new update make you upset about your playing experience? Not to mention, bouncing tigers do not stay near the homeranges, if they do it's out of pure luck. Not that easy to find for everyone, as everyone's map IS different.

[candid bane]

Also where did you come up with those home ranges? Cause I’ve jiggled a tiger in the top left lake and he went to the far bottom right lake.

I know you said it isn’t confirmed I am just curious on how you came up with it

[sleek crypt]

Ignore home ranges. FFS. It's about the green outline, 😂

[candid bane]

I’ve had a tiger in one of the 3 lakes and he bounced out, he wasn’t at any of those 4 lakes and I had to look at almost all lakes just to find a tiger to shoot in.

Alright someone hop on my account and find my last 3 tigers for me.

[sleek crypt]

It could be 5 lakes. Or 6. We don't know. I found 4. Tigers will be where you find them.
My point is that these people are screaming about 3 lakes and it is all bullsh*t. A whole bunch of drama based on misinformation in their heads. The devs are probably reading all this and think we're all a bunch of idiots. They'll probably have a fat old laugh at my map in the morning. And so they should. 😂

[sleek crypt]

The devs do not have to do anything with the tigers. They are working just fine. Brilliantly, in fact.

[glossy shadow]

Tigers are working exactly as intended. They are one tiger per home range, period.

[minor stump]

Lets all complain about the thing that took a year to come out with, all the players are absolutely loving and should have everyone happy.... and remove bc people are more worried about my lodge than their own.... you hate it so much don't look! Stay in your own lodge! You should feel accomplishment for whatever you find, no matter how many other people have spawned it as well.... if you want the rarest trophy bc you're a "trophy hunter" then go get b the rarest trophies in the game

[cold hatch]

3 works just fine

[sleek crypt]

Zen's 4-lake tiger grind. Could actually be 5, 6, 7....

[sleek crypt]

If the tiger goes to the 4th lake, those 3 lakes are not going to do anything for you. Jesus. 🤦‍♂️ 😂

[cold hatch]

it has bounced out once in over 500 kiils. I simply shot it back in and only had to shoot it once to do so. I've done my fair share of grinding but laugh all you like

[hushed perch]

…If… If… the tiger goes to the 4th lake.

[sleek crypt]

We're good. I'm just messing. It bounced out under 50 for me. The map is for anyone who potentially loses their tiger. It also shows that the '3-lake exploit' is bs.

[sonic breach]

Thank you for offering your thoughts and perspective. I would like to invite you to listen to the segment in my video where Jaxy talks about the real world history of the tiger, how it was overharvested, and how the developers worked to demonstrate their thoughtfulness and care around that issue through the mission system. Then consider what grinding the tiger is doing to either support or fragment that message.

I don't take issue with grinding at all. I acknowledge many times in the video that it is a viable play style; that everyone is, in one form or another, grinding in the game whether they are aware they are or not. It's the base mechanic of COTW. I also really respect the work and amount of time it takes to set up a proper intensive grind (think HM) and execute it to success. I have done it myself for all three of my GOs. I think I am being unfairly grouped within the larger dialogue around casual vs. grinding gameplay. For me, this is about the tiger specifically.

What I take issue with here is the build up in messaging leading up to the release that implies that the tiger will be rare and difficult to find. On that note, would you please share with me where it was said that tigers would have drinking need zones? Obviously I missed that somewhere. I know it was never said exclusively that they wouldn't have water need zones, so it could be based on an assumption I had. In that case, I would own that. But I still stand by what I say that you cannot advertise an animal as rare and special, talk about how how overharvesting nearly destroyed them, then allow unmitigated population decimation and still say you have such respect for it. I feel for it to be tastefully done, it should not have been designed in such a way that allows such overharvesting to happen. Say what you mean, mean what you say.

[cold hatch]

I'm in daily contact with 12 people who are grinding tigers. Most of them have put in more kills than I have. But yeah I guesss I know nothing

[sleek crypt]

I didn't realise that we are arguing about something? I think we're getting our wires crossed. I just found the fourth lake and posted a picture of it hoping it would help others.

[candid bane]

No one said anything about arguing.

[sleek crypt]

"But yeah I guesss I know nothing" No one said this.

Okay, night all. Got to go.

[cold hatch]

Why does it make you "so mad"??? I think you really need to ask youself this question. Being angry at how someone else plays is actually ridiculous. It's a you problem and I sincerely hope you can get the help you need.

[cold hatch]

Who's arguing??? I was merely stating facts

[uneven kite]

It makes me mad because some of us will play for hours hoping for this trophy, wanting it to naturally appear and get excited about the hunt. The adrenaline of lining up a shot IRL and in the game can be similar, but when you kill 13 of them in a few in game ours, the thrill is gone, and I really hope some people agree

[sleek crypt]

You're off on a tangent about something. And normally I'd be willing to discuss whatever that is but it's very late for me here and I need sleep. Good night.

[candid bane]

How is it an exploit? An exploit is using a glitch we aren’t glitching the game for trophies at all we aren’t exploiting anything simply just getting trophies.

Does grinds like the tigers make your trophies feel devalued?

[uneven kite]

There’s a difference between grinding something like whitetail for example, whitetail are a whole lot more common then a tiger. And again, tigers whole thing is to be elusive and special, whitetail are one of the most common species out there, there’s a difference, think of all the time EW put into making the tigers perfect and elegant and elusive. All to be taken down by a way to grind them, and, in my opinion devaluing the trophy, if you don’t have the patience of waiting for that moment a rare tiger walks out, you need to get some.

[candid bane]

If a grind like tiger is making you think your trophy is devalued that seems more of a you problem and should value your trophies more than worrying about other peoples trophies, cause someone could have 50 diamond tigers and be as excited about each of them just like how you could be excited for your first.

[cold hatch]

And who says the way I hunt doesn't make me feel the same way? I have over 5k hours in the game btw. Every killi is a thrill for me and every kill is different. I've hunted irl for over 30 years, for food not trophies or adrenaline. Yes it can be exciting but here's the thing, my feelings are mine and your feelings are yours. If the way I play is not for you then that's fine by me. But again why get angry at how I play?

[candid bane]

My diamonds, rares, super rares, and great ones doesn’t affect you one bit, your trophies should mean something to you and not someone else’s diamonds, rares, super rares, and great ones. What exactly makes my trophy devalue yours? It’s a diamond just like everyone else’s it doesn’t make it more valuable or less valuable as long as it means something to me.

[cold hatch]

No I was just replying to your childish atempts to imply that I know very little about the tigers. Yes your little emotes are childish.

[sleek crypt]

Hey. I never suggested that at all. I was having a little banter earlier about some of your and Zua's comments about non-grinders. I was not offended and I did not mean offense. I posted a map of 4 lakes with regards to an earlier conversation that didn't involve you. You responded to it unaware of the context. I made a joke. Then it got weird about tiger knowledge and stuff. I'd tried to say it was all good. I'm sorry that you feel upset. Wasn't my intention. I'm actually on your side in this debate. Must sleep now.

[cold hatch]

I'm not offended and say what you like, it's obvious what you were trying to do. My convo with you never mentioned non grinders, only tigers. Please don't assume how I feel. Sleep well, good night

[red kernel]

We can agree to disagree on the morality of it. I get what you are saying and get what the devs said. But in the end if we got the same exact rate and it took me grinding 100 Tigers in a couple days to get a rare and someone organically hunting 100 Tigers over the course of a couple months to get their rare the end result is the exact same. Both players killed 100 Tigers to get their trophy. One way is just simply faster than the other. Both players are trophy hunting this protected species. One could argue this in and of itself for a species such as Tigers is morally wrong and distasteful.

Side note, everyone knows Africa 2.0 is a highly requested map with elephants and rhinos and such. I believe, again my opinion, Tigers are a test/stepping stone in that direction. It's a learning experience not just for the players but for the developers as well. But we players need to distinguish reality vs virtuality. After all it is a video game.

[sage bison]

Tigers are a massive jump from African elephant and rhinoceros species, both African Elephant Species and both African Rhinos can be legally hunted where as Tigers cannot be legally hunted, of course there was a proposal in Nepal a while back but nothing more came of it so tigers being illegal to hunt in all countries that have a population is still a thing

[storm stag]

@uneven kite if u dont like it then dont look in discord this game u play how u want dont try to stop other people play how they want to not anyone's problem but yours

[quaint egret]

This

[devout sundial]

Also that codex is propably from some body who only pics up diamonds and is an entire days worth of hunting you can get diamonds even much quicker with other species like fallow deer if you grind them

[hardy stirrup]

Yea I've been grinding tigers since I saw lady's vid about 3 lakes I'm about 300-500 kills in and only have 2 rares and 2 diamonds

[red kernel]

I'm not going to dive too deep into this as it's a little off topic of the op. This is misleading. Yes these species are able to be hunted legally but it is an extremely low number and primarily over aged bulls and it is to help conservation efforts. I know it sounds counter productive but some research can shed light as to why they can be hunted.

[sage bison]

In the case of Black Rhinoceros in Namibia there is a small quota for males under the following criteria: The black rhinos selected for trophy hunts are chosen on biological principles: rhinos are old, generally post-reproductive bulls, who may have a detrimental effect on the overall rhino population, by being aggressive or territorial. Removing a ‘problem’ individual may enable a higher growth rate for or greater genetic diversity of the population as a whole. Also how was my point misleading when elephants can legally be hunted in 8 Countries with both forest and savannah elephants being hunted in Cameroon and elephant hunting in Botswana having been reopened a few years ago, and both Black and White Rhinoceros being huntable in South Africa with special permits where as tigers cannot be hunted at all

[quaint egret]

Elephant culls happen every year and in the thousands…

[limpid lynx]

did you switch sides lmao?

[charred karma]

look, this whole massive argument, after I've given it lots of thought, is...kinda dumb

I get that tigers ARE meant to be a rare and elusive creature... but if EW put in a mechanic that caused tigers to be like a regular grind, then it's just people taking advantage of that right? Maybe it will be changed, maybe not, but we need to be respectful to eachother and not throw hissy fits about it on either side.

[sage idol]

Good words👆 ( this is not sarcasm )

The way I see HM and Grinding is simply figuring out how the system works and then using it to your advantage to be able to aquire something you want quicker and more efficiently

[strong salmon]

Sundarpatan is a great map. I had the most fun on Day 1 and Day 5:
-Day 1: Walked around stalking and waiting to be eaten by Tigers.
-Day 2: Rode the ATV to open the map. Are others not opening their map?
-Day 3: Tiger FOMO. Set up a little tiger grind. Hmm, just another drinking animal.
-Day 4: Felt dirty and disappointed - dismantled my Tiger Grind.
-Day 5: Nilgai and Barasingha hunting, with the thrill of impending Tiger attack. 🐯

[abstract plume]

It’s a game the same people complaining on either side of it if the game is up and running and not crashing who cares you don’t have to use the 3 lake method if it upsets you that much same as the people complaining about the Tahr no one said you had to grind for it the game is up the game is functioning keep it how it is

[south sphinx]

if you dont like it , DONT FRICKING DO IT, if you dont like other people doing it, IGNORE THEM, simple

[sleek crypt]

Huh. What side did you think I was on? lmao.

[south sphinx]

and anyway ew hasnt even comfirmed if its an exploit or not

[fervent nova]

I understand both sides of this issue: to me it seems what’s bothering the non grinders is the fact that the tiger were built up to be the animals that was going to be really tough to hunt and even killing a tiger was going to be a rare and coveted trophy (no matter what the score rating was to just get one would be tough). The fact that EW gave them drink zones, home ranges (and that there are so few of them) of course it opens the door for grinders to grind. And sure I’m not mad at grinders if you want to grind that’s fine I get it if you like to do it. But EW should not have built the tiger up as “one of the hardest trophies you’re ever going to get” if you’re just able to grind them. I think the best solution might be to give them no drink zone or kinda like how WOTH does it maybe they are at a drink zone but maybe not it’s a rare occurance to find them drinking (or they spook sooner if they get a scent of you or something). If they built this animal to be a challenging animal it needs to be a challenge to get and not make it super easy to grind.

[quaint egret]

Who actually cares

People getting up in arms of something utterly irrelevant

[sage idol]

Haters gonna hate hate hate

[sleek crypt]

I'm not a grinder and I'm not complaining. I've seen a very small number on both sides being very vocal. The vast majority of all players have no issue.
Drink zones were announced before the release so we knew what we were getting.
Making them spook sooner negates the stalking system, which is awesome. Improve your skills.
Thank god this game is not WOTH.

[quaint egret]

This

[hazy salmon]

Here they cry we can grind tigers and in other threads they cry tahr has no drink time and cant be grinded. A lot of these content creators for example, they are just hypocrites. Kinda reminds me once hm got figured out and suddenly content creators who where best buddies couldnt stand eachother anymore. Thats just a lot of nonsense put together by ppl with to much time on their hands.

[limpid lynx]

Anti 3 lakes

[sleek crypt]

What? No. Not at all. Maybe I mistyped something? I often accidentally drop the negative in sentences. No idea why. It's a dyspraxia thing apparently. If so, my bad.

[sleek crypt]

I noticed the irony too. 😂

[limpid lynx]

all g

[severe plover]

I was attacked by the tiger three times, and on two occasions, it missed the opportunity to attack me. I had to confront it, armed a gun, and shot without killing it, but this did not make it flee. Instead, it remained in a posture to attack me until death. I never had the chance for my dog to face a tiger, but my dog (retriever) has the ability to repel predators (level 30). Does this work against tigers? Share your experiences.

Some tips for a safe trip in Sundarpatan?

[sleek crypt]

Yes. That's how the tigers are designed. Enjoy the journey of learning the tiger's behaviour and upskilling your reflexes. 😂

I haven't tested the dog predator skill yet on tigers. Interesting question. you have to sacrifice an important tracking skill for it.

[severe plover]

In the game, I never sleep to fast forward time; I travel 24 hours across the map. I organize my schedule to make the most of the 24-hour journey. It's a fantastic and enriching experience. When night falls, the situation becomes very intense for me. I'm passionate about night hunting in COTW.

[sleek crypt]

You're brave! It depends on the map which ones I do night hunting on. But I do use up the full day. Pure grinding is boring af.

[distant aurora]

I would not depend on your retriever or bloodhound to protect you from a tiger attack. Warning you about an aggressive animal Yes. In the dog breed thread here https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1071107633571963031

There are suggestions for at least 5 types of dogs and one of those is a guard dog breed that would be more effective in drawing aggro away from the hunter ...

[fervent nova]

All I’m saying is I understand both perspectives on this: yes comente creators getting early access on the game were able to confirm drink zones so I figured people would be able to grind them. Whether people grind them or not it doesn’t matter to me. All I’m saying is EW should not have made it sound like the tigers are going to be one of the hardest trophies to ever get even to kill a non diamond or rare when it’s not the case and you can grind it. The problem was they hyped it up and come to find out it’s actually probably one of the easiest diamonds/rares or even super rares to get in this game so far. I’ve seen so many super rare tigers so far bec they are super easy to grind compared to even GO’s. I’ve seen so many super rare tigers I don’t know if EW even took into account how easy they would be to grind. But yah I could care less I’m just the type of person that tries to listen to both side and understand where they’re coming from so I get both sides is all I’m saying

[strong salmon]

I moved my Dog discussion over to the "Dog Breeds and Types" thread so we don't derail this one.

[sleek crypt]

Good idea. This thread is a lie anyway. It should sink into obscurity. LOL

[severe plover]

Done

[limpid lynx]

3 lakes grind on top

[south sphinx]

jaxy said its intended

so, ye...

[sleek crypt]

No mention of an exploit in stream today and Jaxy clarified that the tiger home range works as intended. This thread is bullshyte.

[vagrant smelt]

People are only ever gonna tell you "you don't have to play that way". Immersive hunting is being all but forgotten about bro it sucks but it's reality. The first immersive challenging animal we've had in years was given a drink zone. It's a grinding game now. The fight is lost.

[night folio]

Tigers have fallen, billions must grind 😞

[subtle trench]

R̸̈́̕é̶͗s̷̃̀i̷͋͝s̵̆́ť̶̀á̸nce is fut̶̑̕i̸̽͑l̴̈́e

The̾̐ ̵̏̕G̵͆̆r̷̈́̈́i̸nd will n̴̔̑ē̶̒v̵͑̓ė̷̐r̶̬̉ ̵̐͒e̸̅nd

[thorny violet]

What are you even mad about? Please explain how tigers having a drink zone changes the way you hunt them. Are you only able to hunt them between 4-7? I’m confused what the issue for you is. Also, snow leopards….

[vagrant smelt]

Leave me alone fam. I wasn't talking to you.

[finite rapids]

You said nothing but facts… HOW DARE YOU

[frozen nymph]

Not sure the drink zone themselves is the issue. I agree an adjustment would be awesome. I think this map is the best EW has done for those who love immersion hunting.

[thorny violet]

What kind of adjustment? And why is an adjustment needed in your opinion?

[frozen nymph]

Not sure what kind of adjustment would be needed. Just something that reduces the sheer volume of super rares that are being found.

I don’t know how the three lakes works so I can’t speak to changing it. But it would be nice if super rares were actually super rare

[thorny violet]

I don’t constantly scroll through the trophies page but I look at it quite often and I’ve only seen 2 super rare tigers posted. Seeing as so many people are hunting tigers rn I don’t see them as a problem. Maybe there’s something I’m not seeing but I’m not getting the sense they’re not super rare

[frozen nymph]

I’m a mod in another server and I see them constantly

[quaint egret]

It dosnt matter people play the game how they want and enjoy themselves, a few individuals don’t need to witch hunt them for doing so

[frozen nymph]

I don’t see how suggesting a tweak to tigers is a witch hunt. Are you suggesting people aren’t entitled to share their opinion simply because people can play how they want?

[quaint egret]

Tell me where I said people are not entitled to share their opinion….

Simmer down “spud”

[frozen nymph]

You said people are on a witch hunt. What do you mean by that? I was asking you genuinely what you mean.

[quaint egret]

There’s a small but very visible collection of people on here that witch hunt others for playing the game as they want, things like people using modding for economy reasons, shooting using ATvs to chase animals etc

It does NOT matter!

This is not CSGO or rainbow six siege. How people play their own predominately single player game is up to them. These individuals have some strange superiority complex and like to try and get all hyper sensitive about so called “exploits” that no one is forcing them to use!

[frozen nymph]

That’s fine. But isnt it fair for people to view such “exploits” as an issue? Simply saying that they don’t have to use them doesn’t mean they can’t want them to be gone to level the playing field.

[quaint egret]

Level what playing field?!?! It’s a hunting simulator not some competitive fps?

So no it’s not really fair, why is it any of their business by extension?

They are not at any genuine disadvantage from people using the lakes to grind better?

It really boils down to people who have got far too much time on their hands irl, and thus become utterly obsessed over stuff in video games like this that really does not matter, in the grand scheme of things.

[frozen nymph]

It’s discouraging that you don’t think people can share a genuine opinion that’s different than yours. You saying it doesn’t matter trivializes how others view the game. Some folks just want as authentic an experience as possible but are bombarded with methods to get special trophies kinda making all of them feel cheaper. I don’t think it’s fair to say those opinions don’t matter simply because people can play as they like. We are a community. So by virtue of that fact if someone utilizes a method to gain a certain trophy others who don’t or won’t are at a disadvantage. To the average player there is no issue but for those trying to create content there are things at stake. I’m just saying don’t write off differing perspectives. They balance each other for the sole purpose of making this game the best it can be.

If I’ve misunderstood you I apologize but it really was coming across that you didn’t think differing perspectives have a place

[quaint egret]

Ish it’s a hunting simulator! The majority of the playerbase don’t even know about this!
And don’t be silly, read what I wrote.
Again I NEVER said that people did not have the right to make points and arguments. What I’m doing here is taking this point and saying why I think it’s utter rubbish. Not asking for it to be delete or for the person to leave the server now am I?

[frozen nymph]

Why are you so angry. You trivialized someone who shared an opinion by saying it’s a hunting sim it doesn’t matter. For some people it matters.

[quaint egret]

Ish

Not angry!

I’m saying that the people are upset about this clearly have very easy lives!

It doesn’t matter, it’s a video game

[frozen nymph]

That’s fair but again to some people it does matter. And there’s nothing wrong with that. They can petition the devs to change the mechanic if they like.

[quaint egret]

Not to change topic but we’re you not removed at some point for trolling?

[frozen nymph]

No I left of my own accord. I’m not trolling. I’m just disagreeing with you.

[quaint egret]

Right….

[frozen nymph]

Why do you think I’m trolling you? Like all I’ve been doing is supporting why I think a change to tigers is legitimate. What I’ve understood from you is that your stance is it’s a game it doesn’t matter and if it matters your life is easy. That to me just is poor rationale. Again if I’m misunderstanding you let me know but that’s what it sounds like to me.

[quaint egret]

Just going to leave this historical piece here seems like you admit that your own behaviour is not appropriate for here

[frozen nymph]

You can actually still find the letters I think if you’d like.

[quaint egret]

No thanks boet

[frozen nymph]

Why can’t I disagree with your position? And why can’t I defend my disagreement? What about that is inappropriate?

[sage bison]

I found them

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1096093628365017160

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1123981975968043091

[quaint egret]

Never said you couldn’t do any of those things 🤨

[frozen nymph]

That’s all I’ve been doing. Im sorry if it came across as something different. All I want to clarify is that it’s ok for people to care about this stuff. I was under the impression you were saying caring about this was a waste of time.

[lilac brook]

Just saying, how does this new map listen to people who dislike hm
You can HM almost every animal in this game

[quaint egret]

That is my position, but equally people are allowed to make that argument I just think it’s a bit silly

[frozen nymph]

Ok thank you for that.

[frozen nymph]

Oh the challenge of snow leopards and tahr not having drink Zones at least seemed to be an effort to maintain a level of challenge imo. I appreciate that.

[lilac brook]

You can definitely 100% hm tahr, same with snow leopards. So what’s your point

[frozen nymph]

I’m sure you can. Those letters are a year old. I’ve given up the cause of petitioning against hm. It just was made clear it was here to stay. However the new map at least offers more challenge with some species than I think other maps do. My point here is simply that tigers could be tweaked and that would be ok.

[lilac brook]

But the message refers to the most recent map. “I rejoined today to thank them for the new map because for the first time in a while I felt COTW was listening to us who don’t like HM or don’t use it” that’s the post in reference.

[frozen nymph]

Oh that was me defending myself against being called a troll because I rejoined today. I rejoined so I could post my thanks. That’s all. Even though you can hm the new map there are species that offer a challenge as well.

[lilac brook]

Okay… AGAIN how does the new map help/benefit people who don’t like hm or don’t use it. Again you can HM them so it shouldn’t affect the people who don’t like hm.

[frozen nymph]

Oh well my point was always hm makes getting trophies easier and there isn’t as much challenge but a method of getting trophies. So with the new map you can use hm but they also threw in species that are substantially more challenging. I think they struck the balance very well.

[lilac brook]

But it doesn’t effect hm at all… them not having a drink time effects everyone not just people who do/don’t hm. It legit don’t change anything. Your points make no sense if I’m being honest. Your point was that the new map benefited people who don’t do hm/people who don’t like it, when it didn’t do that at all. It’s the same thing

[frozen nymph]

Maybe it doesn’t. I still think this demonstrates that they listened to the smaller part of the community that wants a more authentic feel rather than the grind/hm play style. Before it seemed like they were leaning into the grinding method. Here in the new map it feels like they’ve catered to both.

Just excited about it that’s all.

[quaint egret]

No one’s forced to grind dude, just have self control and play it to a more realistic standard…

[frozen nymph]

For sure. That’s what I was commending the new map on. There’s something for everyone.

[finite rapids]

The logic seems flawed to me, let me explain. Focusing on only the most efficient way to grind a species and then subsequently saying that as a result the species as a whole is easy seems irrational. To me, it’s like saying using bows to give yourself a challenge is pointless because the rifles still exist. I think we can agree that it would be absurd if someone wanted EW to remove all firearms from the game and leave us with just the bows because the rifles are too easy? Think rifles are too easy? Great, stick to the bows. Think HM grinding for SRs is too easy? Great, stick to hiking your map and focusing on feed zones.

[frozen nymph]

Sure. That’s all great. I can still be thankful they’ve introduced an increased level of challenge.

[quaint egret]

These responses are just strange, it’s like a crap AI

[frozen nymph]

Well I’ve never been accused of being overly intelligent if that’s what your driving at

[finite rapids]

I think a more accurate version of what you think is that you are happy they have introduced a FORCED level of challenge. Drink zone grinding the tigers isn’t particularly challenging, but you can always hunt them outside of their drink zones and provide yourself with as much challenge as you want. While people who would like a little less hassle when hunting snow leopards, for example, are out of luck. I think the true best medium is to provide both sides with what they want within reason. One side wants a challenging hunt? Give the animal feed zones. One side wants efficiency? Give the animal a drink zone. That gives both sides access to what they find enjoyable.

[frozen nymph]

Sure I think that’s a fair judgment of what I getting at. We may differ on what the best medium may be but that’s fine.

[finite rapids]

This might have been one of the most rational conversations I’ve had with an opposing side on this server. Thank you.

[frozen nymph]

You know I really appreciate you saying that. I’ve been accused of trolling twice today and all im trying to do is defend my side and understand the other. I’m not perfect at communication and text sucks anyway but I just want every interaction to be a cordial as this one was.

[thorny violet]

I think you getting put on blast here was completely unfair. You didn’t attack anyone and had fair opinions. My opinions align more with the give both sides what they want (drink zones), but the way you went about it is exactly the way I’d want to debate with the ‘other side’ of the community.

[frozen nymph]

For whatever reason having a minority viewpoint or a contrary opinion to most folks just doesn’t go well. Thanks for your kind words

[sonic breach]

I don't know who you are DejectedSoup but you speak my language. It is ok to disagree and still have civil conversations around a topic of disagreement. I also want you to know that you're not alone in how you feel about the evolution of COTW.

I think what might resolve all of this is if EW removed its conservation messaging from the game altogether at this point. Build the game up on achieving trophies, rather than "authentic hunting." That's what the majority of the community is centered on now, whether it's running and gunning or grinding or whatnot. And that's ok... it is "just a hunting simulator," after all. Literally embrace the free-for-all nature of it. I think if I learn to shift my expectations from the game in this way, I will also feel less disappointed because the game will match the "say what you mean, mean what you say" notion.

[distant aurora]

@frozen nymph @sonic breach Yes it does seem that EW has lost some credibility in their marketing messages .... Don't believe what they tell you in the Hype/Build up .... Just take a wait and see approach .....

[heavy plank]

Hard to say what EW will do here if anything. Patrycja said it'll take time to decide and Jaxy said home ranges "are working as intended"

[thorny violet]

What credibility did they lose from what marketing messages? They said tigers are much more rare to find than other species which is true. 16 total on a map. Just one of my lakes has 52 barasingha. No deception there. They said they have a drink time. They also said the most rare and elusive species is the snow leopard. All of these seem to be true

[hot prairie]

Tell that to 3 lake grinders with lodges filled with nothing but diamond and rare tigers 🤣

Rare illusive? nah just hop between lakes you’ll see one ina minute at most

[sleek crypt]

The OP has now updated their first post with the following info, which is great:
"This is a EXPLOIT and needs to be fixed, maybe remove drink time? It takes all the fun out of. (THIS IS NOT MY CODEX) also. This was after many hours of grinding"

However, it sadly still lacks some transparency as it omits the fact that this was a 500+ grind that produced ONE rare. The same exploit is used on other maps and the results are reflective of other typical herd-managed grinds that produce diamonds. It would be more honest to include all this info. The most vocal voices on this thread are anti-grinders and that is fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But it would be better and in good faith to state all the facts to keep the debate honest.

Creating misleading hysteria will never be a productive tool in a debate.

[hushed perch]

And have you set up a grind yourself? Have you seen the results first hand?

[hushed perch]

Because if you have Dirt, you’d know that 97% of the grind is killing level 6 and below males the trophies are very still very elusive.

It’s just as EW advertised, quite frankly all we need now is a 100lb bow + a .375 and then boom! you have a traditional tiger hunting experience. Trophies make you happy and that’s all that matters.

[sleek crypt]

With regards to rare spawning
Tigers have an unusually high number of rares so the accumalative percentage for rare spawning will be slightly higher than other species. It's likely to be the same for tahr. Tigers are the more popular species at the moment so we're seeing a lot more posts of them across the social media platforms. This is not unusual at the launch of a new map.
Jaxy confirmed on Tuesday's live stream that the tiger rare spawning rate was working as intended and as expected when the question was put to him.
People must remember that everybody's maps are all different so the combination of luck and algorithms will produce varying results.

[thorny violet]

I travel to 3 lakes during different drink times. I see 1 tiger, 100 barasingha, 40 nilgai, 60 water Buffalo, 50 blackbuck, 50 yak, 25 muntjac, 20 fox. Yeah I’d say tigers are pretty rare based on comparisons

[hot prairie]

Numbers are low but finding them is easy and with this grind your zones are gonna stay in the same 3 lakes or pop to a fourth one close by. This is not illusive you can literally find them in minutes

[hot prairie]

Your not set up

[hot prairie]

https://youtu.be/_mEoTNeT4HQ?si=kmgKjvCajLNH8FI9 here’s one that explains it quite well

[hushed perch]

Then don’t. The only person who can put value on your trophies…. Is you.

[hot prairie]

You said they were elusive and I just explained they weren’t ✌️

Is it spelled illusive that dosnt seem right

[hushed perch]

They are pretty damn unpredictable. They come in extremely late all the time. It’s honestly no different than bears. A cities worth of bazingas, more nilgai than humans on earth and the occasional goose flock.

[sleek crypt]

I'm not the fastest grinder. In fact, I find the process incredibly boring. Each to their own though. My tigers bounce out of their zones a lot and it can take me several hours to find them for various reasons, arriving lake to lakes I'm checking, bouncing quite far etc. The bouncing rate also seems to vary dramatically for different players. Some hardcore grinders seem to be having a much smoother (no bouncing). I'm seeing results of hardcore grinds that are similar to content creators who hardcore grind other species. I've explained the slightly higher rare spawning in an above post.

[hot prairie]

I think the setup effects bouncing quite a bit so you might check your zones 🤷‍♂️ watch a newer 3 lakes grind for a better tutorial

[hot prairie]

This guy said 6 tigers on his lakes are rarer then diamonds he’s got it down to a tea

[sleek crypt]

This is my triangle grind set up. 200ish kills for 2 rares and 1 diamond, which matches the current statistical odds for tigers.
I am currently in a 4rth (I think, lost count tbh) bounce which I can't find in any of the nearby lakes. Dark blue dots indicate where previous bounces occurred. I have temporarily paused because the process is boring.
I noticed the same behaviour on my reindeer casual grind. I'm sure that tigers are using the same spawning system as other species. It's just more obvious because there are so few of them in comparison.

[hot prairie]

Check those when they bounce

[clear drift]

I personally just. Shoot every male I see. No sticking to a singular territory for me. Blast everyone

Blast him and him and him and him and him oh and especially him too

[hot prairie]

200 kills on the 3 lake? That dosnt seem right

[sleek crypt]

Sounds like a lot more fun, to be honest. once the launch hype is over I believe most people will move on from this technique.

[hot prairie]

This is what your codex should be looking like

[clear drift]

Yeah. I kinda regret blasting that female that was in the 3 lakes region? Because she took up an area that one of my males used to frequent. But its fine, gives me reason to visit that area more

[sleek crypt]

I don't understand.

[hot prairie]

Are your other lakes shot down?

[clear drift]

I have 5 female zones unlocked so I know where they all are. I won't mess with them. But the boys all get smoked lungs

[sleek crypt]

Is this the OP codex. That's from a hardcore grinder.

[hot prairie]

I wouldn’t say hardcore an hm grinder. And no not the op

[clear drift]

Im really just here for the rares. i want to get a gold and perhaps a pseudomelanistic? And im done. Honestly they all look good i'll take anythin. But at the same time idk if i even should be doin this lmaoo saskea only has so much space

[sleek crypt]

Shot down? My tiger levels are shown on my map. 2 are undiscovered as of yet.

[hot prairie]

Find those that could definitely be the issue

[sleek crypt]

I don't use the trophy lodges. LOL

[clear drift]

Anyways. Back onto the 3 lakes method thingmajangers. Yeah I personally dont use it, I just blast all my males, but hey if folks wanna use it, let em. If EW patched this people would just find another set of lakes to grind on.

[sleek crypt]

Oh, I get you now. Yes, definitely. But like , I said I'm not a grinder. The process is very very boring. I'm glad I tried it out though. I can at least make arguments from my experience now.

[clear drift]

Its just the consiquence of an animal having a low population and somewhat? Of a low range 🤷‍♂️ only reason why fallow great ones are so easy to get for example is because they dont have a whole lot of range in te awaora. Same thing with the tigers. They're gonna be an easy grind as a result.

[hot prairie]

If that’s a high male tiger your not getting the right results from the grind it’s definitely worth finding those tigers and once you get the grind fixed you could potentially reevaluate your experience with it

[sleek crypt]

Exactly, I've already discovered some other rotations. It wouldn't take grinders long. EW would have write a new spawning system just for tigers. Would it be worth their time while keeping the lights on? Who knows?

[clear drift]

Like yeah I can kinda get why tigers seem "cheesed" using the method but ehhhhhhhhh i mean can we really do much about it??

People are going to find a way no matter what 🤷‍♂️ let grinders grind. Its not gonna stop YOU from playing casually if you're into that.

[sleek crypt]

Very possibly. But for the casual player, like myself, this is definitely not the exploit that it was made out to be a few days ago when this thread originally dropped. Most casual players on Discord seem to be having a similar experience as me. Setting up the grind is a pain, slow and boring for many. Which is not unexpected.
Grinders have fun. More power to you guys. We all get our thrills from this game in different ways.

[hot prairie]

An incomplete grind won’t show the correct results.

[clear drift]

Hell im a casual player myself and when the time DOES come to do grinds (such as great one grinds! I actually have my te awaora set up for both fallow and red deer) i just take it nice and slow. Occasionally i get a spike of activity where i do actually dedicate some time into the grind but otherwise i just take it slow maybe do a couple runs here and there but not often. I'll get the great ones some day, its just gonna take longer than most because im not gonna dedicate full time to it

[sleek crypt]

True, but forgive me, you're slightly missing my point.

[hot prairie]

Your point is that it’s not the exploit people say it is but you’re basing this off an incomplete grind so that’s invalid. This is one of the most casual friendly hm imo

[sleek crypt]

I plan to set up a casual grind (herd management) for fallow, red deer and black bear soon. I wont see grinder results for GOs but I'll get my diamonds and a few rares hopefully.

[clear drift]

I DO need to start setting up my bears too. So I can actually have a good bear in my lodge

[hot prairie]

If you wanna be supper casual just shoot your males don’t worry about hm you’ll get your g1

[thorny violet]

But for every hundred of the most hardcore grinders there’s a hundred who have never seen a tiger. They design the game for the median not for the outliers. You just happen to hear about the outliers (hardcore grinders) because a lot of them are content creators/very vocal within the community

[clear drift]

Moose too ❤️ i love how great one moose look, dream combo is birch double paddle. Looks soo good. But also i just want one of them giant rack moose that are always max weight and score like 299-301

[sleek crypt]

Unfortunately you're seeing this very one dimensionally. I can't elaborate further than I have done already, I'm afraid. I find it very boring to talk in circles. Perhaps read what I wrote again. I don't really have much more to say on this. If you still can't see my perspective then that's okay too. Peace.

[clear drift]

Oh i completely forgot about whitetail. Honestly i might just skip whitetail they dont really interest me

[sleek crypt]

Same!

[hot prairie]

Im taking what you say very literally if your talking about how people feel about the way they hunt that dosnt really matter to me cuz we’re talking about how strong the grind is not how people feel about hm

[clear drift]

Tahr too x( i loove how the fabled snow looks but my goodness i dont really wanna grind tahr maybe. I'll just get the trophies for the multimount and leave it at that

[hushed perch]

Just want a 59 tbh.

[thorny violet]

They need to redo WT with better furs and some more antler variation

[sleek crypt]

Yes. I think that might be why we're not exactly connecting on this subject. Anyway, it was good to chat.

[hot prairie]

Mm yea

For people who do “hardcore” grinding I think this takes away from the value of the trophy it becomes less then a gold with this grind. Now for casual players do what you want idc your opinion on the hm dosnt really matter cuz it dosnt effect you to begin with do what you enjoy but for people who hm

I could see this being the beginner guide to hunter management so I guess I could see that as a plus to get people into it

[sleek crypt]

Just curious. Do you consider yourself as a hardcore grinder, anti-grinder, casual?

[hot prairie]

Casual

[sleek crypt]

I like this perspective. It's very positive. I think it's a great outlook. 👍

[subtle trench]

Looks like tigers are one of the easiest superrares to get : /

[neon willow]

Y’all do realize some people it don’t even work for Mine go to the 3 8/10 times and they they got to a random one sometimes also yall realize that image the person was ONLY harvesting the good tigers

Can anyone link the image I can’t scroll that far

[heavy plank]

100%

[heavy plank]

???

[clear drift]

Saltwater crocs seem like theyre in second place

Or maybe banteng? 🤔

[vagrant smelt]

Gotta be Banteng. The diamonds are a dime a dozen. I can see a SR being not so rare because of the sheer amount of dimes.

[sleek crypt]

I think Banteng definitely. I got no croc rares and they're my bread and butter.

[vagrant smelt]

Same. I got a Leucistic Barasingha yesterday and I thought that luck would carry to crocs immediately after. It didn't lol

[sleek crypt]

Nice. It was melanistic for me.

[vagrant smelt]

I'm jelly. Two years in I got like 5 Mela overall for everything lol. I always wish for one.

[sleek crypt]

I lost a AWOL mela brown bear on Medved. But the reset was more important so the sacrifice was worth it. I'm not bitter. 😭

[vagrant smelt]

Moving forward is best🤣 I ruined a SR fallow earlier this year and it still has my stomach in knots sometimes lmao

[sage idol]

I found my first ever max lvl rare and well this tells you everything

[sleek crypt]

Yes, it's only a game after all. The first one is always the most painful! 😭 It does get easier. Haha!

[vagrant smelt]

Is that a troll? They are very mf pretty animals for sure but is that was a troll I know it's hard to focus on that lol

[sleek crypt]

That is still gorgeous even if a troll. I just love the piebalds,

[vagrant smelt]

I only have ever killed 1 max animal and it was a stubble quial that I didn't track😅 just sprinting around randomly then boom

[sleek crypt]

Wow. I'm a long way from beng ready for quail hunts.

[vagrant smelt]

By far the best trophy I have

[sleek crypt]

Wow, what a prize!!! Well done!
My triangle has just spawned its second legendary. Wish me luck!

[vagrant smelt]

Best of luck🫡🫡

[sleek crypt]

Tadum!

[sage idol]

Super Troll

[sage idol]

Oh it's gorgeous it's in the main room in the back of my Saseka Lodge on the main plaque but it had a promising estimate I'm not sure what it was though but I think top estimate was something in the 160s

[vagrant smelt]

WITNESS HIM!!! Congrats brotha