Tahr feedback

[tardy delta]

Please share your thoughts on your tahr hunting experience. Remember, someone’s opinion may differ from yours and that’s okay so let’s keep things civil!

[civic totem]

we need drink zone

[short smelt]

They need to be where Yak are, and not in the pink tree area.

[pulsar wadi]

Before launch and EA, there was an expectation that Tahr would only be found in the open mountain areas like Yak are, players are feeling frustrated with how much of their home range is dense forest when they are THE mountain species for many players.

[bright yew]

I definitely think the Tahr need SOMETHING. Whether that’s an added drink zone (which I think all species aside from small game should have anyway) or just moving them up to the actual mountain tops where they’d actually live, instead of the forests/thick brush. Imo as they are, they’re more than just a challenge to hunt- but frustrating. And it’s rather unfair to have taken away the drink zone option for players who want to hunt that way. If drink zones were added, they don’t have to be hunted there, but players can choose to do what they please. I sincerely hope changes come for this species.

[bright yew]

Exactly this ^^^^

[short smelt]

I also think Mountain Goat and Chamios need their drink zone back, whether in the night i dont care. same for the tahr i would grind them at drink zones at night

[pulsar wadi]

A great one grind in and of itself is already the pinnacle challenge of the game for us. Even with something like Fallow on Te with a small home range and plenty of drink zones, finding one is not guaranteed whatsoever and personally took me over a hundred hours to find one. It feels like the decision to not include drinking zones was a direct response to community grinding methods becoming more efficient, however, I think what’s happening is that it’s turning away the casual player from chasing this elite trophy.

[timid jetty]

I definitely think that tahr should have a drink zone, even if it is just a short drinking time. Right now I don't see myself grinding tahr because they are all in the brushy areas. By the time I get close enough to see them, they are already gone. The players that like that there is no drink time can still grind them in their rest/feed zones.

[halcyon peak]

I had to open discord on my pc for this one... My honest opinion on not drinking Tahr (and not drinking almost anything in that matter) is that is serves no purpose in the game. the statisticall reality of great ones is that if you don´t get thousands of kills you almost guaranteed to never see one, so grinding for GO and basically for trophies is always gonna be the best way to get things, is just how the game works. With that said this GO puts the community in a loose-loose situation, people that don´t grind are not gonna see one, but now people that do grind are most likely never gonna see one too. So we have a piece of amazing content that is just gonna be actively avoided by all players. Those few players that are still gonna try are most likely gonna be giving it up or burned out of the game after such and annoying and unpredictable task, and that's not what a good game does to it´s players. Reality is not drinking animals are not popular, not hunted and forgotten by the community, and in the case of a Great One, that gets even worse by the nature of great ones themselves. I really don´t think we need more "challenge" in grinds, they take hundreds of hours, patience and planning, and some of us really enjoy playing the game this way and I see no point of taking that away from us, especially when the changes are doing nothing for the community. I really believe animals like goats, jackals and chamois also should their zones back, but the bare minimum should be that we are able to obtain the new great one in a reasonable amount of time.

[acoustic kraken]

It’s always possible that tahr GO do not spawn the same as other GOs (or at least they should). Ideally, great ones wouldn’t spawn at all based off of grinding, but say, every hour spent on a map you get a chance of one spawning. Grinding would still be effective because of time on the map and you would still need a vacant population slot for it to spawn

[primal yacht]

i work a full time job. grinding is how i unplug from that. i spent a year looking forward to working toward the next GO, and now I can't. the map is already challenging enough- it's thick, i barely see any animals, and that's fine. i do like to wander and track sometimes. but i don't have a lot of time to play, and now i feel as though I have nothing to progress toward outside of the missions (which I don't do anyway- I don't want to be given an animal that should be rare, just because the story wants me to have one. i like that to be left up to luck and perseverance).

[gusty hawk]

So now you know what organic hunters who don't agree with the current grind mechanics used for all other GOs feel xD

[pulsar wadi]

Grind mechanics are just playing the game as efficiently as possible, it shouldn’t be about punishing grinders at all. What do you expect people to do, legitimately, shoot things as slow as possible and hope they get lucky? These methods didn’t come out of nowhere, it’s from people who put in hundreds of hours to figure out how to hunt quickly.

[gusty hawk]

It is precisely with this target shooting mechanic that ignores 90% of the map and the rest of the game's content that some of us do not agree with.

If they launched golf courses with lakes so that you can shoot the animals, there would be no problem since the rest of the map does not matter when grinding a GO with the current method.

[pulsar wadi]

If you’re trying to get a great one of species, why would you shoot anything else besides that species? Focus on one animal, one map, as efficiently as possible and that’s how you get a great one.

[gusty hawk]

If it could be "hunted" by going around the map, using hunting skills, stalking it like any animal it would be much better and more realistic.
You go around the map, shoot animals of the same species and eventually a GO would appear, the problem is that that does not happen

[primal yacht]

That's exactly what happens though. Being able to grind at drink zones just maximizes your efficiency.

[lethal dome]

Heres the thing, I would be happy hunting feed zones if they were on the top of the mountain not on the side in the forest

[primal yacht]

I agree, I didn't have a problem with tahr not drinking until I saw where they were.

[short smelt]

agree, but theyre in shrubs and trees and stuff

[lethal dome]

Mhm, thats why I want them to be changed, idrc if they don't drink I jsut want to be able to kill them efficiently and not in the fricking trees

[short smelt]

more like in this area maybe

[pulsar wadi]

Unfortunately that’s not how this game works, animals have zones, they’re almost always there. It’s a map based hunting game 🤷‍♂️

[gusty hawk]

Correct, but they have 4 other areas in addition to the drink zones, 2 rest zones in the Forests and 2 feed zones in the Grasslands, if you know the need schedule, just open the map, choose an area of ​​trees (dark green area ) within the Habitat Range of a species and there you will find those animals sleeping, the same for their food, you open the map, look for a grassland (light geen area) and go there.
You can go around the entire map at any time and find animals, that is part of the learning curve of the game and what it means to hunt organically, the difference is that here you need skill so that the animals do not detect you when you reach the areas.

That is the way to take advantage of all the content of the game and the great work of recreating scenarios and AI programming of the animals

[pulsar wadi]

There’s more than 2 rest and feed zones. The problem is a lot of us think that home range isn’t fun or rewarding to hunt. I have max skills and 4 great ones under my belt, and even I think it’s too difficult in its current state.

[timid socket]

Very well said. At the moment, the GOs are not achievable via normal gameplay. They should be difficult but not impossible as they are now, unless you manipulate the mechanics. With so many GOs now they are not feeling that exclusive any more, but are still out of reach for most. I think the whole GO thing needs a rethink and overhaul.
We've been discussing some ideas in this thread. Some are wild but hopefully the devs are reading them and we're giving them food for thought. https://discordapp.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753

[primal yacht]

I do not have time to waste my 3 hours after work running around and hoping to see something. I can do that at first while I'm learning the map, but eventually, I get bored of it. I don't care if that's not real hunting- we're all sitting in front of a screen shooting polygons. People putting themselves on a pedestal for 'doing it right' means nothing to me when I play on my own map- but when they actively cheer for features to be taken away in this 'if I can't get one neither should you' mentality, it is really disheartening.

[pulsar wadi]

Deterministic great ones would take the fun and surprise out of it though… Also this thread is more than just great one tahr feedback, it’s tahr feedback in general so we should keep it focused on them.

[gusty hawk]

Well, let's take it as an Organic GO, they already had 5 other Grinder GOs, let others enjoy.

[timid socket]

With regards to hunting the regular Tahr, I have no issues. I like that they are a little more challenging and I think they're fine as they are. My thoughts on their GOs is broader of the entire GO system.

[pulsar wadi]

There’s no such thing as organic or grinding, it’s all the same, just different speeds

[modest thorn]

Deterministic ???? I dont want to hijak this thread but no one is advocating taking away grinding and RNG as a way to get GO .... We are just looking for alternate ways to get them in addition to grinding .... We would welcome your opion on this here https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753

[gusty hawk]

Even so, I would like EW to clarify if the Tarh GO generation system is the same as the other previous ones, or will it use a new one

[timid socket]

On this, we agree! It's nice to se them change it up a bit. It's fresh. I still wont ever see one though, 😭

[pulsar wadi]

Look. You guys all seem to interact with each other a lot, you don’t like grinding, we get it, but this doesn’t mean that grinders opinions are wrong or invalid on this.

[primal yacht]

by that logic there are now 6 organic GO's, and only 5 grindable.

[modest thorn]

No one said grinders op wasn't valid in fact we recognize that it is a valid play style

[timid socket]

Yes, we chat. We agree a lot. We also disagree a lot. 😂
FYI, I fully support grinders. I believe people should play how they want.

[modest thorn]

we jsut want the non grinding playstyle to be just as valid in getting a G1

[timid socket]

The bottom line.

[modest thorn]

this has nothing to do with this thread I think Tahr should stay as is .... At least for a while .... its too soon to be calling for them to be moved or changed

[halcyon peak]

My problem with all of this is that GOs or changing how trophys in general work is that we need to understand how hard would that be to happen. Changing luck based go and trophies literally means changing how animals spawn. The dev team would have to literally remake most of them game from the ground up. At thats just not realistic. The bases of the game are set, it work as it is supposed to work. Great one mechanics are just an extension of the games core mechanics.

[primal yacht]

This hasn't made the casual playstyle more valid, though. It has added nothing for casual players. The rates are still the same- if you are a casual player, nothing has changed. You still don't have a better chance at seeing a GO just because this one does not drink.

[modest thorn]

thats hog wash ... go to this thread and read how it could be done very easily while still keeping the ability to grind in game https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753

[timid socket]

Games evolve over time though. It's good we discuss these things.

[modest thorn]

again thats not what this thread is really about ....

[halcyon peak]

I do think we could maybe add a base great one that you could get from missions in the future. Like a particular furr that is exclusive to them. So if you want more you grind, and if you don’t then you dont. But tbh I don’t have a horse in that race. I just want to be able to play how I like

[timid socket]

Yep, it'll make no difference to us. That's for sure. 😂

[modest thorn]

agreed this thread is about Tahr not drinking .... has nothing to do with the G1 discussion here https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1242416386031091753

[pulsar wadi]

stop linking this thread this isn’t what that’s about.

[primal yacht]

Please stop linking your thread. I've already said my piece.

[modest thorn]

YOur saying you piece in the wrong place .... thats what I'm trying to point out ... I dont want people discussing that here ... I've said that repeatedly

[primal yacht]

I've replied to your thread as well, is what I meant.

[timid socket]

Anyway, I like the tahr. They're works of art, imho.

[primal yacht]

Yes, the tahr look great. The GO's have amazing variety. But if they don't drink or move their home range, I have no interest in hunting them the way that they are now.

[halcyon peak]

I do love them too and I fully believe that the art team can make a killer drinking animations for them 😂😂😂

[short hemlock]

Tahr don’t drink, git gud.

[timid socket]

Do you only hunt animals at drink zones? Roam hunting is really quite fun. It also feels a lot more immersive. For me, at least.

[primal yacht]

I grind and I roam hunt. I find roaming to be a lot more uneventful/uninteresting.

[timid socket]

Fair enough. Different strokes for different folks.

[pulsar wadi]

And that’s the whole crux of it really, for grinders, roam hunting is unrewarding, for casuals, drink zone hunting is too. At the end of the day, every option should be available and either side can ignore the other. The reality of it is, every animal needs water, it’s super weird they don’t have a drink zone for any arbitrary reason like difficulty.

[tawdry garden]

I haven't played this map long enough to see it will work but I know Feed zones can usallay be moved to a new location by deleting the zone. Yes it is some work but that could be a fix for the ones that has an unfavorable location. Get to blasting and see if your new zone shows up in a more open area. There is usallay a work around.

[primal yacht]

Exactly, and I would never advocate for those who enjoy the casual playstyle to have their preferred method of playing taken from them. We can (and always have) have it both ways.

[halcyon peak]

I came almost guarantee your are gonna go insane trying this 😂

[timid socket]

Absolutely agree. Never suggested otherwise, to be fair.

[tawdry garden]

Wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last 😂

[primal yacht]

oh no, I didn't mean for that to come off as accusatory. But some people I talk to insist that the only way they can be happy is if grinders are miserable.

[pulsar wadi]

Zen is being chill, I think JJ coming in and plugging the deterministic thread is what what put people on edge tbf *wasn’t productive

[timid socket]

We're good. 👍

[gusty hawk]

Well, I think the Tarh must be drinking grinders' tears, that's why they don't go to the lakes xD

[primal yacht]

Why is it so important to you that people playing a game they love be upset?

[surreal pulsar]

Tahr failing to have drink zones is an interesting choice, one I'm more neutral on. The real issue I have with tahr is what others have already voiced, why is this champion of the mountains lacking in the mountains? Hunting for tahr is supposed to mean you are in their kingdom, traversing treacherous mountains and planning accordingly to keep your presence hidden from your quarry. Yet now EW has taken this and managed to flip it a full 180, “You know what would be fun? If we took these upland masters and put them…in a forest!” with the rest in the meeting cheering “By Jove, you've got it!” Or so it feels that was the thought process behind it. If they felt something needed to be added to the Rhodendron forests then another species certainly would've made far more sense to shuffle in the place all while keeping tahr in their appropriate habitat.

[pulsar wadi]

Loading screen in game, but I’ve encountered nothing close to this

[dire brook]

I would feel a lot more motivated to roam hunt if the map was actually condusive to that playstyle. I've been spending HOURS trying to unlock all of the POIs and hunt along the way, and because of the thick trees/brush and super steep mountains, animals literally flee before I can even get close enough to mark them on my binoculars. I have zero interest in playing this map anymore - I have maxed out stealth perks and know how to hunt immersively, yet I still have less than 30 kills total on the map after over 8 hours of playtime there.
I think that this new map's problems are MUCH bigger than the Tahr.

[modest thorn]

Not plugging anything just telling people the place to go to discuss that subject .... why clutter this thread up when its about something totally different

[pulsar wadi]

Because people keep coming in and saying grinders suck and this is what they deserve, so we have to defend why we want certain changes

[modest thorn]

I haven't seen anyone say that grinders suck .... in fact grinding is perfectly valid

[halcyon peak]

Just kind hearted people all around

[short hemlock]

I’m not saying Grinders “Suck”. Tahr don’t drink, neither IRL or Ingame. Sometimes, you just need to adapt to something slightly different.

[modest thorn]

I wouldn't say they are saying that grinders suck .... they know that grinding is here to stay .... and the other thread acknowledges that as well ....

[primal yacht]

Tahr do drink IRL though.

[short hemlock]

They eat snow.

Since they live so high in the mountains water is usually frozen over.

[gusty hawk]

There is no reason for a Tarh to go down 2km every day to go to a lake at the foot of the mountain when I can stand in the sun and eat snow like chamois do.

[halcyon peak]

Well this is mel’s argument the other day. If we want to got “realistic” thar don’t drink because theres no water available. But this thar do have water available really near too

[pulsar wadi]

Not everything in this game needs to be hyper realistic. Great ones are massive spirit looking beasts and they’re in the game 🤷‍♂️

[short hemlock]

Not saying that, never have.

[short hemlock]

In this fictional world they clearly still prefer eating snow🤷‍♂️

[primal yacht]

Mine are only going to be eating dirt if they stay where they are.

[halcyon peak]

Exactly it’s a fictional world, we can totally get them to do the things that would allow everyone in the game to enjoy them

[modest thorn]

I don't believe Tahr should have drink zones ... moving them higher in the mountains would be appropriate ...

[primal yacht]

No drink zones but a home range on a higher elevation is what I was expecting- I'd have 0 complaints if they were that way. But they could at least let us have a caller.

[pulsar wadi]

Yeah that’s the main feedback so far

[surreal pulsar]

Tahr-lash 2024 can be attributed to the shorts made by EW where they openly state this is a mountain-dwelling species and will be found there, not to mention having the Tahr show drinking animations near a body of water in the same short, only to tell us the next day that Tahr do not have drinking zones. What they’ve shown and what they have told us contradict each other. Why show them drinking in a short if they don't drink? And why would you slink them into the Rhododendron forests when in the short (and elsewhere) you clearly state that Tahr are to be found on the mountains and the rocky slopes?
The short in question:

https://youtube.com/shorts/HhZKYi2M3a4?si=PFMMOlETyTOYTIYh

[pulsar wadi]

Move them to the mountains, if they still feel bad, add a drink zone

[halcyon peak]

I honestly think that would solve nothing. They are still gonna be hard to see in the brush and tents are still gonna be a nightmare to place. The mountains in the map are not barren enough for this to work properly imo.

[modest thorn]

Then leave them as is .... no change ... maybe make it a little easier to place a tent on the mountains .....

[slate pagoda]

Tahr lash I love that

[pulsar wadi]

Hey just so we’re all clear, that’s a feeding animation of a tahr Jaxy spawned in Terai of the reveal stream. No drinking animations shown or promised

[pulsar wadi]

People still don’t like the home range even if no drink zone. They should be how Yak are currently

[halcyon peak]

Then we circle back to the beginning. Some people don’t want to grind them, some people do. With the way they work the game is taking out the option for people that like to grind to play the game how they like. GO are still not gonna be found by non grinders but now grinders are also not gonna find them. Everybody looses, the content was put into the game for no reason

[warm summit]

Drink zones or a call. One or the other.

[modest thorn]

Speaking as a causal non grinder, I have no problem hunting for them where they are ... Tent placement is sometimes an issue in the mountains

[halcyon peak]

And that’s great, but would it affect you for them to have a drink zone? Because thats the issue. They took our favorite way of playing for something thats does nothing for the rest of the community. I do also just casually hunt as much as I grind and I see absolutely no benefit in non drink zone animals.

[solemn meadow]

Please add a drink zone, if not though, please make it so that they are consistent and feed out in the open

[modest thorn]

If they are to be moved, then my preference would be for them to be moved higher into the mountains without drink zones as they are portrayed more accurately in that environment... Otherwise they should stay as is ....

[halcyon peak]

How does moving them up the mountains with drink zones affects your gameplay?

[solemn meadow]

Honestly though, it wouldn't be as bad if it werent for all those bushes that re twice the size of the tahr

[tardy glen]

Jus to add another voice to the crowd, Tahr need drink zones

[surreal pulsar]

The problem isn't necessarily what it was, but more so what it alluded to, for people who weren't in attendance for the stream it could be very easy to take that as what it looks like (those that were in attendance know he spawned them in Terai near the river). There was indeed lots of confusion around that short when it was released, but then it was clarified that they don't drink, a small thing that led to quite a bit of head-scratching. But the point when the mark was missed the greatest is in the habitat/home ranges of the tahr. I personally do not like HM, everyone has their takes on it (it is what it is). But I can (and do) grind here and there, I am open to setting up to get a Tahr in the mountains (where their habitat should be) drink zone or not is meh. If the zone was adjusted and they were set to the mountains then maybe we could revisit the idea of drink zones.

[halcyon peak]

Absolutely, but to fix that the devs would need to reshape all the mountains part of the map… thats some crazy work that requires a really really long time. Just to accomplish the same as giving them drink zones

[rotund knot]

they either need drink zones if they leave the current home range how it is or they need moved to be in openings a lot more if they keep no drink zones

[pulsar wadi]

Actually fair shout, if it’s easier to just add drink zones then they should do that. Means we can get the change faster too

[solemn meadow]

Yeah, honestly I don't get the point of removing drink zones. Anyone can hunt any of the other great ones out of a feed zone if they want, it's just removing an option for grinders and that really doesn't help how much I like EW

[modest thorn]

It all comes to to a more realistic portrayal of how the animal actually lives and how difficult it is to hunt them in their natural environment ....

[rotund knot]

this is pretty much my entire view on it

[solemn meadow]

And you can tell it was out of spite, too. The blue sheep got a zone and they are very similar

[left fossil]

Oh look an animal that actually presents a challenge to hunt so now there's a post begging it to be easier. Didn't see that coming.

[modest thorn]

Honestly the deciding factor on all of this are the number of Tahr actually harvested where they are at currently. EW has those numbers for the entire community ... If those numbers are in line with what they expect then it will stay as is ...... If those numbers are people what they expect them to be that will make adjustments to make them easier .....

[halcyon peak]

Yeah but like was stated in the thread before, realism left the boat a long time ago. Great ones are not real, killing tigers or snow leopards consistently is not a thing. All of this were added under the argument that this is a game and we get to do things we can’t in real life. If I wanted a photorealistic game I would probably play something else. This is an arcady game that has things lime drink zones, grinding and luck attached to the core of it’s gameplay. Taking this out for a “realism” thats gets overlooked in all other aspects of the game, is unfair and illogical.

[pulsar wadi]

Let's not attack EW, they care a lot about this game, and spent a whole year making an otherwise stellar map for us, there's just a few bad decisions that are getting in the way of certain things.

[left fossil]

Grinding is the new way to play this game. The hunting is gone. At this point there's really no use in wasting your time. You're in denial if you think this game will ever cater to regular hunting playstyle ever again @modest thorn. I mean no disrespect by that it's just way too plain to see at this point. People want an easy, non challenging, arcade experience. They don't want a hunting game.

[modest thorn]

You have no idea what EW is planing for the future .... They have a lot more competition now and they may be looking to make COTW less arcadey than it has been in the past ....

I think the more challenging tigers and snow leopards are a move in the right direction

[halcyon peak]

It’s not even a new thing. Grinding has existed almost as long as the game has, you can literally find videos from jaxy when he has only a content creator talking about theories on how to manage zones. What happened is that the great ones and some youtubers got it on the spotlight. But it’s been around for a really long time

[halcyon peak]

I do too. But shooting a great portion of your community on the foot is not the right move. Also one of the biggest things that sets cotw apart from other hunting games is the great ones and the grind related mechanics. Attacking this way of playing is just gonna hurt the game in the long run

[solemn meadow]

Not what I'm saying at all. This map is fantastic it's just that fact that they gave blue sheep a zone and tahr didn't get one, it just shows it was very intentional

[modest thorn]

Im just making a conjecture that they may be looking at having some reserves that are more grinder friendly and some reserves that are more difficult to grind .... Not suggesting that they are looking to remove grinding as a playstyle ....

[left fossil]

I know it's not new I just think that at this point everyone is in denial. HM is literally an exploit the devs didn't have the resources to change so they embraced it. Literally "if you can't beat em, join em". All the updates that try to cater to regular hunters get shot down. People don't want to hunt. They want to fast travel between target ranges. The new tent changes make it even more brain dead. Its literally not a hunting game anymore. The Tahr are meant to be challenging that's why they have no drink zone. Any time the studio implements realistic features People start crybaby threads wanting them changed.

[rotund knot]

i don't think it was necessarily in spite but the least they could have done was to make sure they had good feedzone areas

[modest thorn]

I agree with you to a point but you will have to admit that this new map certainly makes HM more difficult with some species .....

[solemn meadow]

They've got the weirdest home range, too. Honestly my biggest problem so far is the inconsistentcy of them, the grind requires all 16 tents and even then it's very difficult

[left fossil]

I don't have a problem making something difficult that makes the game way easier to begin with🤷‍♂️ seems fair to me

[rotund knot]

for sure

[halcyon peak]

When the updates that help not grinders hurt the other side of the community they are gonna get shot down, it’s logical. Idk why non grinders don’t focus on things that would help you and not affect the other side. Like fixing multiplayer, improving animal ai, an so much more. All the “attempts” to cater to non grinders end up just being ways to make the game less enjoyable for grinders.

[left fossil]

Because we beg for those things often and they get don't get messed with. MP is peer to peer. Jaxy says most AI and TruRacs are in a "good place". Also like I said, grinding is literally an exploit. It's a hunting game. Is it so mind blowing I like changes that will actually get people to HUNT? In a game called TheHunter? All I get from these threads are "Can you cater to my exploitous playstyle more so I can have easier G1 success?"

[modest thorn]

its interesting you mention things like animal AI and improving the game in other ways ... well this seems to be what they are doing with this new map ..... The tigers and snow leopards appear to have a more advanced AI and Tahr home range all appear to be make the game more organic .....

You cant please 2 different playstyles with one set of rules .... so now we have a new map with some new rules .... I kind of think its a breath of fresh air for a change ....

[left fossil]

We will see. The map has been out for 2 days to the public and we already got people begging for drink zones. The balance will crumble. Just give it time.

[modest thorn]

I hope not .....

[halcyon peak]

Yeah and I fully support tigers being so few and snow leopards not having drink zones. Those are intended to work that way. Great ones are intended to be found by killing thousands, thats how they are programmed. So the same way people would feel cheaped out if snow leopards had drink zones, grinders feel cheaped out when the animal meant to be grinded cant be grinded in a reasonable way.

[left fossil]

People have G1 after sub 1000 kills so idk where that info is coming from. No one has ever said that's how they're programmed. G1 spawns are random. It can take thousands but it's not programmed that way. So to say Tahr are "meant to be grinded" is simply incorrect. That's cope for reasoning to add drink zones it's not actual reasoning.

The map has been out for 2 days. Not even the full 48 hours. Yall not even gonna see the G1 luck before asking for the zones? Sheesh

[modest thorn]

I think Ursa's point is correct ... its entirely possible that the RNG for Tahr G1 is much lower than other G1's ... we just dont know yet the game has only been out 2 days

[dire brook]

Dude, I hunt immersed and only grind for GOs. I don’t plan on grinding for Tahr, because I don’t care for their GO model. These things are IMPOSSIBLE to hunt, and I love a good challenge - but it’s ridiculous. I barely even see them. I’ve shot ONE, and I’ve played for over 8 hours on the map. There is a line that has to be drawn here.

[left fossil]

Then that's a spawn and range issue. I never said their spawns couldn't be adjusted. I never said the population was perfect. I said there's no need for a drink zone.

[halcyon peak]

Friend thats how statistic works, porcentual chance of finding something means you can find it on the first try or never find it. You take the average of the data and thats your chance, last time I checked it was about 1/3000 for a great one. Things that work around luck based mechanics are meant to be done over and over again until you get it. Thats the core of the gameplay mechanics.

[left fossil]

That's the point You CAN find it on a first try. You can find it on try 100 or try 10,000. You just want the chance to find it to be reduced to spawning near a drink zone and using them for respawns and target practice. Not to actually go find and hunt them.

[modest thorn]

You should also consider the fact that Tahr is the first G1 that is DLC only ... certainly makes sense to me that they would make this change to a more challenging G1 in this way . If there were Tahr already on another map then the drink zone argument would be more valid ..... But here on this map they can choose to do things a little different ....

[bright yew]

Even if tahr don’t get drink zones- they could do with a home range alteration

[left fossil]

I agree they should be further in the mountain instead of the forested areas. That's true.

[halcyon peak]

I want to use the other gameplay mechanic thats being designed for the game the need zones to hunt them efficiently. I would use feed zones for it but the choice of home range and ambient was so poor that I can’t do it. So we are asking for the easiest solution for the devs, which probably is just adding drink zones.

[surreal pulsar]

They gave bears a new drink time away from mountain lions and such (welcomed change no matter where on the grinding spectrum you are), the bear population was not reset with the new drink time (so as not to erase or nullify peep’s grinds, which backfired), the tent feature which has been in the game for at least 5 years has now been altered (still iffy on this), a species that was yoinked from Te Awaroa in the very beginning before it was released is now a key feature in a map (yessssss), Tahr is now a GO (claimed it’s because we requested them the most), Tahr don't gain a drinking zone (people can look past this), but then Tahr is added to the game as a GO species with no drinking zone but this mountain-dwelling species is not primarily found in the mountains (just why)

[modest thorn]

If they are to be moved then move them further north but keep them drinkzone free

[bright yew]

That would be fine

[dire brook]

People aren’t neccessarily arguing for drink zones just to grind. Theyre struggling to find the animals in the first place! Also - I find it weird that your attitude towards grinding is so purist. There are ways to participate in this discussion without berating other playstyles.

[halcyon peak]

I actually thing this is worst, not only you are making pay for the great one, you are also forcing me to spend waaaaay more time to get one. In absolutely any other game this would be predatory behavior towards the player base. I believe in this dev team and I really hope this is mainly an accident in them experimenting other way great ones, but it looks really bad.

[bright yew]

Yeah if they were more in appropriate places, no one would mind not having drink zones as much (I think it’s weird for other reasons as stated but-) right now they’re just in pretty bad spots and some kind of compromise is needed- either a drink zone or better home ranges

[halcyon peak]

I still think the issues with tents and brush would remain. If they decrease the brush in the mountains maybe, but then again that probably takes a lot of work.

[left fossil]

I'm not berating anything. You find it weird I don't like spawning exploits? I'm calling it what the devs called it and I'm calling it what it is. An exploit. I'm SURE it's not what was envisioned when this game came out. Regardless it's a thing now but with it being a thing it also means the game is updated to cater to it. Which affects the game as a whole. The same way you think my purist stance does. Am I not allowed to voice my opinion on things affect a game I paid for? I don't want Tahr drink zones. I don't want to track them there. I don't want to shoot them there. I don't want to work around a drink time. I could care less about the great one or other people's trophies. I have reasons of my own. Goats don't scale mountains daily. So I'm cool with no drink zone.

[modest thorn]

Nothing predatory about it .... If they choose to have some maps more difficult than others that is their prerogative ..... Its nothing personal against the players .... They are testing the waters so to speak .... If this doesnt work out they may go back to the same old boring formula ....

[pulsar wadi]

Way too much work

[halcyon peak]

Yeah that’s what blizzard said when they added loot boxes to overwatch 😂😂 (then again not comparing them to blizzard I really do believe there was no ill intention in this changes)

[dire brook]

I never said anything about your way of playing the game actively hurting it. That’s the difference - nobody is attacking immersed gamers (like us) for playing that way. I personally think that both can exist in the game, and that they both should in order to cater to different audiences. Someone using HM or grinding isn’t affecting your gameplay. COTW isn’t competitive. That’s sort of what irks me about these conversations.
Sorry if this got off topic, I didn’t mean to take it in a weird direction. I just noticed this recent uptick in us vs them mentalities when it comes to playing immersed vs grinding, and it’s confusing to me lol

[pulsar wadi]

Xbox has this corporate slogan, but it’s true, when everybody plays, we all win

[surreal pulsar]

If they need a species to fill some sort of void in the rhododendron forests then surely another could be adjusted or add a new species/bring an old one in for it. Just why move the Tahr away from the mountains? (I'm aware that this is not nearly as simplistic as typing it up seems, it is just odd for this to be a point of contention)

[modest thorn]

So why does every map have to cater to one playstyle with the same old mechanics .... why cant we have something a little unique for a change?

[halcyon peak]

Yeah I do believe theres a way that both playstyles can coexist. Revontili is a great example. I can hunt land birds there for years. But I can also have my whitetail set up in case I want to grind.

[pulsar wadi]

Every map caters to both

[dire brook]

Every single map released so far is great for both imo. Idk why anyone thinks otherwise - the entire map exists, use it if you’d like, or not!

[left fossil]

Because hunting in a hunting game doesn't hurt anything. It's the way the game was meant to be played. There's an uptick because obviously if there's alternate opinions one is valid as another. Maybe immersed hunters are finally figuring that out that this game is losing its balance of realism and its becoming a straight up arcade game. I care so much because every other hunting game is trash. Thus is legit the only one fleshed out enough to make it worth playing long term. Changes made affect everyone and IMO these changes they're making just make the game so much less immersion than it already is. And it lacks a ton.

[modest thorn]

great glad to here yall say that then we dont need to chnage anything ..... discussion over

[halcyon peak]

But we do, snow leopard are unique to not grinding, tigers were clearly meant to be that way too but there where some problems. I think thats the direction, keep the GO’s grindable but each new map should have someting truly rare in there too

[dire brook]

How does the mere option of being able to grind harm your gameplay??? You can literally just.. Not do it, and hunt normally. I do it all the time. If I feel like grinding, I go to my NEM and hunt Moose. If not, I go wherever I feel like it and have a blast hiking and hunting what I can find. It’s not that deep.
Again I don’t want to start arguments or bring the chat off topic. But adding drink zones to Tahr literally changes nothing for those who want to hunt immersively. I’ll enjoy hunting Tahr immersively MUCH more if they have drinking zones. Grinding or not, it’s nice to have a place where a species can be found semi-reliably.

[surreal pulsar]

In theory, Tahrs could still be viable to grind without a drinking zone, drinking zones don't immediately negate immersion just as lacking them doesn't negate the possibility to grind for them.

[left fossil]

Because people will praise these updates that make the game brain dead easy and it'll leak over into immersion based hunting. Just wait fam. Guarantee Tahr will have a drink zone soon. That affects me right? Or will my Tahr just not drink because they respect my opinion? Is that not me being affected if I decided to hunt Tahr?

[dire brook]

How would Tahr having a drink zone affect you?? It does nothing but add a place where animals can be found.

[left fossil]

You could answer that yourself just by thinking. How would the placement of animals in a different spot affect someone's gameplay? You could ask the same question for everyone begging for drink zones and easier spots. They sure seem to think it'll affect them so why wouldn't it affect me? It's literally the topic of the thread. Move the Tahr so players can be affected.

[dire brook]

I genuinely just think youre upset that so called “grinders” want a change in place. Plenty of other, not commonly “grinded” animals have drink zones.
I really am sorry that you’d rather the game be miserable (takes 1 hour plus to find an animal, no reliable animal locations that have good sightlines) for around HALF of the playerbase than… Have a fluffy goat drink on your map.

[left fossil]

I think you're making assumptions on my motives rather than sticking with the discussion at hand. I would rather that actually. Pleasant change of pace from the monotonous drink zone, teleport, drunk zone, sleep, teleprt, drink zone. Over and over.

[dire brook]

Like, there's a point where difficulty becomes unpleasant.

[dire brook]

Are you playing that way in your current maps? Do you play that way? Because if not, this is a whole non issue. Nobody is forcing you to set up tents and grind.

[warm summit]

And yet you can do that by hunting another way. Just because there are drink zones doesn't mean you HAVE to use them.

[left fossil]

No I'm not. But it seems the majority does. Perplexes me how you can't see how this is gonna have long term affects. It already has really. Hence why changes like this happen. It doesn't affect me now bit sooner or later the updates will start that will

[surreal pulsar]

It’s not necessarily for simplicity's sake though, that's not what we are asking for, what the main issue is this question “What is the easiest fix to the Tahr issues in hand that we could ask/seek from EW?”

[warm summit]

Easiest fix imo is a caller or drink zones. One or the other. Drinks zones they get out to the lakes. Or a caller so I can call them out of the forest.

[dire brook]

Why do you care about how other people play? And giving an animal a drink zone so grinders can grind and immersed gamers can stumble across them drinking is in no way going to "have long term effects".

[left fossil]

We can agree to disagree. I'm sticking with my foresight and you're asking silly questions. We've been discussing this all this time for you to ask me "why do I care how other people play". This conversation is a waste of time at this point because obviously you haven't been listening.

[waxen fable]

Way I see it, not every species needs a drink zone

And that is a hill I will stand on

[surreal pulsar]

If it proves to be a monumental task to disband the Tahr in the forests then drink zones could be the answer, however, if the situation is true in reverse then don't grant drink zones but move the home ranges to the mountains. Not everything needs to be a “this AND this” scenario.

[dull shell]

Please don't give Tahr a drink zone. It's not a crime to have one GO harder than the rest. Many regular players are tired of seeing creators do the same old drink zone grinding and want to see them be challenged

[pulsar wadi]

Right now it’s looking like what even the grinders want is them to be in the open in the mountains, also a game shouldn’t be balanced around watching YouTube videos

[tardy delta]

They are clearly upset that the business/product leans more towards changes for where the majority of their revenue comes from rather than the minority. Both sides are valid and have legitimate opinions. At the end of the day EW is going to do what’s going to bring in the most revenue because that’s what businesses do. And if it creates more sales, it’s because that’s what the majority of the customers want. It’s the nature of running a business. Without the revenue they can’t continue to develop the game.

[pulsar wadi]

The reason it’s easy for content creators to get trophies is because it’s their full time job to play this game, that’s why they get so many, not because it’s easy

[dull shell]

@pulsar wadi that's cool. As long as it's not a drink zone

[halcyon peak]

True, the reason they are leaning into Great one content so much is because it brings more playtime to the game than any other style. Imo it’s a good way of keeping hardcore players engaged in the game, but theres always gonna be people that don’t like it.

[bright yew]

Yeah Tahr need some changes. I’m experiencing weird respawns and zones literally deleting themselves after being found without even having 1 animal shot from them- deleted from the map itself and actually never appearing on the ground again/no animals there. This is making it impossible because I find a zone, set up, and then they disappear without me getting to hunt it…

[solemn meadow]

I'm not even mad anymore that they don't have drink zones, the feed zones are worse than I ever expected

[halcyon peak]

The fact not a single one has been found and that almost nobody is grinding them in opening week says everything we need to know about tahr. They either get changed or get forgotten by the community

[solemn meadow]

Yeah nobody hunts animals that don't drink or drink at night. This is the dumbest thing they have ever done

[short hemlock]

The whole community loves turkeys and chamois🤷‍♂️

[bright yew]

Literally

[solemn meadow]

Out of how many species that dont have zones? 15?

[bright yew]

I like a challenge but man…I’d rather hunt snow leopards all day

[halcyon peak]

People lime turkeys because they feed on open spaces and are dumb. Literally nobody hunts chamois, I tried finding a trophy posted for chamois and I literally couldn’t find one no matter how much I scrolled.

[short hemlock]

Both the species I mentioned are the best species to find in open spaces.

[halcyon peak]

Exactly OPEN SPACES. Thats the problem.

[bright yew]

It’s just frustrating like losing zones for literally no reason and zones having animals stop respawning in them- so you go look for other zones and then the zone just disappears again literally once you find it….how can you hunt them with any real consistency? That’s my main issue rn, not even mentioning the brushhhhhh

[short hemlock]

It seems like you just have to manage them into the places you want them to be (Tahr) If Crow can do it, I’m sure you can🤷‍♂️

God forbid you manage your population.

[halcyon peak]

Sure, in the meantime you can find me a posted trophy of this fan favorite chamois. It should take us about the same time. Maybe we can do yearly reunions to show progress 😂😂

[short hemlock]

Y1 of scrolling through COTW themed sub reddits, discord pages, YouTube videos! (Only 24 because I’m about as lazy as the people who don’t want to manage their population into zones that are actually shootable)

[halcyon peak]

I’m sorry to tell you this… but more than half of those are from the time that chamois had a drink zones😂. All good tho I appreciate the effort on not allowing people to play how they like

[short hemlock]

Pretty sure these are from feedzones, don’t see any water😂

[bright yew]

Nah most of those are from when chamois had drink times 100%- can tell by the harvest screen

[bright yew]

What about zones disappearing tho and them being really inconsistent? Because I found a good zone today from trying to do this, but it literally vanished off my map without any hunting being done.

[short hemlock]

Plenty of people hunted them in their feedzones, quite a few time lapsed their hunt, no water to be found, perhaps they were coming from their drink zones, all photos shown were either feeding or resting.

[bright yew]

There’s a couple literally where you can see the water in the background…plus they’re in a drinking animation

[halcyon peak]

Thats the thing bro, I don’t see this people. This is the only (one of the few) trustworthy sources of information from trophies, and theres simply almost none in the recent times for non drinking animals. You can look for jackal, even goats that used to be insanely sought after are now barely found. The only “exceptions” are turkey and springbok because they are easy to find, they live everywhere and are dumb as rocks.

[short hemlock]

I don’t, but arguing over virtual Himalayan Tahr is wild.

[bright yew]

I can highlight it if needed? Plus I’m not arguing at all- I’m giving feedback and responses to what you’re saying

I’m more than happy for tahr to not have drink zones, but there’s some real issues. I think they might have some kind of zone bug. I’ve been grinding with 2 other people tonight who are having the same issues. There’s some adjustments needed, whether that be adding a drink zone or shifting tahr slightly in terms of where they’re living

[halcyon peak]

I do think drinking zones are the solution, mainly because theres just too many different problem with the state of the tahr at the moment. A solution without drink zones would need to change their home ranges, fix the problems with tent placement in mountains, clear some of the brush in Himal, and fix their spawn and feed zones bugs or issues (maybe not all but really most of them in order to actually solve the problem). Drinking zones just do most of all those things in a single change. You don’t even need new animations just paste the feeding one. From my point of view it’s the cleanest, fastest and easier solution to the issue.

Also if just add drink zones then you don’t change the experience for players that don’t want to grind. People would still be able to hunt them exactly as they do at the moment. If you put them drinking at the same time as tigers 90% of people wouldn’t even notice the difference.

[bright yew]

True, I do agree, comparing notes with others, it sounds like there’s potentially a few different bugs affecting them too- like I said I don’t mind too much exactly how things are adjusted but I definitely think even from a casual perspective some changes are needed

[halcyon peak]

My only fear with the adjustments is that we get something that doesn’t really solve the problem and we will be either stuck with the same problems for a year or more or even worse that they wont get revisited a second time. EW has some history of being slow with bug fixes and changes the community requests. If they changes miss the mark we don’t really know how long until we get a second round. Also things like re shaping himal sound like an atrocious amount of work for a team that just finished a huge proyect.

[solemn oar]

@bright yew I agree. The lack of drinks zones isn’t the problem. I actually like the extra challenge. But there needs to be the same consistency for the challenge to work the way it should.

[tardy delta]

I’d say the lack of drink zones is the problem due to the design of the map. Tahr are alpine and sub-alpine animals which means above the tree line to just below the tree line. The map design does not have an alpine region and sub-alpine being overrun with 8ft tall bushes is ludicrous. I’d have no issues with no drink zones if they did their research and designed the map as so but they didn’t, so either change the entire northeast portion of the map or give them a drink zone to appease those who are actually interested in this GO Tahr they put so much effort into.

[bright yew]

This, this is exactly what I wanted to say. ^

[acoustic kraken]

Best way I see it, there are 2 simple (I think) fixes. Move the tahr population into the more open areas on the map, but increase their visual detection radius out to say, 150-175m. That keeps the difficulty up for that mountain hunting experience. Option 2, adjust the Tahr GO spawning to be a GO chance every X amount of time on the map. Side note GO need a unique audio

[halcyon peak]

Go unique audio would be really good.

[near crystal]

When you find a feed zone the tahr are usually walking all over the mountain side while apparently "eating" if that was fixed I think I'd help alot and the tahr definitely need to be moved into a higher part of the map or have drink zones.

[bright yew]

Yeah the constant walking is annoying. It’s not a deal breaker but doesn’t help…

[warm summit]

I tried setting up for tahr this morning on zones I found last night that had plenty of tahr. This morning POOF no tahr in a few of those zones. Idk they appear to have a lot of issues. It's a shame because I know a lot of work went into them and they look amazing. But they will be long forgotten if something isn't changed.

[near crystal]

Yea there is definitely something very broken about there spawning iv had alot of zones somehow dissappear out of nowhere and if it's not the zones it's most of the tahr out of them

[bright yew]

Something I forgot to mention here last night was the fact my main zones are often disappearing, animals included, without being deleted by hunting pressure. Sometimes they just vanish. Sometimes it’ll re-discover the zone over and over every time I spot that group of animals. It’s clearly something being broken, no other zones have ever worked like that for me.

[bright yew]

Snap, it’s the same for me- literally what I was typing at the same time/just sent!

[halcyon peak]

I do think this is a problem either in sunderpatan or a new bug introduced in the new update. I had that happen to my yak too. Hopefully not another “intended” change

[near crystal]

Yea no it's a real pain and very confusing

Half of my zones with males and females the males have just fully vanished

[bright yew]

Yup. Makes me not want to bother with them- which takes A LOT for me to say. Feels like a waste of time atm. No I’m not looking for “easy mode” or whatever people might say- but there’s genuinely issues with this species and it’s just so frustrating not just from a grind aspect but just from a general gameplay one too- because if I find a zone for a trophy and tracks fail to show up/stop like they do sometimes, and the zone deletes itself?….it’s just a mess. Praying some kind of solution is found

[near crystal]

Absolutely there is definitely alot wrong with them atm I have no idea what it is exactly but it's really weird

[civic totem]

1. I think tahr should remain without a drink zone due to in rl where they don't need to drink.

2. Tahr being almost always in the forest is ridiculous and annoying as in this country they prefer steep scree slopes and mountainous terrain which is usually open country as the elevation is too high for trees much of the time.

3. I'm not sure simply copying a goat's bleat sits well as their mating call.

4. Why are tahr weak to shoot? In rl they stand up to bullets as well as and sometimes better than red deer due to thick skin, thick fur and bone structure.

5. With max weight for diamond tahr being 140 (perhaps it should be slightly higher) then maybe tahr should be class 5.

6. I'm confused about the truscore on tahr? It says horn length, but in what unit? 9.36 what? I want to compare it to rl trophies.

7. They should be called himalayan tahr, not just tahr. Seems appropriate considering sundar has northern red muntjac.

The good: Models look great, mane looks awesome, horns look awesome, the warning call is on point and they're fun to hunt

[solemn meadow]

Ok are we really even sure g1 tahr aren't broken? Usually there's at least 1 or 2 lucky G1s within 150 kills but there's been none so far...

[halcyon peak]

Barely anyone is grinding them, you can notice that by the lack of trophies in general. If the normal amount of people where hunting them, we should have more diamonds and rares, even if GOs are broken

[solemn meadow]

Very true, but I know that theres definitely at least 50 ppl grinding them rn

[halcyon peak]

My best guess is that people can get consistent 10 kills and hour (what I heard is the BEST grind for now) we would be lucky to see one before next month

[solemn meadow]

So far me and my friend are able to get 2 tahr out of 6-7 zones

[halcyon peak]

If you are getting 2 thar per hour, you should not expect one this year probably 😅. The average grind before HM used to be 3000 kills. So killing 2 tahr an hour it should take you a mere 1500 hours to reach the expected kills, you can get lucky of course but the average player should be needing around 3000 kills (at least for the last time I watched videos or asked for grind numbers)

[solemn meadow]

No I mean like each. I'm rotating on 15 and he's rotating on like 13, we're getting about 45 tahr per hour

[halcyon peak]

Oh dual hunting, thats interesting. Let us know how that works out

[solemn meadow]

No were on separate maps

[rotund knot]

drink zones would only be the solution if they don’t change the tents

[halcyon peak]

Yeah changing the tents back is gonna make grinding in the mountains more difficult, but still is gonna be easier that what we have now.

[rotund knot]

if they change the tents and give drink zones then people will still probably complain because the lakes in himal aren’t open enough to have a lot of good shooting areas

the best case scenario is that they just give them better feed zones in the open areas only imo

[civic totem]

Tahr don't need drink zones. Once grinders figure it out it won't be an issue

[halcyon peak]

Actually himal is pretty ggood for grinding, the thing is de 200 meters are gonna force people to walk a lot, but thats okay, it’s gonna be a hard grind either way.

[halcyon peak]

Hi we are the grinders, we can’t figure it out 😂

[rotund knot]

i think the only way to get more tahr in the open is to blow out zones tbh but then again you can’t hardly even find the ones that are in the trees to shoot them anyway

[civic totem]

They need to be moved into the open though, it's unrealistic

[halcyon peak]

Yeah thats one of the possible solutions we are proposing, get them on the top of the mountains.

[rotund knot]

if they’d just be in more open areas to begin with i don’t think any of the grinders or at least most of them would be complaining about it

[civic totem]

Open ground seems a common consensus

[civic totem]

And what about all this?

[halcyon peak]

I think we are just gonna notice that coverage in zones is just one of the issues, tent and tripod placement in the mountains is impossible. Mel and a bunch of other grinders were reporting the feed zones literally disappearing by themselves, tahr not showing up and more. I think drinking zones could bypass all those problems.

[rotund knot]

the whole zone disappearing thing they have going on actually worries me that if they gave them drink zones that that would just also happen with that and potentially carry over to all drink zone species

[halcyon peak]

I agree with everything but not drinking zones, game is not realistic never was. Snow leopard hunting is not a thing, great ones neither. Even if we still think about realism animals do drink if they have water available. Our tahr have tons of it.
I think gameplay should be first and at the moment the great one tahr is an awful experience. If we don’t fix it then the only thing we are getting is 99.99% of the community never seeing this GO, I think thats a waste of resources and a wonderful animal in the game.

[stark glade]

I enjoy that they don't have drink times, but quite honestly they're the most elusive animal on the map for me, even compared to the panthers. The issue could simply be fixed with toning down the woodlands in the mountains or congregating the herds to larger sizes

[halcyon peak]

Yeah is really worrying, I have this happen to me yak drink zones too. The thing is that in drink zones you just find the missing animals in another lake. With feeding god knows where the animals can go, literally anywhere in their homerange.

[civic totem]

There's still realism involved otherwise what's the point. If drink zones are added though, it's easy mode again. Move them up the peaks where they should be

[halcyon peak]

I really don’t agree with saying grind are easy mode. They take and incredible amount of time, dedication and preparation. They also take a ton of in game money. If we add that to the difficulty of hunting the lakes in the mountains (specially when they change the tents again) and you still gonna have the hardest GO to obtain, but it would be possible for people that can’t play 24/7. Is not that I’m against moving them up and keeping the feed zones, I just think thats not gonna solver the main issue. Like someone said we would also need to reduce the amount of forest in himal (highly unreal with the environment of tahr too) and that would be a giant work for the devs. Drink zones accomplish the same, faster and easier. If you put the zones between 4am to 8 am non grinders are not gonna even notice the difference and they are going to be able to hunt them normally the rest of the day. Both ways of gameplay stay respected and we get a solution in a reasonable amount of time.

[civic totem]

Easy is a relative term. The dev team sees many people getting GOs via drink time so they've decided on a new challenge to adapt to. It was said on stream it can be figured out.

[halcyon peak]

With all respect to the devs, it’s clear that they don’t have the grinded style of playing figure out. You can see it on the tent changes, they clearly thought that fixing that would make tents less abuse and now we have the most broken grinding ever. Same with tigers, they couldn’t notice what would happen if you give a predictable position to a low population animal. So I see perfectly possible that they thought it was possible and in reality the experience is hell itself. When you have some of the most dedicated players in the community actively avoiding the GO or getting absolutely frustrated with it, the message of the real estate of the tahr is clear.

[civic totem]

Maybe, no one has figured whatever their method is. Disappearing zones is a problem bug though. The tent non spooking is a bug confirmed by jaxy. The tiger issue is definitely an unintended abuse problem

[brazen breach]

That’s been happening to a lot of the new species for me, especially yak zones

[halcyon peak]

I really don’t thing theres a method to this. Even if tents where a bug, not checking bugs in the most important deployable for a big part of the community is really bad. Tiger might have been unintended but definitely preventable and predictable, it’s the golden rule of games with luck base rewards, people are gonna probe every single angle for a way to make things easier. If you understand your community you know whats gonna happen, even them telling us in the stream that there where only one tiger in a homerange was a bad idea, after hearing that and finding out they could drink it was a matter of time before someone found a way to abuse the system. But thats beside the topic. The thing is GO tahr is awful and needs to be change in order to players actually get one.

[civic totem]

And you're telling me. I spent the first hour of the new map dealing with weapons not being on aim (an issue without the zeroing perk). Not a good intro to the map

Anyway, tahr have about 5 or 6 ways they could be improved

[rotund knot]

i don’t believe the tents to be working properly as the devs intended

i feel like the rendering thing is working as intended just not the spooking as i believe they’re supposed to spook instead of staying

[halcyon peak]

Idk man, the more I think about it the more questions I have. But thats deviating too much from the tahr topic and I also prefer to keep my criticism constructive.

[civic totem]

They're not. Jaxy said it's a bug

[uncut bone]

I'm going to interject a little into the topic because I'd like to say what I think. I have nothing against 'grinding playstyle', and I believe that people should play the way they prefer. I play the game to get in touch with nature when I can't be in it. As a biologist, what makes me play are animals, and only animals. That said, I never cared much about trophies. Of course, I always get excited when I see a rare or potential diamond, but my goal has never been to specifically pursue a trophy of a certain species. What I do - or at least try to do - is hunt in the most realistic and immersive way possible. In the hours I spent in Sundarpatan, practically all I did was sneak around in the jungles to the south of the map, tracking muntjacs in an attempt to not only kill them, but observe them. I completely understand grinders' frustration at the lack of a drinking area for tahr, and honestly, if necessary, I would have no problem adding it. I mean, it wouldn't be stopping me from playing in the realistic/immersive way I like, and the other side would be happy with the addition. The only thing I would really like to see is an update to improve the game's hunting, so that it doesn't compromise the grind. It is a hunting simulator, after all. I would really like there to be an AI improvement for each species, new animations, etc. In short, things that would benefit the game's hunters and that would not compromise the grinders. I apologize for the long text and the off topic.

The problem is that I feel that for those who want to hunt in a more realistic way, the game offers fewer opportunities, even though it is, theoretically, a simulator. I fully believe it's possible for the grinding playstyle to coexist with a more polished and immersive hunting experience.

[tardy glen]

#fixthetahr

[crude tree]

#FIXTHETHAR

[gentle agate]

Tahr don't respawn in traditional zones of males and females, they don't eat any where near their zones, home range is horrible, and they need a drink zone what animal in this world does not drink..... #FixtheTahr,

[next wave]

#FixTheTahr

[dense idol]

Just put them in the open mountains, don’t give them a drink zone

[jaunty igloo]

Nah I love the real feeling Mountain hunting but those are actually fun as they are actually on the mountain where they are supposed to be

[jaunty igloo]

They are popular that's why people love chamois, mountain goat and snow leopard but the tahr are done poorly

[bleak remnant]

NO ONE hunts Chamois or mountain goats

[jaunty igloo]

I know a lot of people who do that love those species and have them up in they're top 10 because it feels like real mountain hunting. But the tahr...

I was honestly happy for a feed zone go but the tahr chill in thick brush and not on open mountain tops which is incredibly dumb

[undone beacon]

Tahr need drink zones. Don’t even care if they drink at night, but my experience hunting them so far has not been enjoyable tbh

[short smelt]

i get that, but the tahr cannot be in the pahad area, WAY too thick, only like certain areas of the Himal region

[jaunty igloo]

If the feed zones where cool and would only chill on the mountain tops of himal they would be great

A proposed range map for them if you would wanna make them feed zone only

[undone beacon]

That would make them much better. But I believe taking away drink zones from animals like tahr, mountain goats, chamois, etc. just cause people to hunt them less. Of course, there will be some people that still hunt them, but I feel like it takes away the optimal way to hunt these species for no good reason.

[jaunty igloo]

I'm not opposed to drink zones similarly ranged to the yak either but Im fine with feed zones if done properly too

[short smelt]

Tahr live so high in some places that they don't drink water, they usually just eat snow (i think)

[wild flame]

Which would be fine ingame if they werent alwasy in the damn forest
where you cant see them through anything until you are within 25metres it feels like

For me Tahr need 1 of 2 things, either drink zones or to be moved further north out of the forests.
Hunting them now is such a frustrating and difficult experience spending a huge amount of time prone crawling to within 25m. Which for taking out random tahr really isnt at all rewarding or fun.
I hunted a few tahr and now just ignore them honestly.

[short smelt]

i agree, i think they could be a non-drink zone animal if they fix their range

[dire lake]

same with the blue sheep they should not be located anywhere near the pahad region

[wild flame]

Also, I like all animals except the really small ones having drink zones, unfortunate they removed them on some

[dire lake]

*animals that dont drink in real life

it forces the players to take a different approach to hunting those animals which is fundamentally a good thing imo 🤷‍♂️
keeps things fresh instead of the same drink zone crap 24/7
also, realism

[tawdry knoll]

It would be better if they had least had a more defined home-range. Right now, pretty much all zones are in thick forest from what I can tell.

[gentle agate]

The Tahr need some serious help. This Great One has the chance of being a good Great One to Grind and make it on peoples favorite list. Currently we are seeing the following issues, Males are not respawning on a consistent enough bases, The Feed zones are so Spread out 100m every direction of the feed zone indicator, They need to be pulled out into the open get them out of the trees and bushes. I get there is several ways to play this game but why force everyone to be a run and gun hunter. The run and gun hunters made it to the point they are at before this just fine with the way stuff worked before. Your forcing everyone to run and gun when we just want to sit and grind. #FixTheTahr #Grinders-Opinions-Matter Keep the Feed zones just make some changes all I am asking for. My opinion can be different from yours by all means, we have to say something for something to happen.

[wild flame]

fine, but them push them north onto the mountain top not have them in the dense woodland

[dire lake]

yes

[acoustic kraken]

Ideal tahr fix: move tahr feed zones further north out of the forests. Rest zones can be in the thick stuff still. Change tahr great one spawning from conventional to time on map based. For example, every 30 minutes on Sundar there’s a chance for GO to spawn. Cap it so not more than one can spawn at a time. This makes it available for non-grinders, allows grinding, and encourages searching the entire home range for your great one instead of a few localized zones

[short hemlock]

If they wanted something class 3-7 to live in the upper Pahad, they should’ve done either Himalayan Musk Deer, Axis Deer, Goral, Indian Boar, Asiatic Black Bear, or Sambar. Not Blue Sheep and Tahr. Look at every hunting photo for Blue Sheep and Tahr, you’ll see a whole lotta snow, and NO trees. The lack of true High Alpine and Proper mountains put this map in a very difficult spot… because y’know it’s supposed to be Himalayan, this makes me hopeful we will get a Pakistani map to do Bharal right.

[eternal owl]

#fixthetahr

[solemn meadow]

#fixthetahr

[halcyon peak]

I found some tahr poop by the side of the main outpost, thats nuts if you think about it. If not for some maps like pro xck I would never even had think about looking for them there.

[bright yew]

Whattttt

[halcyon peak]

I KNOW, I got so mad

[dreamy ivy]

You dont need to force a play style by reducing choise options
If every body grinds drink zones theres a reason, they enjoy it.
If you dont like it, then dont do it.
You can still grind feed zones if you want to.

[left fossil]

It wild how much of an issue it becomes when you can't farm an animal by the dozens per hour. Yall don't ever want this game to change away from that wide open shot by a drink zone.

[halcyon peak]

For the discussion you had in this thread I think that you are the one doesn’t want people to play any other way than the one you consider correct. Some none grinders came and gave actual alternatives and concerns. Nobody gets hurt for us asking for what we think would make the game more fun for us. If your argument is that you don’t like the way we play just don’t do it and ignore people that likes it. If you don’t feel Great Ones are fair for non grinders then please participate in the thread about it, theres a couple. Hating on other players does nothing.

[wild flame]

"I can't get diamonds and rares or GO's so no one can" attitude. And you completely miss the point about what most people have an issue with here. Not the lack of drink zones but their location on the map and how infuriating it makes hunting them, adding drink zones would be one fix for this

[civic totem]

No drink zones, shift them to the mountain tops where they belong

[left fossil]

I'm not missing a point. The animal is hard to hunt. Everyone is complaining because of difficulty. That's the point. Everyone wants the same formula for everything. The minute it's a different thing, it's a war cry. I'm not wrong. I'm in the same discord as you all. It's not about the diamonds and rares for me its about playing the game. Having some diffcult finding them has been refeshing for me. I have what I've hunted and I don't whine about not having more.

[wild flame]

I have yet to find a tahr outside of woods
Google photos of tahr and tell me about the woods

[near crystal]

I'm not gonna lie iv gotta use to the tahr now and am enjoying them so if you guys get them changed I'm gonna be mad

They are actually so easy of you just take your time to set up a grind and look for zones

[civic totem]

They don't live in the forest all the time though

[near crystal]

There's only 2 places where they live in the pink forests

The only time I think they'll needa be changed is if they change the tents so they spook if you spawn at them if not then I'm honesty fine with them I feel if I really wanted to I could even heard manged them all

[halcyon peak]

It’s great you play that way man, good for you. I don’t want to. Nobody would dare to force you or criticize you for playing that way. If you want to hunt one thing for 3 hours and think thats good for you then do it. Don’t try to force me to play that way tho. None of the changes talked about in this thread hurt your way of playing. Tahr are still gonna be eating between the bushes most of the day, even if you get them a drink zone, so if you wanna spend all Saturday evening hunting one animal you’ll be able to do it, as you have ALWAYS been able to. No method, no exploit, herd manage or grind is ever gonna be able to take that from you.

[civic totem]

All the zones I've found pasing through are in vegetation cover

[left fossil]

It wild how any suggestion made FOR HM is praised but any against that style of play is already met with "but you don't have to play that way". A drink time bothers hunting hours in the woods. How does that not affect the way i play? It does. Therefore I'm affected. Tahr eat snow for hydration sometimes so if they legit just SOME sit drink zones around in snowy areas aloof some foliage so they can "drink" in the snow and put SOME on bodies of water we can both be happy. You get some HM friendly drink zones and I get some immersive, tricky shot inducing forest hunting. Can we agree that would be cool and stop arguing? I have my opinions and you have yours but At this point I don't wanna fight you anymore guy @halcyon peak I can respect an opposite opinion because it's matched my resolve. Even if on tbe other side.

[civic totem]

Well me and some others are with you on not adding drink zones for tahr

[wild flame]

I care more about moving where the tahr are to more inline with yaks than drink zone, but drinkzone would also fix them for me

[near crystal]

Do not change the tahr if they were originally in the mountains it would of been better but now I'm going good on the grind and am actually happy with them DO NOT CHANGE THE TAHR.

[solemn meadow]

#fixthetahr

[jaunty igloo]

#1254221563923009647

[obsidian grove]

The main problem I have with the way tahr are currently isn't the lack of drink zones. I prefer hunting animals in their drink zones, but not having drink zones doesn't bother me too much as long as the feed zones for the animals are in open areas like fields and meadows (where grazing animals normally feed anyway in real life).

What bothers me the most about these Tahr in the game is that they seem to be primarily in thick brushy dense forested areas, which are nowhere near the open high elevation parts of the map that should be their primary habitat. If them being in the thick brush was realistic then I could just hunt them there and deal with the difficulty of hunting them there. However, the fact that it's so unrealistic as to be immersion-breaking along with being unnecessarily difficult makes me want to not even bother going after them.

I think that's a shame, because this is such a beautiful, unique and majestic creature that is so sought-after in real life and has such a beautiful model in the game, it deserves to be allowed to roam in those high alpine tundras where it belongs, instead of awkwardly darting between the trees where it seems totally out of place.

[jaunty igloo]

I 100% agree If they would feed in open mountain tops like mountain goats in a similar range on the map like in my proposal ( #1254221563923009647 ) then the no drinking thing wouldn't bother me

[obsidian grove]

I mean, just do a simple Google images search for Himalayan Tahr (which should be their name in the game btw because there are other species of Tahr irl). Most of the pictures you see of them will have them either on steep mountain slopes or in high treeless alpine tundra, very few pictures actually show them in any forested areas.

We have plenty of open alpine meadows in the far north of Sundarpatan, and there's not many animals that you see in most of them other than the occasional roaming Tibetan Fox or herd of Yaks, and if you're lucky you might occasionally see a Snow Leopard up there. It seems very obvious to me that the Tahr belongs up in those higher areas, not most of the areas where they are now.

[jaunty igloo]

I agree totally

[gray copper]

we need drink zones or they should remove some debris

[near crystal]

You guys need to stop complaining there's nothing wrong with a hard grind I was against it at first but now i love the tahr and am going to actually be excited getting a really rare trophy unlike all the other g1s nowadays you guys just wanna get you easy tahr and I'm not for it

[short hemlock]

The problem is barely even that it’s hard, where they are located on the map at this exact moment makes no sense.

[near crystal]

While you guys are out here complaining I'm here working hard for my trophy and if you guys ruin it I'm gonna be pissed, at least now In the game we have a worth while g1 that actually has rarity and isn't getting passed around like every other g1

[dim rivet]

Without reading all of the thread, only bits, I’ve found it challenging - even outside of a grind. Them not having drink zones and their rest zone areas primarily being in wooded zones mean it’s more difficult to spot them.

In the end though, I don’t think it’s really like…bad. EW providing differing experiences and levels of challenge is fine to me.

Though I will say, if people are looking for a more mountian top area with fewer debris, this is where I bagged my diamond tahr, and there’s like 3-4 tahr feed zones on my map there, with a rather clean mountian top range. There might be more like it, I just haven’t fully looked through the map for tahr yet.

Blue sheep also like to hang there as well.

[near crystal]

Not nesasery tahr irl do go down into bush and stuff that's where most ppl in nz get trophy tahr now cause they hid away down in the bush and it's good like I said if the were in the tops in the wide open it would be a easy grind which I'm not for, this finally brings a real grind to the game

Everyone in here just wants it to be easier so they can get their little tahr. Not everyone is meant to be able to get it, I don't wanna see pictures of tahr everyday, I want to get a trophy that is genuinely rare

[short hemlock]

Sure, it is brushy but it’s still above the tree line, look at 90% of trophy pictures.

[dim rivet]

If it is about it not making sense habitat wise, I’m not incredibly hung up on it. It’s lower down the mountain sure but not incredibly low attitude, which is enough realistic leeway for me in how COTW operates.

[near crystal]

Most people haven't even takin the time to actually learn abt the animal and learn how to grind them, literally no tahr on the map eat in a ******* forest

[dim rivet]

Though I say all that but not like I’m opposed to any changes that’d make them easier, just don’t see an absolute need to and think EW making more difficult animals is fine

[halcyon peak]

I just spent 2 hours trying them. MOST my tahr eat in the forest, after one run most of the zones became female only too. You still saying you have them figure out, but you don’t nothing to show for, if it was effective you surely would have something, if you do please show. Yeah everything is possible but if it’s gonna take me 300 hours to get one it’s not worth my time. Time is a players currency, yeah I love a challenge but if you don’t respect my time I won’t do it.

[near crystal]

If the grinds not for you it's not for you like I said not everyone's meant to have one if your not up for the challenge don't ruin it for everyone else, I'm loving my tahr grind and the thought I'm gonna get something not alot of others are gonna get. Do you understand?

And there's actually nothing wrong with the spawning you just need to learn how they work there is afew zones where the males come back but there is alot where they are very consistent

[halcyon peak]

Sure friend if that makes you happy. Reality is that you are literally the only player that has grinded them and said that they like it. If after almost a week only one person from a hundreds in this server likes the grind, something is not right. Some of the most experienced players in this game are struggling and I 100% believe they know how this game works. Then again if you are enjoying it, keep at it and good luck.

[short hemlock]

I just want a good spot and stalk (like real life) but it doesn’t help when you can’t see anything, it’s like Vietnam in the Northern Pahad🤷‍♂️

[near crystal]

Iv come to realize At the end of the day the community is gonna get what it wants and the tahr is gonna lose all it's value and become like the rest there's obviously nothing I can say that's gonna change it. People just needa learn if a g1 is out of there reach in skill level don't complain to bring it down to your skill level and ruin it for more experienced players and ruin the trophy in general

[short hemlock]

Here’s hoping for a speedy Te Awaroa backfill in future updates.

[halcyon peak]

I mean I think you should value your trophies by themselves, it’s a single player focus, non competitive game, theres absolutely 0 need or reason. to be feeling superior for doing a grind or getting some trophies, it’s not like you are getting a record whitetail on your local zone or something, it’s a video game. And for the “get good” argument, I don’t think theres any skill in being willing to spend an unholy amount of time, Don’t get me wrong I love it as a hobby, but we need to understand when we are crossing the reasonable times for getting a reward on a game. And if that’s not enough reason, the experience of hunting them is AWFUL, I’ll say it again, it’s a video game, we are supposed to be having fun, not dreading every step of the process. But yeah if you consider having expendable time to invest in an awful experience skill. Then yeah I don’t want to have you level of skill, and for the future of the game I hope most people also don’t have it. Not respecting players time is a point of not return for some games

[near crystal]

Why is there not aloud to be one feature in the game for the players like me who want to go for it, a trophy that you don't get to see alot why does it have to be easy enough for people like you to grind, why not something you can see posted once in a blue moon and actually have interest in looking at it, every other great one in the game I don't even bother looking at anymore there's nothing that cool about most great ones nowadays sure there cool enough but there needs to be something that takes the cake and this is a perfect example of that

[dim rivet]

While I do agree with not basing it on others, I already view normal G1 grinding as way too much time but understand its just for those players who are willing. I think as long as EW keeps no drink zone G1s few and far between it’ll be fine. A handful of more difficult G1s isn’t game breaking.

[near crystal]

This is a truly prized trophy for some people and it doesn't need to be devalued some people do play it to have unique and cool trophys you don't get to see alot

[halcyon peak]

Go for a super rare leopard brother, you have those kinds of trophies. Leave the fan favorite mechanic to be enjoyed by the most amount of people point.

[near crystal]

There's 5 other g1s in Game why can 1 not be out reach for most players and a real challenge

No bc there's nothing truly unique abt a super rare it's just a Dimond and rare mixed together a great one is a completely unique trophy like none other

Why can people just not let it be the one great one that is hard to get nobody even wanted to a tahr when it was announced anyway so just leave it to the people who do want it and leave it as a challenge

[halcyon peak]

But I thought you were valuing them by how not many people were able to get a trophies? If you want to show skill in the game thats what you want. If what you want is something thats makes you feel better than the rest of us, thats your trophy man. Great ones are waited and hyped by tons of people. Difficultly rankings already existed between greats ones, even with drink zones this is going to be the hardest one. But yeah I do really think your problem isn’t the great one, you just want to have something nobody else has and feel superior for it. At least non grinders do make a point with them not being able to enjoy the content and that grinding not being realistic.

[near crystal]

No point in arguing yous will get what yous want anyway and then sure enough the tahr will be nothing special like all the others

[halcyon peak]

I do hope so, I really want to see the great chat flooded with people having a blast with the new great one. Good luck on your grind tho, let us know how it goes.

[near crystal]

Look even if you give them a different home range or give them drink zones yous will still find a way to complain

[halcyon peak]

I can only talk from myself, but I wont. I don’t care about it being easy, I just want reasonable boundaries so the most amount of people can enjoy the game. This “complaining” is the only way the devs can know if they hit the mark with something or not. And I want them to be able to learn from this and make the game I love better with each update.

[near crystal]

The games gonna get pretty old when you enjoy looking at a great one for a week then you've seen them all

[halcyon peak]

Idk man, I closing in on 3000 in game hours, 8 great ones, 4 full lodges of both grinding and multiplayer trophies, and 4 super rares (and 2 almost super rares) and I keep coming for more.

[near crystal]

1500 hours 12 g1s I need something special every g1 gets ruined by the amount that gets shot

I don't wanna go into people's lodges looking at pre much my own g1 everyday

[halcyon peak]

Super rare leopard, think about it 😉. And in all honestly just maybe stop looking at the trophies channels if you don’t like seeing that. Getting mad at internet randoms is not good for your health.

[near crystal]

Takes all the joy out of it makes it devalued if everyone else is getting your trophy how are you meant to feel special about it

[near crystal]

Nothing unique abt a Sr leopard mate it's just a rare with a special badge

Look if you really wanted a tahr you'd challenge yourself and deal with it

[halcyon peak]

I think almost every other player would disagree. If you want something nobody else has thats it, thats the highest and rarest it will ever get. But then again sounds like your frustration would be more easily fix by just ignoring the rest of the players.

[civic totem]

You don't like change mate? You'll be right

[halcyon peak]

Yeah but with that way of thinking game is gonna get worse and worse. Devs need to know the limits of the community and the community needs to understand when some things are unhealthy. Tigers being so easy? Probably unhealty. Spending 300 hours to get one trophy (the average if you are getting 10 tahr per hour like most people were) also unhealty. Most folks here don’t even want the drink zones, they want the challenge but for it to be reasonable.

[near crystal]

I'm getting far more then 10 tahr an hour mate

[civic totem]

Why are we arguing about zones when there are other issues with tahr?

[halcyon peak]

I personally want the drink zones because I think they are the quickest, most safe and efficient way of solving this issue. If the devs find another way of doing it, I welcome it

[near crystal]

There's actually not that many issues they are just hard to understand once you truly look into it you'll learn alot more abt then and how to hunt them

[civic totem]

If you hunted them in rl, you'd understand why they should be on the tops more

[near crystal]

I understand they should have made them up there from the start but it's also just a game and I have no problem where they are now that's not even why ppl are complaining half the people in here wanting the tops are just using that as an excuse for a easier grind

[civic totem]

I couldn't care less about the grind tbh. I get you're in a grind but just adapt if it's changed

[near crystal]

Iv alr done alot of reach search into them and learnt about then from my grind why would I want to restart?

[civic totem]

You're allowed your opinion, but you just seem resistant to change tbh

[near crystal]

I do understand from your pov you just want a more realistic home range but most other people are just trying to make it easier and devalue it

[near crystal]

Definitely I don't want it to change cause I want it to hold it's value

I'm one of the only ones out here that did the hard work for this grind and for the animal in general why would I want it devalued if nobody else is willing to commit to it like I am

[civic totem]

Makes sense. I couldn't care less about the difficulty tbh

[short hemlock]

What’s the point in having tahr and blue sheep if they’re going to live in the Himalayan equivalent of the Amazon.

[near crystal]

For someone who truly wants a tahr g1 it is more then achievable.

[gentle agate]

Northeast part of the map, north of the lakes is crawling with tahr, in grassy open areas and on snowy rocky areas too. Yes, they seem to sleep in the trees, but they are not always in them.

[short hemlock]

I honestly don’t have that many there, they’re mostly in Pahad on my map sadly.

[wild flame]

@near crystal I'm sorry but what do you actually have to show for your grind so far? I have spent another 2 hours attempting to kill tahr, all but one of new feed zones discovered were forest. Most of my herds are one male and multiple female. Upon respawns a lot are now just female only.
You cannot say any of this sounds remotely right for a himal animal that almost entirely is meant to live above the tree line. And "They eat snow dont need drinkzones"... no they appear to live in a damn forest below where it snows
It is not a skill issue, I have been finding zones and picking up kills, but it is thoroughly unenjoyable, slow and in completely the wrong area of the map for me. Let's just move the Tahr to the same areas as the Yak already.
And calling G1 easy or anything is just rubbish, even grinding drinkzones it took me several hours setup followed by 600 kills for my only G1. You just seem miserable in making everyone suffer an animal that is neither easy to hunt, consistent with respawns or is currently inhabiting the correct area.

[wild flame]

Mine so far have been 75%+ in the Pahad region, eastern side, but definitely not north eastern, grassy open or snowy rocky. Eat in the trees too.
Take Pro XCK's hotspot map, that but mostly Pahad area of it is consistent for me. Also someone had sent a screenshot of Tahr tracks near the initial outpost too....

[near crystal]

Cry abt it mate and what do you mean what do I have to show for it mate? Just because I'm enjoying it doesn't mean I have heaps to show in only so many hundred kills in

[gentle agate]

On this map, the feeding zones are mostly in grassy parks (the yellowish areas), and are from tahr and blue sheep, usually both. The tahr do move around from feeding zone to feeding zone, so what might be a blue sheep zone (only) is probably also a tahr zone later or earlier in the day. The sleep zones here are mostly from Tibetan foxes, and located in the trees (darker areas on the map); since zones are often shared, I suspect they are also tahr zones, but I have not checked. Up towards the outpost at the top of the map, there are some feeding zones right on the road, in the snow.

I haven't done it yet, but I suspect it is fairly simple to set up a tree stand or tripod and see quite far over their zones. The fixed hunting stand is a good one too. But given how the pronghorn in this game behave nothing like real pronghorn, I am sure that there are tahr in Pahad that are not really what would be expected IRL; I haven't looked there myself yet

[civic totem]

What about the tahr in pahad?

[gentle agate]

Sorry, my edit was posted right as your question did. I have not hunted over there for tahr.

[dreamy ivy]

Uh, what the hell is this?
This waaaaayyyyy too south for a tahr to be
wwwwwaaaaaayyyy too south

[jaunty igloo]

I know right

[wild flame]

What so many of us have been saying, personally dont think they should be in pahad at all

[dire brook]

Maybe they could get "drink zones" that are sort of repurposed feed zones? Tahr drink by eating snow, right? So maybe they could have drink zones similar to the ones on Medved, which are on frozen lakes. Instead of lakes, just put the "drink zones" in the snowiest areas? Idk if I worded that very well, I hope ppl get what I'm trying to say lol

[uncut bone]

Okay... what 😭

[civic totem]

Wonder what will happen if amything now that people are getting GOs

[left fossil]

I agree. It's kinda mind boggling how far down I've found tracks. Kinda the opposite of where you'd expect them to be. I always imagined that G1 screenshot on a snow cap and not in a mess of brush lol

[wild flame]

Shouldnt change much no? if there is an issue you alter the issue regardless of rewards? ATM there appears to be an issue with Tahr too far south

[tawdry garden]

I keep having my Tahr zones dissappear. Is this a new mechanic that's intended or is it broken?
It's a pain locating a good zone just to see it dissappear an hour later.

Is this happening to you guys as well?

[timid socket]

Could be 'single' tahrs that look like they're part of a herd.

[tawdry garden]

Definitely not! I've played long to enough to know the difference. I've had 5 different zones of 6 dissappear in two days.
It sucks because they were in decent areas and the new zone is in brush so thick you can't see them. We can't use a caller to lure them out either. Was only taking 1 kill per zone as well.

[timid socket]

That's frustrating. If it's whole herds disappearing that's not good.

Maybe put a notice in support?

[tawdry garden]

I made a ticket on it. Hopefully it gets resolved.

[halcyon peak]

I’m waiting to get my second one before updating my position on it. But it hasn’t really changed much. I also think they are not gonna change anything tbh, and that sucks.

[civic totem]

They should and not just the range, but some ways the animals themselves could be improved

[dreamy ivy]

well the answer was given
theyre making tahr grinding borderline impossible, or at least very annoying

[halcyon peak]

Yeah we needs to see what happens to the tents before talking about tahr. It is true that the grinds depends on the current state of tents. We’ll see the change