Weapon Class Range Variety

[jolly sandal]

As of Sundarpatan, there are NINE 4-8 rifles, compared to:

Two 1's
One 1-2
Four 2-4's
Two 2-6's
Two 3-7's
Three 4-9's
One 5-9
Three 7-9's
and one 9

The 4-8 selection feels oversaturated in comparison at this point. This has been a longtime frustration for both myself and a number of other people in this server.

[glacial kiln]

Thx Lyra

[lament hedge]

The new rifle needs to be 4-9

[glacial kiln]

Especially on a map with 2 class 9s the gun should work for class 9s

[lament hedge]

Idk how long it would take to reclass it but it needs to be done before the map is released

The .577/450 is a huge round and honestly I think covering 4s is overkill tbh. 6-9 would honestly be alot better

[snow vapor]

Omg I cannot stress enough disappointing the new rifle is, 4-8 is the most default no effort crap and we have like a dozen of them already

I do not understand why you're putting so much work into the maps and animals and the least amount of effort possible for the rifles. When you introduced the bolt action 7mm and 338 you changed nothing, no updates for the cartridge or original rifles to make them compete with the 300 realistically and then we got a 5 round semi auto in 300. The 4570 got a new pistol and the ammo change DOESNT affect the old rifle. The 44 magnum should not work at 300 yards either

[glacial kiln]

Real

[lament hedge]

I really hope the firearms devs read this.

[snow vapor]

#4-8boring

[lament hedge]

.308, .303, .270, .30-06, 6.5mm
All good rifles don't get me wrong but another 4-8 is just overflow especially with the Martini-Henry .577/450 having major stopping power.

[lament hedge]

Honestly that is not even close to being a 4-8 when you look at it 😅😅

[glacial kiln]

Not class 9 is just wild

[waxen mist]

I don't really care about the guns but I couldn't agree more. This isn't necessary. Some variety would be nice.

[halcyon egret]

Needs to be able to take Tiger for sure

[errant elk]

.308, .270, and .303 could all easily be 3-8.

[idle mason]

need to be more 2-6 rifles, theres only 2 in the game

one is the first gun you get in the game and its the Ranger .243
and the other is the Whitlock Model 86

[halcyon egret]

I was expecting the new gun to be more like 7, 8, 9

[errant elk]

That reminds me, the Whitlock Model 86 being that terrible is outrageous.

[idle mason]

yes, the only option for a reliable 2-6 rifle is the damn starting gun lmao, and pistols arent really my thing

[leaden lava]

Totally agree

[sturdy heath]

It needs to 100% be a 4-9 instead of 4-8. The cartridge is absolutly capable of class 9 species and i know so many people were excited to hunt the tiger with the new rifle, but now they sadly cant ethically. I really think the devs should do a last minute change and just change the max from 8 to 9. It would give the encumbering 1 shot rifle a fair placement in loadouts rather than being forgotten because of the already wide variety of 4-8. The addition of class 9 to it is the step up it needs.

[leaden lava]

Even 5-9 would be better

[sturdy heath]

4-9 is best IMO but i would 100% take 5-9 over 4-8

[idle mason]

we need to normalize 3 weapon loadouts that cover classes 1-9

[sturdy heath]

again it a single shot rifle most likely unable to have a scope, so a wide range and a class 9 kill would make it desirable

[halcyon egret]

Make it also take 9 at least please

[jolly sandal]

Weapon Class Range Variety

[heavy slate]

They’ve got to have a plan for class 9.. 🤔

[sturdy heath]

not sure what there plan would be besides make the martini take 9 as well. which im super stumped on why they didnt

[heavy slate]

It’s a bit of a head scratcher I agree.

[sturdy heath]

like shown above the 577/450 vs the 303 in the game it makes sense that it should take 9 (even though i know power difference between cordite and smokeless powder) the round still hass the mass of a 480 grain bullet behind it

i just hope devs see it from the communities side that bumping up that class 8 to a 9 would make the gun fit WAY better and less likely to fall to the wayside. and i hope its before the 18th so we have it perfect day 1

[snow vapor]

It's terrible, I've hunted with one so long having the 3030 be so weak in this game makes me angry

[snow vapor]

For that, we need to get content creators echoing this, they have more input with the devs than any of us

[still pulsar]

This is a real problem with this game. A handful of people represent the whole community.

[jolly sandal]

Please keep things civil

[snow vapor]

It feels like they do absolutely no research with weapons. They put so much love and care into creating maps and animals but when it comes to weapons they just dump it into the 4-8 bucket 90% of the time

[minor citrus]

Yeah weapons don't seem to be their strong point

[snow vapor]

I think they have very few actual hunters in their office or they have very limited experience with shooting and ballistics

[jolly sandal]

It's been stated that COTW runs on its own ballistics system that isn't 1-1 true to IRL

[sturdy heath]

so with the martini i see where there issue was. so they were right in one part but didnt balance it with the fact that those rounds are 450 grain so that mass really ups the knockdown power even if its a slower round

they label it "less powerful" because those rounds use cordite. in the ammos description they even call it less powerful than modern. so the designers had a good idea, just not the full picture IMO

[snow vapor]

That's fine but they could just call up some hunting guides and ask for advice. SCI would gladly give advice, even hunting magazines would help. They already contacted remi Warren, they know it's an option and they aren't changing anything

[lament hedge]

Honestly just a simple 4-9 will make this weapon great, the current 4-8 that was shown will just make it gather dust in people's inventories since there's WAY more better 4-8 options in game currently. If anything I'd rather use the Parker Hale Lee Enfield over it.

[sturdy heath]

exactly, that class 9 puts it Just out of that category of 9 rifles already in the 4-8 category.

[idle mason]

if they put out a modern rifle or a better rifle than the .243 that covers classes 2-6 id buy that asap

[halcyon egret]

Martini including class 9 yet? 👀

[woeful thunder]

You guys think big bullet means powerful. .577/450 is weak and slow. Definitely not a 9 class cartridge. Jim Corbett disliked how weak it was on a jaguar he killed. I could go into detail on this cartridge but I'm just going to keep it simple. It's terrible.

[lament hedge]

Nope not yet, we need to keep pressuring them

[woeful thunder]

We need a 375 h&h

It's a very versatile cartridge

People hunt from whitetail all the way up to the African big 5 with it.

[sturdy heath]

People state ballistically it is comparable to a 45-70 roughly. 45-7O in the game is capable of taking class 9 so why not the 577-450?

[woeful thunder]

The 4570 is barely a 9 class. It's terrible in the game but definitely world's better the a black power cartridge

[haughty siren]

If you want to make a unique weapon that's ideal for this map, I dont understand why you'd want to drop the martini and not make it go up to 9. Otherwise its essentially just a worse 7 mm. Still single shot, but can't do what you want it to at least slightly on the upper end. Would feel more like a gimmick gun, which it shouldnt

[sturdy heath]

But it’s still a class 9, why fight so hard for them not to up it to a 9? Is there a benefit the game would have if it wasn’t increased to a 9?

[sturdy heath]

Solid point

[lament hedge]

Exactly my point

Even if it's low pen for 9s, it should still be able to down them so people don't mess up their trophy scores

[snow vapor]

Jim Corbett never hunted jaguars, he didn't leave India until India declared independence

. 577 caliber bullets are slow, but they are over half an inching size and weigh 450 grains

Yes it's slow, but a big hunk of lead is going to kill just fine. Even muzzleloaders killed enough elephants to decline the whole species.

[snow vapor]

Devs love to say that cotw has it's own ballistics system that doesn't mirror real life (I wish it did, they made my favorite calibers utter crap) so it should be no issue to make the map weapon suit the map

[leaden bloom]

I think they are really comparing this to other black powder guns which .50 minie ball is also 4-8

Its a specialty weapon that wont get used that much because of weight and range issues ...

unless I was trying to complete a mission that called for it ... Even at 4-9 I wouldn't use this against tigers or any dangerous animal ....

Ideally to appease the masses they need to just make it ethical for class 9... I'm sure it will kill class 9 as is ... just not ethically

[snow vapor]

Well, honestly, if it was ethical for class 9 I'd choose it over the 300 every time, hudzik and gandare both, just for the uniqueness.

[woeful thunder]

It was a leopard. Couldn't remember which. The 577 struggles to penetrate animals with thick skin. Overall not a great caliber for dangerous game.

[leaden bloom]

Again for me it's like using the Hudzik ... I might use it just as a thing to do on occasion to break up the monotony but it would not be in my regular load out ... And I think they have placed it in 4-8 for that very reason .... Why use the 4-8 Hudzik when you have a similar 4-9 weapon with a faster reload? ... I really think that is the devs thought process in making it 4-8 ... I don't think it's arbitrary or careless . I think they purposefully dont want to make 1 weapon of the same type favorable over the others of that same type ....

[sturdy heath]

“I think they purposefully dont want to make 1 weapon of the same type favorable over the others of the same type” so to me the hudzik being a cap lock rifle is vastly different than just a standard single shot rifle. So I don’t really see them in the same category. Category to me shouldn’t matter so much about action and focus on just classes it can take. Because action of a rifle is more a thing of balance rather than individuality. Cause the short of it is, semi is best, bolt is second, single-shot is third, muzzle loader is 4th(ignoring the outliers for simplicity). so when picking a gun you HAVE to have one that’s the right class, but everything else is optional and up to personal choice.

In the end though, even if the 577-450 is right on the fence of being a 8 or a 9 class rifle, why not tip it into 9? The gun would have a fighting chance In peoples loadouts. This is coming from someone who BEFORE they announced it guessed the rifle and plan to keep it permanently in my loadout cause I think it’s so cool. And even I am debating on changing that fact because it’s nothing but a burden when I could just bring the .303, outclass it in every way AND still have a rifle used to hunt in India back in the day. So just that small bump over to 9 could VASTLY change this things life expectancy in the game

[pale acorn]

Reminder to everyone that .577/450 is actually a .455” bullet going at 1800s black powder .45-70 speeds

[leaden bloom]

Another possibility for it being in class 4-8 is that they are promoting the ethical hunting of Tigers ... And while it may have been used to hunt them in past history I don't think anyone can argue that it's an ethical weapon to be used in today's world .....

[lament hedge]

What about people who want to hunt Yak and Buffalo

[leaden bloom]

what class are yak and buffalo?

also no one cares about the ethical harvesting of Yak and buffalo ... so even if they are class 9 it's still unethical at 4-8 and if they are class 8 .... Well as I said no one cares about Yaks and buffalo ....

[sturdy heath]

Yak and buff are 9

[leaden bloom]

I assumed as much .... but as I said still unethical at 4-8

[snow vapor]

So, what about the .300? Same caliber but they introduced a semi auto with a higher fire rate and one more round in the chamber. Same as with the .308 and .30-06, all of them serve the same purposes but more people will use the semi-auto versions because of the one extra round in the magazine.

.50 caliber muzzleloaders have been successfully used to take brown bear, moose, bison, and cape Buffalo. I can't see a reason why they don't cover class 9 particularly considering that no rifle in the game has realistic penetration on most animals

[sturdy heath]

And I think the overall misunderstanding is we aren’t talking about elephant or rhino here. These tiger don’t have armor, thick skin yes more thicker than a moose that is class 8? No way. These cats aren’t armored cause that is not there natural advantage. They are strong but a well placed 577 would easily go through the skin, through a rib, and into lung within the rifles listed effective range and make a large enough wound channel with that 450 grain bullet to bleed it out. That to me, is ethical

[snow vapor]

Would like to remind everyone that black powder guns were largely responsible for the decline of both African elephant and plains bison in America

[pale acorn]

Fair

[leaden bloom]

I agree the whole weapon system in COTW seems some what arbitrary. My point is that they do have some logic behind it .... It seems arbitrary but they can explain their reasoning whether we agree or not ....

[pale acorn]

Counterpoint: nothing about 19th century market hunting was ethical.

[snow vapor]

John Henry Patterson actually used a .577/450 rifle to kill the second Tsavo Maneater

[pale acorn]

.308 is more powerful than .30-06 in game. Balance is 120% arbitrary and all of us debating realism (myself included) are grasping at straws.

[leaden bloom]

agreed it wasnt consider unethical back then becuase thats all they had ... but by todays standards with modern weapons and loads it is ...

[snow vapor]

I didn't say it was ethical only that it was effective

[pale acorn]

So are 223 on moose and .30 caliber air rifles on grizzly.

[leaden bloom]

so you agree the martini at 4-8 is correct?

[halcyon egret]

This is an amazing point and one of the reasons why I don’t understand why people keep saying it’s unethical… it’s still just a big cat.

[halcyon egret]

We should look at balancing issues then if there is no debate that Cotw devs don’t do it for realism, then we should make the gun class 9 based on the fact that NO ONE is going to use the new gun because it has no place in all the current weapons

[leaden bloom]

Im not syain its unethical the devs have classed the new weapon as unethical for class 9 .... Just trying to give a rational reason .... not saying they are necessarily right ...

[snow vapor]

This is comparing apples and oranges

The black powder guns used on elephant would have been 4 bore or so, with a handful of powder behind it. It's not comparable but dismissing black powder driven bullets is not great either. You also have to account for bullets, as fmj bullets made a massive difference in what weapons could do. The .577/450 had hard lead but also had bullets made from copper tubing the essentially worked like a jacketed bullet

[leaden bloom]

Again the .577/450 will probably still pen a class 9 at close range and if it hits vitals will kill. I just think the devs are saying it's not as ethical to use as a more modern load ....

[pale acorn]

Lots of large animals were killed with old tech, sure. But if we’re going to compare real characteristics of guns/cartridges/bullets, we have plenty of reference data for that and plenty of guns in the game to form a very complete scale.

But if we just want things balanced on feels, then none of the references actually matter.

And “it’s done IRL” is not actually a good justification because people do stupid things. And plenty of animals are killed with anemic calibers by hunters/cullers using headshots or large volume of fire.

[leaden bloom]

Here's an interesting question ... will there be a mission where you are told to kill a tiger with the martini ? I'm guessing no because devs see it as unethical weapon for a modern hunt ....

[snow vapor]

They don't make sense in game either, even from a rifle barrel a .44 magnum shouldn't be able to kill a moose from 300 yards

[sturdy heath]

Is the idea that a 577 could pierce enough to hit a lung and the 450 grain round would cause a wound that would kill a tiger reasonable? Yes. Is it preferred in every situation over modern guns? No. On game balance side why add a new rifle just to make it useless for “an ethical hunting point” it’s silly when they could say something about it being advised against. Again there is no denying that if they add this gun and it isn’t a class 9 it will only be used on release and immediately dropped only to be picked up for shits and giggles. But make it a 9 and then at least it will have shelf life with people like me who just like it’s history

[halcyon egret]

Yes!!

[leaden bloom]

You can still use it for fun but wont be rewarded by the game as being the most ethical choice ....

[halcyon egret]

That’s the whole problem of what we’re saying. No one is going to use it seriously, it has no place, and why it needs to be changed… or else people will just use it unethically anyway for a bit and then bye bye back to storage to gather dust

Should be changed to include class 9

[leaden bloom]

even if 4-9 It will be in storage most oft the time anyway for a number of other reasons ... and again I don't know for certain if that is their thinking I have also given other reasons why they may have done what they have done ... I just don't think they made it 4-8 without any purposeful and logical reason in their own minds ....

I can say even if they make it 4-9 I wont care either way ....

[halcyon egret]

I believe the devs should reconsider instead of killing the usefulness of the gun before it’s out the gate

[snow vapor]

As @jolly sandal said earlier, we have 9 weapons that cover 4-8 right now. It doesn't have to be perfectly reasonable or effective but we needed variety more than anything and the new rifle only looks different but it'll perform he same as any other.

A over under 9.3 would make use of ammo from. Another dlc and give us a6-9 rifle, a little different from our other stuff but unique and helpful on the new map

[vagrant marsh]

Actually I've tested this and I've lost 3% quickkill with 308 on gemsbok double lung at 210m, but 30-06 got 100% so 30-06 is more powerful in game but only by a hair

[lament hedge]

I do hope the devs are reading this and decide to make it cover 9s. I'd hate to see their hard work just end up being self Warmers in people's hunting lodges.

It just being another 4-8 will cause people to just overlook it sadly since most people will just use the .308, .303, .270, and .30-06

[jolly sandal]

the only reason anyone uses the .270 is for missions. It's woefully underpowered

[pale acorn]

I use it because I use one in real life. Jack O’Connor is a legend.

It is poorly balanced in game. I was literally about to ask if anybody else actually uses it that owns DLC.

[minor citrus]

I occasionally use it on maps with no animal bigger then a Class 7

[lament hedge]

My favorite 4-8 is the Nosler 21 they added with the power pack, also the .303 Parker Hale LE with NZ

I think what they should do is put it up to a community pole, should the .577/450 stay at 4-8 or be upped to 4-9

[glacial kiln]

Everyone already knows the answer to that poll tho

[vagrant marsh]

Or has no internet to buy dlc's

[sturdy heath]

Yeah, they should either see that a majority of the community wants it to be a 9 and change it OR if they are on the fence put it to a vote to get a clear answer. Then it will be set in stone

I am REALLY hoping they do it before release though, the big issue is if it isn’t done before release I sadly have a strong feeling it will be put on the back burner and forgotten about

[waxen mist]

The new rifle does look quite fun though. 💀

[lament hedge]

It does but it just needs to cover 4-9 to be great 😭😭

[bold cedar]

This is gonna sound harsh but it’s kinda gross how underpowered it is in game. Irl my dad hunts Bull Elk with a .270 Rem Mag. He’s dropped several of them with it. The fact that a .270 to the lungs on a Coyote isn’t always a Guaranteed drop is kinda pathetic.

[lament hedge]

Maybe next update they can redo most of the in-game weapons.

[leaden bloom]

Ill use it about the same amount either way .... I'll take it out on a few hunts and then hang it over the fire place

[bold cedar]

I highly doubt they’d have time to get it fixed before the release. There’s what, 1.5 weeks until the release?

[sturdy heath]

Yeah about, now I only know a little about developing in games so I’m sure it’s more complicated than “change a single number” but I feel like it is a change that could absolutely be made before launch, simply upping the class rating wouldn’t be too difficult. Now if they wanted to up its penetration as well to make it better for class 9 that’s more work. But I feel the stock penetration would work at its intended closer ranges

And if not, then a class change now, and a pen change later.

[valid phoenix]

577/450 is definitely more of a 4-8 mainly due to the fact yes it’s a huge bullet but it’s very very underpowered.

[lament hedge]

If they change it later on then I'll be okay with using it

[snow vapor]

I love it, the iron sights are crisp and nicely defined, it would be my go to if it worked properly or covered 3-7

[jolly sandal]

The main problem is that we have way more 4-8 rifles than anything else

[snow vapor]

No variety in the weapons between 2-6 or 6-9

[sturdy heath]

Yeah, so lets start fixing that problem by making the next 4-8(the 577-450) a 4-9, seems like a good start, kills quite a few birds with one stone

[still pulsar]

Yeah it's not like this gun will replace the 300 AR or 7mm, it only has 1 bullet and I think it's even weaker.

[sturdy heath]

i dont think we will be able to put a scope on it either

[lament hedge]

I do hope they add the option for a scope for it.

I really want it to be the main rifle I use for the map but it's not looking like it so far sadly. Still won't stop me from enjoying the map but it won't be with the Martini

[halcyon egret]

It should not be the case where they add a new gun to go with a map dlc and everyone is already deciding "welp this won't be my main gun to use" 🥲

[valid phoenix]

I knew it wouldn’t be from the start but I think it will still make a cool addition to the game.

[valid phoenix]

WAYY too big for 3-7

[snow vapor]

The 270? It's one of the most popular hunting cartridges in the world and tons of guides recommend it for springboks and roe deer. The bullet is barely a step up from the 243 in size.

[valid phoenix]

I thought you were talking about the 577/455😭

[snow vapor]

Oh nah, 577 is better suited like 6-9

[valid phoenix]

Not even 9 it’s way too underpowered of a caliber, big bullet with little powder doesn’t make a good round. I do like though that they emphasized the smoke on it showing that it’s black powder.

[snow vapor]

Really killed quite a few Tigers and lions in it's day

[valid phoenix]

I’m not gonna argue about it but it’s truly not good for that and it was terrible at that job and ethically couldn’t take down a tiger. That round has very little penetration sadly due to the under ammount of powder within the round. The reason it was used on them was because the Nepal military had that round because of the British.

[snow vapor]

Oh yeah, you also need to consider the powder itself. See, modern black powder is really carefully made for stability and safety. Back in the day it was much more potent and unstable aside.

So, at least modern 577/450 ammo (with a 480 lead bullet) is advertised at 1350fps and 1940 footpounds.

Not a long distance cartridge, but it's roughly in the ball park of a big bore handgun cartridge so it should handle class 9 if you are close and precise with shot placement

[valid phoenix]

Generally in Africa imma be honest you can read forums it’s used And recommended for all soft skinned animals and non dangerous hunting . It is not a round that will pierce a water buffalo and kill it effectively nor truly any huge game.

I like reading people’s personal experience with this round hunting and it’s interesting tbh, it couldn’t penetrate all the way through a kudu so if you think that’s meant for class 9 that’s up to you.

[snow vapor]

True, but neither lions or Tigers are thick skinned animals

But also, there was several loadings from the military for this cartridge so how are we supposed know which one they based it on?

[valid phoenix]

Yk you mentioning the loads has me a little stumped because that’s a great question and we may never know it. But I can consider tigers pretty thin skinned animals but there muscles combined with there adrenaline when there charging you would probably make that round seem like a little B lol.

[snow vapor]

Also, it doesn't have to penetrate an animal completely to reach vital organs and be fatal.

Also, I'm curious if this round would benefit from hard cast bullets? It seems to run about the same speed as some pistol cartridges so maybe the issue is soft lead bullets not holding together 🤔

[valid phoenix]

Id say it would benefit with soft points you really want to double down possibly on that expansion within the animal because the penetration of it has left the window outside 100 yards. And you definitely will need to penetrate the animal enough to hit a vital lol. Because it won’t do it at certain distances. I feel like with the hard cast it’s just gonna zip into the animal and not do a whole lot.

I’d love to see what would happen if you hit the animal your shooting center mass and just see how much it tears into it and how much that expansion can really do.

[snow vapor]

Oh I really wouldn't try a hundred yard shot with this cartridge on like. . .class 7 or up. But I think within about 50to 60 yards it could be pretty effective

[valid phoenix]

Dude that tigers charging you and all you got is that gun in your hands and it’s like well might as well kiss my ass goodbye.

[snow vapor]

I mean I ain't that stupid 🤣 if I'm getting charged I'm using the 470

[valid phoenix]

😂😂i think the 10G slugs would work well as well

[snow vapor]

If I end up using the 577 it'll be broadside only and calm animals, I would treat it like older big bore pistols

EW could save us a lot of scuff and pointless arguing if they explained their weapon choices better

[rugged patrol]

Change the .270 and 6.5mm to class 3-7 or change the 6.5 and buff the .270. Buff the 7.62x54r round. Buff the 30-30. Give us another 2-6 rifle.

[snow vapor]

Totally agree, but this
.30-30 needs a strong buff and shift to 3-7 (nobody is showing foxes with a .30-30)

.22-250 needs a slight buff and make it 2-6 as an option for the .243, it's considerably stronger than the 223 irl and is often used on wolves here in the rockies

[rugged patrol]

I can get on board with the .22-250. And not that I disagree with the .30-30 idea but if you make it 3-7 it’ll lose out to the 4-9 of the .45-70 most of the time. I think a buff and 2-7 would make it more viable. At the end of the day it’s still a game and the weapons should stand a chance to be put in your loadout, even if it’s not 100% realistic in what animals it’s used for

[snow vapor]

I mean, the 44 magnum lever actio burns both, if he 30-30 was 3-7 I'd carry it because that's what I use it for irl and probably the .300. Either way, nobody uses the 30-30 now and EW didn't add the .4570 ammo changes to the rifle at all

#1217303106837151794

Tested the 45-70 pistol and rifle a similar distance and angle and got disappointed in it

[lament hedge]

The .270 needs to stay at 4-8 tbh, especially for new players who haven't purchased any DLCs yet

[pale acorn]

Buff the .270 a little bit and also make it 3-8.

[valid phoenix]

I really don’t think that 22-250 can effectively take out a deer dude past 100 and maybe 200 if you have REALLY good shot placement. I’d say that round Is at most what is already is 2-4. Because if you wanna say that THAT is 2-6 that means it could be used on Sambar and red stag and that’s just a no.

I think if we really wanted a decent varmint round 223 wsm would probably be a nice one and could be 1-4 as crazy as it would be to shoot a bird with that round it would work and probably be the best 22 cartridge rifle there is. Wanting a gun 2-6 would be more along the lines of let’s say possibly a 300 savage which still feels big for class 2 animals so possibly even more of a 3-6.

5.7 could make a decent 1-3 class gun

[pale acorn]

.300 Savage does everything .308 does just a little slower. 3-7.

[valid phoenix]

That’s why I say it’d be a better round than what these people are fricken wanting.

[pale acorn]

Oh. Yeah. My reading comprehension was not good on that post. My bad.

[valid phoenix]

That’s fine but to say 22-250 is good on medium sized game is insane. The 3030 I can get behind somewhat on a buff to an extent but still barely doing those class 6 animals.

[pale acorn]

Agreed. 2-6 is a very difficult range to make fit. .243 is basically the only really obvious choice. I also don’t like the idea of any .224 caliber going up to class 6, even class 5.

.250 Savage could be a good one, and give us a Savage 99 lever action with it.

.243 WSSM (less drop more recoil than .243)
.243 Weatherby Mag (EVEN LESS DROP AND MORE RECOIL)
.257 Roberts (sporterized classic Mauser or Arisaka)

[valid phoenix]

I think most if not all of these would make some great additions for smaller game rifles.

[valid phoenix]

Make a feedback channel on those rounds I think the community would be pleased make sure to add in that 300 savage though for me.

[woeful thunder]

8mm mauser would be a great addition as a custom model 98 mauser

[woeful thunder]

A remington model 81 in .300 savege would be pretty cool

[snow vapor]

Oh I'd honestly much prefer a 257 cartridge for 2-6 range but with a heavier bullet the .22-250 does surprisingly well on wolves out here. Could honestly see it as 2-5 if they cared to make things more realistic and not just blind categories

[valid phoenix]

That i can see

[snow vapor]

Also, sambar is class 7. Otherwise animal classes is a whole thing of its own. It's been weird lately

[pale acorn]

It’s unfortunate that fixing weapon classes depends so much on also making animal classes make sense, which is clear as mud.

[snow vapor]

Wait, we do have a 2-5 class weapon. The 45 colt is 2-5 so why have they not used that class anywhere else?

[pale acorn]

Because that spread of animal sizes is kinda weird for rifle cartridges. Pretty much only high velocity .22.

[snow vapor]

I love this game but omg it's weirdly convoluted if you stop to think about it

[floral hamlet]

Damn, weapons without scope are borderline useless to me, I've tried several times to learn to use the Miller shotgun because it has (for me) the most satisfying shooting sounds but I cant even accurately hit a moose at 100 meters, the animal looks too small in the screen, and the iron sight just makes it worse

[snow vapor]

I use iron sights pretty often, love the extra challenge but only certain weapons have good sights. The 270 has great sights, the .303 is good, the 308 and 7mm bolt actions are great.

[halcyon egret]

Daily reminder to the devs to add class 9 to the martini

[sturdy heath]

Martini irons are pretty decent looking, I’ll have to test them. But I am a BIG TIME iron sight hunter on there. My personal recomendation is try the .303 rifle from Te Aoroa. It has the best irons in the game and is perfect for all distances. It’s my personal go to. Take it to the shooting range on Hierchfeldon and practice at different distances and then take it into the field

[halcyon egret]

[snow vapor]

Could the devs please make the sights on the .300 canning a little more defined? It's like there's no front sight but the ring

[lament hedge]

Day 3 of asking for the Martini to cover 9s

[halcyon egret]

Same Same

[haughty siren]

so basically

[lament hedge]

We all just want it to cover 9s

[haughty siren]

martini on tigers

[lament hedge]

Either it covers 9s or players won't use it, that's the census I gathered from most people 😅😅

[snow vapor]

Honestly yeah, if I can't pretend I'm hunting with Jim Corbett then why bother?

[sturdy heath]

So we all know it will be a great change and give the rifle a WAY better standing and longevity. Martini having class 9 is something we all want. BUT what are your guys thoughts on if it will actually happen? (Keep it civil towards the team, the devs are working there butts off)

[jolly sandal]

sincere doubt it'll happen before release. If at all. We're more likely to get new rifles of other ranges in future DLCs

quick little note that my original intent behind this post was "more variety in future updates"

y'all hijacked it

[sturdy heath]

Is there a better place for the discussion of the new 4-8 rifle and its adjustment to not be in the oversaturated 4-8 class?

We claim this chat for the MJM “Martini Justice Movement”

[jolly sandal]

Not at the moment, but someone could easily make one.

[sturdy heath]

(Honestly have no clue how these things work, thought only a mod could make them. This is the first one I’ve talked in)

[jolly sandal]

lol the forums would be very empty if that was the case

There's a "new post" button on the far right side of the search bar

[sturdy heath]

Ahhhh okay, neat. Thank you

[snow vapor]

Idk if they will change, they're so preoccupied with making the animals look as good as possible I imagine that's where most of their resources are going

Aside from that, the largest part of our weapon choices are in a single category. A total rework would be great but at the least we need more variety in what we do have

[sturdy heath]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1249042451344130149
I've gone and made a discussion chat specifically to show support for the change of the new martini to be able to take a class 9. I know a lot of talk regarding this was in this chat so for those of you wanting to specifically support the change of the martini head on over there and support the post and give your feedback.

@snow vapor @lament hedge @halcyon egret @haughty siren i know yall were very supportive of it so just tagging you guys

[valid phoenix]

The gun irl doesn’t do an efficient job at it being meant for dangerous game so I don’t expect it to be able to take class 9 animals. I’ve known that one from the start and expected it in the end.