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Go see the South African Boerboel thread

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1337139365524275393

After finally realizing how an attack dog would just be a bad idea for a hunting game, I have decided to drop that function. I now would like to stick entirely to the guard dog function.
For this function, the Pit Bull will have the possibility to scare off potential dangers. To maintain the ferocity of larger predators or aggressive herbivores, the effectiveness of the Pits intimidation would have to be an upgraded ability. For this capability, the Pit Bull will not attack, but rather deter otherwise aggressive and hostile animals that you may encounter. This can provide a balanced safety for hunters who want to enjoy the hunting experience without worrying much about wild dangers. The ability will be allowed a toggle switch in case a player would want to hunt hostile creatures.

Having this companion would make maps like Sundarpatan, Vurhonga, and Medved a much safer hunting ground for players.

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I think Black Bears could be apart of roster of species you can hunt with these dogs, could you imagine chasing a big ol’ glacial black bear with like 3-4 dogs🔥🔥🔥

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I really highly doubt they would ever add attack dogs tbh to hunt with just because of the work that would go into making it work out and possibly not having much of an outcome. Also kangals would truthfully probably make a better dog when it comes to hunting.

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Might work but they will have to seriously down play the dog vs (whatever) fight .... otherwise they will catch a lot of flak .... I would be okay with it just not sure they would ever do something like this .... But I also thought they would never do tigers so ????

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I had already said it in another similar thread and it is a personal opinion but I consider hunting with catch or attack dogs to be very unethical and not at all challenging.
IRL the level of stress to which the prey pursued by the attack dogs is subjected is excessive, added to the fact that the hunting pressure exerted on the areas where the dogs acted is enormous and it takes months to recover the area for the animals to return.
The hunter does not even need hunting, stalking or shooting skills since the dogs do all the work.
It's not the type of hunt I would like to have in CotW.

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I think the people who disagree should note that the Pitbull is used in reality to only hunt invasive or dangerous species that harm the environment. This will carry over to the game with the targetable species being mostly damaging when not controlled. And also the ethics within the game should be taken less seriously because the animals are digital and do not feel stress or pain (obviously).

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I like this idea, but I think it should be implemented later at low priority due to the aforementioned issues with ethics and lack of skill. Also, if it gets implemented, abandon the arbitrary species restrictions, and let the thing hunt anything it can reasonably run down and kill.

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I think adding the rhodesian ridgeback would be cooler (and could pair nicely as a sort of promotion for a new african map), but pit bulls are cool too

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I agree with the least priority sentiment though, because new lodges, and Africa 2.0 are due way sooner.

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I'd love more dogs for the hunt! Both pits and ridgebacks

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Hunting with dogs can be cruel. It's not a humane death when you let your dogs tear apart what they catch (and yes I've seen videos of that). Using catch dogs for invasive hogs is fine, or terriers for rats, but I think you gotta be very careful with the ethics of it. It is a neat idea though.

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You’re probably right. I’ve never been hunting in real life, so I’m not too keen on specific ethics of certain methods. All of my opinions are personal and primarily based on perspective.

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This would make for another great hunting companion, plus it can have more unique fur patterns

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Seems like the new pointer dog kind of does this since the animals being pointed at seem pinned

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# edgy scarab ⚠️ Warning ⚠️: This video may seriously disturb your sensitivity. A hunting inci...

In a way, thank you for putting the realistic brutality in perspective. It does show the potential for hunting tragedies. If the Pit Bull is added, there will only be one available at a time, and the animation will be limited to a less brutal style of dogging. In no way do I want to make a new dog trigger a larger amount of reasonably sensitive players. The Pit Bull will hopefully be made as a cash grind assistant that primarily targets invasive species on certain maps, like hogs in Mississippi for example. I only want to make a new style of companion, and not an overly violent bio-weapon.

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I’d rather see a “guard dog” that spooks off and counters aggressive animals personally than something like this. This type of dog doesn’t really make sense for COTW imo.

Edit: I get why they’re used IRL on invasive species since them demolishing the environment is more pressing than the ethics but in-game it just makes little sense.

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I know dogs right now have a chance to spook animals but none of them are super reliable. And while there perks to make them better at it, I’m pretty sure that perk gets paired up with usually better perks that you’re more inclined to choose over it. A dog type dedicated to it would be neat.

My Friend has a fear of hunting the lower region of Nepal due to the tigers and a dog like that would certainly help lol just keeps the aggressive animals off you is all

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Pit Bull Terrier (Hog and Small Species Hunter. Alternatively, a Potential Guard Dog)

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Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll credit you if you want.

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Nah dw about credit it’s just an idea + people can back read 🤷

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UPDATE! Pit Bull Terrier (Hog and Small Species Hunter. Alternatively, a Potential Guard Dog)

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UPDATE! Pit Bull Terrier (Guard Dog)

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I don’t think they would be very good as a guard against lions and tigers but they probably could act as more alert watch dogs for those predators,
pits (American pits are the tallest while staffies are heavier)(APT) average 35-60 lbs 18-21 inches tall at the shoulder, (staffy) average 55-79lbs 18-19inches tall, the smallest breed used for lions ( and they usually use them in groups) is The Rhodesian Ridgeback averaging 79-90 lbs 25-27 inches tall at the shoulder. And usually with tigers you’re dealing with mastiffs or breeds in that size range.

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The Cane Corso might be a valid replacement as well

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Could be, though I only know them as puma dogs in the Americas, not sure how or if they’re used elsewhere

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I mostly thought of pit bulls because I heard a story of a pit that killed several aggressive coyotes at once

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I don’t know honestly. I need a fact checker

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Pitbulls? A "no" from me, sorry.

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Can't imagine them to be useful in this game. Are these kind of dogs irl significantly in use for hunting ?

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They actually are. They are commonly used for hunting wild hogs in the southern states. This was my original purpose for this dog, but I decided to change to the less violent approach of a deterrent against predators and hostile creatures. Pit Bulls have also been known to scare off or eliminate coyotes. They have a decent bark as well that can frighten many creatures, even ones larger than them.

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Side note the dog you showed wasn’t an actual apbt it’s a amstaff the pic below is a apbt

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# rigid dune cant a dog perk do this for the bloodhound? scare away animal attacks

Bit late but yes. The important part is tho the perk is usually put with more desired perks and making a solely guard oriented dog allows for you to do other stuff like the dog giving slight chase to the animal so you know which way it was / where it went, more consistent scare offs (like a 100% chance the animal can’t go aggressive, since the current perk is a chance to), and potentially some other stuff I’m sure

I’m not sure on the pitbull breed myself given I’m unsure they’d be big enough but I do like the idea of a guard dog in general

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Can’t tell you the amount of annoyance saved if I could expert my tracker into this whenever I have 2 female moose running me down after I shoot their boyfriend but I don’t wanna put any lead into them since it might mess up their zone lol

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I usually try to shoot the ground around them but some species do NOT care. Crocs spook with the 22 shot next to them every time so I use that on them but stuff like the cape absolutely refuse to spook and they can chase you for hours it feels

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Yeah Buffalo are stubborn for sure

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I think I’ve even had a few moose like that too

And with tigers sometimes I just don’t wanna deal with em. A dog like that would be great

It’s not making them easier to hunt (in fact, for some, it’s making it harder since aggressive animals usually make themself easy targets) so I don’t see much an issue as long as it’s just an auto flee instead of going aggressive

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Yeah dogs for scaring off predators (depending on the breed) would be nice to have, not sure how well it would go against Cape Buffalo as irl you’d most likely end up with a vet visit as your best case scenario if they actually got into it. But I suppose it could work if the dog diverts attention and then if it gets outside a certain radius of the player it would change to fleeing (aka it was distracted couldn’t catch the dog and then leaves)

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I imagined it more like a passive thing where as long as the dog has that job, then when the animal hits the part past the “alarmed” state, it will always choose flee, instead of getting its usual option between aggressive or fleeing

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Yeah that’s fair, would be simpler to implement, just figured realistically a Cape buffalo wouldn’t be too put off by a single dog, but it is still a game at the end of the day

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Yeah I get that, but I am fine with EW stretching things as long as it’s not like. Too crazy lol

I could see if EW ever does introduce a class 10 with the elephant those being excluded but my suspension of disbelief as long as it’s a big enough dog breed with class 9s and below can remain intact

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@rough panther Thanks for explaining this concept better than I can 😂. I would like to ask everyone that if it is agreed that I should change the suggested breed, which one should I do? I like the thought of the Cane Corso or Rottweiler, but I would be happy to spring for the heavier Bull Mastiff or the Boerboel. I decided against the Pyrenees or other mountain dogs because their thick coat would look uncomfortable in places like Vurhonga. Feel free to share your own dog choices as well. After a little while I might be able to convince a Mod to make a poll in this channel for the best breed option.

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Yaya it’s an idea that’s been brewing in my head for a while lol

I have no additions on what breed it should be since I’m not very familiar with dog breeds for this type of thing.

It is too bad with the Pyrenees tho since we do have an upcoming snowy map and they would look right at home in some of those while the other dog breeds would look like they’re freezing xD feel like it’s hard to get a win win there.

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# winter lily <@880048743242694666> Thanks for explaining this concept better than I can 😂. I...

Would honestly make a new thread lotta people “voted” on ideas that don’t exist here anymore with the 👍👎, as for breeds I agree Boerboel would be a good if not the best African breed, while the Tibetan Mastiff or Caucasian Shepherd would work well for Medved and Sundarpatan ( while heavier coated breed may look out of place in hot climates their double coats do actually protect from both heat and cold though it is more efficient for cold) Akitas, Tosas, Beaucerons, and Anatolian Shepherds would also be good options

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I think in general The Hunter dogs are mostly short coated, so the Boerboel might be the best option for a guard dog. I looked them up and their coat is generally good in all temperatures, so maps should not be an issue. I will make a new thread for it.

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