#The Springbok/Lesser kudu issue

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woeful verge
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I’m shining light on this because we need to talk about it and it’s been bugging me for years . In real life springbok and lesser kudu do NOT share population range’s.
Springbok are found in the countries of South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, and a small chunk of Angola. Southern Africa
Lesser Kudu are found in the countries of Tanzania, Kenya, Somalia, Ethiopia, and small chunks of Uganda and South Sudan. Eastern Africa

I propose that whenever Africa 2.0 is released (in the future) depending on the location, either Springbok or Lesser Kudu be removed from Vurhonga savanna and replaced with either a Southern African species or a Eastern Africa species. And whichever species is removed is placed on that new map.
For example : if the next map is Southern, springbok would be replaced with a Species of Gazelle or Gerenuk(preferably both, because I’m greedy like that)

All in all, Africa is in need of some love and attention from EW for cotw. And this is just something that would make the African experience better for the game. I now feel free with that off my chest

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hasty pebble
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If Vurhonga was fixed up to be in East Africa, not only should the Springbok be replaced with a species of Gazelle (Thomson's and Grant's Gazelles are both fitting) but also several other species be replaced: Gemsbok and Scrub Hare are both found only in Southern Africa with potential East African replacements being Fringe-eared Oryx & Savannah Hare repectively. As for the Blue Wildebeest the ones on Vurhonga seem to be the Southern Blue Wildebeest, a subspecies from Southern Africa where as the wildebeest that live in some of the same parts of Africa that Lesser Kudu live in are White-bearded Wildebeest

woeful verge
long pilot
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Yes. It annoys me too. Make Vurhonga into a central or east African map and build a new Southern Africa map.

faint vigil
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While I don't disagree with you guys, I'd like to provide an alternative perspective:
All maps from EW have some basis in the real world while also having a lot of fictional wildlife ranges that wouldn't normally exist. Emerald Coast, for example, is completely impossible to find IRL because that combination of habitats just doesn't exist in that close of proximity to each other. The same goes for Cuatro Colinas with it's whole four mountains thing; IRL those four ibex species would be considered extremely crunched together and extremely competitive but on the map, they mess with the ranges to where there's no competition. The same can be said for Vurhonga Savannah in my opinion.
It is a fictional map that does have some areas where it's lacking and I fully recognize the points you guys make, but still, in the realm of EW maps, it does make sense for animal ranges to be messed with and for some species to coexist that wouldn't otherwise coexist.
Additionally, the new map, Sundarpatan, may be another prime example of this. It will be a map meant to encapsulate several home ranges of species that would almost never come across one another naturally. It's a single map that is supposedly being used to encapsulate a sampling of the species that the Himalayas as a whole has to offer. A snow leopard would never cross paths with a tiger, yet we see that exact thing happening in their recent teaser.
So all in all, I really don't think we should judge them too harshly for holding strict to real life animal ranges when what they're really doing with their maps is giving us a sampling of many species that could found in a vast region.
Sundarpatan representing the Himalayas, Vurhonga representing a large swath of Africa itself, Cuatro Colinas showing a huge region in which several subspecies of ibex can be found; each map represents a huge swath of land, not just a single region.

hasty pebble
# faint vigil While I don't disagree with you guys, I'd like to provide an alternative perspec...

While I want to agree with you, I also disagree with a few points: For example much of what is on Vurhonga seems to point to it being in South Africa (From animals to codex entires that you get from landmarks to other little hints) so its a tad inaccurate to say Vurhonga represents a vast swath of Africa and if it did, then it would have species that can be found in both Southern AND Eastern Africa (So far that is only Buffalo, Lion, Jackal & Warthog).

So for species that can be found in both Southern and Eastern Africa that could easily replace whats on Vurhonga to better align with the viewpoint that Vurhonga was meant to represent a large part of Africa

  • Bushbuck (Tragelaphus scriptus) - Class 3: A medium sized forest dwelling antelope found all across Southern & Eastern Africa
  • Would replace the Lesser Kudu since they would end up sharing the same home range
  • Impala (Aepyceros melampus) - Class 4: A medium sized antelope and a popular game species found from South Africa to Uganda
  • Would replace the Springbok in the savannah areas.
  • Greater Kudu (Tragelaphus strepsiceros) - Class 6 or 7: A very popular game animal found from South Africa to Sudan & Chad
  • Would replace the Gemsbok since they are a more widespread antelope
  • Savannah Hare (Lepus victoriae): A Hare species found across Africa
  • Would replace the Scrub Hare since the scrub hare is only found in South Africa & Namibia
  • Cap Teal (Anas capensis): Also known as the Cape Wigeon, found in many parts of Sub-Saharan Africa
  • Would replace the Eurasian Wigeon naturally
faint vigil
# hasty pebble While I want to agree with you, I also disagree with a few points: For example m...

And that's totally fair! I just wanted to provide another perspective in defense of EW when it comes to the maps they make. I'm not saying to map itself is representative of a large portion of Africa, just that the species they chose come from largely different areas just like in other maps such as Emerald Coast and Cuatro Colinas is all. I agree with you that they could have done a better job representing what Africa has to offer, but there's also so many species that Africa has to offer as a whole that I would prefer they just make a second new map and honestly a third and even a fourth before they go back and redo an entire map to properly represent something when it's just a fictional game reserve. I appreciate and recognize all the work and thought you've put into this though, it very genuinely is fascinating to see what should have been placed on the reserve versus what actually made it

hasty pebble
torn helm
woeful verge
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I appreciate the respect for one another in this little debate.
@faint vigil what I’m saying is that there’s several different environments/countries in between where Sprinkbok and Lesser Kudu live. It would be like if moose and alligators were on the same map( a bit of an extreme example). Both live relatively close to each other but there’s several different environments/states in between where alligators and moose live, that’s what it’s like with springbok and lesser kudu on the same map.

blazing apex
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The missions make it clear that Vurhonga is in "southern" Africa, never mind the codex entries and what EW has stated about it, esp. when it released. The landscape is also essentially South Africa.

Realistically, since they are not going to remake the map, the easiest "fix" is to remove the Lesser Kudu and replace them with Greater Kudu, and remove the Euro Wigeons in place of MooseDragon247's idea of Cape Teal.

It's not perfect, but the amount of work involved would be not so bad compared to essentially reworking the map entirely. Instead, that time could go into making a new map, one where the Lesser Kudu would be found.

hasty pebble
blazing apex
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True, but they'd have to change up some of the missions and voice acting, I believe.

gray charm
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I'd love to see black wildebeest.

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They're home range is actually in south Africa and I just kinda like the forward facing horns more ngl🤣

remote thistle
paper birch
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one way or another they need to fix this issue.

half tinsel
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I want to see Africa 2.0 include Nile Crocs

paper birch
half tinsel
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I feel like as good as they are, EW hasn’t capitalized on Africa too much