Pop reset black,brown,grizzly bears

[terse fiber]

I know it was to help grinders but the majority of the game are not grinders (black bear) and just want to hunt the bears in their new drink zones and not have to kill every single one to get them at the new drink zone.

[upbeat elm]

So, I started my black bear 'move' and my first kill was my first black bear diamond . Woohoo!
Unfortunately, I've become immediately bored of this entire process which just feels like a slog now.
I'll wait until EW give in and do a forced reset. 😂

[terse fiber]

It’s very much needed

[terse fiber]

From the most recent news I that grizzly and brown bears are also in morning drink time they should definitely do a pop reset on them because nobody is grinding for a great one on them,what do you guys think?

Pop reset black,brown,grizzly bears

[upbeat elm]

I really hope so. I'm about to start clearing my 8pm males on Yukon and Medved.

Like I said on stream chat, I'm happy for the grinders to have a month's grace period to collect all their diamond and GO spoils. But manually moving each bear to it's new time is a colossal amount of work for the casual player. I think a full reset should be done with the next map release. I think that's more than considerate for everyone. Any longer than that is just not fair on the rest of the community. I fully appreciate how painful it must be to prepare these grinds over a long period of time just to have a reset cancel all that work. But resets are not common and are not done without careful consideration. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made for an overall better gameplay and everyone will be affected. I have a melanistic brown bear that i can't locate on Medved and I know that with the reset I will lose that bear and it will suck. But i'd rather have the reset so I can start fresh and get on with the new population management.

[terse fiber]

They should undoubtedly reset the populations on grizzly and brown bear because nobody is grinding for them and it will just make for an overall better experience for everyone.

[upbeat elm]

I've cleared about 20 male and female brown bears along the northern half of Revontuli Coast. I have no bears drinking in the morning. So it seems I'm literally wiping bears off the map. Haven't checked the south part of the map, and I'm not going to. This is way too much of a chore for casual player like me .

Two grinder content partners:
LadyLegend https://youtu.be/rBn4jmqpeq0?si=9Q3CPkbOd-Wbu9Wb
Scarecrow also saying that a pop reset is required.

[upbeat elm]

🐻 pop reset asap please.

[upbeat elm]

[solemn briar]

yes pls, i just started to kill them at night and i am already fed up with it. there is always one hiding and getting away... it will take soo long to get most of them to the new drink time and i will NEVER get all...
it was a try but it failed...pls reset the pop

[honest lark]

I actually dmed u bc i wanna help u find ur bear. Not take it. Just help you out since i know medved pretty well

[upbeat elm]

Would be good to get some info on a possible pop reset during the live stream on Wednesday. 🐻

[terse fiber]

Hopefully

[upbeat elm]

So, it was confirmed on stream today that there will not be any pop reset in the next update or the foreseeable future. 🤣

[terse fiber]

Very disappointed

[upbeat elm]

This has been so badly thought through,
but somehow I think they think it's just going to go away. Half my bear maps will be permanently drinking at the wrong time, with the exception of the odd random kill.
And on the maps that I am hunting bears, I'll never be sure if I got all of them so I'll always be wondering what I've missed. They've managed to nerf an entire animal category. 😂
But apparently grinders are reporting loads of great one spawns. 👍😂
My brother is done with this and has decided to move on to WOTH. I can't blame him. 🤦

[upbeat elm]

So I'm new players' will be in perfect working order and legacy players could have maps that are unsynced with the COTW universe for YEARS to come.

How can this considered logical, fair and appropriate? Can someone please make this make sense to me? I'm just not getting their attitude behind this. 🤦

I have to say that the weirdest part of this fiasco is how the creator partners, who originally criticised EW's decision to do this and their shambolic delivery of the update, have all gone silent and hidden their videos discussing these very points. Why?

[solemn briar]

yeahh i will probably never ever get all bears to the right drinking zone, there will always be some missing. and than having old drinking zones all over the map... man that annoys me already and i feel like that will get worse, my inner monk really doesnt like that 🥺

so basically i have two drinking times now with each half the population... GREAT!!! 🤬

[upbeat elm]

It's ruining my zen! 😭😂

[magic turret]

I can't tell you how many people I know who have walked away from this game that I personally know over the grinding issue. I guarantee you that I'll never see a G1. I don't quite understand their logic behind the G1's. They're here to make the players happy. When in fact. They pushing them away because not everyone can sit there all day long grinding on a game. They may only get a few hours a week to play. It's just an unbalanced system. Everyone who got me started playing this game has walked away because of it.

[terse fiber]

And also if we go around clearing all bears it will cause to much hunting pressure and delete zones for other animals

[upbeat elm]

Exactly, it is not only a complete utter waste of time but is also wrecking the entire hunting experience for every other species.
I would really like to know what percentage do the grinders make up of the player community. It has to be small. How many people can afford that amount of time. Unless their Youtube/stream feeds are very lucrative?
Wrecking the game surely can't be worth it for such a small number of hardcore players. Don't misunderstand me. I fully support the grinders. I like that you can play casually and randomly without collecting any trophies. Or just herd manage and focus on collecting a diamond of each species and rarity, like myself (a kind of soft grind). Or go all hells blazing for those Great Ones.
But sadly, with their recent output, EW's new developer team seem to have shifted their focus this year to prioritising just the grinder community. Nothing about the decision to not reset the bear populations in the future makes any sense, whatsoever. Absolutely nothing.

[terse fiber]

It’s pretty annoying that probably 70% of there focuses on the game are for grinders and maybe only 30% for casual players,I wouldn’t complain at all if it was as evenly distributed

[upbeat elm]

Exactly, @terse fiber
I haven't logged back in since I ran a few tests on the bears a few days ago. I don't feel like I have entirely quit the game just yet. I have spent far too much on it. LOL But I am so disappointed that I just can't see myself giving EW any more money for new DLCs until they resolve this and do us the simple courtesy of communicating with us properly and professionally. It's really not that much to expect and to ask for.

And this is to the devs directly.
I also appreciate that you are reading all of these comments and are probably not enjoying then. But this is what actual feedback looks like. We are reviewing the product you have delivered and which we have paid for. This is not meant to hurt anyone's feelings but it is our only legitimate way of communicating with you openly but so far you have pretty much ignored all these complaints. Save for a vague, noncommittal answer on stream yesterday, you've given us nothing but the virtual middle finger. Well, that's how it feels, anyway.

And for as long as we are not given any definitive answers about this reset for the foreseeable future, I will be raising this thread seeking those answers... for the foreseeable future.

[terse fiber]

Precisely

[magic turret]

I definitely wasn't trying to say this a bad game or even that I dislike it in any way. I want to make this understood because what I said yesterday was very harsh but as much as I hate to say it. Very true. I personally love this game and thank all of you developers from the bottom of my heart! But it needs to be enjoyable by everyone. Not just a the few. Just like the time change on the Bears. Just a suggestion. But when changing drink time for the Bears. Maybe you guys could consider making the next G1 a Brown Bear. And I personally don't even know why it would make any difference to me because like I said. I'm terminally ill and I'll probably never see a G1 of anything. But anyway. I do love your game very much. It's definitely the best game I've ever played. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. This will be my last post about this.

[upbeat elm]

100% agree.
I'm sorry to hear about your situation though. In a much smaller way I can also appreciate how this game can improve the quality of life for some people. I live with a very rare condition called him a hemicrania continua (similar to trigeminal neuralgia) which is an unrelenting, permanent fluctuation of a sharp pain in my face that has been going on for 15 years now. My brother, who is a big gamer, suggested this game as a way to immerse myself in nature wildlife photography is a hobby of mine but not as easy these days. COTW was the first game I installed on my Xbox and it's been a massive help in keeping those fluctuations low and tolerable. Something I'll always be extremely grateful for.

[faint harbor]

So now all the normal hunters that run around & shoot bears have to go kill all the bears in the night time, first they have to find the drinking zones on all 4 maps & most of the hunters would not have the night binoculars & scope, I have tried to find the zones over a few nights & spend many hours to only get a few bears on spring ridge.
Where the grinders have tents set up on the main ponds already & have the night gear to make it easier & only have to kill the bears on the one map they prefer, they would probably find there zones in no time with there knowledge of the game & animals.
You seem to be only thinking of the grinders first you stuff all us normal players up to make it so the mountain lions don't stuff up there grinds & change the bear time from 15.00 to midnight ect, why not change the agro of lions, bears are near other animals with no problems so why not the lions. We have to kill all the bears to get them back to the day time, grats the the person that thought this was a great idea. I have tried to kill the bears on just one map & I have the night gear & now I have given up & so how is the less experienced gamers suppose to kill them all. Silver ridge was one of my favourite maps to hunt but since I started you have reduced the mountain goats & bears & I have a harder time shooting lions since there reset, keep this up & you will lose the normal players. Played 2,730 hours.

[solemn briar]

yeah i only have half a grinding setup on te awaroa for reddeer so finding all bears at nighttime is a pain in the a***. with the time i am investing in this game it doesnt even make sense to start hunting bears... 🥺 🤬

[magic turret]

I haven't checked yet. But I think it's probably for each map. To add insult to injury. I have 50% of my Bears on SRP drinking in the morning and the other half still at night. But I'm pretty sure if I go to any of my other maps. All the Bears will still be drinking at night. Yes. I too believe this to be discrimination. If you're going to change the game? Then change the game. I don't believe you have to do a pop reset to change the drink time. So it shouldn't harm anyone's existing grind.

[upbeat elm]

The new bear times affect all bear species on all maps, that they exist on. So that is 7 maps in total, by my count. Meaning half of the current maps in the game are wrecked.
A pop reset is required to change bear times instantly for all bears. By not doing the pop reset it means that grinders who have lots of diamonds and great ones on their maps will not lose their grind setups and will continue to reap those rewards, whilst the rest of the community has to just tolerate their messed up maps. This decision completely discriminates against the casual player. And by 'casual player', I don't mean people who log in once a month. I mean those who put in the same amount of hours as grinders but prefer the original game style or slower hunt i.e bow hunting. I've played this game for around 12 months and I've put more than 3000 hours into it. I have excel spreadsheets logging my diamond and rare finds and have created maps documenting my species herd management. I have invested as much time in this game as a grinder. But screw us.
.
.

These are some examples of my spreadsheets. They have not been updated yet, which will happen in time. But I have not played the game since they did this so no hurry on that.

Reindeer herd management (soft grind)

[upbeat elm]

54 up votes in 2 weeks. 🔥 👍

[terse fiber]

Make it 55

[solemn briar]

and pls, everyone who sees this and has the same opinion, pls give a up vote and make a comment. if more people react to this, its more likely to see a change!

[blazing cairn]

I never hunted bears that much and now I have to 1) find night drink zones, 2) shoot night bears, 3) find morning bears. Times all the maps. Way too tedious process. I log 6 hours a day and for past three days only got half of Medved converted. I’d rather have pop reset and use that time to re-setup my SRP black bear grind.

[upbeat elm]

Exactly. It will be far quicker to resetup our hunting systems than this laborious process.

[green marten]

I know, that you have to kill existing black bear first to make them drink at 4-8 when you already have them on your map. I bought silver ridge peaks yesterday tho and they are feeding at 4-8 and drinking at 8-12. Do I have to kill all too even though i got the map weeks aftger the change?

[terse fiber]

No

[solemn briar]

lucky you, would love to buy it fresh to avoid this nonsense....

[green marten]

I bought it new and they still don't have the right time😭I literally have a 4:00-8:00 Feeding Zone and I checked 3 lakes and at 4-8 there were no bears I'm avoiding nothing

[delicate hornet]

yes pop reset please

[upbeat elm]

Let's raise some awareness of this on stream today. I'm travelling so cannot watch.

[terse fiber]

Kinda weird from the live how Jaxy was saying only one species was effected when there is actually 3

[upbeat elm]

And SEVEN maps affected. Denial, indeed.

[blazing cairn]

And he said 90% are not grinders. No software company will openly admit they made a major mistake like this. Only one mention three streams ago that there was a miscommunication. I don’t believe this. How does the business unit not talk to the tech unit. My guess is they are focusing on new sales now in hopes that future users won’t know about this miscommunication. Also, the content creators are keeping quiet about this. Like they aren’t allowed to talk about it.

[blazing cairn]

But I’m glad they made this mistake. Would rather hunt bears at new time. Opens up for future animal to drink 20-00. Like turkeys!

[torn condor]

That doesn’t make much sense at all!

[blazing cairn]

I guess I thought an older version had Turkey drink time. Or some other animal that doesn’t drink anymore. But now all bear maps have a prime drink time open.

[torn condor]

They did, but now it’s fixed.

[upbeat elm]

I've worked as a creative in a tech company. A lot of these poor decisions come down from the marketing team who often don't have a full perspective of the situation and what their target audience want. They love fixing things that aren't broken. Nothing said in the live streams over the last year, about how EW operate, has surprised me. And it also wouldn't surprise me if there has been some internal strife kicking off over this. But whoever is to blame, pretending the problem does not exist is never a good look for any company.

[lime sundial]

I don't think this is a mistake on the part of the developers, the decision was made in favor of the grinders because every 10 messages in the general chat there is one about grinding, all content creators make and show grinding, the vast majority of trophies shares are about grinding (on facebook group), I am also an administrator of a CotW community and almost everything I share is about grinding...

Everything the community shows and asks is about grinding and GOs, it doesn't seem strange to me that they have made the decision to favor this mechanic since at the moment it is the most popular and the most visualization gives the game.

[upbeat elm]

The most visibility is definitely from grinders. That's not being denied here. Which is why they've been given priority by EW despite several contradictory statements that continue to be made regularly in the live streams. I would like to see evidence that the vast majority of the COTW community are actually grinders because I don't believe that for one second. 😂

Even the content creators were making videos commenting on what a mess this has been BUT those videos have conveniently been removed from public view. There's no denying that this has been an embarrassing mess for EW. We now have new players reporting in the Support channel that the maps they've bought, after the drink change, are producing bear drinking times that are neither the old or new schedule. 🤦
EW should just get on with it and do the reset.

[twin plaza]

I do recall DD33 in one of his recent livestreams talking about grinding and I guess he disagrees with grinding

[blazing cairn]

I just don’t see casual gamers spending hours a day grinding. They may stumble across COTW in Xbox gamepass…not knowing the awesomeness of discord channels.

Ugh. Just spent 4 hours on my 4 SRP lakes and still 5’s and 6’s. Staring to get boring. So tempted to shoot my other night drinking lakes but trying to stay disciplined.

[terse fiber]

The thing that bugs me is that why can’t they just reset grizzly and brown bear atleast because nobody grind for them and that will atleast fix half the problem

[lime sundial]

They already have the percentage of players who prefer GO Grinding, it was question number 11 in the survey carried out in January of this year.

11. What is your favorite play style in theHunter: Call of the Wild?
    . Hunt Club activities
    . Searching for rare animals
    .“Organic” hunting, I just go out and see what I can find.
    . Playing the missions
    . Exploring the reserve
    . Find animals with high score (Diamonds)
    . Grinding for Great Ones

[upbeat elm]

I completed this survey. Have you got the results?

[upbeat elm]

Whenever I look at the Steam stats there's about 5000 currently playing at any given time. How many people completed that survey? You need those numbers and a far more in depth breakdown of any data gathered to assume that the majority of COTW players are hardcore grinders, making hundreds of kills a week.
I haven't seen any evidence in any of the Discord channels that would suggest this. More to the contrary, in fact.

[terse fiber]

I would find that if the majority of players are hardcore grinders very hard to believe

[lime sundial]

Almost 30,000 according to the Facebook post..
It is the opinions that count, if the rest of the users do not vote they have no voice..
Remember that we don't have more Missions because no one votes for them in the polls, that's how important they are since they are marking studies that define where future content will be directed.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/pjt5YJdq9euZdWAF/?mibextid=oFDknk

[upbeat elm]

You believe that the majority of 30000 polled players are hardcore grinders?
What is the argument you're trying to formulate here?
That COTW only creates or changes content based on the popular requests in their survey results?

Let's put aside the number of players who did not see that survey. Looking at the Discord feedback channel alone, COTW clearly do not follow through on every popular request and have never made any guarantees of what they will implement. They reiterate this during almost every single live stream. Even if you did have the results of that survey they wouldn't provide you with a much clearer insight into how content decisions are made. Or how the player base is divided between casual and hardcore grinders. It was admitted on live stream just a couple of weeks ago that some lower voted ideas/requests may be pushed forward ahead of more popular ones. They also admitted that the decision not to reset bears was something they would be learning from. Learning from a mistake?

The content that EW delivers is based on much more complicated veribles than the results of a survey and what the majority of players want. We'd have an entirety different game if it did.

[lime sundial]

I'm giving you data, honestly I don't care at all about this thread or the bears, but I see that you are so angry about it that you don't even see the real data or understand reasons...
The missions thing has been mentioned many times, that they did not continue adding them because they were not popular in some surveys.
At the Hunting Lodge together with the developers we heard it once again from Arshak, that these surveys are important for the development of the content...
There is no other way to get user "play modes" data other than this way, Avalanche Studios has always done it and will continue to do it because it is relevant.

As I said before, those who do not vote in these polls have no voice, it is not humanly possible to monitor all the comments on all networks all the time and here on Discord there is a minority of the total number of users who own the game taking into account that there is no support in languages other than English.

[blazing cairn]

Bears! 🐻

[storm crag]

Probably sounds lame but that polling was super fun for me. 😆

[upbeat elm]

You've given no data, other than 30000 people completed a poll, and you're now talking in circles, repeating irrelevant points that have already been discussed. But thanks for sharing I guess. 😂

[upbeat elm]

I quite enjoyed it too. 😂

[lime sundial]

The survey, the majority were videos on YouTube about grinding, the majority of the posts in the official Facebook group about grinding, the majority of the posts in the Spanish Facebook group about grinding, the number of queries about grinding in the general chat, all You can corroborate that data.

But if you still want to believe that favoring grinders was an unfounded decision and a mistake, good for you..

I see that users who are more active and who view the game more were favored.

[upbeat elm]

I follow the Facebook page and read the general chat so I know you're talking utter bollocks on both those counts. 😂
Youtubers are obviously mostly grinders but they make up a very small portion of the overall community. They also have the most visibility for COTW hence them being prioritised. Which is what this thread is about. How are you not getting this? 🤦

But do go on with your absolutely laughable assumptions because they really are getting quite funny now. 🤣

[twin plaza]

Plus some Youtubers, including a big one are speaking out against grinding

[upbeat elm]

It's so contentious that I know of least one who removed their video about it from public view.

I'm referring specifically about the bear issue in the above case.

[terse fiber]

My favourite cotw YouTuber is flinter for the sole reason that he actually hunts

[twin plaza]

Its also part of why I enjoy his content

[acoustic gorge]

I wouldn't mind a pop reset even though I do grind, I could set everything back up overtime.

[bright junco]

Even though I am a grinder I would like a reset so I don't have to shoot all my brown and grizzly bears because I wouldn't grind them anyway

[upbeat elm]

Exactly this.

[cedar arch]

I think it’s more reasonable to expect a grinder to spend a couple of days to set up a grind again, than expecting a casual hunter to spend months to run across 7 maps, possibly several times, shoot hundreds of bears, and being forced to play a way that they might not enjoy at all. Even if grinders were the majority, it still screws over a lot of people. I also think that there’s a lot of voices that go unheard because they aren’t in the discord or any of the other social media groups.

[solemn briar]

usually the voices that go unheard are the casuals, yes. when you invest more time and effort into a game you usually end up on discord and other socials eventually.

also i think the grinder wouldnt stop grinding because they have to set it up again, but casuals might stop playing or stop hunting bears forever, which in the end would hurt the game

[upbeat elm]

This is the very crux of the argument. And to add to Rastigan's comment, the casuals go unheard because we don't have YouTube channels showcasing the game. It does not mean that casuals put in an insignificant amount of time playing the game.

[blazing cairn]

Along with the process of killing the bears, what I’m having a problem with is keeping track of what I’m doing. I can’t remember the lakes that I’ve killed because I can’t visit them in the morning with all that hunting pressure.

[terse fiber]

Kinda funny how they expect us to shoot out every bear out of every zone for out maps to work how intended

[upbeat elm]

Bahaahaa. When you look at it like this which clear thinking individual thought this was a great idea?!

It's been my suspicion that browns and grizzlies were never meant to be changed and that it was a technical f'up from the start. Which would explain why none of the community managers or EW seemed to be aware of the situation until players started reporting all species were affected. 👀

[terse fiber]

Could be true but even if we excluded the brown and grizzly bears from that it’s still a mad load of bears to shoot

[upbeat elm]

Totally agree.

[upbeat elm]

🐻

[idle knoll]

I do hope the reset. People have managed resets before so why they couldn't manage it now?

[blazing cairn]

People always complained about pop resets and they wanted to avoid an unhappy community. Maybe this was a ploy to show us something worse so we come to appreciate resets 😂

[upbeat elm]

Yep.
Definitely why EW decided not to do it this time. But, as mentioned, it's much quicker for a grinder to rebuild their grind over a few days than to have the majority of players stuck with messed up maps and unspotted bears permanently drinking at night. Resets are not fun but they are necessary when a major change is applied to a species. The sooner it is done the better it is for everyone.

Also, as pointed out several times in this thread, brown bears and grizzlies are not grind species so it was not necessary to implement this slow 'kill-one-move-one' process for them. I'm okay with them realising a mistake and fixing it but the last live streams suggests that there was no intention of ever doing any resets for bears. Bonkers. 🤦

This is also one of the fastest up-voted threads in the feedback channel so for EW to pretend that people are not upset or don't want a reset is kind of odd to me.

[cedar arch]

Jaxy said (in the stream where they revealed that they were doing it this way) that they could offer a population reset for the next release, if this whole thing didn’t work out. I hope they keep their word on that.

[upbeat elm]

Me too. I haven't seen last week's stream yet but this seemed to change in the previous stream where he said, when answering my question, that they had no plans to do a reset in the next update. Time will tell, I guess.

[cedar arch]

Guess all we can do is wait and hope for the best.

[blazing cairn]

I’m trying a new method on my Yukon map since I have the most night drink zones on it. Shoot a section/lake, shoot wolves to clear hunting pressure…then check that section/lake for morning bears. Well…no morning bears on that part of the map. Back to square one. Probably should have left to main menu or a few time changes.

[upbeat elm]

I think so. Not sure.
I'm on Xbox so I think our equivalent is a 'force quit' out of the game but I always have to do one of these to get my respawns (all species). This contradicts what some videos have said but I have used this to my advantage when taking out lynx before a reindeer hunt.

[upbeat elm]

🐻

[upbeat elm]

🏹

[lament aspen]

The problem I have found with this new Bear drink time is after about 30 rotations some of the black bears are reverting back to the 20-00 drink time it’s a pain you have to shoot them again to get them to go back to the new time . Not only is it a huge pain to use 15 to 20 rotations to go around and shoot everyone of them it screws up your shooter ratios so you have to go back and basically start your grind all over again. To do herd management, and lock your non shooters to those zones. It keeps happening second time was 12 rotations later third time was 7 rotations forth , fifth, and sixth time was 4 rotations I give up on trying to finish this grind until you do a reset.

[terse fiber]

Yeah some of my grizzlys are respawning in the old time

[upbeat elm]

🧸

[upbeat elm]

bear bump

[terse fiber]

Bump

[upbeat elm]

Let's get this up to 100

[proper cedar]

No way I thought months for a good herd Management

[solemn briar]

i wish they would just give us each an option, like 1 month time to click a button so population is resetted. if we dont press the button, or decline, everything stays like it is - everybody would be happy with that

but it cant stay like it is now

[upbeat elm]

All bears on all maps?

[proper cedar]

No black bears on srp

[upbeat elm]

Fair enough. No one likes to have to set up again but to affect all bears on all maps for everyone because a few have grinds or HMs on a single map is just crazy though.

[upbeat elm]

🐻

[solemn briar]

its been a few weeks now - did we get any new statement for this? got it mentioned once?

[upbeat elm]

I missed the latest stream, as I was away, but the last mention on this was that there was no intention to do a reset for the next update or in the foreseeable future. Although, that's not to say it won't ever happen but we may be waiting a very long time. Which is why it's important to continue raising awareness and keep this thread at the top of this channel.

[blazing cairn]

Has only been a month or so since last update so they are probably still evaluating. Hotfix usually go out immediately or a software company doesn’t want to call it a “fix” so they wait for the next update. Last two streams were cancelled so it’s been awhile. Was probably discussed at their recent company meetings.

[upbeat elm]

At the moment we can only go by what they are saying on Jaxy's stream. And I doubt they're being 100% clear with him... or themselves. I guess we just have to wait.

[frank mountain]

It is honestly really annoying, expecting us to reset black bears brown bears and grizzly bears by ourselves. Im sure the grinders wouldn't mind if the population was reset because the general community isn't JUST grinders

[terse fiber]

Super annoying

[upbeat elm]

It's even more annoying when you consider that most grinders will only be black bear grinding on one map. So everyone else has to do a full manual reset on seven bear maps because of a minority of people with bear grinds on a single map. It will never make sense to me

[terse fiber]

We better get a reset or I will be very mad

[daring inlet]

bump these bears are beary hard

[solemn briar]

best solution would be that we get to decide if we want to reset or not by ourselves. we could get a little menu where we have a one-time choice for reset or not. could be once per map. and maybe 2weeks time until it resets the pop automatically if you chose nothing, if you decline it stays as it is. so nobody can abuse this by taking too much time with the decision

would be good for future population changes too

[frank mountain]

Thats a really nice idea

[upbeat elm]

Great idea but, realistically, I can't see them ever dedicating the time to build that. The only real solution is for them to eventually do a reset regardless of the consequences for a few, but give some warning in advance.

[upbeat elm]

I'm giving it to the end of 2024 to see some major improvements and not just with this. If we don't see anything significant by January I'm moving on to WOTH permanently. They may be a smaller game in terms of maps and hunting tools but they have very few bugs and the gameplay Is a lot smoother and far more consistent in terms of being able to easily hunt every species it has to offer. I also like that it's pretty much impossible to grind on their system. WOTH's only big set back is that the trophy display system kind of sucks but I'm sure they'll be reviewing this and seeking ways to make it better.

[proper cedar]

If you you don't like the game you don't need to play it if what you expect is a realistic hunting simulator like woth which also is a great game then you won't be happy here and that's okay but please don't make it worse for others if the game you're expecting is completely different Cotw just might not be what you need

[upbeat elm]

Firstly, this discussion has nothing to with realism of the game. Secondly, I play solo so my game affects no one else. Thirdly, this is a free space for people to share their opinions and feedback, and you have no say over that Finally, you do not have to read this thread if it upsets you.

[daring inlet]

can people get there bears all shot and stuff yeah, but not the occasional player or players who find it really annoying

[terse fiber]

Hopefully we get something this live

[magic turret]

No!! I have spent time doing the way they want to do it. It was not easy and I'm not going to redo again.

[terse fiber]

You won’t have to redo it…..

[magic turret]

Yes, I will have to go through all the zones again.

[terse fiber]

You won’t need to shoot them out again they will all be in the 4-8 drink zone

[magic turret]

Still have to go through 6 maps and rediscover everything.

[terse fiber]

Well the bears will be in more or less the same spots you don’t need to rediscover them

[magic turret]

Zones yes. Only common Zones stay on a pop reset. I would have to rediscover 80 percent plus.
I Not going to keep debating it. I would prefer they don't change it again. So much more work.

[terse fiber]

Common zones?

[upbeat elm]

I poked the bear on the live stream. 😂

[terse fiber]

Wonder when the polls will come out

[upbeat elm]

Soon, I hope. It's a great idea. It won't represent the entire community but the polls will hopefully give the COTW team a clearer understanding of what their engaged players want.

[terse fiber]

Hopefully we get a bear reset poll maybe it could be like 3 different ones for each species it would make the most sense

[upbeat elm]

Yes, I was just going to post something about this. Maybe I'll also mention it in Jaxy's stream.

It would be good to see what the core players think. It wont represent the whole community but at least we'll know once and for all what the engaged player base wants. We'll then have to accept those results no matter what the outcome is.

[terse fiber]

Correct if people don’t want the reset it is what it is I’m not going to go crazy about it I would just prefer if they did get reset

[solemn briar]

well we are at 90 thumbs up and 4 down... i think i know the direction this is going xD but we will seee. im still waiting/hoping for the pop reset... havent played since that update at all... really wanted to hunt the new bear at silver ridge peak but that update took all my motivation away...

[upbeat elm]

And the fact that this is one of the fastest upvoted threads at the moment I think it would be very interesting to see what the community want. Let's see if EW are brave enough to ask community.

[upbeat elm]

[upbeat elm]

For the bears!

[blazing cairn]

Da’ Bears!!! Crap. I just aged myself. lol.

[frank mountain]

BEAR! BEAR! BEAR!

[alpine compass]

My face processing the fact that we still haven't gotten a pop reset

[subtle axle]

How many bears exists in a map? does anyone know their average population? It already seems unreasonable finding and killing all the bears to replace them in a single map, imagine trying to do that in every map to fix the problem.

[solemn briar]

as a casual player it doesnt even make sense to try. you will always miss quite a few and than have the pop devided between 2 drinktimes

[upbeat elm]

Hey guys, I have a question for casual players.
How many kills do you do a week? If you consider yourself a grinder please state your weekly kill count too.

Here's my prolife:
Casual, 100-200 per week, mostly waterfowl, hunt club missions, deer bow hunting and lions (for cash)

[alpine compass]

0 counting for 12 weeks

[upbeat elm]

How about when you're playing.

[alpine compass]

I do not keep track but maybe 100-125 per week actually that may be too many I'll go with 80-110

[terse fiber]

Around the same for me

[proper cedar]

I do about 800

Sometimes I do also do about 1400 and sometimes only 200

[upbeat elm]

Is that for grinds or casual hunting?

The 800 I mean. 1400 must be grinds, wow.

[proper cedar]

I only hunt casual

[upbeat elm]

Impressive. 🏆

Why don't you do grinds?

[upbeat elm]

@terse fiber Did you watch the stream today? Not guaranteed and anything can change between now and then but there was positive talk by Jaxy on the Hunting Lodge that EW seem to be seriously considering doing a pop reset for the next update. Really hope this is going to happen. 🤞 🎉

[terse fiber]

I did sir, delighted with what we got from that now let’s hope they stick to the plans of resetting 🤞

[alpine compass]

Oh thank the lord and I'm a atheist lol I don't watch streams too long for really not so much entertainment and that's where you folks come in

[upbeat elm]

I find this stream quite useful. If it is something you care about then you can get a good sense of where companies is at currently and what direction they're sort of going in. It's also a great opportunity to give direct feedback to the community manager and the team. I honestly think it's one of the best community engagements out there. Plus, Jaxy is hilarious! 😂

[proper cedar]

Don't like them just not that fun

[upbeat elm]

Fair enough. If you don't mind me asking, how many great ones do you have?

[proper cedar]

1 I mostly hunt for diamonds and rares

[upbeat elm]

Same. But clearly, I need to up my game. LOL

[proper cedar]

I have 4000 hours Ingame so I don't know how casual

[upbeat elm]

Oh right. I expected more. How long have you been playing COTW? Last check, I had 8000 hours in but been playing about a year now. I do a lot of free roaming and not much shooting.

[proper cedar]

You have been playing Cotw for 333 days straight after playing just a year?

[proper cedar]

Since the end of 2020

[upbeat elm]

800 not 8000. Correction: Got this a liitle mixed up. 8000 kills. Just under 3000 hours mostly on Hunt Club missions and waterfowl.

[frank mountain]

Bear resetttt!

[bright junco]

plz reset bears devs

[terse fiber]

If we get a reset I wanna see a bear this big on my map

[upbeat elm]

The GO needs to be remodelled off this. 😂

[bright junco]

her name is hank the tank and she has her own wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_the_Tank

[alpine compass]

What kind of a name is Hank for a Sow Bear

[proper cedar]

That's not a tank that's a whole artillery

[upbeat elm]

For the bears! For sanity! For fairness! 🐻 ✊

[alpine compass]

Should we call in the Russian Bears for a coup maybe🤔

[alpine compass]

@upbeat elm I got a question for you so I've been thinking of a game concept that is very much similar to Cabelas Alaskan Adventures and was thinking what would your opinion be on a game set in the State of Alaska or in multiple locations where you could hunt and fish in the same game?

[proper cedar]

So call of the wild ultimate, I have thinking about this concept for a while but in the end I think they won't do it.

[alpine compass]

I was thinking of something along the lines of Call of the Wild Alaska Adventures or something like that but yeah

[upbeat elm]

Sounds like they would need a whole new development team for this. I like the concept and would definitely be interested but I'm also quite content at the moment with two high quality hunting games (COTW and WOTH) and the Angler. The gaming market is very competitive so quite possibly something like this is on the horizon. The Angler have spoken about hopefully adding animals to their maps in the distant future.

[proper cedar]

Would be so cool to be able to hunt in golden ridge or izzi

[alpine compass]

I just wonder how the whole looks part of the game would be like because the two games have quite different looks to them

[worn steppe]

dont think adding animals to Angler will be for hunting purposes ... just for atmosphere

[upbeat elm]

I think decorative would be better. Hunting is not needed. Well, not unless they shut down COTW. But that's unlikely to happen anytime soon.

[blazing cairn]

Focus, people. Bears.

[daring inlet]

bump

[upbeat elm]

Hey, at least this thread is staying at the top where it should be. 😂

[solemn briar]

almost to 100 thumbs up!! keep in going 👍 🔥

[upbeat elm]

🐻

[terse fiber]

3 more hopefully on Tuesday we get confirmation of the reset👀🤣

[terse fiber]

Just got this on my alt account hence no screen shot but if we get the reset I hope to find this rare on my main

[upbeat elm]

All fingers 🤞

[upbeat elm]

🐻

[frank mountain]

BEAR

[upbeat elm]

I can't bear it.

[terse fiber]

BOYS WE WON

[daring inlet]

I missed the stream, comfirmed reset??

[upbeat elm]

Yep, next update so hopefully June if the next map is then. That's seems to be the plan anyway. 🤞

[daring inlet]

Yippee!

[proper cedar]

Nah shoot

I guess it's better for everyone but I'll have to do all my herd managing again so that's a real pain in the butt.

[alpine compass]

Congratulations won't affect me in anyway because I don't play cotw and never will again but good job bringing this up to EW👍

[upbeat elm]

Thanks, appreciated. COTW has its flaws and could do with some improvements but overall it's a really great game. I do think they have the best trophy/reward system compared to other hunting games.

I really can't wait to get bear hunting again. This is awesome news. Thanks devs for hearing us. 🙏

[upbeat elm]

I'm sorry about that. I hope it's not too much of a bother setting up a new grind.

[idle knoll]

💪🏻💪🏻

[daring inlet]

why dont you play it im curious?

[blazing cairn]

Great work everyone!! So glad they gave us heads up so we can casually play bears until reset. I’ll help any grinder that wants help and doesn’t like this change. New bear drink time overlaps with other animals so will be easy to find them again.

[frank mountain]

WE GOT RESETS?

[daring inlet]

not yet, when the map update is

[frank mountain]

so you mean never.... 🥲

[daring inlet]

Soonᵀᵐ

[bright junco]

LETS GOOOO BEAR RESET

hopefully a new map with the same update??

[honest lark]

Hell yeah I can start massacring all my bears again

[subtle axle]

The wait will be Unbearable

[daring inlet]

Beary, beary long

[solemn briar]

nice, finally a reason to go back to the game as soon as the reset happens 😉 cant wait

[alpine compass]

I don't get any enjoyment out of the game anymore I'm hardly successful when it comes to rares or diamonds and it just seems like EW is catering more to grinders than casual players so I just gave up on the game I might play the new map when it comes out but other than that it will probably be the end of it

[upbeat elm]

🎉 💯 🎉

[daring inlet]

makes sense, sorry it aint good for you anymore

[upbeat elm]

Make COTW bearable again. 🧸

[proper cedar]

Chill they already agreed

[upbeat elm]

You chill. It's a joke. 😂

[worn steppe]

Its a common situation... we all get burnt out and need to take a break .... it wont be long before you will return ....

[upbeat elm]

Ya, burnout is normal. I did after a reindeer diamond grInd. Not as hardcore as a GO grind but still intense. Took a two month break. I usually switch to something more slow paced like bow hunting too. Planning to set up a soft grind as soon as these bears are reset.

[terse fiber]

After emerald coast I took a 6 month break

[daring inlet]

when the Angler came out i took a break from that, but im getting back into it slowly, kinda just waiting for the new map

[magic turret]

Until we don't at all!

[upbeat elm]

Hoping for some bearable clues on the new map, QOL improvements and bear resets in today's live stream. 🤞 🐻

[kind grove]

They confirmed we're going to get a bear reset with the new map? I tried to shoot all my bears in just ONE map and lost patience with just 3 lakes checked, I'm sooooo hoping for a pop reset, I wanna hunt them with a bit of sunlight!

[upbeat elm]

Yep, it's definitely happening. 🎉

[kind grove]

Yippeeee!!!

[bright junco]

hoping for a grizzly rework along with the reset

[terse fiber]

Me too

[frank mountain]

Grizzlies look god awful fr XD

[kind grove]

Man so many animals need rework

[shy salmon]

Scrub and european hare look so bad, especially when you compare them to cottontail rabbit

[proper cedar]

Yeah European rabbit could also be better, antelope jackrabbit, mountain hare and cottontails all look great

[upbeat elm]

This reset really can't come soon enough. I want to start a herd management on SRP asap.

[alpine compass]

I want to too but I don't enjoy grinding I just don't get how people can do that for hours on end

[upbeat elm]

No, I can't do that either but each to their own. More power to them if it churns out those GOs. I don't have the stanima for chasing GOs.
I'll be doing a much slower grind or 'diamond grind' as I like to call it. Same principle as a GO grind of taking out level 5+ on certain lakes etc but at a much slower more normal pace and like once a day. It's herd management at it's most basic but it helped getting me my first diamond reindeer.

[alpine compass]

One of my bigger problems is money which along with not enjoying it I burn through money so much that it leaves me not enough to set up a full grind

Thankfully I'm doing better in terms of accuracy and saving ammo

[upbeat elm]

That's why I prefer a slow grind. You kill at the exact same pace as normal casual hunting but just follow the rules of a grind. Takes several months to set up but I quite like the organisation part of it. And it does work. I'm just not killing hundreds of animals a day. That seems bloody exhausting. 😂

[upbeat elm]

Yeah. I'm a bit OCD about clean shots. LOL. I think GO grinds will be too traumatic. 😂

[alpine compass]

Remember how you talked about how people get burned out but eventually they come out looks like you were correct I'm starting to make a comeback to COTW and just yesterday I got my first diamond in 4 or 5 months a guranteed Diamond Saltwater Crocodile Scoring 1045 and estimates were 1028-1145

[upbeat elm]

Yeah. Burnout is why I can't get into hardcore grinds. Even with the reindeer slow grind I felt a bit burnt out after getting that diamond. And that was just one diamond! Hahaha.
If I ever see a GO it'll be pure luck!

Not GO reindeer obviously. GO anything

[alpine compass]

I always dreamt of basically getting every GO with different combos and SR's with different furs and plumage meanwhile I can't even get one of those

[upbeat elm]

Try a slow grind. You never know. The only major difference is I kill from lev 6 up. Not 5. Leave all the 5s. It still works but you'll get mostly diamonds.

At some point a GO has to pop up, right? 😂

[alpine compass]

Worst thing is those grinds that are over 10k kills

[upbeat elm]

Yeah, they're crazy numbers. Also very boring. My total kill count is 8000 for all species over 15 months. It's nothing in comparison. I do my herd managements about 3 times a week and the rest of the time is just casual hunting with anything else that takes my fancy that day. My main focus for this game is collecting a diamond of every uncommon and common fur for each species, Non-grinding herd management helps with that.

[alpine compass]

@upbeat elm what are your thoughts on Sundarpatan Reserve that's coming

[upbeat elm]

I couldn't be more excited. But I'm trying not to be in case my expectations are not met. LOL.
I'm sure it's going to be outstanding. Looking forward to exploring the terrain and biomes and hopefully we'll getting a few awesome exotic species. Although,
I worry people are being too confident we're getting tigers. Be cool if it did happen though.

What are your thoughts?

[alpine compass]

Oh crap sorry I didn't the notification and I was watching some gameplay

I'm looking forward to it, it will be a very welcome change of scenery and we have not got a Asian map in the game or for awhile depending on who you ask I'm definitely excited to see the terrain and what the map looks like but from what I've seen it's going to be incredibly beautiful comparable to that of EC,RC and NEM as for the species if we're getting Tigers I hope they won't be like Pumas or Mountain Lions but I cannot wait to get into some mountain hunting and of course everything else and honestly I'm quite excited but I'm keeping it under control in case I may be disappointed like I have been before with some maps when I first purchased them

[upbeat elm]

I didn't catch it but apparently it was mentioned on the live stream last week that pumas and mountain lions were getting fixed in this next update. All fingers crossed for that one! 🤞

[alpine compass]

Thank goodness I can't tell you how much I hate Parque and SRP because of those stupid screaming cats if I wanted to listen to those I would just play a recording

[upbeat elm]

It's annoying that I have to time skip the feeding times to avoid it.

[magic turret]

So happy they're doing a pop reset, it was needed desperately! I just couldn't bring myself to manually set the new zones, too much of a hassle 😂

[upbeat elm]

Hell yeah! 🥳

[subtle axle]

they will feel like new maps without those constant screams from hell lol, specially Parque. Hopefully people will like that map more.

[alpine compass]

Hmm and I'm so glad that Water Buffalo and Blackbuck are getting remodels too I have wanted to see Parque Fernado get updated abit for some time now all that would be left would be Cinnamon Teal, Puma, Mule Deer and maybe Collared Peccary but I don't think they need an update right now

[merry pumice]

Pop reset aside I just came to say if you don't Grind the devs hate you. This changes nothing.

[kind grove]

YAAAY for black bear pop reset!

I have a diamond water buffalo taxed and I'm so eager to see how it looks with the new model!

[terse fiber]

Can’t wait to hunt my new bear population

[late kraken]

Many thanks to Wolverine, Zen, and others for keeping the pressure going for a bear reset. Not sure if it helped make it happen, but it's fun to think it did. I stopped my black bear grind when we had to shoot them to daytime, so I'm looking forward to getting back on bears! 🐻

[magic turret]

Tomorrow is the day...can't wait to go on a bear hunt!

[upbeat elm]

Ah, thanks. There was a massive outcry on the other platforms like Facebook so I imagine that had a huge impact too. Just happy it's happening.

[magic turret]

It's finally here! Happy hunting everyone 🐻🏹

[upbeat elm]

YAY! Although, I'm too busy in Nepal to go check. LOL

[subtle axle]

The drink zones are Bearable again! 🧸

[terse fiber]

Me too

[magic turret]

Same here! Gonna be awhile 🤣

[late kraken]

It's light out on Revontuli, and thar be bears 🥹

[upbeat elm]

No reset?

[late kraken]

They reset to 4-8 drink time - it's just nice to see them in the light 🐻

[upbeat elm]

Cant wait to get a little casual grind going. I think SRP now the cats are supposed be less annoying.

[upbeat elm]

Man, I read that as 'lights out' earlier. 🤦‍♂️ LOL I'll shut up now. 😂

[solemn briar]

just read the same xD as a german i have to say "its light out" sounds weird xD to close to the opposite xD

[late kraken]

One observation for discussion. Since the update, on drink zones now shared by brown bears and WT, my WT zones have shifted from where they were. Not far, maybe 100-200m up or down the shoreline, but still on the same lakes. I'm adjusting my Revontuli WT-grind tripods, so not a problem to bother EW about. This is not related to the tent update because these are zones about 150-200m away from my tripods. When you grind WT, you know exactly where they always show up.

[upbeat elm]

Oh! Interesting. Checked SRP yesterday. Bears are all good now. It's so nice. 🐻

[alpine compass]

I might do some casual hunting for bears cause I can't be f*cked grinding them

[late kraken]

Casually hunting bears is great fun. I think the Spirit Brown Bear is one of the nicest furs!

[upbeat elm]

Ef grinds. I'm just going to do lev 5-8. Any female that gets in the way.

[upbeat elm]

My personal favourite. I want a super rare so bad.