Weapon Class Rework for theHunter Call of the Wild + New Ammo and Weapons

[hidden lintel]

As the title states it is not only a Weapon Class rework idea but also a suggestion for new ammo types and new weapons to fill in some potential gaps

Class 0 (Duck Icon)

• European Rabbit & Eastern Cottontails
• Hazel Grouse & Black Grouse
• Willow & Rock Ptarmigan
• Stubble and Northern Bobwhite Quail
• Cinnamon, Green-winged and Eurasian Teal
• Eurasian Wigeon
• Tufted Duck, Harlequin Duck & Goldeneye
• Mallard Duck
• Ring-necked Pheasant
  Class 1 (Hare Icon)
• European Hare, Mountain Hare & Scrub Hare
• White-tailed & Antelope Jackrabbit
• Canada, Greylag, Magpie & Tundra Bean Goose
  Class 2 (Turkey Icon)
• All Turkey subspecies
• Western Capercaillie
• New Ammo: Turkey Loads (Class 2 Birdshot)
  Class 3 (Fox Icon)
• Siberian Musk Deer
• Red & Grey Fox
• Raccoon Dog & Raccoons
• Side-striped Jackal
• Bobcat & Mexican Bobcat
  Class 4 (Roe Deer Icon)
• Coyote
• Eurasian Lynx
• Roe Deer
• Springbok
• Feral Goat
• Hog Deer
• Blackbuck
  Class 5 (Wild Boar Icon)
• White-tailed Deer
• Black-tailed & Mule Deer
• Eastern Grey Kangaroo
• Bighorn and Mouflon Sheep
• All Spanish Ibex
• Mountain Goat & Chamois
• Grey & Iberian Wolf
• Wild Boar
• Feral Pig/Wild Hog
• Warthog
• Lesser Kudu
• Axis Deer
• Javan Rusa
• Sika Deer
• Fallow Deer
• Puma/Mountain Lion
• Pronghorns
  Class 6 (Black Bear Icon)
• Caribou & Reindeer
• Black Bear
• Blue Wildebeest
• Gemsbok
• Red Deer
  Class 7 (Elk Icon)
• American Alligator
• Sambar Deer
• Rocky Mountain & Roosevelt's Elk
  Class 8 (Moose Icon)
• Moose
• Eurasian Brown Bear & Grizzly Bear
• Saltwater Crocodile
  Class 9 (Bison Icon)
• African Lion
• Plains Bison
• European Bison
• Banteng
  Class 10 (Elephant Icon)
• Water Buffalo
• Cape Buffalo

I also have a fair bit typed up for weapons but the character limit is a pain sometimes, just know the 50 Inline will be usable on Bison and Turkeys have a dedicated birdshot for them

Rifles

• The 22LR Class 0 to 2 Weapon
• The 22 Hornet would be a Class 1 to 3 Weapon
• The 22-250 covers Class 2 to 4 Species while the 223 & 243 covers Class 3 to 5 Species
• The 45 Calibre Airgun Pellets will cover Classes 1 to 4 and will recieve a new bullet to cover Classes 4 to 7
• The 7.62x54R, 30-30, 270, 6.5 all cover class 4 to 7 Species
• the 30-06, 308 and 7mm will cover Classes 4 to 8
  • The 30-06, 7mm and 308 could possibly come with a lighter weight bullet to specifically cover Class 4 animals (Mentioned by @gentle birch)
• The 303 will be a Class 5 to 8 Weapon
• the 300 will cover everything from Class 5 to 9
• The 338, 45-70 & 9.3x74R Will cover Classes 5 to 9
• The 470 will cover Classes 9 & 10
• A 375 Magnum should be added to cover Classes 6 to 10

Muzzleloaders

• The 50 Calibre Inline has recieved the 50 Calibre Conical Bullets which covers classes 6 to 9
• The other inline ammo will cover Classes 4 to 6
• The Caplock's Round Ball Covers 3 to 6 while the Minie Ball covers CLasses 4 to 8

Handguns

• The 357 covers classes 2 to 6
• The 45s cover Classes 3 to 6, though this means the ammo will need a serious buff to compensate
• the 44 Magnum & 10mm will Cover Classes 4 to 8
• The 454 will covers Classes 5 to 10

(Character Limit means the bows and shotguns will be next)

Shotguns

• Brand New Turkey Loads for all Shotguns to cover Class 2 Birds, though they can also handle Class 1 Animals too
• Regular Birdshot for most Shotguns are Classes 0 to 1, but the 410 Birdshot covers only Class 0
• New 410 Slugs covers classes 3 to 5, but is not to effective on Class 5 Animals
• A new Shotgun based on the Rossi Circuit Judge could also be added, basically a shotgun version of the Mangiafico 410/45 Colt
• Buckshot mostly covers Classes 3 to 5, but 10 Gauge Buckshot also covers Class 6 Species
• 20 Gauge Slugs covers Classes 4 to 6, 16 & 12 Gauge Slugs cover Classes 5 to 8 Species and 10 Gauge Slugs covers Class 6 to 9 Species

Bows & Crossbows

• The 300 grain arrows & bolts & 350 grain traditional arrows covers Classes 0 to 3
• the 420 grain arrows & bolts cover Classes 3 to 7
• the 540 traditional arrows covers Classes 4 to 7
• the 600 grain arrows and bolts & 700 grain traditional arrows covers Classes 7 to 9
• New arrows would be added to cover Class 10 Species

[spark trout]

Eh I feel 22-250 is a bit op for rabbits and 243 op for turkey. But overall I like it

[hidden lintel]

Just let me make those changes real quick

[spark trout]

Much better. Rabbits would hate ew otherwise xD

Also where are raccoons?

[hidden lintel]

Fixed also, they are Class 3 also

When I originally set the 243 to cover class 2 I forgotten I made Class 2 the Turkey & Capercaillie Class, though if we got birds like Kori Bustard or any of the legally huntable Swan Species they would go there too

[spark trout]

Yep this makes way more sense then what we have now in the game

[half otter]

roe deer with the .30-06? you trying to make a crater in their lungs?

7mm, .303, .308 too?

and .300???? might aswell shoot him with a tank shell

[gentle birch]

you realize they all can use very light bullets specifically designed for light think skinned game?

[hidden lintel]

I may see if I can make mention of that in the Rifles Section

[half otter]

you do realise roe deer weigh 30kg, the recommended caliber is like a .223 or a .243, .270 and over is overkill, the meat damage is immense and its just unneccessary

[gentle birch]

.30 caliber rifles have access to bullets as light as 110 grains that are designed for hunting small targets like coyotes without pelt damage. .243 rifles can use bullets weighing as little as 85 grains but they recommend using 110 grains or higher because of bullet construction.

Caliber doesn' matter half as much as matching your ammo to your target

[half otter]

there is no point in adding so many bullet variants tho, the system we have now is fine as it is, it would just overcomplicate things for newer players, I get that you want more realism but this imo isnt neccessary, its a game after all

[hidden lintel]

Would it though, Fallout New Vegas had a somewhat complicated ammo system which allowed for a fair bit more customization. Should such a system even come to Call of the Wild in some shape or form it would allow for an expansion on how one could build their loadout. Plus some hunting games cheap out and make it so shotguns only fire birdshot

[gentle birch]

I didn't say they had to add bullets, just that .30 calibers are viable for roe deer and smaller animals
They can be used ethically, they should be fine in game

[gentle birch]

Calling out Way of the Hunter here

Either way, yes, bullet weights make it more complicated but they aren't that hard to figure out. Light, Medium, and Heavy cartridges aren't difficult to understand and still offer WAY more options for you to hunt with your favorite in game rifle

[hidden lintel]

Its not the only game to do so either if I recall correctly

[gentle birch]

several cabela's games did too, kind of a shame

[hidden lintel]

Once Activision realized how much of a cash cow Call of Duty was, the Cabela's games suffered, I remember some of the much older Cabela's Games having shotguns that fired buckshot and some that fired slugs. I think Cabela's Big Game Hunter Pro Hunts also allowed different ammo types for shotguns

[half otter]

okay starting to like the idea of bullet weight, but when it comes to classes, I still think we shouldnt move around the animals from one class to another, its fine as it is, just make a lighter bullet for example 1 or 2 classes lighter than the medium weight one, and the heavier one 1 or 2 classes higher

[gentle birch]

Taking .270 as an example

Light bullets would favor 3-5 classes, medium favors 4-7, heavy favor classes 5-8. Still gives it a good range of use, adds customization, makes it easy to understand and more effective than two choices for the same range of classes

[half otter]

yeah I like that, it seems like a more realistic chance of getting added without touching the animal classes and just creating new bullets, but would that mean removing soft points and polymer tips?

[gentle birch]

yes and no. they could do it either way. add two versions of each weight, or use soft points for light bullets, polymer tipped as the medium or heavy, and the third could be a different bullet type. like Round Nose or Spire point

I run 220 grain round nose heavy bullets in my .300 for elk (i like shooting fairly close in 1-2 hundred yards)

[half otter]

yeah but isnt the whole point of soft points that they expand more and destroy the flesh and lungs more, which would be more of a problem against a smaller class animal