please bring pronghorn back to class 4

[fickle marsh]

I ain't the only one that thinks its a terrible move right? They were perfect at class 4 as irl people use 308, 30-06, 303 etc. Freaking terrible move and they need to go back.

Edit: its been months now and still imo a bad move.

[vale cipher]

@fickle marsh I plan on making a post for classes you should check it out later

[fickle marsh]

Also how the heck did mouflon stay as class 4 if pronghorn are heavier then them and moved to class 3? And how did sika stay at class 4? nothing makes sense with pronghorn moving to class 3

[empty bison]

Maybe they have a weapon overhaul coming up and this is setting up things for that. Altho, there aren't enough to make that part make sense. I just posted a thing on that #1214642131482972220 so maybe let me know if that sounds reasonable to you or this is all odd

[brazen anchor]

Not bothered, honestly.

[fickle marsh]

Wait until you use 22-250 or 243 on them

Mosin and 44mag is the only viable option now on them.
270 and 6.5 somehow got even worse today xD

[brazen anchor]

I'm loving the new 44 so that'll be interesting.

[fickle marsh]

At least there are some options. But I know alot of realistic hunters are not gonna be happy that they can't use their favorite weapons that they once used on them.

[brazen anchor]

Fair enough.

[empty bison]

what do you mean worse? how did they get worse?!

[fickle marsh]

because now they have less to kill that they worked well.

with gemsbok being class 6 and pronghorn going down to class 3, no one will use them in main loadouts ( if they ever in the past got used as main loadout weapons)

[empty bison]

I relaized that a seconds before I saw your reply, thought they had been nerfed again

[ornate oracle]

No, Class 3 makes sense. Would make a lot of sense for Blacktails too. That said, it's the rifle class minimums that need to change. They need to be switched to Class 3-8, or at least make the .270 and 6.5 Class 3-7/8 guns.

[fickle marsh]

Blacktail max at 95kgs in-game they are fine at 4. If anything mouflon should've moved to class 3

[sudden wind]

just want to show support for this post. Pronghorn being Class 3 is just weird. If they want to make them Class 3, EW should at least make the .270 and 6.5 rifles Class 3-7.

If anyone agrees with me, you should check out my new post.
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1214727456636801034

[proud plume]

I know this bit of complaining before the content is even released or you've even tried it has become a trend, but even WAIT until you see the rest of the patch notes, we don't even know what the rest of the content is coming or if the patches are changed classes covered by each rifle

[sudden wind]

we're just trying to stay ahead of the game.

[gusty crater]

We didn’t get new map info at all but we get a pronghorn in class 3 for some damn reason

[fickle marsh]

If the new weapon pack had the best class 3 to 7 coming that would Insta drop all class 3 species with double lung, I'd still be upset that pronghorn got moved to class 3 as it just doesn't make sense to real life. I don't see many people use 223 or 22-250 irl for them and so to have pronghorn in the middle class range for them just seems very off.

[proud plume]

We have not yet seen in detail the other changes and if the rifles will also have them, taking into account what JB said about this quality of life update requested by the community we can consider that the .270 and 6.5mm rifle will have a change to 3-7 and the .223 to 2-3, the .243 to 2-5, among which I remember.
If this is a rebalance, there will surely be other adjustments.

and as for using the 22-250 on them it will simply be ineffective, in the same way that .223 is ineffective for class 4 animals currently xD

[empty bison]

I seriously doubt any of this will be in the changes, it's probably going to be graphics stuff more than gameplay. It would be a real shock if they changed the classes of weapons at this point. like the .30-30 has been 2-6 for the entire life of the game and no one ever uses it for coyote sized animals in my experience. in fact my dad told me it would be a waste of good ammo when I asked once, .30-30 was always reserved for deer and feral pigs. it should be 3-7 but they still think its a varmint round because they look at ballistics, not actual use

[proud plume]

At this point in the game we have to stop comparing ballistics with real life, in the game it is just balance and follows the "regulations of use" that the developers say, it is no different from what a federal regulation or state..
If we take it to real life here in the north of Argentina, the .22 caliber would be for classes 1-5 since it is used for both small game and hunting peccaries, pumas and caimans.

[empty bison]

And? It's effective for those jobs isn't it? and you mean the .22 centerfires, like the .223 and .22H right? Same deal can be said in Alaska and Canada where the .22 Hornet is used for everything from foxes to seals. real world calibers aren't designed with hard limits in mind, there are laws in place and common sense to adhere to tho.

Some places have restrictions on caliber minimum like .240 size for deer, there's also ammo restrictions like no FMJ bullets because they simply don't kill anything well. The Hunter Classic understands this well enough and uses caliber restrictions to balance the weapons rather than making them unnecessarily weak and limp. They always have the option of reworking ammo as well, making it a three choice option to make all the weapons more versatile.

[proud plume]

I am referring to the .22lr rimfire, here it is not allowed to use centerfire, Magnum or Bolt action rifles to hunt on private lands because the law prohibits their use within 3 or 4km of a public road, and like all private lands (for practical and geographical reasons) are surrounded by public access roads, simply nobody uses them because any authority confiscates them if they see them.

[empty bison]

Taking the .270 as an example.

Light ammo would be focused on classes 3-5, meant for thin skinned light weight animals like roe deer, springbok, and smaller deer like blacktail or couse and axis deer. basing these off the 120 grain Sierra Game King bullets (which are traditional soft nose bullets with an exposed lead tip)

Medium ammo would be more of the traditional range, favoring like 4-7 classes for whitetail, mule deer, and black bear. This is based on the Barnes TSX bullet, a polymer tipped solid copper bullet in 140 grains.

Heavy ammo would be geared toward 5-8 class game, larger deer and bear as well as elk now apparently. These are based on Swift A-frame 170 grain bullets.

I don't see how this system would be hard to understand, there's overlap to make sure you can still take a variety of animals and still offer way more realism than just two bullet types with no other info or changes

[proud plume]

Each state and each country has its regulations on appropriate and permitted calibers, it is not unusual for CotW to have its own

[green wasp]

There should be three ammo types for something like that and they should all have different uses like the soft points being for smaller game, there being a middle ground ammo for smaller to medium game and a high class one

[empty bison]

That is true, but usually the restrictions are decided by research on the calibers they mean. typical use, ethics, effects on the environment. half the calibers in game feel like no thought was put into them

[green wasp]

Are bobcat and Eurasian lynx getting moved to class 2?

[empty bison]

don't think lynx are, just remember bobcats are getting moved

[green wasp]

They should be moved down in my opinion because you can kill them with the same gun that can kill a moose and crocodile
Maybe they use it in real life though I didn’t look it up

[empty bison]

Better question, do you have experience with hunting?

[proud plume]

Yes, I have been a hunter for 25 years here in North Argentina

[empty bison]

Then you know how much a difference ammunition choice makes, even within restrictions you can use different ammo to better suit the situation and game you are hunting, why should we not ask for that same option in game when we are the ones paying for it at the end of the day?

[proud plume]

I know, but they are the ones who determine the regulations within their "world", we can use any caliber to shoot down any animal, we just have to use the one allowed to obtain an "official" medal/score.
It is almost impossible for them to adjust to real ammunition measurements since they have never wanted to do so.

I think the only way to balance the IRL measurements and those allowed in the game is by adding different ammunition to each caliber, allowing the use of one with minor and major impact, reducing 1 class or increasing a class depending on the ammunition used.
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1199541046498033765

[fiery sparrow]

I certainly agree with keeping them class 4. This was the one shift that seemed odd to me.

[ornate oracle]

Guys, I regularly hunt Muleys, Whitetails, and Pronghorn IRL. There's a massive difference in body size between the latter and the two deer species. A mature whitetail buck can potentially weigh twice as much as a mature pronghorn. Mature Muley bucks can weigh three times as much in some cases. Class 3 makes sense, it's the weapon classes that don't.

[fickle marsh]

The same class as lynx and roe deer though?

[vale cipher]

How though they look so solid and bulky

[fickle marsh]

Also based on logic of size shouldn't mouflon be class 3 then? They are 60kg while pronghorn are 65kg. Now don't get me wrong I'd be all for a weapon overhaul... But putting pronghorn in class 3 where roe deer are and the fact that 308 and 7mm are used a good amount on pronghorn irl, I doubt that they would make all 4 to 8 rifles 3 to 7/8. Unless they bump most class 3 animals down to 2 like blackbuck, springbok and lynx

[ornate oracle]

A mature Pronghorn buck weighs maybe 125 pounds. Class 3 makes sense between them, the Springbok, Roe Deer, and yes Mouflon and Lynx. There are plenty of light and zippy loads for smaller game for these bigger calibers IRL. These guns either need an adjustment to the low end of their class range, or special lighter rounds that make them suitable for passing harvest check on lighter game.

[empty bison]

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[fickle marsh]

Maybe we need class .5's again like 3.5 because I just don't see them belonging in the same class as roe

[fickle marsh]

Also pronghorn ( in-game ) have the same health/toughness as all of the class 4 animals so they need to be nerfed in toughness if they want to fit them in class 3. Same goes for feral goats, chamois and hog deer.

[empty bison]

Maybe they have changed the health values, they've done it with other animals and it wasn't in the patch notes until release, maybe this is the same precedent?

[fickle marsh]

The devs put pronghorn in class 3 because they want us to tell by looking at an animal by its size that you'll be able to tell what class that animal is in...... I'm sorry devs but when I look at a pronghorn it doesn't scream class 3 and elk definitely don't scream class 7. Now mouflon look like class 3 marital yet they are class 4

[proud plume]

They have been adjusted according to the weight of the animal, Pronghorn weighs less than 70kg so grouped with others of the same weight

[fickle marsh]

Still doesn't explain mouflon being class 4

Or elk being over 1000lbs being class 7. There's just too many flaws with the logic

And its especially gonna be confusing to new players when they watch old videos of pronghorn being killed by 308, 30-06, 7mm etc

Also going by this logic lions should be class 6, Iberian wolves class 3, wild boar class 6, feral pigs class 5, gray wolves class 4, black bear class 6.

[proud plume]

I suppose the mouflon is maintained so that all Cuatro Colinas sheeps have the same caliber and according to the rifle that the map provides.
Some other animals will need adjustment like the Axis

[fickle marsh]

I really think they need to expand to 10 classes if they want to make this class system work

[empty bison]

Dude I'm confused and I've been playing for three years already

[fickle marsh]

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[hallow frigate]

I agree. At the very least, the .243 needs to bump down with them in usable classes. One of the suggestions I always had for new players was to get SRP and hunt Pronghorn with the .243 and free ammo. This was a good way to get new players a little "free" money starting out so they could upgrade to, say, the 6.5 mm without too much of a grind.

I think moving the Pronghorn back to a daytime drink time would also help, especially with new players for this very reason.

[fickle marsh]

243 is class 2 to 6...

[empty bison]

.243 doesn't need to be changed at all tho. . .

[hallow frigate]

My mistake, sorry. I'm so used to running Class 4-Class 8 rifles & ammo I forgot the .243 was Class 2-6.

[fickle marsh]

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[empty bison]

because that's pretty much all the wepaons we have

[fickle marsh]

Also why not just put whitetail and fallow in class 5? They are both 100kg max weight in this game ( bigger if its a g1) while pumas max at 105kg. Then keep everything that maxes between 65kg to 95kg in class 4 so that way whitetail are in a bigger class then pronghorn

[empty bison]

would have made too much sense. . . .

[fickle marsh]

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[haughty cipher]

revert to class 4

[haughty cipher]

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[junior scaffold]

I was hoping they would change Axis deer to class 4

[junior scaffold]

I think that’s the same for some of the other class 3 animals but I’m not 100% sure

[lunar hornet]

If they’re not moving them back then hopefully the .270 and 6.5 get moved to class 3-7 since they’re both used heavily for pronghorn and springbok irl and .270 is just an amazing pronghorn rifle irl

[fickle marsh]

Honestly that's the only thing that would save them being moved to class 3.

[haughty cipher]

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[fickle marsh]

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[proud shoal]

Oh you just wait. They're going to shill out a new DLC optinized for killing Class 3 game. Or heck maybe it was all in service of pumping up the Moradi.

[lunar hornet]

Yeah they’ll make something like a 25-06 instead of making the 270 and 6.5 class 3-6/7. “We have a diverse arsenal” yeah and only a few of those guns get used since you made some with balancing in mind and later threw that idea straight out the window.

[empty bison]

fact. Scoring 3.0 needs to happen

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[bitter phoenix]

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[haughty cipher]

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[tight fern]

Well then crocs should be class 9 by that logic

[fickle marsh]

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give the class 4 pronghorn back 🥲

[fickle marsh]

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[tight fern]

I like big bumps and i cannot lie

[fickle marsh]

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[tight fern]

Boop

[fickle marsh]

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[tight fern]

Beeeeeep pls give class 4 bak

[fickle marsh]

Bump. So close to 100

[tight fern]

WE GOT THIS!

[fickle marsh]

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So close to 100

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[gray pumice]

yeah I messed up a diamond pronghorn because of this update

[fickle marsh]

I know a few who have and it's very unfortunate. They seriously need to go back to class 4

[gray pumice]

agreed

[fickle marsh]

And someone just messed up a piebald diamond because they forgot the class changed

[tight fern]

Rip to the fallen soldier

[fickle marsh]

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[tight fern]

1 away from 100, come onnnn

[fickle marsh]

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[bold token]

1 more to hundo

[tight fern]

so close 😭😭😭

[fickle marsh]

100! 🎉

[snow jasper]

Congrats! 🎉🎉

[bold token]

Nice!

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[modest acorn]

I strongly agree

[empty bison]

It's not just pronghorn that make no sense, a bunch of animals need reclassing

[fickle marsh]

Cough cough Iberian wolf back to 5 or even go to 4, Iberian mouflon 3 or chamois up to 4, axis deer to 4, crocs to 9, elk back to 8 and brown bear 8, nilgai probably should be class 7 as their max weight is 8kgs above sambar which are class 7. There's alot that should be reevaluated. Heck mountain goats to class 5 also makes sense.

[empty bison]

Hear me out a second, how about black bears at 6? Irl folks use deer calibers on them most of the time and I personally hunt using a .30-30. My biggest bear was 503 pounds

[surreal mountain]

I don't think Crocs should be 9, mouflons are ok just as same with bears

[empty bison]

Most black bears are 400 pounds at Mac, brown bears are 800 pretty regularly

[fickle marsh]

Crocs are the 4th biggest animal in the game ( weight wise ) only behind water buffalo, plains bison and wild yak, plus I just want to be able to use the 470 on them. Now for mouflon I do like them at class 4 but if pronghorn stay at class 3 ( which hopefully they don't ) then there's 0 reason for mouflon to be class 4 as they are shorter and weigh less then pronghorn.

[fickle marsh]

While I like them at 7, it makes 0 sense that wildebeest and black bears have the exact same weight yet be class 6 on wildebeest and 7 on black bears. Same goes for wild boar being class 5 yet red and gemsbok all have the same max weight. Seriously its the inconsistency of the system that drives me crazy. ( other then lions and tigers being class 9 that makes sense because of how tough and dangerous they are )

[empty bison]

They really aren't that tough, back in Tennessee I knew some guys who lived near the Tellico bear reserve. They hunted with dogs and carried .30-30 carbines. They got bears between 250 and 400 pounds every year. Saw a lot of bears cleaned and gutted, they aren't really built too heavy inside or out

[late sinew]

I still feel like a classic adaptation of classics classes would of been a better idea, there's things out there that are used on say 240kg animals, that aren't on other animals of weight classes.

243 on red stag but not on wild boar is one real life example I see here in scotland.

I don't know exactly how they could do it I admit but this current system.... is interesting regardless

Hand picking weapons for classes I feel like would work better + a filter system based on map so you just select say "pronghorn" and it shoes you all of the ethical weapons you own that can shoot them

The current system makes for these weird scenarios where things like pronghorn got reclassed for no real good reason.

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[empty bison]

What do you think of ditching the class system?

[fickle marsh]

If done right, would love it. Like allowing 223 for turkey but not 243 and 6.5 on basically all class 3 animals and then having like 30-06 allowed for some of the bigger class 3 like axis deer and pronghorn

[empty bison]

I forgot pronghorn were 3s. Ruined a trophy last night with a .270

[nova spruce]

Personally I think having the class system become something more akin to Classics ethical weapons system would make this hame better in the long run.

[empty bison]

Tbh,vidk why they didn't just copy that system

[nova spruce]

They did (kinda) when the game first released, but everything was just wacky. Then they ditched it with the new scoring system.

[empty bison]

I think they tried to cover too many different animals with very few weapons. Things have changed enough I think it would work much better

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[empty bison]

Why not make a class list of your own?

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[fickle marsh]

please bring pronghorn back to class 4

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Dang we passed 150!

[sudden wind]

bumping this up again

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[empty bison]

I ruined a pronghorn yesterday because I forgot they were class 3 now. . .🫠

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[median echo]

Tbf, it is kinda funny to snipe one from across a plain and drop them instantly, I usually use them as a little bit of extra cash If I’m tracking a herd or a blood trail and I see one off in the distance

[fickle marsh]

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[lime rivet]

if they're gonna stay a class 3 atleast let'em fit on a medium size plaque yfm

[empty bison]

If they're staying class 3 let us use the feikin 270!

[fickle marsh]

And 6.5

[empty bison]

Forgot that thing existed

[lunar hornet]

.270 and 6.5 def need to be class 3 guns. Could probably throw the .308 into that class in terms of realism but I think it’s still more powerful than the 30-06 and 7 mag in game for some stupid reason

[fickle marsh]

I've tested it, 308 is less powerful on gemsbok then 30-06, 303 or 7mm. Gun stats on some guns just don't line up to how they actually perform. Like the mosin for example has the same stats as the 243 soft points, yet it outperforms 243 by a mile

[lunar hornet]

Ok, I remembered it being a bit op but i guess I havent tried it in a while, good to see it makes sense.

[fickle marsh]

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[empty bison]

Coyotes belong in class 3

Pronghorn belong in class 4

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[lunar hornet]

So I haven’t managed to try out the new 300 blk for myself, but it seems pretty obvious (to me)that it’s mostly meant for class 3. To me that cartridge isn’t good for anything bigger than hogs, and due to its terrible irl ballistics it would be a horrible choice for pronghorn, probably the most controversial class 3 rn. 270 and 6.5mm could easily be class 3-7 to accommodate pronghorn and should really be class 3-7 regardless, but I stand by wanting pronghorn to moved back to class 4. They are generally smaller than white tails irl but when talking about guns to hunt them with, it’s generally the same. Coyotes could benefit from being class 3 they are noticeably larger and tougher than fox and raccoons irl and in game. Whenever I get time I’m going to make a thread about a weapon/animal classification overhaul.

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[wicked ore]

Hopefully we get a class change for lots of animals in the spring update🙏

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[slim solstice]

Because of pronghorn lvl3 now we need one redundant rifle in SRP.

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Almost to 200!

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[jagged oar]

Forgot they were class 3 and shot a lvl 5 with the 308. It trolled but still

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[sour shore]

ive shot pronghorn with 308 so many times because i think its class 4 hahaha

[sour shore]

just did it again

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[lunar hornet]

I swear things like the pronghorn being class 3, whitetail antlers looking just plain wrong, and the neglect for a 375 for so long kinda makes me believe the devs don’t care about listening to the community but it’s getting ridiculous. Pronghorn at class 3 or class 3-7 .270 and 6.5mm asap

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[tepid flame]

I’m not going to lie my grandpa used a 300 on one his heart disappeared

[lunar hornet]

How’s that an issue

[tepid flame]

It’s not it’s good

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[slim solstice]

SKS 7.62x39 solved this problem. 5$ from you.

[nocturne wind]

Can’t use .270

[hoary copper]

There are 2 very simple ways to make it so we can once again use calibres like the 270 & 6.5 for Pronghorn

1: Make the Pronghorn and a handful of other species like Axis Deer Class 4 Animals

2: Make calibres like the 6.5 and 270 able to cover Class 3 Animals

[nocturne wind]

I’d like to mention, .270 is perfectly balanced to take 3’s… EW just doesn’t allow it.

[slim solstice]

It's a joke. I want 270 and 6.5 to 3-7. Or bring a pronghorn back. But devs want more money.

[fickle marsh]

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[sudden wind]

If pronghorn were still Class 4 we could hunt them for the Medium March hunt. It really would have been nice to have them as an option for that.

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[lapis yew]

For real, it was a terrible idea and IDK why they decided it's a good idea.

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[stable gull]

How are pronghorn and lynx in the same class

[sudden wind]

it really doesn't make much sense tbh

[sudden wind]

also, you really have to do some serious mental gymnastics to try to justify having the .270 or 6.5 be unethical calibers for Pronghorn. My dad shot a Pronghorn with a 6.5 a couple years ago in Wyoming and it worked perfectly fine, there was barely any damage to the meat and it went down quickly, a very clean kill by any reasonable standard. I assume that a .270 would do basically the same thing. My uncle has also shot them with a .30-06, which you may think is a tad bit overkill, but with such a fast animal you really do want to get them down quickly if it's possible, so a bigger caliber is preferable.

Either the .270 and 6.5 should be bumped down to a 3-7 class range, or Pronghorn desperately need to be changed back to Class 4. Or you could just do both of those things, which would make the most sense to me, since many other Class 3 animals like Axis Deer and Chamois would also be huntable with calibers like the .270 or 6.5 in real life.

[nocturne wind]

I just want a 3-8 bolt action and .270 has more than proved itself capable on everything 3-8 irl.

The 6.5 would make a fine 3-7 though.

[sudden wind]

3-8 for .270 would be fine as well. Personally I wouldn't trust it to kill something like a moose or grizzly bear, but some other people might be willing to take that chance.

[fickle marsh]

Thing about class 8 though is it’s grizzly bear ( which most people wouldn’t use 270 on ) crocodile ( which most people wouldn’t use 270 on ) and moose ( which most people wouldn’t use 270 on ).

Since elk and gemsbok got moved to class 6 and 7 having 270 as a 3 to 7 would be fine

[nocturne wind]

Many of Australia’s golden age croc hunters used .270 to my knowledge so there’s no real reason it shouldn’t be at bare minimum an option.

[fickle marsh]

Just like how people use to use 30-06 on Cape buffalo

[nocturne wind]

Except .270 was genuinely effective.

[fickle marsh]

Well anything is when you aim for the brain xD. I mean there’s people that use 270 on bison and just brain shot them.

[nocturne wind]

Brain shots are standard practice for modern day bison hunting (particularly for rifle)

Akin to how you brain shot alligators, bison have a special spot if I’m remembering correctly) so it’s really not that outrageous.

[fickle marsh]

Yeah except for this game doesn’t allow ( use to, man I miss brain shooting buffalo ) and I doubt the devs would change that

Except on crocodiles and alligators so I guess 270 would be fine since brain shots are allowed

[nocturne wind]

There’s always chance for change.

[fickle marsh]

Say that to 6.5 xD

[sudden wind]

tbh I just want to be able to use the .308 Olsson bolt action for Pronghorn, because it's probably my favorite Class 4-8 rifle and not being able to use it for Pronghorn annoys me to no end. It makes me actively want to avoid hunting Pronghorn because the .308 feels like the perfect rifle to use for them.

[nocturne wind]

Same. But it annoys me even more that I can’t hunt chamois with it.

[sudden wind]

yeah I can also relate to that. Tbh I think if we really want to discuss class changes for animals more in-depth, then Chamois, Axis Deer, Hog Deer and Feral Goats should all be Class 4, Coyotes should be resized and changed to Class 3, Mountain Goats ought to be moved up to Class 5, and both types of wolves should be Class 5 again (maybe Class 4 in the case of the Iberian Wolf actually). There's other changes you could make like making Nilgai and Gemsbok Class 7, but that wouldn't even be necessary imo if they would just change the .300 Magnum to be class 6-9.

In conclusion, there's a whole lot of changes that should be made to make the weapon class system make more sense. But moving Pronghorn back to Class 4 would definitely be a good place to start.

[sudden wind]

we should at least be able to use the 6.5 and .270 for Pronghorn, it actually makes zero sense that we can't currently

[devout sable]

I hunt pronghorn IRL, I'm afraid I'm against this because they are smaller than whitetail. I can use smaller calibers for pronghorn vs whitetail where I live

[nocturne wind]

I really don’t know what to think about the current lynxes class most people just use .223 and .17HMR on them.

And in a perfect world .300 would be 5-8.

[fickle marsh]

Problem is there's only 3 rifles that are actually useful on them in the game, 44mag short range, 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r. 243 is meh on them and as for the other class 3 weapons they just suck on anything bigger then class 2. And other than the gandhare rifle, rifle classes never change. So the only way to get 308, 6.5, 270 etc to work on them is moving them back to class 4. I would be ok with them being class 3 if those 3 rifles worked on them but they don't and e.w rarely touch guns. Also pronghorn use to be class 4 from release in 2020 to march 2024, that drastic changed caused so many people to mess up trophy pronghorn and so it was just dumb to move them in the first place.

[nocturne wind]

There’s a whole lot of overlap between pronghorn calibers and whitetail calibers.

.308 and 6.5 are #1 and #2 pronghorn calibers and yet we can’t use them on pronghorn

[fickle marsh]

Also range is a factor so depending on the distance you might want something with a little more power

[devout sable]

.308 is a little overkill for pronghorn. Not needed even for range. Pronghorn weigh less than whitetail, even the small whitetail here in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I don't know why there are hunters thinking they need that much power to kill one. We used .243, 22-250, and occasionally .270 and some in between. Range doesn't have to be a factor, the closest I've shot one was 30 yards and rarely would I need to shoot one beyond 200 yards. But if that's the popular thing do use lately....🤷‍♂️

They need to change the ballistics on the class 3 ammo, not the animal

[fickle marsh]

Still doesn’t change the fact that you can ethically kill them with 7mm, 308 or 30-06. Even if it is slightly overkill

Though 243, 270 and 25-06 seem to be the top choices

[fickle marsh]

Also doesn't change the fact that they are in the same class as peccary, springbok, blackbuck, roe deer and lynx. Honestly we need another class because class 3 is basically half class 3 and half class 4. Seriously why do most class 3 animals have class 4 toughness? Also mouflon are still class 4 yet are smaller then pronghorn and chamois.

[nocturne wind]

So you believe pronghorn and LYNX should be in the same class?

[devout sable]

I can't speak for lynx, never seen nor hunted them. I've only seen them in pictures and know they are definitely bigger than a bobcat. Pronghorn are on average maybe around 100 lbs. I'm giving you the facts on my real life experience with pronghorn. They need to be smaller than a whitetail for sure. I can sit here all day and nitpick every species you bring up to compare with pronghorn, but they have to be smaller than a whitetail, that's my point. And as far as the guns, each is to their own but seeing the outcome of someone shooting a pronghorn with a 7mm is ridiculous (I have seen it). Happy hunting.

[hoary copper]

Eurasian Lynx are the largest lynx species in the world, the Canada Lynx on the other hand is similar in size to a bobcat, it just has longer legs and bigger paws

[slim solstice]

The power of 270 in the game very reduced compare with the real hunt.

[slim solstice]

I stopped hunt of pronghorn after a class change. 7.62x39 is good but the taste is gone.

[fickle marsh]

I mean whitetail could go to class 5

[sudden wind]

I don't doubt that you could kill a Pronghorn with a .243 or 22-250 in real life. The thing is, if they move Pronghorn back up to Class 4, you'd still be able to shoot them in-game with a .243 or 22-250 in the game, because the .243 is a Class 2-6 weapon and the 22-250 in the game is also ethical up to Class 4.

So really, the fact that you can take Pronghorn reliably with a .243 or 22-250 in real life at less than 200 yards (many people take much longer shots than that in-game) is no good reason that they should stay at Class 3. At Class 4, we could still hunt them with those calibers, while also being able to hunt them with calibers like 6.5 (what my dad shot his Pronghorn with) and bigger ones like .30-06 (which is what my uncle has used when he isn't bowhunting them)

[devout sable]

My neighbor/friend has killed them with his 22-250, nice clean kill. Again my point is they can't be the same class as whitetail, but as a lot of people count this as more game than simulation then I'm outspoken and bow out, but still have my opinion 👍

[sudden wind]

and my point was that you could still shoot them with a 22-250 in the game if they were Class 4, so that's not a good argument. Also, saying that they can't be the same class as whitetail is just ridiculous. Plenty of the people who hunt Pronghorn IRL use the exact same weapons they use for Whitetail, and it doesn't make a huge difference really because the size difference isn't that big. That's why I gave the IRL examples of my dad and uncle using a 6.5 and 30-06 respectively for Pronghorn. If either of them were hunting Whitetails in the same terrain, they could probably use that same rifle each, and make a similarly lethal shot.

Again, I don't doubt that you could get a clean kill on a Pronghorn with a 22-250, but theoretically the same could be done with a Whitetail at close range with good shot placement. Just because you can do it, that doesn't mean that a larger caliber would be automatically unethical to use for them.

[hoary copper]

You forget that the 22-250 in this game can cover up to Class 5 species

The Pronghorn being brought back to Class 4 will not change the fact that the 22-250 will still be able to take them down in game

[slim solstice]

When I first saw a feral goat, axis, chamois, black buck, idk how to kill them rapidly. The game didn't give anything for it. 243, 30-30, 223, 22-250 are the not enough, Solokhin has only SP. The most strange class. Only after 8 years the devs given us 7.62x39.

[fickle marsh]

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[fickle marsh]

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bumping this back up

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[lunar hornet]

I know a lot that have used the .22-250 on whitetail and got quick kills with good bullets and shot placement, similar to a 243 when loaded with the right bullet. Pronghorn usually are hunted with anything you’d hunt whitetail with. .270 and 6.5 definitely would be better being 3-7 over class 4 pronghorn given that other class 3 critters usually are hunted with those 2 rifles.

[lunar hornet]

They usually are shot in the head/neck due to how large the target is and the fact that they’re big herd animals, and hunted on high fence farms a lot. Crocs usually can only be anchored by a brain hit so they don’t go into the water (most of us found that out in game). For bison and really all species I’m all for removing the no headshot requirement and probably upping the shots allowed to 3 possibly 4 for one other reason, aggressive animals. Lost a few good cape buff because I brain shot them and stopped the charge but got a lower for it. Maybe being a long time classic player made me think this way since all you need to do is use the permitted weapon and ammo, no requirement to hit it less than x times or don’t hit this part and make sure to hit this.

[sudden wind]

bump

[fickle marsh]

Bump

[fickle marsh]

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[chrome skiff]

They should get rid of class requirements altogether. If you get a trophy it shouldn't be valued less because you used a bigger or smaller gun. Would make it more fun I'd think to hunt animals with a lower class gun so you actually have to track them.

[fickle marsh]

Bump

[nocturne wind]

Wouldn’t be very fun for the animal.

[wicked ore]

Hell nah... You should 100% get penalized for using the wrong gun

[chrome skiff]

I mean I use a 300 on whitetail IRL

[nocturne wind]

If I had to guess you are running 150’s rather than 195/200’s…

Because there’s a massive difference

[chrome skiff]

Yea I use the American Whitetail 300 winmag 150g

[nocturne wind]

That’s why.

150’s are perfectly fine for whitetail but like 180+ is really pushing overkill territory. I think EW originally based the .300 on heavier loadings. That said, the .300 Canning should really be 5-8.

[sudden wind]

yeah 5-8 would probably make the most sense realistically, although that would make it significantly less useful if you're not able to take Class 9 animals with it

[chrome skiff]

Either way though the trophy on an antlered deer shouldn't be messed up unless you shoot it in the head damaging the "trophy" part of the animal

[sudden wind]

personally I'd prefer to have the .300 be a Class 5-9 ammo, the same as the 9.3x74R that the drilling rifle shoots, but that's just my opinion

[chrome skiff]

Id rather use the weapons I like or have IRL than something the game forces

[nocturne wind]

It would make the .375, .470, 9.3 more valuable.

[sudden wind]

sure, I suppose it's just a trade-off really

[nocturne wind]

My thing with that is 9.3 has the reputation for class 9 whereas .300 is kind of just the next step up from 30-06.

[sudden wind]

yeah I understand what you're saying, but I think there would be a lot of backlash if the .300 suddenly can't take stuff like Bison anymore

unless Bison get moved down to Class 8, but I think they're a bit big for that

[nocturne wind]

Bison shouldn’t even be in class 9. They aren’t known for being particularly tough like cape buffalo or banteng. Most hunters put them on par with moose.

But I know the large majority of the community won’t agree and that’s ok.

Class 8 would be perfect imo.

[sudden wind]

bumping this one back up again

[fickle marsh]

Bump

[wicked ore]

I really hope they change the class back with this new update, assuming they add them to the map

[pale yew]

I'm not expecting pronghorn on Alberta but I'm really trying to get Wyoming noticed for US Western hunting with horses. I know ppl are tired of the US but I really want our Western Game badly with the immersion & atmosphere to go with it. If Alberta does the Rockies justice, I have high hopes EW can pull off an incredible experience for players in my concept.

After we get Wyoming or a true Western Frontier location with our missing game I'm satisfied with the US locations minus the Arctic. We still need South America & Africa locations. So I'm not expecting my location soon by any means, but....it would be a bonus to get horses & late 1800's weapons prior. The new 30-30 is a great start if they did it justice as a 3-7 with the new ammo options.

[shut maple]

I think a horse DLC would be fine by itself

[sudden wind]

hopefully this change will come with the new map, it looks like reworked the Pronghorn model so hopefully they moved them back up to Class 4

[fickle marsh]

Come on e.w please they suck as class 3

[stable gull]

They are still class 3 in the video they just released...

[nocturne wind]

Pronghorn taken with a .300WM, Colorado

Also .300WM, Wyoming

[sudden wind]

not going to lie, I'm pretty annoyed about that

[sudden wind]

I guess we just have to keep this thread active and hope that EW will eventually listen

[stable gull]

Narrator: they didn't.

[sudden wind]

I'm not gonna shut up about this until they actually change it, if EW wants us to stop beating the drum on this issue then they're gonna have to at least change the .270 and 6.5 to be able to take Class 3 ethically. Until they either do that or Pronghorn go back to Class 4, this thread isn't just gonna fade away into obscurity, not if I have anything to say about it lol

[chrome skiff]

This is why I wish we could just hunt with whatever weapon we want.

Don't gotta wait for them to change something just hunt with whatever gun you feel like

[normal juniper]

Remastered + Truracs for the Pronghorn

[fickle marsh]

Still class 3 though as we saw from the video they posted yesterday

[worn finch]

Pronghorn still being class 3 is just so lame

[fickle marsh]

Bump

[sudden wind]

bump

[lunar hornet]

It's either move pronghorn to class 4 again, or make the 270 and 6.5 go down to class 3 since they are excellent choices irl for pronghorn and other class 3 game.

[slim solstice]

Because of pronghorn I carry of extra rifle in SRP and Rancho. It annoys.

[lapis yew]

On SRP it’s annoying, but on Rancho it’s fine since we have Javelinas and Bobcat that you need to shoot with a similar gun. .300 blackout or 1894 work super good against Rancho, just some weapon suggestions.

[slim solstice]

300 blackout is unethical for bobcat and coyote in the game. I prefer 223 but it very weak for pronghorn.

[lapis yew]

The use 1894,it has good accuracy and can take everything on the map except Coyote and Bobcat

[slim solstice]

ok. but I don't use Moradi out of principal. Because this bullet nothing to do with real.

[lapis yew]

Technically it’s not a big problem on any map, but it wasn’t a smart change. We have 3-8 weapons and 2-6 weapons that’s powerful enough for a lot of other species on Pronghorn maps. And also that’s just your problem tbh if you don’t like the 1894. This class change wouldn’t be a big problem if they just change the 6.5 and the .270 to classes 3-7.

[sudden wind]

I think if they're gonna keep Pronghorn at Class 3 (which makes me cringe, but whatever) then they might as well move Mouflon and Sika Deer down to Class 3 as well because they're about the same size as Pronghorn. Then move the .270 and 6.5 down to Class 3-7, and then you've at least got some consistency in terms of the Class system and the .270 and 6.5 are actually useful weapons again.

But I'd still prefer moving the Pronghorn back up to Class 4. They were perfectly fine at Class 4 and there was no need to change them in the first place.

[shut maple]

I agree that the pronghorn should rly be class 4 as making it class 3 messes with the fact that so many other animals on its maps are class 4

[sudden wind]

🥁

[slim solstice]

🎺

[sudden wind]

bump again

[old ivy]

YESSS OMGGG

[nova spruce]

Pronghorn are tough buggers irl, let’s bump this up

[old ivy]

Pronghorn are about the same as whitetail, if not more tough

[marsh sandal]

PRONGHORN CLASS 4

[sudden wind]

pronghorn definitely should be Class 4, most weapons that are currently allowed for Class 3 really struggle to take them down quickly.

[fickle marsh]

Bump

[sudden wind]

bumping this up again

[slim solstice]

Make pronghorn lvl 4 again

[sudden wind]

bumping this back up

[marsh sandal]

I bump

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bumping this back up again

[marsh sandal]

Bump

[old ivy]

Bump

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bump

[old ivy]

Bump

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[sudden wind]

bumping this back up again

[hoary copper]

bumping this back

[old ivy]

Bump

[stable gull]

Duuude

[sour shore]

[old ivy]

XD

[sudden wind]

bumping this back up again

[sudden wind]

bump again

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bump

[old ivy]

Bump

[old ivy]

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[sudden wind]

bump for a more logical pronghorn class

[old ivy]

Bump

[sudden wind]

almost 250 upvotes, EW please reclass the pronghorn

[sour shore]

and add landmines

[acoustic folio]

What sucks most is having to equip an entire rifle for Silver ridge peaks just to cover the class for the pronghorn if you want to use regular rifles. Otherwise it’s the moradi, 243 or 7.62 on it’s own and i don’t want to use those all the time on that map

[acoustic folio]

It covers 2-4

[sudden wind]

yeah that's one of the most annoying aspects of it

[hoary copper]

The point I was making regarding how bringing the pronghorn back to Class 4 will still allow for the 22-250 to be used on them still stands despite my mix-up on weapon classes of the 22-250

[acoustic folio]

Alr

[fickle marsh]

Now we have the 257 and it’s amazing on them and sks. But I still want them to go back to class 4 or at least 6.5 and 270 to be class 3 to 7

[sudden wind]

completely agree

[sudden wind]

The 6.5 and .270 are some of the first calibers that pop up when you search for the best Pronghorn hunting calibers. It doesn't make any sense that we can't use them to hunt Pronghorn in COTW

[ornate oracle]

I would prefer this. Same with the .308 and .30-06.

[sudden wind]

This article even mentions the 7mm Remington Magnum as an ideal caliber for hunting them:
https://www.petersenshunting.com/editorial/top-five-cartridges-for-pronghorn-antelope/463402

[ornate oracle]

New .257 fixes that problem. It's honestly a great Mule Deer and Bighorn gun. Haven't tried it yet on Mt. Goats, but I'm assuming it works just fine. Heck, it does the job on Black Bear and cow Elk, too. As good as a .30-06 on a reasonably ranged Moose. Honestly should be a 3-7 gun. But yeah, .257 and a 7mm or .300 would have you set on SRP with the Giddings .410 all you need for Turkeys.

[sudden wind]

furthermore, it's also quite common for hunters with only one big game rifle to hunt pronghorn with the same calibers that they use for elk. So by that logic we should at least be able to use .308, .30-06 etc. for them, making Class 4 the most reasonable class to put them in. Especially when we consider the fact that Mouflon and Sika Deer are also in Class 4 and they're similar in size to a Pronghorn in the game.

[acoustic folio]

True but it isn’t what we want truly

[ornate oracle]

Lol To be fair, I'd rather have lower/higher class ammo options for all our rifles, and Mouflon/Sika re-classed to class 3. I'm fine with Pronghorn as class 3, but there should be "managed recoil" rounds for at least the .270, .308, and .30-06, maybe the .300 too.

[acoustic folio]

Yeah true, btw gotta thank you for that Yukon idea, i’m real excited to try it now, gonna go 22 mag and little badger, gonna be great i believe. Gonna make it like a campers loadout bring some tents and blinds with me cuz why not yk

[ornate oracle]

Awesome! Let me know how it goes!! It's a shame there aren't any Snowshoe Hare or Ptarmies on there. 😭

[acoustic folio]

It’d be the backfill of the century man, the map doesn’t even need anything more when that’s done, i say when because i believe it will happen, and yeah i’ll keep you updated

[acoustic folio]

Update on surviving in Alaska: Brianshotted two glitched grizzly bears and spooked a harlequin duck flock with an albino female, so now i’m in a layout blind with decoys waiting for that flock to pass by, it’s been pretty fun so far, i don’t have a dog with me either so gameplay is really different

[ornate oracle]

Awesome!

[acoustic folio]

I got the duck, have yet to get attacked by wolves though

[sudden wind]

This article is about the best calibers for hunting Pronghorn and the author mentions using .270 and .30-06 along with .50 caliber muzzleloaders, and also suggests the .308 and 6.5 as good options for hunting them.

https://sportingclassicsdaily.com/whats-a-good-pronghorn-cartridge/