.300 WM 6-9

[gusty idol]

With the announcement of the beautiful tactical .300 WM, I’ve seen a lot of people begging EW to move red deer to class 7 when that isn’t needed at all. .300 WM is a very popular Red Deer cartridge ( alongside all of the animals in class 6).

[quasi girder]

I wish this would happen quick

[gusty idol]

Weird that it was like this from the start.

[quasi girder]

Considering how common its reccomended for mule deer Idk why they chose 7-9, could have easily been 4-9

[nimble citrus]

I wholeheartedly agree that red deer to class 7 doesn’t make sense. I really hope that red deer isn’t one of the animals that gets a class change. This would be a much better way of getting to use the .300 on them!

[quasi girder]

.300 could use a third ammo type for 4-8. you could base it on a Sierra GameKing bullet, Hollow Base Soft Point

[gusty idol]

To be honest, we have enough 4-8’s, might as well give them some spotlight.

[golden swallow]

Even if 300 got moved to class 6, it wouldn't work on mule deer as jaxy confirmed 2 species moving classes. Bobcats from 3 to 2 and mule deer from 6 to 5

[torpid schooner]

5-8 would be a better class for the 300 and 338 if we had another true big bore like a .375 or .416 and bison being moved to class 8. The reason why is because it is illegal (in most cases) to take dangerous African game with anything small than a .375 h&h

[gusty idol]

Hence why class 10 should be created.

Class 9 itself has a bison as the icon.

[torpid schooner]

Class 10 would be good but lion and cape buff would have to be moved up

[merry dove]

they should just make the .375 a class 9 and 10

[quasi girder]

didn't hear that, makes good sense tho. oh well

[quasi girder]

Oh that's still 100% true, we have way too many (most of them could easily fit other classes way better too). But I like the Hudzik's plan of two ammo types covering different classes

[gusty idol]

7-10, if leopards ever get added I’m betting 1,000$ that they will be in 7.

[torpid schooner]

I have an idea that wouldn’t require an additional class 10, it’s called completely rework class 7. Class 7 is reserved for bears and it’s just dumb to class a 150 lb black bear with a full grown grizz or brown bear.

[quasi girder]

150 lbs is a small black bear, even for my old hunting area in TN, usually they run between 300-700 pounds but coastal bears can get a little bigger

[gusty idol]

Class 10 just sounds way better and Black Bears don’t even have to be in Class 7.

[torpid schooner]

Yeah black bear could be a class 5/6, move gemsbok and red deer to class 7, moose and bison to class 8 and finally the dangerous game to class 9

[quasi girder]

I don't mind class 7 for black bears, but it just doesn't fit brown/grizzlies

[gusty idol]

I still don’t understand Red Deer in Class 7.

[torpid schooner]

I guess they are pretty similar to caribou but at the same time pretty close to elk

[gusty idol]

Brown/Grizzlies bears should be in 8 and whenever we get polar bears, Class 9.

[quasi girder]

Same, I'd be fine with wolves and cougars in class seven, caribou and reds in 6, and mule deer in 5 sounds good

[torpid schooner]

Idk about the wolves and cougars, maybe keep them where they are or bump em to class 6 and wild boar to class 5. I guess reds could stay at 6. Polar bear definitely at class 9

[quasi girder]

I mean, light/thin skinned predators could be a class all their own

[quasi girder]

Leopards would be class 7 right? The .300 would be perfect for them and I've seen extremely knowlegdeable and experienced hunters use .30 calibers on them very well

[gusty idol]

Yes, while the minimum is typically .375, I too have heard experienced hunters use .30-06 and alike, I think Class 7 makes more sense than say class 4, 5, etc.

[quasi girder]

Guess it depends on the area you hunt what minimums are required

[stoic hull]

For sure. Honestly, Black Bears should stay 7, Alligators should be bumped up to at least 7, Grizz/Brown Bears should be 8, and Salties should be at least 8 if not 9. They're the biggest crocodilians on the planet, make them big, tough, and dangerous.

Hypothetical future species- Leopards (at least African Leopards) would have to be Class 7 at minimum, Tigers and Polar Bears 9, and Jaguars at least 8.

[quasi girder]

I seriously doubt jaguars and tigers will ever make it into the game, however I do agree with leopards being class 7.

[torpid schooner]

I’m just not sold on class 7 for leopard since they are generally considered dangerous game, class 8 or 9 would make more sense going off of real world laws. Yes they’ve been taken with smaller guns but usually that’s in a game farm that is exempt from law.

[gusty idol]

Since they are normally taken with a .375 it could come with a 7-10 class range and make perfect sense.

[quasi girder]

they put grizzlies in the same class as black bear, they aren't gonna change that much and we should hope they don't lump them in with cougars

[torpid schooner]

Yeah there really needs to be a total class overhaul for everything

[golden swallow]

Bump

[quasi girder]

welp, grizzlies are now class 8, which gives me hope that they can change

On the other hand, brown bears (which are grizzles with an uncool name) are still class 7 apparently

can't ever be sure if i'm happy or disappointed with this game

[solemn glen]

Classes are based of weight now (I think) so that’s why the grizzly went up and Brown stayed the same.

[gusty idol]

Eurasian Brown Bears and Grizzlies weigh right around the same weight. Grizzlies at about 1500, and Brown Bears at about 1070.

[solemn glen]

200kg in game is a big difference

[gusty idol]

Not that much of a difference, especially when it comes to bears…

[quasi girder]

Go look at a Kodiak brown bear and tell me that ain't class 8

[solemn glen]

Well like do you mean the difference on how it reacts when you shoot it or like the difference on the actual weight that it shows on the harvest screen.

[solemn glen]

If they were in the game i would say maybe even class 9 probably 8 though

[quasi girder]

They won't change anything about the reaction to being shot its too much work, but considering the size difference and the fact that it the same species they should have changed its class as well

[solemn glen]

I know, grizzly in game is larger size than moose (class 8) and Eurasian brown bear is right around the same size as Rocky Mountain elk (now class 7) so it makes sense that the grizzly moved up and brown bear stayed.

[gusty idol]

Rocky Mountain Elk shouldn’t even have moved.

[quasi girder]

Keep in mind that Grizzlies were named because of a gray coloration and the fact that the people who named them were Americans from the colonies who had never seen eurasian brown bears despite the similarity. Coastal brown bears can be 400 pounds heavier and the Kodiak brown bear usually weighs between 1000 and 1200 pounds as an average

[solemn glen]

Yeah….also the Eurasian brown bear is super shy compared to grizzly bear

[quasi girder]

They were heavily hunted, like wolves, for "safety reasons" in Europe, bears in America were respected by the Native American tribes and hunting was extremely rare and usually required a big group. Not much different in the hunting methods between them, but flintlocks made hunting much easier for the Europeans.

[tepid umbra]

Is the 300 ethical for wolves? I think no, maybe I am wrong tho ... I can't see it being turned to class 6-9

[quasi girder]

It is now

[solemn glen]

Bears are extinct where I am from but I have seen a brown bear once in Sweden and once it noticed that we were there it dashed away

[tepid umbra]

How about the future class 6 animals they'll add on all new maps, they gotta think about that too ... I don't think they're gonna move 300 to 6-9

[quasi girder]

they usually do, any animal will but bears are more likely to attack if you surprise them/come near their food/ they think you are food/ or if they are having a bad day

[solemn glen]

Yeah from what I have heard the barren ground grizzly in NA are know for being very aggressive so that’s what lead be to believe that the Eurasian brown bear are more shy and timid than grizzly’s

[quasi girder]

I sincerely hope that they are setting us up for a big rework with class changes all around because this makes absolutely no sense at all

[solemn glen]

I personally really dislike the pronghorn class change but I don’t mind everything else

[quasi girder]

The pronghorn change is like the elk change, I don't get it. Love that grizzlies are class 8, hate that brown bears apparently aren't

I don't know how to feel about this update at all, and changing the .300 to 6-9 would just make it more useful

[solemn glen]

6-9 .300 would be soooooo nice but unlikely to happen.

[gusty idol]

.300 should be perfectly fine for wolves.

[quasi girder]

Honestly the .300 could be another 4-9 and not be out of place, people irl use it for anything that moves, but 6-9 would make it way more useful for the sake of the game

[gusty idol]

Care to explain???

[twin peak]

It’s all hill country where I’m at, so seeing an experienced hunter take a shot at a Buck from one ridge to another with a backstop behind his game is not taboo with a .300 Win. Mag. at all.

[gusty idol]

100% this would make vurhonga 10000x better because the .300 is common place on a wildebeest hunt.

[solemn glen]

It would probably obliterate every class 6 animal in an instant wherever you hit it because it’s so powerful

[twin peak]

My biggest worry with a wildebeest is getting that game field-dressed and mobile before the last bit of light crests and disappears. 😆

[twin peak]

If the goal is an ethical or “Quick Kill” mission accomplished. So what if you lose a nominal amount of shoulder roast.

[gusty idol]

That’s… kinda what you’d hope for when you’re hunting… energy transfer.

[gusty idol]

Just like how .308 obliterates whitetail, pronghorn, mule deer, pretty much everything in its class range???

[solemn glen]

Yeah I guess that’s true but they tend to not go for that in the game or else the .300 could be used on anything

[gusty idol]

Or the .44 lever action.

Or the 7mm bolt action.

Or the .243 R Cuomo.

[quasi girder]

Making them all effective within a broader limit would just give personal choice a little more enjoyment

[gusty idol]

That’s kinda what .300 WM was made for. This isn’t cod there’s no need for game balancing

[quasi girder]

Are class 6 animals not too big for the .243? Like, if i had any other option I wouldn't use the .243 for a wildebeest

[twin peak]

Irl, the biggest factors that influence most hunter’s caliber selections other than the desired animal requirements, your experience, and local laws is price of ammunition and what firearms you can afford or have access to.

Knowing how a particular caliber and cartridge behaves may be a crucial part of your homework.

[quasi girder]

True.

Since I've moved to Wyoming there have been like fifty people (mostly at stores) telling me I need to use a higher caliber rifle than my .30-30 on the deer here because they are closer to 2-300 pounds than the scrawny things I was used to. but I really haven't had a major reason to do it. I took a mule deer last season at 160 yards and it didn't go any farther than the bucks at home did. I use hand loaded ammo but it's the same stuff I worked on for whitetails. Ammo makes a much bigger difference than caliber does, that and practice.

(If you didn't know, both the .300 Winchester Magnum and .30-30 Winchester use the same size bullet, both are .30 caliber)

[gusty idol]

Now that I think about it (I posted it on the site of chaos and tragedy… Reddit the flood of game balancing warriors have arrived) it doesn’t even need to be the same bullet similar to the muzzleloader.

[quasi girder]

This is also true, I suggested 3 types per cartridge but its very general #1214926631953629215

[twin peak]

To me the .30-30 really shines when I’m negotiating areas that are less than accessible (brushy,) but the caliber is versatile too.

If your rifle is designed to handle the pressure and is still accurate you can get loads in the 170 grain if you’re worried about say, a neck shot on a black bear with the 150gr Core-Loc cartridges.

Technology has really proven to breathe new life into a lot of old rifle calibers.

[quasi girder]

I have some bullet molds from Lee and Handload it, the 170 grain RNFPs have yet to fail. Black bears don't go too far and its taken a good share of pigs and deer too

[gusty idol]

Interesting the people of Reddit are…

[quasi girder]

I hope you downvoted or whatever the reddit equivalent is, comparing apples to car tires

[gusty idol]

As soon as I saw the edit he made (at first it was just the “Is a .300 in a 6 class range? It’s 7-9”.

[quasi girder]

Like, stupid is one thing, but that is negative braincells