Layton Lakes 2.0

[rancid oracle]

I'm a big fan of cotw and Layton Lakes but it's not the best map located in the Pacific Northwest so I'm making a map Idea that's somewhat similar in terms of species and location but there will be differences. this is an idea for what Layton Lakes could've been like or another map in the same area. If you have feedback or ideas let me know if you're going to be negative keep it to yourself.

Also this is a list of species that are hunted in the US state of Washington this isn't the official list it may be later on but the list may be too large so it'll need down sizing to fit. It could also Possibly be a BC map Idea excluding some Species that can be found in British Columbia.

Class 1 Species

Duck Species

Mallard
Greenwing teal
Northern Pintail
American Wigeon
Lesser Scaup
Ring-necked Duck
Canvasback Duck
Red Head Duck
Gadwall Duck
Northern Shoveler
Bufflehead Duck
Wood Duck
Ruddy Duck
Surf Scoter
White Winged Scoter
Black Scoter
Common Goldeneye
Barrow's Goldeneye
Long-Tailed Duck

Geese Species

Canada Goose
White Fronted Goose
Snow Goose
Ross's Goose

Lagomorph Species

Eastern Cottontail Rabbit
Snowshoe Hare

Pheasant Species

Ring-Necked Pheasant

Quail Species

Mountain Quail
Northern Bobwhite Quail
California Quail

Grouse Species

Dusky Grouse
Sooty Grouse
Ruffed Grouse

Turkey subspecies ( Rio Grande and Eastern Turkey were introduced to Washington )

Merriams Turkey

Class 2 Species

Coyote ( Northwest Coast Coyotes and Mountain Coyote subspecies inhabit Washington )
Red Fox ( Cascade Red Fox subspecies )

Class 3 Species

Bobcat

Class 4 Species

Blacktail Deer ( Columbian Blacktail Deer )
Whitetail Deer ( Northwestern Whitetail Deer )
Mountain Goat
Bighorn Sheep ( Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep )

Class 5 Species

Mountain Lion

Class 6 Species

Mule Deer ( Rocky Mountain Mule Deer )

Class 7 Species

American Black Bear ( Olympic Black Bear )

Class 8 Species

Rocky Mountain Elk
Roosevelt Elk
Moose ( Shiras Moose )

[rancid matrix]

Another american map, the species list do's not really offer anything new. Suggestion is comparable to New England.

A lot of players have voiced their dissatisfaction with New England's lack of new species, I think this meet the same type of reception.

[rancid oracle]

It's a idea big deal if you don't like it don't read it what do you mean by no new species there's literally 26 new species

[rancid matrix]

You don’t need to get defensive, this is a feedback channel, expect feedback in all its forms.

[rancid oracle]

I wasn't getting defensive I just said if you don't like it then don't read it plus there is also 26 new species

If you think I was being defensive you are incorrect I agree that I want a break from North America but this was simply an idea for a Layton Lakes 2.0 if you don't like it that's fine

Just stating my opinion and idea that's all

[rancid matrix]

Well you were, as before you decided to edit your response and remove said defensiveness you said don’t like it don’t read it.

Likewise I was also stating my opinion…

[rancid oracle]

How is that being defensive Its a solution

[rancid matrix]

Right…

Maybe double read what you write and think about how it’s interpreted by others

Comments like that do not encourage constructive discussion

[rancid oracle]

OK the first bit I see no problem I guess on the second bit it was but I mean did you read the list because there is alot of new species

[rancid matrix]

Yes but mainly birds

We have a ton of maps with moose, whitetail etc already. The next America map in my opinion would be better suited in Florida or the Deep South to add some much needed variety

[rancid oracle]

There's not really any new species that I could add cause I mean Layton Lakes covered big game but this is just a idea of what Layton could be like in the future or if cotw decided to I don't know how to explain it but to replace Layton Lakes in a way this is a proposal

[rancid matrix]

Gotcha

[rancid oracle]

I only wanted to make ideas I've been feeling pretty down lately and I just wanted to make something for the community something people could talk or chat about this is really the only thing that makes me feel better

Was that sarcasm it's difficult to tell on the Internet

I don't even know why I bothered rejoining the server I've only ever gotten hate this was a waste of 3hrs

[rancid matrix]

It’s not a waste of effort at all bud, it’s just not something that the community want at the moment. Keep making suggestions though, have a look through what’s already been suggested and find some gaps!

[rancid oracle]

I'm sorry I've had so many mental breakdowns it's hard living but I will continue making map ideas
Tbh this is really just how I would've wanted Layton Lakes to be like I like it but with these species and different locations it would've been truly amazing

[rancid oracle]

@rancid matrix what country do you think I should do I don't really have many ideas anymore really

[calm panther]

There’s a fair bit of Asia to look at, plenty of north office as well. And various European countries.

Maybe Cyprus for a small reserve?

[rancid oracle]

North Office?

[calm panther]

North Africa

Kenya, Tunisia,Nigeria, Guinea, niger, benin, Angola etc

Not sure on hunting laws for those country’s but worth having a sift through

[rancid oracle]

Yeah I'll do some of that why is your name @calm panther and his name is @rancid matrix

Are you brothers or something

[calm panther]

Had someone break into this account, so used my @rancid matrix backup while I waited for support to sought it out for me.

[rancid oracle]

Ah ok

[trail lotus]

Out of all those countries you listed I only recall Benin allowing hunting
Tunisia might allow hunting for Barbary Wild Boar (a wild boar subspecies endemic to the Atlas Mountains of North Africa) and birds

Kenya has been off limits since the 70s and from what I have read any attempts to reopen Angola to hunting have been troublesome

[signal moon]

Better Idea: Backfill Some Of These Species To Layton Lakes Instead Of Creating A Whole New Map For Them.

There’s So Many Animals In Game That Could Simply Be Added To The Current Maps Instead Of Taking Tons Of Time And Resources To Make An Entirely New Map (For Example: Badgers, Sage Grouse, Beavers, And Tons Of Waterfowl To SRP Instead Of A Boring Midwest/Northern Plains Map).

[rancid oracle]

@calm panther hey so I have a question is it that you don't like this idea and would never want to see it or is it that you do like it but not something that you would want to see right now since the last NA map was just 1 map before it

[calm panther]

Mixed bag really,

I’m sure the scenery would be great, but that’s true of all expansive world maps.

I think America has been done to death, and to a lesser degree Europe.

There’s the rest of the world to dive into, Africa (which yes I know, I always bang on about it) only having one reserve from 2018 on it is criminal. And Asia also not yet being featured.

New species and by that I mean completely different to the one’s we already have (not just endless deer/moose) appeal to me.

In a nutshell, it’s in the games interest that it diversifies the location of it’s future reserves

[rancid oracle]

Hmm OK I only made this idea really cause Layton Lakes doesn't exactly appeal to me as a true Northwest Pacific map I do think they missed out but also I haven't seen that type of terrain in Washington I may be wrong but I don't know I was expecting something of Boreal forests and Temperate rainforests and so and so forth

Not saying Layton Lakes isn't bad it's good but it could or could've been much better having only 8 species

[calm panther]

You don’t need to make excuses mate, it’s your map suggestion, despite what I’ve said keep banging the drum for it and see if it gains support/traction.👍

[signal moon]

The Northern Cascades (Along The Border Region With B.C.) Looks A Lot Like Layton Does. It’s Not A Coastal Rainforest, Rather Evergreens And Swamplands.

[rancid oracle]

Part of it looks almost like SRP,Yukon, NEM, and it's own thing

[rancid oracle]

I know alot of people aren't a big fan but I'm still going to add more stuff to it to maybe make it abit more appealing

[rancid oracle]

Northern Pintail

Fur types:

Common: ( Dark Brown, brown, males only ) ,( light brown grey females only )
Very Rare: ( Albino male and female ), ( leucistic male and female )

I don't really know how to make rares for new species not really my strong suit plus I don't have any ai or tech that could make an animal rare

[calm panther]

Look up diffrent colour schemes that species naturally come in, albino, mellenistic etc

That’s what I do

[rancid oracle]

Oh ok thanks isn't that difficult though

[rancid oracle]

@calm panther hey it got 2 thumbs up!

[calm panther]

Make it 3!

[rancid oracle]

What fr you didn't need to do that, but it warms my heart thanks ❤️

Have you posted any ideas I'd definitely like to see them

[calm panther]

Only one,

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1195097534239088720

[rancid oracle]

Holy that got alot of attention and I had to scroll for 5min literally to get to the top there's well of a thousand messages I like it I've been meaning to make an Africa map Idea but I just don't know what I have been thinking about Ethiopia as its never been covered or seen in likely any video game ever made especially a hunting game

[calm panther]

Pro tip, look at what Africa maps have been posted already and go from their. Have a look and see which legal countries are undiscussed and go from there!

[rancid oracle]

Thanks it will help with basic info on legality and species then work on from there man you are wealth of information once again I cannot thank you enough I gave your idea a thumbs up👍

Oh no way no one has ever done a Ethiopia map I absolutely have to jump on this

[calm panther]

I you want a hand finding somewhere that’s yet to be covered I’ll happily have a sit down later today and send you some ideas

[rancid oracle]

OK thanks

[naive bolt]

Whitetail aren’t very common in Washington(from what I hear) so making Blacktail the number #1 deer species of the map would change it up a bit.

[rancid oracle]

Yeah I think the whitetail deer should be rarer and on the right side of the map and the columbian Blacktail deer being on the left side of the map being the opposite if Layton Lakes and adding a more realistic location for them

[naive bolt]

Just remove whitetail all together

[rancid oracle]

Hmm but then there would be less big game species and that is definitely something people wouldn't like

You put that thumbs down just now didn't you

[naive bolt]

Mountain Goats and Rocky Mountain bighorn more than make up for Whitetail.