Coyote Rework

[trail forge]

The Coyote model needs reworked. They look skinny and small (like how the Red Fox used to be before their rework). The fur detail is very flat.
It would be neat if howling/yipping was added too, Coyotes sound very distinctive.
I saw a post mentioning GO coyote ideas and a model rework would be a great way to add a possible coyote Great One to the game.

Current model looks like a stray dog imo

[fleet helm]

Imo the Jackals need it way more, but I still think Coyotes should get a rework eventually

[main marten]

Why Not Both? The Jackals Look Way Too Derpy, With Their Creepy Little Eyes. The Coyotes Are Just Too Skinny And Not Robust Enough.

[trail forge]

Both definitely need a rework. Coyote need it more so imo because they are on several maps (including base game map), jackal is only on one map.

[fleet helm]

I agreed, haha I mentioned wanting a Coyote rework too

[trail forge]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1140277834007449662

[north gull]

they also should look different depending on the map like they do irl but i don’t think they’d implement this

[hidden raft]

Coyote definitely needs to be at least class 3

[main marten]

1. Yes, They’re Far Larger Than A Class 2 Should Be And 2. Your Pfp Is Amazing

[trail forge]

Agreed
Fox are class 2 & coyote are much larger than a fox.

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1120507428564389921

[stuck bridge]

That is a great idea at the moment they look like they have mange

[west pecan]

I have been saying this for a long time. A handful of animals in the game could use the same treatment.

[naive abyss]

Coyotes look so weird in the game,also I have 2 diamonds of them so this remodel would be so good for my lodge.

[spark talon]

Fix the walking animation

[naive abyss]

They look like they haven’t been eating in months

[naive abyss]

Yeah they should just do a whole big remodel scheme grizzly coyote wolf elk etc

[naive abyss]

Yup it would have such a insanely positive effect on the game

[bronze wasp]

Found this chart, coyotes ought to be bigger

[ember harbor]

I posted your thread on mine since it coincides with my thread as well. Glad to see a thread on this. https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1273124990723555491

[topaz crow]

They should have some more fur or something. They look sick in the game (diseased kind of sick) definitely need rework. Some other predator calls for them could be nice. Also if they spooked less easy then it would give things like 20 gauge buckshot a better use

[ember harbor]

I'd like them to defn. be Resized, T:3, be in groups of 5-7 at night, and have this https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1269198134022504469 added in addition to hunt them.

[topaz crow]

Saw the scent one too. All of these definitely need to be added

[bronze wasp]

I recognize that they aren't all as big as the ones I'm dealing with now, but I've had 4 different coyotes over 50 pounds since I moved to Wyoming trying to kill my goats. Maybe at least consider changing the max weight to show how big these freaking things get

[ember flicker]

The OP’s pic is what I’ve always seen where I’m at.

[topaz crow]

Largest one ive shot around home was 62. So they can get a decent size

[ember harbor]

72.8 my cousin got a 78lb last year

[ocean pawn]

Agreed, the coyotes we have right now are way to small.

[ember harbor]

They need to be resized & reclassed to 3 an around a large dog size. Coyotes get up to 70lbs+: 40-60lbs avg. While wolves are around 110-180lbs foxes depending on the species are between 5-30lbs. I'm abit ashamed to have them in my predator lodge when they look sickly and the same size as a red fox. I'm begging for them to get reworked bc I love hunting them in-game as much as I do IRL.

For those looking for yotes this size NE is where my cousin & I have gotten big yotes with a few good seasons.

In addition to the rework I'd love nothing more than a predator pack with the update https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1275897733718347889

[bronze wasp]

As far as in game models go, they should be roughly the same size as the Labrador is. They are large for their weight with very, uh, poofy? fur that makes them look a little pudgy

[ocean pawn]

The usual coyote size ranges around here, the size we have of them now is the size of a red fox or slightly smaller.

[uneven radish]

Coyotes should definitely get a rework and size adjustment

[bronze wasp]

Coyotes for class 3

[toxic minnow]

Has anything been done with the feedback discussed within this thread? Just wondering, since I've practically abandoned the game because of issues like this, with this many votes, not being handled at all...

(btw, I'm putting this same question under multiple of the feedback threads I felt were this neglected, which led me to abandon the game since July)

TL;DR: "bump"

[past magnet]

I absolutely agree with this post, the coyotes in-game look really bad compared to irl coyotes :(

[bronze wasp]

Coyotes have amazing variations, they don't get enough love

[bronze wasp]

#1308944850673995816
Hopefully Coyote GO

[lusty orbit]

Don't think there's anything wrong with the model. Its simply based off the summer coat

[bronze wasp]

It's too small, the same shoulder height as red foxes and the weights are too low.

[rich light]

It's also just

Really ugly in game

[past magnet]

not to mention the eyes bugging out during their flinch animation

[lusty orbit]

really?

i mean from what i've seen they weigh between 18-25kg ingame so its actually good, but it does bug me the fact that all animals seem to be the same size despite the weight values being different..

[bronze wasp]

Yeah, it's really obvious in the Layton lodge because they're right next to each other. Coyotes usually weight between 30 and 50 pounds but I've killed at least 3 over 70 pounds.

[lusty orbit]

you sure those 70 pounders didnt have belly content or hybridized with dogs?

i mean, Coyotes down here in mexico are very small...

[bronze wasp]

Yeah. They were feeding on calves but when I shot them their stomachs were empty (I had to look for ear tags from.the calves)

[lusty orbit]

interesting, i mean, 20-25kgs isn't too low still since thats what they mostly weigh on a normal basis, 70 pound is probably a really big yote

[bronze wasp]

Yeah so they're fine in rancho cuz that really is how they look there but in NEM and Layton that's a fall setting and they need to be packing on winter weight and growing their winter coats

[lusty orbit]

maybe its partially this. The game doesn't seem to portray weights accurately on the animals themselves, they just seem to be numbers

[lusty orbit]

yeah i think so in that case

[rich light]

Could be given distinction like the Mexican bobcats and normal bobcats, only the coyotes actually look different across maps

[bronze wasp]

This is a better chart as far as shoulder heights go, gives a more clear comparison of size

[neat vault]

I would give them slightly more fur on Rancho because atm they look like they have mange.

[bronze wasp]

Atm they look scruffy enough to be chasing the road runner

[lusty orbit]

actually whats the difference between mexican bobcats and bobcats ingame?

[rich light]

Looks wise, literally no difference

Coyotes could have something similar, but would actually look different

[bronze wasp]

Mostly just area distinctions. Subspecies aren't really a thing in game

[lusty orbit]

by the way are boars and feral pigs 2 different things ingame?

[rich light]

They look pretty different at least, yeah (wild boar remodel please)

[bronze wasp]

They are two different things, feral pigs are domestic animals gone wild and wild boar are the naturally occurring wild pig species feral pigs descend from. Typically boar are heavier and built differently as far as bones go particularly the shovel shaped skulls and gristle plates over their ribs to protect them in fights with other boars

Coyotes have something similar. Fur buyers treat them differently as per Eastern, Western, and Southern. Western coyotes will be the largest and generally have the thickest fur, Eastern coyotes are a bit smaller and though their fur isn't as thick it's considered softer. Southern, including Mexican I'd assume, will be the smallest bodies and rough furs.

Even setting hybrids aside, coyotes come in a wide variety of colors. Anything from tan to black generally

Coydogs, hybrids of coyotes and domestic dogs, are generally coyote colored but they can have markings from several different breeds. Just because the coyote has those colors doesn't mean it's a coydog tho. Color mutation can hang on in populations much longer than the lifespan of the parent.

This one must have a collie or something in his family tree

[lusty orbit]

so cool

[bronze wasp]

👍 agreed

[ember harbor]

The model needs scaled up n bumped to class 3. Coyotes and bobcats are bigger than foxes weighing between 40-70lbs not up to 20lbs. The current model makes them look like they are starving n very unhealthy. You can easily see that when you have them next to fox mounts in your lodge. Bobcats look better than they used to be but they aren't much smaller than yotes. And the lynx, bobcat, and coyote belong in the same class 3 over the smaller species like foxes, raccoons, & jackels that are real class 2's

[ember harbor]

thats a pretty yote but defn. a hybrid

[bronze wasp]

Don't think it's a direct crossbreed, maybe a third or 4th gen

[ember harbor]

Well yea traits carry over in time but its still an interesting fur variant for a yote

[bronze wasp]

Don't think it's a direct crossbreed, maybe a third or 4th gen

[west pecan]

Here in upstate NY most of the packs here are hybrid (coywolves or coydogs) and they are bit bigger. In fact, here in the North East I am pretty sure a large percent are not full coyote anymore. There are a few packs of wolves interbreeding with them here as well. Which would explain why they are bigger than Hux explained.
Red wolves look very similar to coyotes and have the slender build of the current model but are bigger and heavier. Red wolves are actually mistaken for coyotes all the time and is the reason why they were hunted almost into extinction. They are making a comeback though because of conservation efforts. So make sure you know the difference if you live in the locations they live. I know there is a group of people that actually wants them to go extinct which sucks but I get it. But yeah, from what I know...the only way western coyotes would be bigger is if they are hybrids. It is actually recorded that eastern sizes are larger than western sizes in terms of full blood coyotes. Which is a reason why eastern coyotes get mistook for wolves when they hybridize.

[ember harbor]

Bump 👆 class 3: #1184845232072818688 message

[silent sail]

Bump! It is so annoying putting a Red Fox and a Coyote on the small wall mounts and seeing that the coyote is SMALLER than the fox!

[neat vault]

They have an affinity for motorized vehicles.

[bronze wasp]

Please EW,

Coyotes need a serious update and total rework. They need to be about mid size between wolves and foxes rather than the same size as either. For that matter, gray foxes need to be smaller than red foxes too.

If I'm not mistaken, gray foxes should be the smallest canines in the game.

[uneven jungle]

More furs for them could also be super cool, for example: this leucistic.

[severe spruce]

As someone who sees coyotes almost on a daily basis honestly yeah they could use a rework cotw doesn't do these animals the justice they need I would love a new rework to them

[spark talon]

Beautiful images of coyotes, remastered by the artist Gabboi for the game Planet Zoo. Images credit: Gabboi.

[uneven jungle]

Planet zoo knocked their models out of the park, best Coyote model out there IMO

[lilac python]

WOW. They look absolutely stunning

[uneven radish]

If the coyotes were to get the rework that they need, then I'd love to see them be backfilled onto SRP and Mississippi Acres. Maybe Yukon Valley as well. Considering that they can be found in almost every U.S. state, it would make sense to have them on more maps than they are on currently.

[fringe delta]

This should be as easy as taking their new wolf and adjusting the texture, model, and size

[fringe delta]

Well wolves and coyotes are similar enough that you can recycle models and other assets

Like using 1 bear model to make multiple species

[bronze wasp]

Not arguing that, just showing a size chart. Honestly a few changes to the wolf model would be a collosal improvement for the coyotes

[fringe delta]

Ok

I just say because I feel that it's always best to work smarter, not harder

To that same extent, I hope the other bison get remastered

[bronze wasp]

Honestly, the Alberta chat was full of comparisons between the cotw models and planet zoo's models and I ended up spending 120 to get planet zoo

[uneven jungle]

Dw, as a PZ fan, it’s extremely fun

[strong creek]

Adding onto this with some coyote color variations. More on the way. The red phase is an erythristic one.

Dog hybrids

More coyotes

They can be damn good looking animals

[lilac python]

2nd pic is a wolf and the orange one look like a coydog

[lilac python]

First picture are African golden wolves (Canis lupaster)

[strong creek]

Oh, you're right, those are jackals. And yes the orange ones do have some dog admixture and I should've included them in my hybrid segment. The "wolf" is still a coyote. Maybe some wolf admixture but its a coyote.

The "wolf" photo only shows up in articles discussing coyotes.

[spark talon]

Western Coyote vs Eastern Coyote

The comparison of their skulls

I think the Coyote species needs to be divided into two races: Western and Eastern.