Why Elephants Should Be In Game

[hushed storm]

Many People Have Been Asking For Elephants In Game. I Was Once On The Fence About The Topic, But After Doing Many Months Of Research I Have Seen That Not Only Are Elephants A Perfectly Legal Species To Hunt, But A Species That Probably Should Be Added.

The Excuse Given For Having European Bison On Hirschfelden Is That “Their Population Has To Be Managed”, So Why Could That Not Be The Same Excuse For Elephants?

The Conservation Status, Frankly, Shouldn’t Matter. African Elephants Are Considered Endangered With A Population Of Over 410,000 Animals, Of Which That Population Is Expanding In Many Countries.

Cameroon Allows Hunting Of African Bush Elephants Because There Are Not Only Nearly 7,000 Of Them, But They Must Be Managed, Just Like European Bison. The Same Thing Goes For Botswana, Namibia, Mozambique, And All Other Countries That Allow Elephant Hunting.

The Argument Of “They Won’t Fit In The Trophy Lodge” Also Falls Apart Due To The Massive Platforms And Extra Large Plaques, Both Of Which Could Fit An Elephant.

The Only Argument That Is Legitimate Is Whether Or Not The Engine Could Handle Elephants, Which I Am Fairly Certain It Could.

To Sweeten The Deal, You Could Say That All Elephant Meat From Hunted Elephants Goes To Native Tribes That Need The Meat, As That Is Not Only What Vurhonga Savanna Does In Game, But Is Often What Happens In Real Life.

I Hope That This Changed Someone’s Mind About Elephants Being Added In Game.

[fallow shale]

I wouldn't mind elephants in the game, but I also wouldn't be bothered if they were not included if you get what I mean. If elephants get added it should be with a reserve built for them gameplay wise so people have to take their time and hunt them. Add to that the environment has to be a real challenge to hunt elephants in either due to thick cover or some other factors

[hushed storm]

Right. I Had An Idea Of It Being African Forest Elephants On A Cameroon Map, But There Are Only 400 Left In The Country With INCREDIBLY Limited Hunting Opportunities, And Gabon (With 90,000 African Forest Elephants) Does Not Allow Hunting Of Elephants.

[fallow shale]

Why should bush elephants be a challenge to hunt if they get added: Look at how people grind for animals like Red Deer and Moose to get the great ones. One of my ideas for making a reserve centered around elephants could have it set in either Botswana (On account of that country reopening their hunt) or ZImbabwe (If you want lions as they are still off-limits in Botswana if I recall correctly).

[hushed storm]

Namibia Could Also Work, As It Has Very Dry Desert Terrain And Very Brushy Scrub, Both Of Which Have Elephant Hunts. It Could Be Another Map For Warthogs, Lions, And Blue Wildebeest, Plus A Bunch Of New Species That People Have Been Asking For. You Can Hunt The Entire Big 5 There, Including Rhinos (Although I Feel That Rhinos Are Far More Controversial Than Elephants, Despite Them Being Legal To Hunt In Several Countries Including Zambia, South Africa, And Namibia).

[fallow shale]

When were rhinos legally huntable in Zambia (or were you referring to elephants there) because when I was looking at all the available info when putting together my #1099469747323670729 reserve I never saw anything regarding Rhino hunting in Zambia (It has Yellow-backed Duiker available to hunt, which is funny considering they are more associated with the forest hunts in Cameroon)

[hushed storm]

I Was While I Was Writing Where Rhinos Were Huntable I Was Still Thinking Of Elephants.

[river wolf]

Elephants are coming. I'm convinced of it. Agree with everything you say, Schrader.

[fallow shale]

Lol

[river wolf]

I don't see why an Africa 2.0 map should be 100% country specific. Vurhonga certainly isn't.

[turbid sable]

Because hunting laws vary from country to country,there’s places where you are legally able to hunt The Entirety of the Big 5 and other countries,sometimes a quick drive not so much.

[river wolf]

In which country is Vurhonga set? Because as a South African, I can tell you it's definitely not 100% South African.

[stuck shard]

An amazing post, can you make one about giraffes too? I'm pretty sure they are legal to hunt in many places, but some people still have doubts!

[river wolf]

You can hunt giraffe and eat them. I haven't had giraffe for a while but it was always available at some game restaurants. Zebra too among other things.

[stuck shard]

Yea, I hope we have both on the next Africa map

[turbid sable]

Vurhonga isn’t one country,as someone who has been down to South Africa to hunt,I can tell you its 100% a random mix of countries,however this post https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1171201469177925653 goes into better detail on that.

[river wolf]

Yes, that's my point. It's great that way. Africa 2.0 should be the same. Maybe a mix of Botswana and Zim. Or some countries further North. Wherever they can create fresh biomes and an interesting array of species.

I've seen that thread. Some really great suggestions on there

[timid vigil]

The justification for not adding them was always because Endangered or Extinct species would not be added to the game, it is the policy of the game's creators from the beginning of its development.
And until now they have maintained that policy.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/youre-not-hunting-zebras-with-m16s-avalanche-on-its-push-for-ethics-in-thehunter

Elephants still retains the **Endangered **category because its current population and habitat has been reduced by more than 95% in the last 500 years and is still far below the "normal or low population" standard to be removed from that category.
https://ourworldindata.org/elephant-populations#:~:text=We see this in the chart.&text=In 1500%2C there were over,numbers had fallen below 300%2C000.

[turbid sable]

You know what’s funny is that article keeps saying “your not hunting Zebras with M-16’s” and yet that’s exactly what this game has become.

[timid vigil]

Yeah, but still there are no weapons that are not game weapons, like the M16 xD

[turbid sable]

Allow me to introduce:Zarza-15-.223

[timid vigil]

In game Zarzas are game weapons, legal hunting calibers whit legal mag (5 bullets).
M16 is caliber 5,56 × 45 OTAN, now allowed to hunting

[river wolf]

That article was also written in 2016. 😄 A LOT has changed since then.

[turbid sable]

I know,it’s the same platform.That really wasn’t the point,the point is that cotw has become a run around slinging .308’s at things game,not a hunting game.But I will continue to support this game as it looks much better than the others on the market…

[timid vigil]

The same content policies continue to be maintained

[fallow shale]

And I would like to see what Expansive Worlds has to say because that one article you linked was written back in 2016 and a lot of things can change in 7 years

[proven quarry]

It's still a great hunting game. It all depends on how you play it. You don't have to use those weapons. That's one thing I like about the devs is they realize everyone has their own playstyle. They give us options to hunt how we want. Some nights I want to drop a hundred Moose and some nights I just want to stalk through the thick brush and see what I find.

[timid vigil]

Yeah, I also want to hear an official YES or NO position regarding Elephants to end these discussions once and for all.

[turbid sable]

It’s way harder to play this game in a way non great one grinders would.Look at the recent maps,Rev,emerald coast they are catered towards grinders,Roos and crocs hit like a leaf in the breeze,something that would harm a grinders rotations.

[proven quarry]

I thought in the stream jaxy said they had changed their view on it?

[proven quarry]

I agree with you Rev is a grinders map. EC I wouldn't really say that's completely the case. That's what I lm talking about the devs giving both sides something. Some map's are for grinders and some aren't

[fallow shale]

I doubt it will end the discussions, just change the tone of the discussions depending on their official answer

[turbid sable]

It’s certainly not balanced out that well then.

[wintry grove]

to be fair, nothing in game is balanced well

[proven quarry]

Yea that's probably because they was trying to give both sides something

[turbid sable]

So then they should’ve done exactly that,either on release,the update afterwards,etc.

[wintry grove]

If I'm honest, i'm more intersted in getting hippos and a proper heavy magazine rifle on a map. Elephants would probably be their end of game goal and there's a ton of potential game species in Africa so one or two maps would only waste that

[fallow shale]

I do agree, at least a minimum of 3 more African reserves are needed, and elephants can be on the last of the African reserves

[wintry grove]

NA has 5-6 maps (depending on how a person sees Rancho) and Africa could easily support that with very few overlapping species

(internet fail) If Elephants are the last thing added, fine. There's still some dangerous and powerful game in Africa and enough plains game to make up for a long wait time. We just need proper guns for them and hopefully a balistics rework to make sure they work the right way

[fallow shale]

With North America I look at it as 5 maps in the United States and 1 in Mexico. But yeah Africa can easily do several maps with at most a 1 to 3 species overlap with Vurhonga

[wintry grove]

blue wildebeest would be the most prominent crossover, but I'm fine with them second would be the springbok. Great, don't mind them, NO FREAKING DUCKS OVER THE PLAINS THOUGH

[river wolf]

Bama gets it.

[river locust]

Germany has 26 bison as of 2020. This argument completely falls apart under that logic. 5.56 is completely legal to hunt with and is sometimes not sufficient as a minimum caliber for deer/larger game in many states.

.338 is much stronger than 5.56. It's not some super special round.

[fallow shale]

If Hirschfelden was set in Poland or another country that allows for the hunting of European Bison and has a larger population of the bison I guess it would make more sense

[river locust]

45-70 is also insanely strong. Elephant guns are frequently .700 nitro, .470 nitro also greatly outclasses 5.56

People need to do their research on ammunition. This is insanely frustrating to read. You can shoot a rabbit with .470 nitro and the carcass doesn't even evaporate, you still get money for the kill.

[river locust]

Okay, but that doesn't matter. There are only 26 in Germany, so they're already being fantastical about it in their own game universe.

[astral glade]

This just poaching bro 😭

[river locust]

Legally shooting a bull elephant with a purchased tag, whose meat goes to tribes isn't poaching. Poaching is the illegal take of wildlife.

[astral glade]

Either way adding elephants to the game would be weird imo. These animals are usually found at the zoo

I know im not putting up any valid arguments on why elephants shouldn’t be added 😭

[river locust]

...????? There are a lot of animals you can shoot that you find at the zoo. Fallow deer are a great example.
Also, elephants are usually found in Africa, given there are 60k of them there.

[fallow shale]

From what I have read bison hunting in Poland is extremely restrictive anyways with very few permits and I imagine it is a similar situation in Belarus, and if I recall correctly the limited number of permits given for Finnish Forest Reindeer is the reason they were not included on Revontouli Coast

[timid vigil]

They are hunted through what is called Trophy Hunting (Paying thousands of dollars to hunt an Endangered species) is also a modality with which the studio has often shown displeasure...
The tags are also controversial since they are obtained in a dubious manner through bribes to the highest bidder, at least there are many complaints of this type from various organizations..
Nor is shooting an Elephant considered Hunting, it is Harvested..
Species with the Endangered category are excluded from being Game Species.

That's all I'll say, these types of conversations are always the same, it's boring and repetitive every year...

[river locust]

You exclusively trophy hunt in COTW. This is why they have great ones, and why you don't eat to survive in that game. Trophy hunting is the sole reason the American Bison was brought back from extinction, i.e not indiscriminately shooting bison of either sx, but rather shooting the oldest best looking bull. This allowed younger bulls to survive and breed, and cows to be largely left alone except for when management was needed.

[fallow shale]

Various organizations likely including organizations who would happily see all hunting (trophy hunting, subsistence hunting, etc) end for good. The way European Bison hunts apparently work it would also be considered more of a harvest of a selected individual

[river locust]

Everything is called a harvest in this game.

[odd socket]

I think everyone should just stop acting like their some special animal, and while some think so they are just Elephants, not like a Tasmanian Tiger or something. And that this IS just a game, not real life. I know EW might think about backlash, but those that don't want to hunt Elephants DON'T have to hunt the Elephants.

[turbid sable]

You have no idea whether or not we eat our animals in-game,also if Trophy Hunters don’t keep all of their animals they give it to someone.You are describing poaching.

[river locust]

I don't like to shoot cat animals, so I only shoot ones I think will make diamond, because the trophies and knowing I did it are neat. I don't indiscriminately shoot them, because of my own bias. I indiscriminately shoot deer in that game regardless of trophy.

[river locust]

Poaching is by definition the illegal take of wildlife. Trophy hunters donate meat, especially because that's the law in many jurisdictions. Donating meat for free while getting a trophy you think is cool is not morally wrong. In fact, it is a net good, because both parties are happy and the animal was legally taken, and the people who need food get it.

There are no food or recipes and it is not said that the player eats the meat they hunt. You don't sit at a campfire cooking the antelope you just shot. I'm saying it's not a mechanic present in the game.

[turbid sable]

Trophy Hunters either use all of their animal or they give it to someone.

[river locust]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. They do that for elephants and all African game taken in real life. You MUST donate the meat to locals, you can't leave the country with it.

[turbid sable]

If you think EW is going to look up recipes for their game you have the devs mistaken,look at weapon performance.

[fallow shale]

True

[river locust]

You have absolutely no clue what I'm saying. There is no cooking mechanic for the game, there is no jerky animal exchange screen to get food that restores health, for all intents and purposes you do not eat animals in game unlike for example RDR2.

[turbid sable]

Because this isn’t a Survival game.

[river locust]

Exactly. It's a freaking trophy hunting game. I'm referring to what Rexio was saying, because he said EW wasn't keen on trophy hunting, which is the SOLE PURPOSE OF COTW.

[turbid sable]

That means nothing because as far as you know your player could be cooking it up in the lodge.

[river locust]

Of which there is no problem, I have no problem with trophy hunting, or hunting elephants. Trophy hunting is a net good, especially in Africa, because meat gets donated to people in need.

There are no described scenes of the player cooking in the lodge. That's like saying for all we know your player could be throwing their ammo in piles of fire and stealing more from the store so you never notice the amount of money or ammo going down.

[fallow shale]

I like to imagine my character occasionally finds the time to cook (Moose Heart Stew, Banteng Liver and Onions, Lion Tenderloin, etc, excluding canine species, but thats just me)

[turbid sable]

Same here!

[river locust]

That's cool, but that's roleplaying, not an actual mechanic. Which I'm sure you'd agree.

[turbid sable]

Animal Classes,trophy requirements,birds shot in the ground could even be an example of such.

[river locust]

Because there are many people who kill literally thousands of whitetail in-game and don't even retrieve the harvest, because it games respawn rates. That's illegal, yet they can still do it. Why? Because it is a trophy hunting game. COTW is a trophy hunting game. There is nothing wrong with trophy hunting, but for EW to have a stance against it indicates severe misinformedness on their part.

[odd socket]

I hate to say this but this IS just a game, at least to me.

[timid vigil]

Anyway, what we need is a YES or NO on Elephants from the Expansive World, so we can end this discussion once and for all, I think enough years have passed without them giving a clear answer on the matter.

[river locust]

I agree with that.

[turbid sable]

Actually,leaving your harvests out hurts your respawns.EW said so on a live stream.

[odd socket]

@timid vigil I agree, but you'd have to think that after so many years did they decide in the beginning or have they been working on them in secret

[fallow shale]

As I recall saying once, it won't so much end the discussion, it will change the tone of the discussion based on their answer

[river locust]

Okay, but they still do it. And it's still illegal irl. But they don't get punished. Because it's a trophy hunting game, not an ethics state law hunting game. As mentioned.

EW being against trophy hunting goes against the very nature of their game. Because COTW is a trophy hunting game. Roleplaying doesn't change what the game actually is.

[turbid sable]

They get punished by the game,because it’s a game.

[river locust]

All I'm saying is that EW is very silly in their methodology and shows that a lot of the devs never went hunting in their life.

You don't get punished by the game by being put in jail for one real hour, you don't lose money, you don't get restricted to not using a firearm for hours. You can kill thousands of deer and nothing happens.

[timid vigil]

In the game we are a hunter with a hunting license, hunting on a hunting ground, hunting Game Species..
Trophy hunting is paying for killing an animal regardless of whether or not it is a Game species

[river locust]

That is not trophy hunting. Trophy hunting is killing a legal animal with the sole intent of getting the best trophy, i.e not shooting the first spike that comes to your stand but rather the best specimen, regardless of intent to personally consume the meat.

[fallow shale]

You still have to get permits, have a professional hunting guide and what not, I recall reading about a Black Rhinoceros Hunt in Namibia and the hunter not only had a professional hunter but 2 rangers to make sure they got the correct rhino as it was a bull that had killed multiple other rhinos so he had to go. (Black Rhinos have a high mortality rate during breeding season apparently)

[river locust]

A trophy hunt is choosing to shoot the worse tasting tougher meat 8 year old buck because he has huge fkin antlers rather than the tender 2 year old, because you aren't subsistence hunting.

[odd socket]

I've only shot 2 deer and all I wanted was for them to have antlers lol, my first was a unicorn lol (it broke of it's other antler)

[river locust]

You evil trophy hunter! 😂

[fallow shale]

Heck the way polar bear hunting works in Nunavut and the Northwest Territories a few tags are used by trophy hunters who hire Inuit guides and the rest of the tags are used by the Inuit themselves for subsistence (meat, fur)

[odd socket]

Trophy hunting is the hunting of wild animals for sport, not for food. Usually, the animal is stuffed or a body part is kept for display. Most trophy hunters come from rich countries and pay high fees for their hunts. Courtesy of google

[river locust]

That last phrase is biased lol

[odd socket]

What phrase?

[river locust]

Bubba making $30,000 a year with his $15 Alabama deer tag waiting 3 years to see the booner of his dreams on public, donating the meat to his dad is probably not rich.

"Most trophy hunters come from rich countries and pay high fees for their hunts" I hate google so much! And so what if they pay high fees, a lot of the money goes back into conservation. Nonresident elk tags for trophy units can be upwards of $2600, and that same unit for the residents could be only $250.

[odd socket]

I personally think this is too serious of talk for a video game but whatever lol and I took that phrase from google

[river locust]

Yeah I know you got it from Google it's no worries

[odd socket]

Thanks, I just hate when it's even like kinda arguing stuff. Like I know no one's really arguing but still it makes me like eeeeek

[river wolf]

I'd rather they didn't, tbh. I'm quite happy for the discussion to continue. This is a forum and no debate should be shut down. There are always going to be new players with new ideas. Also, the team is unlikely to be the exact same group of developers that launched the game. If I heard correctly, the lead designer only started about three years ago. It is repeatedly mentioned on stream that this game continues to evolve with fresh perspectives as it responds to the new wants and desires of its audience. Species, like lions, have been added that were previously considered too controversial. Same with other elements of the game. None of the reserves are 100% technically accurate. The game has been adapting, is adapting and will continues to adapt. I think it's great that this is how it is and the possibilities it represents for the future of the game. It's exciting.

If there is a thread or subject in this forum that is upsetting, I strongly recommend not engaging in it. It's not worth the aggro and there's nothing wrong with stepping away.

But I will say that I've always valued your insights, even if I do not always agree.

[timid vigil]

We have been discussing this topic for 6 years, believe me, it is tiring and some of us already want closure (Official position).

[river wolf]

I get that.

[hushed storm]

There’s Actually 400,000 Elephants In Africa, Both Bush And Forest.

Also, Just As @odd socket Said, THIS. IS. A. GAME. It Is A Game Based Solely On Trophy Hunting. We Need To Stop Acting Like Elephants Are Special Because They Are Poached. You Know What Else Are Poached? European Bison, Iberian Wolves, Mountain Lions, Musk Deer, And Grizzly Bears, All Of Which Are In Game. Elephants Arw Hunted And ALL Of The Meat Is Donated To Nearby Tribes. Elephants Can Have Their Tusks, Skin, And Other Things Transferred Across International Borders If The Legal Documents Are Presented. All Of The People That Say Elephants Are Endangered Need To Understand That, While They Are Classified As Endangered, They Have An Incredibly High Population, Much Higher That European Bison, Iberian Wolves, Musk Deer, Grizzlies, And North American Gray Wolves.

[river locust]

Deer and turkey and every other animal, poached too!

Delete every animal from the game. 😂 Because of what a few bad people do.

You get to hunt cucumbers now. I hope you're ready. Most of them need .50bmg. Watch out for the pickle GO.

[fallow shale]

Speaking of poaching, one of the things for my new reserve concept#1183613914773200906 is going around and removing traps set by poachers as commercial poaching is far worse for wildlife then trophy hunting (Plus trophy hunting can fund anti-poaching teams)

[hushed storm]

I Think That’s A Great Idea

[river wolf]

Great to hear the positive commentary from Jaxy on stream today regarding the possibility of elephants being introduced sometime in the future. As with everything in life, it won't please some people (for fair enough reasons) but I do believe the vast majority understand that this is a fantasy experience and would very much welcome them if they are being considered. Lions were controversial too but they have been a fun and and successful species addition.
🐘

[pale nova]

Elephant 🐘 Bump.

[hushed storm]

Agreed. People Need To Understand That Just Because An Animal (Especially One That Is Legally Hunted) Is Found In A Video Game, Doesn’t Make Them Want To Go Out And Poach Animals. Anyone That Wants To Do That Is Insane. Sure, COTW Has Made Me Want To Hunt More Animals, But I’m Not Going Out And Poaching Just Because I Say Them In Game. I’m Actively Helping With The Conservation Of Species. Every Species, Even Elephants, Must Be Managed, Especially With Problem Bulls.

[river wolf]

It's a silly unfounded argument that has been used since Doom came out in the 90s re shooter video games.

[hushed storm]

It’s The Same Argument That The People Who Thinks Video Games Cause Violence Use. Literally No Sane Human Is Going Out And Committing Violent Acts Because They Saw It In A Video Game. Nobody Is Stealing Horses or Robbing Banks Because They Played RDR2, And Nobody Is Poaching Elephants Because They Got Hunted In A Video Game.

[river wolf]

Exactly. The kind of people who poach or hunt illegally are not influenced by video games. Those compulsions are driven by things like greed and ego which is already in their nature.

[fallow shale]

That is a positive for sure, I guess another animal that could work would be the Southern White Rhinoceros which is considered Near Threatened on the ICUN Redlist and has CITES Appendix 2 listing for Namibia and South Africa (Lions are listed as Vunerable and Brown Bears are Least Concern)

[river wolf]

I would absolutely love white rhino. I grew up not far from there so visited many times. It's a fantastic park. One of my favourites. It would be a such a thrill to have rhinos chasing you.

[hushed storm]

I Think That Having White Rhinos Would Be Great On Vurhonga. “Rambolo” The Mission Rhino Appeared To Be A Black Rhino, So Perhaps White Rhinos Were Reintroduced And Can Be Hunted, Like The European Bison On Hirsch.

[fallow shale]

I also think Rambolo the dead rhino was a Black Rhino too, and the White Rhinoceros could be a reintroduced species

[hushed storm]

Yeah That Would Be Probably Be A Good Move By EW. Several Sources Have Shown That Limited Hunting Has Helped Raise The Rhino Population In South Africa, So Vurhonga Having Rhinos Could Be Nice.

[pale nova]

Would you be content with the King 470DB Zenith, or is there another caliber and/or rifle you would like to see introduced if rhinos and elephants were introduced? 😗

[hushed storm]

I Think That The .470 Would Be A Perfect Round. The .375 Is Often The Minimum Required Caliber For Elephants, So A .375 Or Maybe .416 Could Also Be Added As An Elephant And Buffalo Gun.

[pale nova]

Absolutely! 👍 11/10

[turbid sable]

.416 is a great long range caliber for that purpose as well,which is the preferred caliber for rhinoceros.

[devout topaz]

I think it should be in the game

[pale nova]

Just a suggestion:
Mauser 98 has a 125th Anniversary around the corner coming up.

Available in *416 RIGBY, 375 H&H, 7X57, and *8X57 MAUSER.

Also, this metal finish for the cosmetics would look great on some of our current heritage weapons. 👌

[hushed storm]

1. That Us An Absolutely Beautiful Looking Weapon And 2. An 8x57 Mauser (Also Called 8mm Mauser) Should Be In Game In My Opinion. It’s A Very Powerful Caliber That Is Quite Good For Both Brush Hunting And Long Range Hunting.

[pale nova]

Yep! 😃

[turbid sable]

Allow me to introduce, https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1175313914876153976

[gentle fractal]

Elephants are not in the game, cus EW couldnt buy the rights from mother nature.

[turbid sable]

Another good way to balance Elephants is make them drink extremely rarely,therefore making them impossible to grind.

[fallow shale]

Yes, rest zones might not even need to be a thing either as wild elephants sleep for around 2 hours a night and can stay up for quite a long period of time (Captive elephants can sleep for 4 to 6 hours a night) so feed zones may be the only consistent need zone they have

[pale nova]

Baby bump.

[fallow shale]

Bump

[river wolf]

🐘

[devout topaz]

🐘

[devout topaz]

👍

[harsh pivot]

bump. Also, have a bonus for shooting tuskless cows as that's a common thing done in Africa to curtail undesirable genes from the days of ivory hunting

[river wolf]

Great cull backstory idea 👍

[pale nova]

Bump

[river wolf]

According to the Way of the Hunter Q&A notes released last week, I think it's fair to assume that elephants are not off the table for them either. We can argue ethics, realism and viable story lines all day but the fact remains that it is possible to make a believable story for hunting elephants and if COTW doesn't add them we can be certain that another competitor will. I'd be surprised if this wasn't a current point of discussion at the development table at the moment.

[odd socket]

@river wolf You have a major argument / point that is competition between games / companies. If WotH adds them, CotW will, if CotW does, the WotH will. Or maybe not. But yeah, it is the competition I think that will determine them in game.

[river wolf]

Agreed. 100%. Saying that though, these are two really wonderful games that I spend most of my time playing in very different ways for different reasons (with more time in COTW), so I really hope they don't ever become clones of each other. That would be very disappointing. I really want to see elephants in COTW but it would be awesome to see them in both games.

[odd socket]

Yeah, I play woth every now and then. But I like woth cause it's slower, and cotw cause it's faster. I doubt they'll become clones of each other. I think that if cotw doesn't add them or says they won't there will be an uprising or something. I mean they have to right? Cause of a lot of people asking for them for several years.

[river wolf]

I think so. It would be COTW's biggest show stopper.

[odd socket]

And if they add Elephants they might as well do a map with the Big 5

[chilly crown]

Lion and Cape Buffalo are already in the game, Leopards could easily be added, White Rhinoceros and African Elephant would all be feasible on one map if they choose to base said map in one of the countries where all of them are huntable.

[fallow shale]

So either another part of South Africa (Limpopo could work) or Northern Namibia

[chilly crown]

Limpopo province would probably work best. Then we could probably also throw in some Hippos and Crocs as well. Would be a very big game heavy map but that seems like what people want anyway.

[river wolf]

Namibia would provide some stunning landscapes.

Imagine, a map with the big 5. Now that would be something to behold.

[hushed storm]

Well WotH Added Badgers And COTW Didn’t, So They Don’t Always Copy Each Other. Think Of Them More As Siblings Than Rivals.

[odd socket]

@hushed storm Just making talk, and I think sibling rivalry is worse than actual rivarly tbh. But just saying stuff about the competition and stuff.

[river wolf]

As a twin, I can confirm that to be 100% true. LOL😂

[odd socket]

bump

[chilly crown]

I have now incorporated both Elephants and White Rhinos as "potential species" on my Namibia Reserve map idea. I recommend taking a look at it if you want to see these species' inclusion in the game.

Here's the link in case you haven't seen it already. https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1070108417819156631

[sharp walrus]

They will have to add a class 10 and redo the whole class system. It would be cool but we have to be realistic here.

[hushed storm]

Who’s Saying That They Wouldn’t Add A 10th Class? EW Sure Hasn’t Said That.

[turbid sable]

I don’t see why that would be a problem,elephants wouldn’t be the only ones in class 10,Water Buffalo and Cape Buffalo are both animals ingame that should be in class 10.

[hushed storm]

Personally I Think That Plains Bison And Water Buffalo Should Be Class 10, While Banteng, Cape, And European Bison Should Stay Class 9.

[turbid sable]

Water Buffalo minimum caliber is .375 last I checked,whereas plains bison can be as low as .308

And water buffalo are fairly aggressive and heavier than Cape buffalo.

At the same time,Cape buffalo also kill 200 people a year!

[hushed storm]

Most People Don’t Hunt Bison With Any Caliber Under .350

[pale nova]

Pachyderms, specifically rhinoceros are just a whole other level.

[turbid sable]

I mean,most people don’t hunt lions with .338 Lapuas but it’s legal in South Africa

I’d say moose are better in class 9 than Cape buffalo.

[spark vapor]

Holy hell that’s detailed

[hushed storm]

I Try My Best 😂

[spark vapor]

It %100 should be added seeing this

[grand knoll]

We should remember that this is just a game.

In the same way that GTA does not encourage kids to shoot hookers….

Elephants, and endangered game will not encourage people to actually go out and illegally shoot said species

[river wolf]

50 votes. Woohoo!
This is a prickly one so thanks everyone for supporting this.

[frigid cobalt]

Has anyone in here thought about how elephants would be incorporated into trophy lodges don’t think you could fit a elephant into any of the current lodges

[hushed storm]

They Could Fit Just Fine On Massive Platforms Or Extra Large Plaques

[frigid cobalt]

Are you sure about that lmao

[hushed storm]

Very Sure About It. A Single Elephant Could Fit On A Massive Platform, Just As A Saltwater Croc Can.

[frigid cobalt]

Go put a cape on one of those plaques and look how much room it takes then look at that photo and see how much bigger an elephant is

[frigid cobalt]

Crocs aren’t even comparable to elephants max weight for them in the game is 1100 kg and elephants irl often go up 6000+ kg

Also I doubt the game engine could even support a model that big same reason the Wels catfish isn’t on the Spain reserve in the angler

[turbid sable]

Wels catfish and Elephant are not comparable. The Angler was developed on an engine to handle bass,pike,channel catfish,cotw on the other hand runs incredible with Cape buffalo,which are not that far off from being the size of an elephant,elephants heads are only around 6ft wide,which is just the right size for plaques.

Or,hear me out THEY ADD PLAQUES IN THE LODGES.

[frigid cobalt]

My point with the wels was they stated they couldn’t add them because the models would be to big for the game engine I was saying the same would probably be the case for elephants

[frigid cobalt]

I think this photo demonstrates that elephants are very far off from the size of capes

[hushed storm]

You Realize That’s A Large Bull Elephant Compared To A Female Cape, Yes? Female Cape Are 50% Smaller Than Males On Average.

[turbid sable]

That is damn near a calf😂😂😂

[turbid sable]

You completely disregarded the meat of my point

[frigid cobalt]

No I completely acknowledged bull elephants weigh about 6 times as much as capes and I was using the wels as an example of an animal that was to big to be added to one of there games also that is most definitely not a calf look at the rack this ain’t COTW that’s a decent rack for irl

[turbid sable]

1. The Angler was not built for heavy fish 2. The Angler has far more factors than cotw when it comes to retrieving the animal,the cotw has an explosion at the barrel of the gun and where you aimed,not a projectile flying through the air,the angler on the other hand has the rod,the line and the water,which is why the engine can’t handle it and 3.It’s called sarcasm

Cotw is far more tolerant of large animal because of this.

[frigid cobalt]

Bro your analyzing my example way to much I was just saying they have said an animal was to big for one of there games before I wouldn’t be surprised if they do it again that’s all I understand there very different games

[turbid sable]

And I’m just making conversation😀

[frigid cobalt]

Yeah far enough idk I mean I certainly would not complain if they added them but I rly doubt it I feel like the fact that they haven’t at least commented on this thread has to mean something bc there’s no way they haven’t seen it

[turbid sable]

Just because they haven’t commented on it doesn’t mean they aren’t thinking about it,why Infact they have already thought about it,they have talked about it on their live streams,and it would work.

[verbal grove]

Sorry, but it's a bit ridiculous to use real life standards on a video game. Contracted Murder is against the law virtually everywhere, yet the 'Hitman' franchise is a huge seller. The animals in COTW are not real animals. There is nothing unethical about adding Elephants, especially with lions and wolves in the game already.

[turbid sable]

Lions and wolves aren’t endangered though.

PR is a major problem.

[dusk oracle]

Here’s another. That being said, relative scale in the lodges is not exactly accurate anyhow.

Something similar to this would be an excellent multimount for a Gargantuan-sized Plinth. 🤣

[pale nova]

100% in favor of adding elephants to theHunter.

We all know what’s REALLY the challenge with adding Elephants. Rotate that picture 90 degrees to the left and then imagine lining up a Texas Heart-Shot. Someone’s going to have to model that backside.

Comparative testis- to body-weight ratios for a variety of mammals indicate that elephant testes are small in relative terms.

However, you’ll still be timing a Texas Heart-shot to avoid hitting a 2-4kg set of slappers. Trophy organ for sure.

[turbid sable]

Small.

[hushed storm]

The Issue Is PR. There’s A Bunch Of Whiners On Twitter That Will Blow This Game Ti Smithereens Because They’re Ill Informed About Elephants And Other Endangered Animals That Can Be Hunted.

[sturdy hazel]

I mean, I would think with Lion's being added already and the dead Rhino in the one Vurhonga mission kinda debunk the PR bit

[odd socket]

I think EW would say why and how they put them in game.

[hushed storm]

The Dead Rhino Was Put In Game As A Show Of How Brutal And Unnecessarily Painful Poaching Is. The Lions Were Added Because They’re Not Classed As Endangered. People Don’t Like Hunting Of Endangered Species Because They Hear Hunting And Automatically Assume We’re Massacring Animals, Not Just Managing Them.

[stuck shard]

Today's stream

[fallow shale]

Times are changing

[stuck shard]

I wonder if this means we might have a chance of seeing a true south Asian map with tigers one day

[fallow shale]

I wouldn’t go that far, but the chances of us getting elephants is looking likely

[stuck shard]

I know I know, probably not lol 😂

But I just wonder

[chilly crown]

A new African map with Elephants seems like it would be totally possible, based on what he's saying.

[stuck shard]

Yea, I feel when we're gonna get Africa 2.0, it's gonna be ALL that we expected

[hushed storm]

The Thing With Southeast Asia And Tigers/Asian Elephants Is That Neither Of Them Are Allowed To Be Hunted Anywhere, While African Elephants Are.

[turbid sable]

Yeah,I draw the line at tigers,a ton of the subspecies only have a population in the double digits,which is just plain wrong to me.

[grand knoll]

If it had elephants everyone would buy it, by far the most exciting thing to hunt in game

[odd socket]

I think africa 2.0 is very likely, even if it's not the next map. I would say in the next 5 maps it will be one. I wouldn't care if it was a map a year if they were better, and each update fixed things like sheep, backfilling animals, bugs, etc... Less is more, as they say. If we get less update with better content I'm all for it. I don't think I could shoot a tiger to be honest. And as mr.schrader said, african elephants are legal to hunt in some places. While tigers and stuff aren't. I guess we just have to wait and see what map is next...

[stuck shard]

This photo just makes it necessary to make Elephants class 10 and not 9 like that Buffalo lol

[odd socket]

@stuck shard that buffalo is screwed

[sturdy hazel]

I'd love elephants to get added lol tho yeah, class 10 is at least required of them. Which means the DB .470 would have to become class 9-10 and they could go adding bigger guns, like the .50 cal rifles and stuff along those lines

[grand knoll]

I think 50. Rifles would be a little over the top.
The current Nitro rifles are 470., a round which has been used for elephant hunting irl. They would probably just make the rounds 9-10

Plus an elephant hunting map would undoubtedly be extremely popular, people will natural want to take out the biggest thing in game. It is the symbolic ultimate of big game.

[sturdy hazel]

I've seen people hunt whitetail with .50s before lol .50s just should be added as the 9-10 class since they're bigger than the nitros. Unless they talking of adding .600 nitro rifle or the .577 t rex rifle

[hushed storm]

I Think A .577 Tyrannosaur Or A .416 Rigby Would Be A Great Weapon. If We End Up Getting A Nepal Map With (Potentially, As They Are Not Legally Hunted There But Are Decently Abundant) Wild Yaks And Gaur, A .416 Would Be Great For Large Game Like That.

[grand knoll]

Yes but it’s still incredibly unsporting. Although as the argument for elephants to be added says “it is just a game”

[hushed storm]

People Use .50 BMG On African Game All The Time, Namely Giraffe And Cape Buffalo, Because African Game Are Notorious For Being Tough.

[grand knoll]

I know that they’re tough, usually shot with Nitro series or Lee rigbys. 50. Stuff is just a bit iffy

[river locust]

I think .50 is perfectly fine. I've seen people pursue moose with them.

[odd socket]

bump

[vast girder]

For moose is a bit foo-gazzy but for elephants yeah

But if elephants get added I'm all for getting a .50 BMG with API rounds

[verbal grove]

That depend on who you ask. Also, there are different subspecies that are critically endangered while other subspecies are fine.

[turbid sable]

I’m more referring to the locations of which the reserves are.

[verbal grove]

It's really a matter of who you ask and what specific area / biome you're talking about. Regardless, digital hunting never endangered any species, anywhere.

[grand knoll]

I think a lot of people here do not understand the basics of proper game management

Particularly in Southern Africa and asia

[rancid zenith]

A tiger mount would be absolutely amazing and while we are on the subject of big cats how about a snow leopard !!!

[river wolf]

So good to see this thread gain momentum.

[grand knoll]

^

[hushed storm]

I Wouldn’t Be Opposed, But I Doubt EW Would Add Them. Indian Leopards On The Other Hand Would Be Amazing.

[echo grove]

"Instead, Holfve tells me that with theHunter: Call of the Wild and its forebears, the development team always strives for 'ethical hunting' and going to great lengths to ensure the games cannot be misconstrued as glorifying the slaughter of animals." and then there are great one grinders

[verbal grove]

It seems silly to me. I know that some segment woyuld be upset, but why does no one ever object to wholesale murder in COd or Hitman, but want to blow a stink over a digital elephant hunt?

[grand knoll]

They’ve said they are fine with adding elephants now. The whole moral dilemma no longer exists

[vast girder]

Question is what rhinos are gonna be added

[grand knoll]

They mentioned all the big 5 on that stream, so I think they would be okay with it

[vast girder]

So white and black rhinos

[verbal grove]

And this same game that talks about 'ethical' hunting just gave us a challenge to shoot roe deer in the brain - brain shots are considered unethical because of the disastrous consequences of a muffed shot. In Medved they specifically say in Musk Deer Spotting "Musk deer are going extinct thx to poachers." but they are available to hunt without restriction.

In short, their ideals are Inconsistent.

[turbid sable]

Shooting a Roe deer in the brain and “hunting” Tigers and Snow leopards is a totally different thing.

[grand knoll]

That’s to do with appropriate hunting/game management. They’re right about that

[timid vigil]

Because the game is a Simulator that tries to simulate real hunting scenarios, ecoregions, seasons and real Game species that can be hunted IRL.
Under that concept it was developed and launched, with the policy of not adding species with the Endangered or Extinct category.
Many of the current players like that policy and commitment to conservation hunting. However, since it is a game, you can play it however you want, following the organic exploration hunting or slaughtering as many animals as you want.

It's a little disappointing that they change policies due to community pressure, not only adding Endangered species but also adding more GO species that encourage grinding and arcade shooting gallery mode.

This game is a simulator, it is different from other fantasy war games, if someone doesn't like those games they simply don't buy them since there is no other alternative way to play them.

[grand knoll]

A number of species that are endangered can be hunted. Allowing the hunting of endangered species brings revenue that reserves then use to upkeep not only the reserve for all species but also funds the continuation of that species.

This is something a lot of people here seem to know F all about,

The animals that are being shot are alway either too old, or bulls in an area that has already reached its male capacity.

[timid vigil]

Although it can be done, it does not mean that everyone agrees with it, it is an extremely controversial point.

[grand knoll]

All hunting is controversial, It’s the same system used in all hunting reserves around the world. If people don’t like it then that’s tough, effective game management ensures the continuation of species.

[river locust]

There are people that think COTW shouldn't even exist because it allows you to shoot digital critters lol

[grand knoll]

True, but none of them are present on this server😂

People with that mindset have a great passion, which is fantastic. But they don’t understand how these systems work.

And so by banning hunting and therefore the direct management of ecosystems they are condemning many species

[river locust]

If they want true realistic ethical hunting then they take in the controversial parts that still contribute positively overall to animal welfare.

[timid vigil]

They are different approaches since we are talking about species with the "Endangered" category (Animals that are in danger of disappearing from their natural environment in their region of origin due to a reduction of more than 50% of their population due to multiple external factors), animals with this category are removed from the list of "Game Species" and enter federal wildlife protection programs and their hunting is prohibited.

[river locust]

Moreover, Swedish PC culture and lack of hunting experience influences their attitudes. If you're making a hunting game you should be required to put at least 6 hours into a shooting range.

[grand knoll]

These vary from country to country. Elephants can be legally shot in both Tanzania, Botswana and Zimbabwe. The populations there are stable.

I’m not saying that we should be calling for them to add tigers and such. Morerather look at species on a population by country and then legality lens.

[river locust]

This relies on the practices of the country in question and even down to state-level policy, as well as populations in a given region. Endangered classifications are completely tied up in bureaucracy, pressure from invested groups like the WWF (who are 100% against hunting), and groups that profit from endangered classifications on animals (donate to sponsor x animal, etc). It's not 100% scientific.

[grand knoll]

Exactly this, a lot of these big organisations like the WWF have a very sheltered and unhelpful attitude towards hunting

[river locust]

Also, when taking donations as a 501c, you only need to use 5% of what is given towards the stated purpose. The rest can be used for whatever, including straight into your pocket. Hence the outside interest to keep certain animals on the endangered list-- more like, if they're removed, your BMW payment is endangered. 😂

[timid vigil]

Anyway, I've been in this game since 2017, I've read and watched these discussions many times, personally I'm a little tired of it...

If they don't add Endangered species it's fine, and if you add them it's also fine, it's the studio's decision.
Fortunately, you can play this game the way you prefer and hunt the species you want; for those who want grinding there are GOs and for those who want organic hunting and exploration there is simulation of real ecoregions and flora..

[grand knoll]

Indeed

[river locust]

Yea

[ivory pecan]

Yes

[hushed storm]

Southern White Rhinos. They’re The Only Ones That Can Be Hunted.

[hushed storm]

The Thing With Most People Is They Always Think Of Elephants Hunting As Ivory Hunting, When In Reality It’s Normally Taking Down The Old, Past Their Prime, Bulls Which Are No Longer Of Viable Breeding Use.

[hushed storm]

WWF Seems (Like Most Non Hunter) To Think That All Hunting Is Just Mindless Slaughter Of Animals, When In Reality It’s Is On Almost All Occasions For Food Or For Managing The Herds And Keeping Them Healthy.

[grand knoll]

And that’s why I pay them no attention. They’re shambolic.

I did not like the idea of illegal poaching neutralising the efforts of game reserves. And find that idiots online will only sign a petition, they won’t actually do anything useful to help. So I went out and became an anti-poaching ranger. That way I know that I have made a genuine kinetic difference.

[hushed storm]

Considering I Work With Fish And Game, I’ve Reported Plenty Elk Poachers. The Animals Leave All Of The Meat And Just Take The Antlers, Show No Respect To The Animal. Real, Ethical Hunters Show Respect To Animals. WWF Seems To Think That All Hunters Just Mindlessly Kill Animals And Dont Show Them Respect. I Show Respect To Coyotes, Despite Them Being A Pest Animal.

[fallow shale]

I recall Black Rhinos being allowed for very limited (emphasis on very limited) hunting in Namibia and South Africa
Always for old bulls past their breeding years that wind up killing other rhinos

Apparently a good number of rhino fatalities happen during the mating season

[grand knoll]

That’s a really good thing. Showing respect for everything you hunt, including pests, shows good selfcontrol and a good moral attitude.

[hushed storm]

Well I’d Call That More Of Getting Rid Of A Problem Animal Rather Than Hunting, Even If It’s Killed By A Tourist Hunter And Not A Ranger.

[river wolf]

Just a random thought, but if a new Africa map has elephants then a new log cabin will likely be needed and have the space required for elephant mounts. Which would be an exciting new addition too.

[hushed storm]

I Wouldn’t Mind A Texas Style Lodge With “Ginormous Platforms” And “Massive Plaques” For Any Massive Game Like Elephants, Giraffes, Etc.

[grand knoll]

Sasika is already pretty big, I’m sure you could fit an elephant on the large plaqs

[river wolf]

lodge not log. Damn autocorrect! 😂

[hushed storm]

You Could Definitely, But I’m Thinking Of Ginormous Platforms More In The Spirit Of Multimounts. Also, It’s Been Over 4 Years Since We’ve Cotten A True New Lodge, I Think It’s Time.

[grand knoll]

I would like to see a large scale multi species platform, a big watering hole for instance, where you can pick and choose which individual animals you would like per spot.

[hushed storm]

That Would Be Incredible, Making Your Lodge Almost Like A Museum With Dioramas Rather Than Just A Lodge Where You Put Your Trophies.

[grand knoll]

Yes that’s exactly what I’m getting at, great description.

[river wolf]

🐘

[sharp walrus]

It’s hard to develop a new class you have to redo some weapons. And all the weapons in the are way to weak to shot an elephant. Except maybe the 470.

[grand knoll]

Add class 10 weapons with the dlc that brings elephants, it’s not remotely difficult

[sharp walrus]

Yes it is.

[grand knoll]

It’s really not, they added guns for all the different classes before and literally made the code.

[sharp walrus]

Are you a developer

[grand knoll]

No I’m not, and neither are you. They know how to add classes to the game before, it won’t be hard for them. Use ya head

[sharp walrus]

Ask in the stream. First thing’s first it’s an old engine and they have said it takes a long time and it’s hard to add a whole new class and a new weapon. Use your head kid

A new trophy lodge needs to be added for elephants to fit

And ew have said that trophy lodges are super hard to make because it’s a lot of bugs that with a trophy lodge

[grand knoll]

The class system would have bugger all impact on the engine or performance? What are you on about?

Why are you getting silly and defensive?
Calling someone a kid only makes you look like a child

Elephants can easily fit in sasika on the large stands.

Why would you use the argument of “are you a dev” when you clearly are not one yourself as well?🫤

[sharp walrus]

So stop now

[sharp walrus]

🤣

[grand knoll]

Amazing counter argument, good job

[sharp walrus]

If you stop ill stop

[grand knoll]

Wdym?

How have you come out with that all a sudden?

Are you a developer, yes or no?

[sharp walrus]

No I’m not a dev. Is it not ok to have opinion or what.

[grand knoll]

It’s not okay to call someone’s claims false because they’re not a dev, when you youself make baseless claims and are also not a dev.

That’s literally pure hypocrisy

[sharp walrus]

Ew said it there self that it not easy to do trophy lodges, maps and weapons.

[grand knoll]

Yet they bring out new weapons and maps regularly, and have released another trophy lodge last year?

The fact that you do not know the difference between Their and there makes me think you must be a child.

[sharp walrus]

It’s not a claim it true.

[blissful hawk]

@grand knoll you yap

[grand knoll]

Well it’s quite clearly not when you see what I’ve mentioned above, they regularly add new content like weapons, maps and reserves every year. This is not hard for them. They have been doing this since 2017. Adding new weapons is not some ancient lost art.

[sharp walrus]

That doesn’t mean it is easy. And there only gonna release one map a year now

[grand knoll]

This your alt or something?, get outta here.

They’ve been doing it since 2017, they can add it without any problems. By your own logic if it’s so hard then why should they release anymore content since the base game came out?

[sharp walrus]

Why you get so defensive about it. It’s just an opinion. Calm down

That’s enough.

[grand knoll]

Your the one calling people kids out the blue, when you are certainly under the age of 16. You can’t back up anything you say, especially you not being a dev.

You have provided nothing of substance to suggest this would be difficult to do, if anything you’ve proven how easy it would be.

Major own goal

[blissful hawk]

Who's alt????

[sharp walrus]

Stop that’s enough.

[grand knoll]

Don’t start an argument, and call people kids because they disagree with you if you can’t handle it, important life lesson here.

[blissful hawk]

No offence but if you think I'm @sharp walrus's alt, your on stuff. Tbh it is probably not hard to add stuff to the game, but to add quality stuff? That's worse, especially when it comes to reserves. Be grateful the game isn't made by EA or something.

[still gorge]

@sharp walrus I mean dude he makes a good point.
You didn’t exactly help yourself out.

[sharp walrus]

True

[grand knoll]

What does that even mean?

Everything they have added has been of the same quality. There is nothing to suggest that this would be anything different, again as I have been saying to Mr milk, it’s the same team who have been doing this since 2017.
Jacxihas already said on stream that they are defiantly capable of doing elephants.

[blissful hawk]

Yes you have legit said this 3 times before or something. They are prob capable of doing it, but might be that it's coded to only be 9 classes and was never thought to be a 10th

[grand knoll]

I can guarantee you they can do it and that it would not be an issue.

[blissful hawk]

If it was programed to only be 9 classes, that would be a issue. Otherwise I agree that it shouldn't be a problem on the coding part of the job

[turbid sable]

We have plenty of weapons that are eligible for class 10.

[vast girder]

^^^^^^

[river locust]

Elephants would fit in Saseka.

[sharp walrus]

You think. I’m not sure

[river locust]

Yes. I know for sure they would. There are some significantly large platforms in there and the ceilings are very high.

[turbid sable]

Main room,both side rooms,back room all could easily fit elephant.

[grand knoll]

I don’t think a lodge should limit what to many would be the most exciting species to the game.

[odd socket]

You sure?

[river locust]

Yes.

[grand knoll]

The roofs on sasika are very high, they would fit

[odd socket]

i meant on the stands and plaques

[grand knoll]

I’m not personally bothered if it only fits on large stands

[odd socket]

also, 1 cape buffalo takes up most of the space on the biggest stands, also it would take away from you being able to make your own trophy lodge, I also just want a new lodge,

[grand knoll]

They fit on the large stands in terms of legs. The head would poke out a bit.

You can still make lodges, elephants would only be available on a limited number of stands. Which is ok. I’d just be happy to see them in game.

[stuck shard]

Yea, only on those biggest round platforms tho, not only cause of the size of the platform, but because the ceiling is high enough where those platforms are

[vast girder]

Was gonna say their stance would fit but head would entirely be over the edge however some rooms in saseka have space to still maneuver

[stuck shard]

And also, who said we're not gonna get new lodges with new stuff? 👀

[odd socket]

It's that there's only 3 of those stands though, and those stands are useful for large multi-mounts, I don't doubt they could fit it's whether enough spaces would be there for diamonds, rares, etc of elephants. So you could still have a lodge, and I do hope we could get new lodges one day as well

It is all hypothetical though, but if they don't add elephants and new lodges one day it would be taking away from what the game could do.

[vast girder]

True

[grand knoll]

I’m sure we will see elephant at some point

[odd socket]

we better

[hushed storm]

They’d Fit Fine In Seseka. The Massive Platforms Can Fit 2, Maybe 3 Cape Buffalo, Let Alone An Elephant. Plus, The Extra Large Plaques With Even Plains Bison Could Probably Fit A Musk Deer Or 2 In The Extra Space, And They Could Def Fit Elephants. Plus, We Need A New Lodge Badly. It’s Been Over 4 Years Since We’ve Gotten An Actual Quality Lodge (Not Saying The Layton Cabin Isn’t Good, But It’s Incredibly Limited).

[frigid cobalt]

If they made the elephants small they’d fit but if they do them proper they ain’t fitting

And no way 3 capes are fitting on one of those plaques unless their all lying on top of each other. A huddle Cape buffalo would be funny though

[hushed storm]

Place A Cape Buffalo On A Massive Platform, And There’s Still Enough Room For A Damn Houseparty On There. An Elephant Could Fit Fine. Even A Large Bull Would Fit Just Fine.

[frigid cobalt]

Yeah there’s some room for a bunch of lions on top of it but that doesn’t mean there’s enough room for an animal that weighs 2000 kg more then it

We need a new lodge or a current lodge upgrade anyway so that would solve this issue

[hushed storm]

I Seriously Don’t Get How You Think Elephants Couldn’t Fit On A Massive Platform. A Bull Elephant Is Around 10 - 12 Feet At The Shoulder, While A Cape Buffalo Is Around 5 - 6 Feet At The Shoulder. An Elephant Is Only Around Twice The Size Of A Cape In All Aspects Except Weight. If You Can Fit A Cape Buffalo And 3 Lions In A Mount, You Could Fit 2 Cape Buffalo In A Mount, Therefore Elephants Would Fit On A Massive Platform.

[frigid cobalt]

I forget what the female lions weigh but no matter what all three lions and a cape barely reach half the weight of a bull elephant. And weight does matter it translates to mass they’re not just longer and taller there also very wide. If they do them properly they wouldn’t fit. But there’s no saying they might make them look smaller like crocs in my opinion they don’t like anywhere near 1100 kg. If they did that then ofc yeah they’d fit

[hushed storm]

The Crocs Look About The Right Size. They’re Oversized On Most Mounts Because They’re So Long. An Elephant Really Isn’t That Long, They’re Just Tall, And The Ceilings In Seseka Safari Are Definitely Taller Than 13 Feet (The Maximum Recorded Height Of African Elephants).

[frigid cobalt]

If you think the crocs look true to size then we obviously aren’t going to agree on anything lmao things look tiny to me

And capes get to about 11 ft long vs elephants 24 feet so like right there already makes them not fit you couldn’t line up two capes single file on a plaque. And I was wrong about the weight they acually can reach up to 9900kg which is almost 10 times the weight of the capes. There’s just no way

https://www.nature.org/en-us/get-involved/how-to-help/animals-we-protect/african-bush-elephant/#:~:text=The African bush elephant is,weigh up to 11 tons.

There’s an article from what looks like decent source. Obviously that’s measurements from a huge bull so they could just make smaller ones but I think we would all want the biggest

[river locust]

What is your FOV set to

The appearance of animals in game is heavily reliant on FOV ime. Also does that length imply trunk/tusks fully extended?

Because trunks can be up to 8 feet

[grand knoll]

Respectfully you clearly do not understand the diameters of an elephant. Weight is utterly irrelevant in this, focus on shape.

There is plenty of shape on the large mounts to have an elephant.

We will all get a new lodge at some point, I don’t see why people are using silly lodge stands to try and deny this from coming. It’s a hunting game, most people would not care if the elephants lodge capabilits are limited. You can see this from how many upvotes to downvotes all these posts have.

Loads of space

[frigid cobalt]

If an animal weighs anywhere from 6 to 10 times the amount of another it means they are a lot bigger. But if you want to ignore the glaring difference in weight for some reason then let’s go by shape. A bull elephant can reach 24 ft long whereas a cape gets to about 11 ft so you would need to line 2 capes up single file and have extra room for them to fit on the same plaque. In the mount your showing the cape weighs 950 the lions collectively probably weigh around 580 kg give or take which adds up to 1,430 and bull elephants weighs anywhere from 6,000 to 9,900 kg think about it.

[river locust]

You are ignoring that the 24ft is 8ft in trunk length.

It would be perfectly okay for the trunk to extend past the platform. I think it would be cool even. Also, weight isn't just size, it's also bone density. Elephant bones are extremely thick.

In sheer body length, they max out at about 16.5 feet long, as visualized here. You are relying on numbers that give no context and have 0 scale pictures.

Definitely male.

[grand knoll]

@frigid cobalt

[frigid cobalt]

You’ve given me a lot to respond to so bear with me, the length is not including the trunk at least the trunk outstretched forward (I think that’s what you saying). That is tail to trunk length which is a different measurement the highest of which I found was 30 ft on a big bull. Secondly your scale picture is from dimensions.com (this isn’t a credible source) who took all there information from wiki and world wild life. Funny enough if you click on the world wild life page they used it even says there length is 18-24 ft. I will say that your average bull will obviously not be getting to 24 feet only large ones will but I’m assuming everyone would want the biggest in the game. Also obviously there bones are bigger I think anyone with a brain knows that bigger animal means more bone mass, are you trying to tell me capes have thin bones which is why they weigh less lmao.

Personally I like measurements better because there are so many variables in pictures angles, size of the exact animals, distance between the examples etc. but since you love photos here are a few

[river locust]

I'm not saying cape Buffalo weigh less because they have particularly thin bones, but elephant bones are just objectively way bigger

People can gain weight just by increasing bone density. Also I chose pictures where people were right beside the animal, not where they were ahead or particularly behind. Also, chances are the females will be a smaller model, but the males will probably be a universal size, with the only variance being tusk size.

[grand knoll]

That’s great but the only thing we need to think about is the actual length of foot to foot. If the head and trunk hangs over it’s fine

[stuck shard]

Can someone photoshop the elephant in that extra large spot in the lodge?

[frigid cobalt]

If elephant had the same bones as a cape it would be a deformed mess. You could say the same thing about a dog, Cape buffalo “bones are just objectively way bigger” I really don’t see your point there. Also I said above the photos I sent “I like measurements better” for the exact reasons you mentioned, although if elephant was not behind the cape you probably wouldn’t see the cape. Also I don’t see how pictures with humans are that relevant seeing as we are comparing them to capes

[frigid cobalt]

Personally I would not want just one pose where an elephant is squeezing its feet onto one small platform like it’s in a circus. I would want a proper sized platform were it can have many realistic and lifelike poses

[grand knoll]

No need to be silly and aggressive. They will fit comfortably on the podiums and still have plenty of space for other animations.

[frigid cobalt]

Don’t see how I’m being silly or aggressive lmao. If you read the conversation above you’ll quickly learn that I don’t think they would fit

[river locust]

Just like the Plains Buffalo, btw

[river locust]

You are acting like an obtuse midwit. When I say the bones are bigger I'm saying part of their weight is also the required increase in density. Their bones weigh 1800-2000lbs alone.

[grand knoll]

Your coming across as being silly and aggressive. Wether you intend to or not.

[frigid cobalt]

Bruh in what why I’m just talking and how is that relevant in any way to a discussing about wants in a game

[river locust]

They'll probably make new platforms if it's really necessary. The longest platform in Saseka could probably fit a bull elephant.

[grand knoll]

Because it’s affecting the discussion. Just think about how stuff you write comes across

[frigid cobalt]

I understand but capes bones play a part in there weight too obviously elephants bone composition is bigger but that’s because they are bigger I still just don’t get where your going with that

[river locust]

Weight doesn't scale linearly with size because of density considerations.

That's what I'm trying to say. Elephants are huge but they aren't x times bigger than a cape because they're x times heavier. The skeleton of an elephant weighs as much as a cape.

[frigid cobalt]

Buddy you’re the only one saying it’s affecting the conversation and seeing as you’ve barely been evolved I don’t rly care. I could argue that when you said I was being “silly and aggressive” you were being aggressive

[frigid cobalt]

Ok yeah that was worded a lot better and I get what your saying but still there bones are that much heavier because they are so much bigger. I do agree that saying an animal is x times bigger solely off weight is probably not super accurate but it’s still a good bases to evaluate size difference

[river locust]

I put them beside people because it's much easier to understand relative scale. I've seen people, not been around a cape in person. Just American Bison and large cattle.

[grand knoll]

And now you’ve just proven my point. If you can’t be civil don’t contribute.

[frigid cobalt]

Bro what are you saying me and @Jessica are having a perfectly civilized debate (at least to me if she says different then fine maybe I’m wrong) and then you just barged in and started calling me “aggressive” of course I’m going to defend myself when I don’t think I’ve been “aggressive”

[grand knoll]

You’ve just said I’m not evolved while claiming you are not being defensive/offensive.

I’ve not “barged in” I’ve been contributing to this discussion for weeks. I said that you were coming across as aggressive, wether you meant it or not.

[frigid cobalt]

I said you’ve barely been involved because we have been having this conversation for way longer than you’ve been involved. And by this conversation I mean the one with @Jessica I’m not talking about the whole post. And seeing as nothing I’ve said before you called me “aggressive” was even directed towards you idk why you care. That’s the last I’m saying on this because it’s really not relevant

[grand knoll]

Well you are wrong, I’ve been speaking to you about this since this morning, think about how you come across. As you are not exactly proving me otherwise. This place is for MATURE discussion.

It was a gentle nudge and you have decide to have a tantrum about it like a child, that’s on you.

[frigid cobalt]

It’s hard to find a picture of an alive cape next to a person they’re all dead (understandably) I feel like that would be a good comparison person vs elephant and person vs cape. I under stand the cape is not standing up so the best comparison but there’s one photo I found.

[frigid cobalt]

I have not commented on anyone’s demeanor or called anyone names I’ve strictly been talking about the subject of this discussion who’s the real child here

[grand knoll]

You literally referred to me as barely evolved? So no you clearly have.

[river locust]

You were being aggro but you started to cool off

Just being 100% honest

I'm not saying I'm free of the same mistake in life either, fwiw. Just telling you what I observed.

[frigid cobalt]

That is not a comment about you as a person at all that is a comment about your involvement in this particular conversation. You’re the one who started comments about my personality “silly aggressive” “childish”. Trust me I’ve gathered a lot of opinions about your personality from this conversation but I’m not going to share them because that rude and disrespectful especially considering I’ve never even met you

[hushed storm]

Y’all. Let Me Get Something Straight. If A SALTWATER CROCODILE, Which Is Over 20 FEET LONG, Can Go On A Massive Platform, Then An Elephant At About 12 - 16 Feet (Not Including Trunk Or Tail) Could Absolutely Fit On There. Height Doesn’t Matter Either Since The Ceilings In Seseka Are Easily 20 - 30 Feet Tall.

[grand knoll]

I’ll take it you won’t be a doing by what you’ve said here? And admit you were in the wrong, as Jessica has suggested?

[frigid cobalt]

I mean yeah I get you called me an “obtuse midwit” but I didn’t comment on it and as far as I know I have made no comments directed at anything other then the subject. Good one btw never heard someone say that

[hushed storm]

Why Are We All Arguing Like Children In Here? This Is Simply My Argument Has To Why Elephants Should Be In Game, As Well As How They Could Fit In Lodges. We’re All Mature People In Here, So Stop Acting Like We’re Not. If You’re Going To Debate, At Least Be Civil Instead Of Name Calling.

[grand knoll]

Agreed, back to topic.

With new lodges we can get bigger mounts, hopefully a new lodge will come along with an elephant map.

[river locust]

I don't often say things to actually insult someone, if I think they're being something that's just what I call them.

[frigid cobalt]

Yeah and that’s exactly how I took what you said but when someone calls me childish and aggressive I don’t take it that way I feel like that’s fair.

[river locust]

Chances are is we'll get a new lodge in the future, especially if they introduced an arctic map. I can't imagine they wouldn't do a snowy lodge

[grand knoll]

Oh I’m sure of it. Not sure what the setting would be

[river locust]

Sure, it's difficult, but game dev is difficult in general. It's a labour of love. Here's to hoping they use UE5 for their next engine, or their next in-house is much easier to use.

There are things that are reasonable in scope due to reward over input and other things that aren't. I once saw someone say that it's "definitely feasible to add 20 breeds of horses" if they did add horses. That is far outside of reasonable scope and not within the image of the game. Third lodge they can also sell? Definitely within, even if it isn't easy.

[odd socket]

Calm down everyone, just a game suggestion

[grand knoll]

What we could do is work out the size of the ingame large mount at its scale and then see how much space their is to play with.

[pale nova]

If the trophy glitch was still active, I’d have so much fun with Elephants! 🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘

[dusk oracle]

Using the same (very useful!) website that Jessica has drawn attention to. Based on this, there is no way that a bull African bush elephant will fit on the largest sized plinth currently in the game, even if the head over hangs. (Note that the human scalies give a false impression of being different. They are, in fact, the same height; the line thickness gives a false impression.)

[turbid sable]

EW themselves said they can do it so I don’t doubt they can.It’s not hard to update the existing lodge.

[frigid cobalt]

You got a clip or something of them saying that. It would solve a very large argument

[frigid cobalt]

Oh nvm I’ve seen that thought he was talking about fitting them I lodges mb read that wrong

[sharp walrus]

I don’t care if Elephants come to the game or not. If so then fun, if not then fine.

[grand knoll]

Side note, what sort of trophy stands would we like to see for elephants?

[frigid cobalt]

Idk if anyone else has seen this one in person it’s in Washington DC would love something like this

[grand knoll]

That would be Awsome

[hushed storm]

That Exhibit At The Natural History Museum Is One Of The Coolest Mounts I’ve Ever Seen.

[low pendant]

That's very cool!

[frigid cobalt]

If you look closely you can see other small animals like a few birds a snake and maybe a few other things it would be could to have a large mount like this with multiple spots where we could put whatever animals we want

[low pendant]

A display like this would be awesome to have in a lodge!

Thought this was pretty cool too! Could be an archway even!

[stuck shard]

About Elephants today

[odd socket]

The beard stroking is suspicious to me

[verbal grove]

For that matter, there's outside space used for nothing in Sasika. They could recode platforms outside. Plenty of room if you ditch the recreation areas.

[hushed storm]

He’s Already Confirmed That Africa 2.0 Isn’t Coming Next, So I Doubt That Elephants Are Coming Anytime Soon.

[odd socket]

i know, i've heard from like 20 people, just the fact though that it is possible is cool though

[wintry grove]

Said this before, but Africa has more than enough biomes/game animals to make 2 or 3 maps still. A second African map shouldn't be the end of the game

[hushed storm]

Agreed. I Think That 4 African Maps Is Feasible: Obviously Vurhonga, As Well As Somewhere In West Africa (https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1183613914773200906 Or https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1171559200342687764), Somewhere In Ethiopia Or Elsewhere In Eastern Africa (https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1158760860282519652), And Somewhere In North Africa, Likely Morocco (https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1159248365029167144)

[wintry grove]

Namibia has some very cool animals, so does Botswana

[hushed storm]

Agreed, But Being That They’re Both In Southern Africa, Most Other Southern African Countries (Except Namibia) Is Far Too Similar To Vurhonga In Landscape.

[wintry grove]

I meant more like how Namibia is more dry forest/desert and Botswana literally a wetland they could serve as entirely different biomes to Vurhonga

[turbid sable]

Both of those locations are also far more versatile than throwing a ton of random African animals into one map.

[wintry grove]

Kenya would also be cool, as would Tanzania (LITERALLY the Selous Game Resserve would be fantastic)

[turbid sable]

I believe Kenya banned hunting in the 70’s probably 72 alongside India sadly,awesome place.

[wintry grove]

Botswana lifted their ban on trophy elephant hunting recently

[turbid sable]

1977*

[turbid sable]

Take notes EW

[wintry grove]

I'm up for swamp crawling with the .470 for a big bull

[wintry grove]

Google brought this up in like .5 seconds

[turbid sable]

That’s how you get the blood pumping!

[river wolf]

bump

[wintry grove]

Game severly needs heavy rifles for the class 8-9 animals

[low pendant]

Yes it does!

[grand knoll]

For real

[hushed storm]

Only 16 To 100! Let’s Get This Post Up There!

[pale nova]

Bump

[frozen brook]

14 more

I bet there would be a massive spike in players if they added elephants even if they made the dlc $20 I would buy it

And they could add a .375, .416, 458, or .50

[blazing pollen]

I wouldn’t mind a Namibia map with rhinos and elephants

[dry jacinth]

If this happens I want this as one of the trophy mounts

[blazing pollen]

Or this perhaps with a new lodge dlc wouldn’t mind seeing mounts walking out of the wall like irl lodges

[dry jacinth]

Why either or? I say both

[blazing pollen]

Something like this would also be cool

Nice diorama mount and the tusks could add some new diversity to the lodges like entering the big room in Saseka Safari you see 2 elephant tusks near the doorway

[dry jacinth]

Back in the day elephant feet taxidermy was popular…for some reason

[blazing pollen]

I think rhinos would also be cool for a future reserve like Namibia or another South African reserve due to them being the only countries where you can hunt them

[dry jacinth]

Elephant great one perhaps?

[turbid sable]

Yikes…probably not the best idea to slaughter a controversial species to get that big one…

[hushed storm]

This Would Make A Cool Rare, Having A 4-Tusked Elephant.

[river wolf]

bump

[low pendant]

Upvoted!

[pale nova]

Bump

[dry jacinth]

Anyone read White Hunter : the golden age of safaris? It talks about some seriously bad elephant charges/attacks.

It’s a great read I highly recommend it.

[river wolf]

🐘

[hushed storm]

6 More To 100!

[river wolf]

4 to go

[dry jacinth]

Bump so 4 more people can see this

[hushed storm]

Here’s The OG Message In Case Anyone Wants To Go Back And Read It.

[wintry grove]

You know this reserve would be a really good time to update Saseka Safari lodge, maybe add a large room just for bigger trophy displays? Something like the ecology displays where several species and numbers of each animal are set out in museums/science centers

Actually, they could add some gun displays for Spring creek and the layton lodge too, not too many but enough for your favorites

[odd socket]

I just made a new taxidermy poses and stuff toohttps://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1207112135919013959

[hushed storm]

I’ve Wanted To See A Huge Lodge That’s More Like A Museum For AGES. I Love Visiting Places Like The International Wildlife Museum In Tucson And I’d Like To See Something Similar In Game If Possible.

[wintry grove]

It'd be really cool to have a legitmate map where the entire story is the land owner is asking for your help to open a museum to promote and help pay for the reserve

[hushed storm]

That Would Definitely Be Cool, Perhaps If They Make A Texas Style Map?

[wintry grove]

The museum could be the main focus because he wants exhibits to show that the animals were going extinct or the population was falling and the reserve is being fixed up to show the effects of conservation and how the population is bouncing back. More or less saying "Texas is not all high fences and sport hunters, some of us are serious about saving these animals"

[hushed storm]

My Thoughts Exactly. I Want Something Like That, Even If It’s A Parque-Esque Lodge.

[wintry grove]

It would make sense to be parque style actually, promoting not just the hunting side but family vacations where they're encouraged to learn about each animal and take pictures of the animals they do cross paths with (picture missions are the bane of my existence but I can take them alongside a new map)

Actually remember a really unfortunate story surrounding a Texas lodge like this, one of their oryx turned extremely aggressive and ended up killing two ranch hands and almost killed a third

[river wolf]

🏆 Let's make this 100. 🏆

[hushed storm]

Let’s Go! Thank You To Everyone That Upvoted This! We Finally Hit 100! Let’s Keep Upvoting So That We Can Continue To Show Why We Need Elephants.

Why Elephants Should Be In Game

[pale nova]

Request for if/when elephants are introduced:

The Bell Shot, the feat of shooting while standing diagonally behind.

[wintry grove]

I have the book where he explains the shooting angles on elephants, interesting to read

[pale nova]

It seems like once you’ve entered that continent, evolution seems to have changed a few rules for shot placement with wild game.

[wintry grove]

Apparently so, even in the book he says sportsmen just visiting Africa for the first time shoot too high on all manner of game, especially with rhinos, hippos, and elephants

[grand knoll]

What’s it called?

[wintry grove]

The wanderings of an elephant hunter, W.D.M Bell

[wintry grove]

Sorry, meant to ping the book name to you

[dry jacinth]

Like with plains game, you shoot directly on the shoulder instead of just behind

[wintry grove]

Worth Noting

In the book I mentioned, Bell recommends the body shot to new elephant hunters. Specifically the heart shot as its the safest way to go until you learn the position of the brain

[pale nova]

The man is kind of a Legend.

[wintry grove]

Questionable with the Natives though

[dusk oracle]

You can read it for free here (public domain): https://archive.org/details/wanderingsofelep1923bell/page/n9/mode/2up

there are other copies located at the same site if you want another for some reason

[wintry grove]

I bought a print version, I just like books tho

[hushed storm]

Bump

[small acorn]

For me personally i've always felt its just a video game.. these are pixels on a screen. If we are worried about being controversial the game can and already is controversial due to the fact there are groups of people that already dislike the idea of hunting in general. ADD the elephants. We the hunters want them 👍

[wintry grove]

Honestly I want hippos more than elephants but i don't particularly which one brings in the .375/.416 bolt action as long as it comes in full power

[grand knoll]

Boost for the elephants

[hushed storm]

Why Not Both? Bring Both On Whatever Africa 2.0 Map May Come.

[turbid sable]

I don’t see why we couldn’t see both, they live in very different environments in most cases (except the okavango).

[low pendant]

How about dedicated new menu from load screen arcade mode and fun modes added that contain a 10-15 km square map that has one herd of lions or elephants or giraffes etc and you select your primary prey at outset. Map is auto back filled on fly with class 3 to 1 animals

The primary herd has one large trophy male and entire herd has twice the range of smell, hearing , sight. Only two guns are selectable no tripods or stands or vehicles or scent spray and after 1st shot entire herd tries to kill you and 24 hour cool down before you can try that species again. If you do get lung/heart shot with first shot the remains of herd aggression level drops to half and if survive 2 minute countdown the herd moves on and you collect prize and taxi beast

Over time bio and animals added as part of updates. Think of all exotic creatures woke people would lose sleep over if gamers killed a digital version and they perfect choice.

Hunt rhino, polar bears, elephants, walrus, blue whales, killer whales, tigers, Komodo dragons, wholly Mammoths, T Rex, raptors etc

[fallow shale]

Okay but the first 4 animals listed can be hunted: Polar Bears and Walrus can be hunted in the Canadian Arctic meanwhile both Elephant and Rhinoceros can be hunted in Africa, also whole system your proposing seems unnecessary when EW themselves are clearly hinting at the fact that elephants will very likely show up in the future, also this system your proposing could work as a game for mobile phones, I just can't personally see it working in COTW.

[wintry grove]

Both would be great, but we still need a true class 9 bolt action, I'd much prefer a .416 but i'd even take a .375 or .458

[pale nova]

Yes to all three. 🤣

[wintry grove]

Dangerous game pack

[dry jacinth]

I’d also add the 425WR to the list personally. It’s a vintage caliber for Africa but the rifle looks way too good to not add into the game

[rancid zenith]

Only if they are made challenging to hunt and not just some big target ...

[wintry grove]

She's a beauty, I'd love to see more rifles like this in game. These were the original hunting rifles and built for nothing else, way more soul and love in these things the recycled beer cans and barbie dolls that pass for hunting rifles nowadays

[hushed storm]

My Thoughts Exactly. Obviously, Don’t Make Them Too Difficult Either. Make Them Rest Deep In The Woods So That They’re Hard To Find But Make Them Feed In More Open Areas, Near Acacia Trees. I Also Think That They Should Have Drink Zones, But Have Them Be Either In The Middle Of The Night Or Late In The Evening.

[turbid sable]

Make them go to said drinkzones very rarely, as elephants do irl.

[astral ice]

As a German I totally agree and I'm not threatened by the Botswanan government with 20000 elephants

[grand knoll]

Let them come

[strong sluice]

Bump

[river wolf]

🐘

[pale nova]

🐘🐘

[stuck shard]

I can confirm Elephants will be in the game one day

[river wolf]

I've been saying this for months but the naysayers refused to believe it. Jaxy doesn't discuss things by 'accident'. Part of his role is to test the waters and get conversations going. It's all smoke and mirrors.

[river locust]

I'm glad the devs quit their stupid grandstanding

Tho I hope the tigers/snow leopards can be shot in Sundarpatan, otherwise they'll be back to useless soapboxing that doesn't appeal to their major userbase, just the minority that outright dislikes what the game is about

[harsh pivot]

I'd like at least a .375 as a rifle for DG and heavy plains game like up to class 6 or or 7 (the gun is often used for bears)

[river wolf]

It's mostly a new dev team, to be fair. Their new lead designer, Arshak, has been pushing the game in a different direction. For the better, it seems.

[turbid sable]

7-9. The .300 should be 6-8/9.

[harsh pivot]

Yeah perfect

[covert acorn]

I mean especially now that we have tigers there's no excuse not to have elephants

[river locust]

That's very good. I hope at some point the devs can get their hands on some range shooting irl. And hunting.