new map/adding animals

[vernal lotus]

Add giraffes or tigers elephants I know me and my friends would love that 

[dapper bolt]

Giraffes and Tigers don’t coexist and Tigers are completely illegal to hunt anywhere.

[verbal girder]

They could make a new reserve like https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1139668296376008745
where not huntable species are farm raced so you can hunt them

Giraffes you are able to hunt in small numbers in some countries and elephants only in 1 I have heard of, but that is nowhere close to where vurhonga is, so it will be hard.

[woven iris]

Elephants and Tigers are illegal to hunt pretty much everywhere. I believe Giraffes are too in most places. There might be a zone where you can hunt elephants and/or giraffes, but for the most part, all are illegal.

[golden meadow]

Elephants Can Be Hunted In Cameroon, Botswana, Tanzania, Zambia, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Namibia, And South Africa.

[golden meadow]

Elephants Can Be Hunted In 8 Countries And Proposed Hunting Permits In Several Others. Tigers Cannot Be Hunted Anywhere. Giraffes Can Be Hunted In 3 Countries: Namibia, Zimbabwe, And South Africa.

[green igloo]

Except tigers, I see both Giraffes and Elephants getting added, especially giraffes on https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1070108417819156631

[jade laurel]

Elephants I don't see the appeal for but giraffes yessir

[golden meadow]

Elephants Are Huge, They’re Impressive, They’re Difficult To Hunt, And Most Of The Meat From People That Hunt Elephants Are Donated To Local Tribes That Need It.

[jade laurel]

Oh I get that just doesn't seem challenging at all I mean if it were hard poachers wouldn't effortlessly almost make elephants extinct most of which are some ragtag militiamen who usually end up working for the IS or other warlord factions on the old terror list

Can you imagine how easy a educated high tech westerner would decimate elephants

I get the appeal tho

Like playing turock just murdering dinosaurs and killing big tanky thing it's pretty crazy so that half I see

[golden meadow]

Well 1. Elephants Aren’t Almost Extinct, There Are Over 400,000 Elephants In The World, And That Population Is Increasing In Many Countries BECAUSE Of Hunting. Poaching Is Becoming Rarer And Rarer Due To People Cracking Down On Them And Taking Them Out, And The Old, Angry Elephant Bulls Have To Be Managed Just Like Any Other Animal Does. Also, COTW Is About Ethical Hunting, And If European Bison On Hirsch Need To Be “Managed” Despite Having A Total Worldwide Population Of Under 6,000, I’m Almost Certain That Elephants With Over 400,000 Must Be “Managed”, Too.

[jade laurel]

African elephants in countries such as Kenya during the late 2000's were getting decimated so much by al Shabab insurgents that Kenya hired tier 1 operators to train their soldiers and wardens on counter poaching operations Infact many countries in Africa would follow suit. Real facts don't agree with your statement but also yes they have made a crazy recovery i still feel like it's shooting fish in a barrel tho

I'm not disagreeing with what your saying but I'm disagreeing with it being a "challenge" other than that yeah why not put the big "ouuu ahhhh" animal in

[golden meadow]

Well The European Bison Aren’t Exactly “Challenging” To Hunt, Nor Are Plains Bison, Cape Buffalo, Water Buffalo, Or Any Other Kind Of Large Game In COTW. Elephants Would Be Just As Challenging As They Are.

[jade laurel]

Exactly why I live by the moniker of "if it's 9 I'm fine" because I could play with one hand on my controller and smoke a herd out

[golden meadow]

But You Don’t Seem To Have An Issue With Them Being In Game, Yet Apparently Elephants Being “Not Challenging” Despite Being The Largest Land Mammal On Earth Is An Issue.

[jade laurel]

Well no I didn't play the game when those maps dropped no point in crying about it now

[proper vessel]

During these 6 years I have read all kinds of arguments, laws, opinions and more about elephants and the truth is I'm a little fed up, why don't they make a thread asking EW to clarify once and for all whether they added it or not and we put the answer in Pins?

[jade laurel]

👿's advocate just to flesh and idea out and hopefully make a request have some sensible reasoning behind it that's all got no beef with no one if anything giving points for good counters to make a better release

[dapper bolt]

I don’t see why elephants wouldn’t be difficult,especially a Big Bull in Musth,would be absolutely terrifying and not only that their skin is like 3 inches thicker than Cape buffalo meaning,it’s harder to take down a 13,000 pound animal with nearly 6ft long,200lb tusks

[woven iris]

If elephants can be hunted as well as giraffes, why on earth am I seeing literally everywhere that they're all endangered?🤔 I would personally NOT like a map where giraffes and tigers are hunted. I wouldn't spend my money on something like that. Elephants I probably wouldn't mind? I have mixed emotions bout that one lol

[golden meadow]

Tigers Cannot Be Hunted. Giraffes Can Be Hunted In South Africa, Namibia, And Zimbabwe. Elephants Can Br Hunted In 8 Countries, Despite Their Unscientific Status Of “Endangered” (It Should Be In The Class Of Vulnerable Or Near Threatened, As Their Population Is Over 400,000). Giraffes, Like Almost All Animals, Need To Be Managed. Bulls Can Get Quite Aggressive During Mating Season And May Become A Threat To People. I Don’t Understand Why You Wouldn’t Want A Map With Giraffes And Elephants? They’re All Legally Huntable Animals, Especially In Namibia, Where Hunting Is The Reason Why Lions, Elephants, And Giraffes Live There In Healthy Populations. The Cape/Southern Giraffe Has An Incredibly Healthy Population In Namibia And South Africa, With Nearly 45,000 Healthy Individuals. Elephants, Specifically African Bush Elephants, Have An Especially Healthy Population In South Africa And Namibia, Only Beaten In Total Population By Botswana And Gabon.

[proper vessel]

Here you can read (in simple words without scientific or legal terms) how the CITES Endangered species system is applied to assign categories to each animal that is subject to trade and harvest.
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/endangered-species/

1) Population reduction rate is the reason why Elephants are still in the Endangered category.

[golden meadow]

Despite The Fact That They Are Increasing In Population In Nearly Every Country They Can Be Found In? They’re Only Really Declining In Eastern Africa. Southern And Western Africa South Of The Sahel Still Has A Large And Thriving Elephant Population. Either Way, Their Status Shouldn’t Change Their Ability To Be In COTW. Same Goes For Saiga Antelope.

[modest current]

Oh yeah Saiga just got moved to Near-Threatened recently on the ICUN Redlist, plus Kazakhstan is either looking to reopen hunting or already has

[golden meadow]

Kazakhstan Has Reopened Limited Hunting For Saiga. They Had (Or Still Have) A Culling Program Happening To Bring The Population Down By Around 30,000 Because They Keep Getting In Farmers Fields And Destroying Them.

[proper vessel]

12 million was the elephant population, it would have to rise to 6 million to get out of the system, that is the problem..

It is different with other animals, such as the Saiga or the European Bison, which historically had smaller populations, so their population recovered quite quickly.

[modest current]

Then you got the Southern White Rhinoceros (https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/39317/45814320) which is also listed as Near-Threatened on the ICUN Redlist

[proper vessel]

Precisely on that page where the Population is listed in Description and Supplementary Information, there is the justification that was used to determine the threat level.

[golden meadow]

I Can Guarantee That The Euro Bison Population Was Higher That 12k Previously. They’re Near Threatened And Their Population Is Only At 6k.

[golden meadow]

Also, Saiga Antelope Once Had A Population Of Over 10 Million Ranging From Romania To Mongolia. They’re Now At Only 2 Million, Meaning That Theoretically They Shouldn’t Be Considered Near Threatened Under The ICUN Guidelines.

[proper vessel]

Here is the justification for the change in category of the Saiga, they are completely different numbers and trends than those of elephants
https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/19832/233712210#habitat-ecology

[proper vessel]

In any case, any complaint about the classification system is irrelevant since it is carried out by an international commission through population studies that are carried out over 10 years by different scientific organizations. It is a system with a general standard to apply to all species.
Although the numbers are high, the standards measure only percentage terms, that is the reason why a general and scientific report is presented to detail the data taken into account and the application carried out.

[golden meadow]

Either Way, I Feel That The Conservation Status Shouldn’t Matter So Long As The Species Is Legal To Hunt. It’s A Video Game, Poachers Don’t Take Inspiration From That. This Whole Debate About Elephants And Other Species Listed As Endangered Is Stupid. If The Species Can Be Legally Hunted In The Country A Map Is Set In, There Should Be No Issue With Putting Them On That Map.

[proper vessel]

Until now the studio took this into account, but if they change it and take into account that "in certain regions they can be hunted" there would be no problem.

[polar reef]

At the very least, it won't be a finalising factor. It's a bit of a strawman argument, really. Lions are listed as vulnerable so they're okay to hunt because they're not specifically classed as endangered? According to the WWF, there are approximately 23000 lions left in the world, compared to 415,000 African elephants. We can go around in circles all day, throwing stat against stat.

Ultimately, the EW team will decide (if they haven't done already) based on many factors, including the very strong interest from the community to have them in the game. No one here will be making that decision. We will know when Africa 2.0 is released and no sooner.

[golden meadow]

Exactly.

[polar reef]

Or Africa 3.0, or 4.0. I can wait... 😖

No, I can't. 😂