Blowguns and Throwing Spears

[wind river]

Some more primitive technology beside the bow that I can see in theHunter

[upper star]

It seems to only be allowed in certain states, 4 to be infact, Alabama, Hawaii, Nebraska and Oklahoma, even then in Oklahoma it's only legal in specific cases, such as frog hunting.

But it would be very interesting to see spears either way.

[wind river]

Then there's guys like Tim Wells yeetin' spears at Gemsbok

https://youtube.com/shorts/gL9u5idveVE?si=LnzPcjo_WP7ocfoF

Image a Great one with the Spear too?

[thorn valve]

Hello Good Gunner 502,

Thank you for your suggestion to introduce more primitive technology like blowguns and throwing spears to the game. We appreciate your creativity and ideas for expanding the hunting experience.

While we can't make promises about immediate implementation, your feedback is valuable, and we'll certainly consider such additions as we explore ways to enhance the game.

Your input helps us create a more diverse and enjoyable hunting environment for our players.

[light stirrup]

My post abt the spear did terrible and was told wasn't legal or was ethical

[upper star]

Don’t take it too hard,you’ll get there.

[light stirrup]

Your the one who said it 😭😭

[upper star]

On your sea hunting one???

Because on that one I was prompting you to make that it’s own idea,add some maps

[light stirrup]

I dont remember but I did mention spears and you said it's not ethical but it's alr I'll jus like this one

[upper star]

Ooohhh,that one,if I remember correctly I said “some may find that unethical”.

[light stirrup]

Well IF thst was the case sorry for acusing you

[humble walrus]

This is a really neat idea! As humans who can sweat, we are endurance hunters that can exhaust our prey. This level of technology is the root of our heritage. Imagine spearing a boar from a tree-stand using that electric predator caller they’re releasing! That sounds like an interesting experience! 😃

[wind river]

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[past nexus]

You could reply to them that this is a pretty arcade-ish game for a sim and there are a lot of things we can do here that are very unethical in real life anyways, for example hunting endangered animals like Iberian Wolves and Caribous, and I'm sure many people would love to have a map with rhinos, tigers or polar bears. imho fun should be prioritized instead of realism and ethics, atleast regarding this game.

[light stirrup]

It should be balanced fun and realistic we don't want this game to be too easy and boring

[past nexus]

true

[severe night]

They are not animals categorized as Endangered

[upper star]

There’s multiple species of caribou.We do not have woodland caribou ingame,please look up the ranges!

[noble zephyr]

I did include Boreal Woodland Caribou on my Whiterime Ridge reserve as one of 2 caribou present

[upper star]

It seems to be very local based,Woodland Caribou are endangered in Quebec but not one of the many Island on the Canadian east coast where hunting of them takes place.

[noble zephyr]

Yeah, it really does depend on the Caribou herd or population

[wind river]

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[past nexus]

😮 I've been lied about the Iberian wolf all my life xd they are in the threatened group, which imho is still dickish from someone if they dared to do what we do ingame... Thanks for the correction tho, better being humbled than staying ignorant.

[wind river]

This went from a suggestion to a debate about wolves

[severe night]

I suppose that the confusion arises from a question of translation and terminology, when an animal is threatened it is usually said that it is "endangered (in danger of extinction)", but when it comes to legal terminologies and categories of species the word -Endangered- is a label used to group animals that are "at risk of disappearing from nature, their habitat and their country of origin". When an animal enters this list and has that label, the countries where these animals live that are affiliated The Nature Conservation Treaties and the International Trade Treaty must enact federal laws to prevent animals from becoming extinct, prohibit or strongly regulate their hunting (Normally they are immediately removed from the lists of legal hunting animals) and regulate their transport according to international laws.

[upper star]

Well,it went from the ethicality of spears and blowguns to the ethicality of some of the species in game.

[wind river]

I'm just trying to play payday and I got a debate going on in my post

[hearty imp]

let hunt caveman style

hooh bonk bear on head with rock club

[wind river]

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[severe night]

Every so often this suggestion appears so I'll just say this and leave it handy to copy and paste every time xD

Hunting spears are not legal hunting weapons due to several reasons:
-It is not possible to determine its level of lethality, this will depend 100% on its user, so the state authorities cannot verify it individually for each one, any weapon that cannot kill an animal in a single shot is not considered Ethical, it is The same logic applies to hunting calibers for each animal.
-It requires getting too close to the animal, which in many cases requires using baits (which are not legal in many countries), if not used, it requires using a lot of camouflaged equipment to go unnoticed by the animal, which greatly increases the risk of suffering an accident. hunting incident.
-The 2 conditions of approach that I name cannot be met on public hunting lands, state hunting laws must be universal and cover all lands, if something does not suit one then it is not legal on any of them.

The same thing happens with Blowguns, are not categorized as legal hunting weapons., their use is illegal in all countries that are not in Africa (or Argentina in private lands), hunting poison is illegal, unethical and its sale and manufacture is prohibited (Some indigenous tribes use them but they do not need hunting licenses xD), added to the fact that in the game less 5% of players can approach an animal within 10m to use them, the only animals in the game that can be hunted with them without using poison without the rabbits, which are quite blind and one can even step on them.

Both weapons, if introduced into the game, would only be "fodder for hackers" who freeze animals or become invisible.

For the vast majority of players they would be useless weapons since it is easier to shoot an animal from a distance than to invest 20 minutes of time to get 10 meters closer to an animal (Something that is currently almost impossible due to the new spook distance of the animals).
Just look at the number of requests to add big guns or extend the render distance :S

[wind river]

I ain't reading allat

[hallow latch]

I like idea yet with spook distance as it is would be frustrating even with the limited range on bow due to render issues of the game.

[wind river]

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[proven furnace]

Aka it’s illegal irl so why make people think they can do it

[wind river]

Because this is a video game, not irl

[proven furnace]

But people can be dumb

[wind river]

Not everything needs to be perfect

Like the fact I can shoot 2 whitetail at once still

That's not accurate

[proven furnace]

True, but that is a virtual glitch, and not a felony

[wind river]

Cotw is one of those games that's not gonna be Hell Let Loose or DayZ Real life accurate/perfect

Everything doesn't have to be spot on

[proven furnace]

My opinion remains unchanged, but for the sake of wanting to sleep, I will let the developers decide.

[wind river]

I'm trying to play War Thunder and I just got straffed by Mig-15 because of this debate so yeah, let's just stop

[humble walrus]

☝️ Try searching Atlatls, it’s a recognized hunting spear for public land that’s listed for multiple states in the U.S. Ie: Atlatls may be used to take wildlife except black bears. - General Information, Hunting and Trapping regulations 2023. (Just above Motor Driven Vehicles and Boats that says I can hunt other wildlife from a boat if the motor is shut off and the boats forward progress has stopped.) 🤣

A spear-thrower, spear-throwing lever, or atlatl is a tool that uses leverage to achieve greater velocity in dart or javelin-throwing, and includes a bearing surface that allows the user to store energy during the throw.

https://youtu.be/w-o2O9pFDsM?si=szdU05O7dcheIEZO

Also, it’s played it’s part in why you’re considered an A-Pex predator.

Regarding the argument of ethical hunting and spear devices, it depends on how you were raised, your personal hunting proficiencies, and what cultural values you have. Subjective.

[ FACT ] 👉 In the U.S. in the state of Missouri (2023,) Atlatls are considered legal for game with the exception of black bear.

Not to mention, it’s a hunting game, there’s a plethora of games out there where you can hunt with spears. 🫠

As to the repeated copy/pasted message of stating, in-game “less than 5% of players can approach an animal within 10M,” is not a surprise. How much incentive or necessity is there for players to do so without a weapon platform that requires it.

In game, I personally have no problem getting close to animals, especially when dealing with species that may become aggressive and charge.

I’ve seen lots of content where creators are getting in close with crossbows and bows for obvious reasons.

And regarding, “hackers..” They are going to do whatever they want anyway. 🤷‍♂️

Broad stroke phrases like, “Illegal in all countries” doesn’t hold water when you think about it in regard to spear hunting.

[severe night]

It is not subjective, in hunting the word Ethical is a legal term used to define those modalities to kill an animal with the least possible suffering and disruption.
It is legal support to defend the hunting modality in accordance with international laws and treaties on animal abuse.
Each country has its permits and list of hunting "tools" (rifles, pistols, calibers, weapons, traps dogs, etc.) considered powerful enough (not excessive) to kill an animal quickly (ethical).

[humble walrus]

Mmmm, I bet this deer chilly sure will taste just as ethical as it is legal. 😋

[chilly wigeon]

Bump. Spears and blowguns (if used responsibly and efficiently) are far more lethal than an arrow or bullet.
Spears for big game take a minute or two to expire, versus an arrow which may take slightly longer (I'm talking about animals the size of buffalo)
Blowguns are great for smaller game, and even small-medium sized game like hogs and coyotes.

There is nothing incredibly unethical about spears and blowguns -- it's just controversial because it seems so primitive and "unnecessary", but bows are no different from this ideology.

COTW is not reflective of real-world laws or politics, nor is it reflective of real world species endangerment. Introducing spears and blowguns does not encourage unethical hunting in the slightest.

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[lunar sapphire]

Bump! I also made a post about these while including atlatls, didn't notice someone else made a really good post about them!

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[humble walrus]

Just a friendly heads up:

“Bumping” doesn’t move the thread to the top of the list anymore.

It was disabled some time ago, and I think it’s prohibited now.