huge new species/backfill update

[last phoenix]

I think that the next big update should be a revamp of existing maps not adding a new one. Some of the older maps seem like they have been left in the dust a little by all the new features of the new maps. I would add species to every map and also remodel some species as well as separating some species into two subspecies (whitetail/coues, etc.) Let me know what you all think.

Layton-
Mountain Lion, Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep, Mountain Goat
Moose -> Shiras’ Moose

Hirschfelden-
European Mouflon, Raccoon, Raccoon Dog, Capercaillie, Black Grouse

MedVed-
Red Fox, Mountain Hare, Black Grouse, Willow Ptarmigan, Rock Ptarmigan
Moose-> Yakutia Moose
Brown Bear -> Siberian Brown Bear

Vurhonga-
No backfills

Parque Fernando-
Class 6- Père David's Deer
Class 4- Jacob’s Sheep
Class 1- Spotted Nothura, Picazuro Pigeon, Eared Dove, Fulvous Whistling Duck, Rosy-billed Pochard, Chiloe Wigeon, Red Shoveler
Remodel peccary into White-lipped Peccary

Yukon-
Class 4- Dall Sheep
Class 2- Wolverine, Arctic Fox
Class 1- Snowshoe Hare, White-tailed Ptarmigan, Alaskan Hare, Emperor Geese, White-fronted Geese, Sandhill Crane
Remodel moose as Alaskan Moose
Remodel Caribou as Barren Ground Caribou

Cuatro Colinas
Class 4- Barbary Sheep
Class 3- Chamois
Class 1- Red-legged Partridge, Wood Pigeon

I will be working on my ideas for the rest of the maps soon

[zinc ruin]

Man, this might be the ultimate backfilling list

[last phoenix]

Yeah that’s why i feel like it would replace one of the new map updates

[knotty girder]

The Brown Bears on Medved are Siberian Brown Bears though……
Also should point out that Medved is likely too far south for Arctic Fox (the ones in Russia are fairly close to the coast), so it is unlikely to work out and I hate to say it but Red Fox are the most realistic inclusion

Also the only snow sheep subspecies that might work for Medved are the Yakutia Snow Sheep (https://www.slamquest.org/animal-details.php?a=37), Okhotsk Snow Sheep (https://www.slamquest.org/animal-details.php?a=36) or the Kolyma Snow Sheep (https://www.slamquest.org/animal-details.php?a=34)
Those 3 subspecies potentially share range with the Siberian Musk Deer hence why I chose them

As for the Bison on Yukon Valley, the Plains Bison are fine as they are and don’t need to be changed out for Wood Bison because at this time it is Plains Bison that are hunted in Alaska

Wood Bison were only reintroduced to Alaska in 2015 where as Plains Bison were introduced in 1928 because at the time they thought all the pure-bred Wood Bison were extinct
(https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=plainsbison.main)

(Snow Sheep in picture)

[last phoenix]

Yeah the subspecies of snow sheep would be interesting i don’t know if they would even specify because it’s doubtful they would get added to another map, and yeah the red fox would probably work better.
The reason i said the thing abt siberian brown bears is so that the reventuli bears could be changed to european brown bears which are smaller, so it wouldn’t really be a remodel for medved.
You’re right about the bison for some reason I had it switched in my head that plains bison just got introduced and wood bison were the ones that are hunted, probably because of WOTH.

[lunar crypt]

Baboon would fit better in class 3.There’s also African Crested Porcupine which could either be Class 2 or 3,Suni-Class 1/2 Red,Grey,Blue Duiker-Class 2 and of course,The infamous Helmeted Guineafowl-Class 1

I also think you meant Rename instead of remodel.

[last phoenix]

There’s so many options for Vurhonga, also some would need a newer model some wouldn’t, for example Shiras moose are about half the size of alaskan moose, and rocky mountain mule deer looks a lot different than desert muleys

[last phoenix]

CONT.

SRP-
Class 5- Gray Wolf
Class 2- Red Fox, American Badger, Coyote, Striped Skunk
Class 1- Black-tailed Prairie Dog, Yellow-bellied Marmot, Prairie Chicken, Sage Grouse, Sharp-tailed Grouse
Remodel moose to Shiras Moose
Remodel mule deer to Rocky Mountain Mule Deer
Remodel bighorn to Rocky Mountain Bighorn

Te Awaroa
Class 7- Rocky Mountain Elk
Class 6- Rusa, Sambar
Class 4- Arapawa Ram, Himalayan Tahr
Class 2- Red-Necked Wallaby
Class 1- Painted Paradise Duck, Gray Duck, Black Swan, Ring-tailed Pheasant

Rancho
Class 9- Plains Bison
Class 5- Mountain Lion
Class 4- Barbary Sheep
Class 1- White-winged Dove, Gambel’s Quail Mourning Dove, Montezuma Quail, Scaled Quail
Remodel whitetail to Coues Deer!!
Remodel muleys to Desert Mule Deer
Remodel bighorns to Desert Bighorn Sheep

Mississippi
Class 2- North American Beaver, Nutria, Striped Skunk
Class 1- Gray Squirrel, Swamp Rabbit, Mourning Dove, American Wigeon, Northern Shoveler, Blue-Winged Teal, American Black Duck, Ruddy Duck

Revontuli
Class 2- Eurasian Beaver
Class 1- European Pine Marten, More Waterfowl?
Remodel moose to European Moose
Remodel brown bears to European Brown Bears
Not many changes to be made to this map

New England
Class 1- Ruffed Grouse, Hungarian Partridge, Snowshoe Hare, Woodcock, More Waterfowl
Remodel moose to Eastern Moose

Emerald Coast
Class 9- Water Buffalo
Class 2- Feral Cat
Class 1- Chukar, Crested Pigeon, Peafowl, Pink-eared Duck, Chestnut Teal, Australian Shelduck, Plumed Whistling Duck

[lunar crypt]

I’d honestly love to see the main 3 small canids on SRP specifically for a coyote remodel.

[knotty girder]

Right off the bat I have one thing to say about Grizzly Bears and Wolves on SRP: It does not need to happen as not every reserve needs large predators (plus grizzly bears in the lower 48 are protected as far as I know)

Everything else regarding your additions too SRP is fine though

You are also right about the bears on Medved being the same ones on Revontouli

I should add to that point that their scientific name Ursus arctos collaris comes from the white collar that a fair number of bears have

[last phoenix]

It’s just an idea as wolves are very commonly hunted in most of the states in the northern rockies, and grizzly hunts do happen in some areas of the lower 48, obviously not as commonly as alaska or canada, but they would fit although not necessary.

[knotty girder]

If grizzly bears are being hunted in the lower 48, then I must of missed it
Because grizzly bears in the lower 48 have not been delisted yet
(https://freerangeamerican.us/feds-near-grizzly-bear-delisting/)

And even if they do get delisted, it only applies to Idaho, Montana & Wyoming, not Colorado

[last phoenix]

You’re right I thought they had a sort of governors tag for them like they do for certain sheep species but they don’t

[last phoenix]

Finished concepts for every map, let me know of any more important or wanted species, or subspecies that should be added!!

[karmic rover]

Rocky Mountain Elk, Sambar and Pheasants for Te Aweroa 👌🏻

[nimble raptor]

I’d like to see fallow on vurhonga, parque & cuatro

[last phoenix]

the problem with elk in nz is that there are virtually no free range herds left, sambar and pheasants would work nicely tho imo

[last phoenix]

This would work for all of the maps but I don’t think the devs would make another fallow map being as they’re on a lot already

[errant canopy]

This is an amazing list, but I would change/add few things to it.

Layton Lakes

• Mule Deer

Medved-Taiga
• Northern Lights.

Vurhonga

• Hyenas

Parque Fernando

• Caiman

Yukon Valley
• Northern Lights

Emerald Coast
° instead of Feral Cats, Dingos would be better.

[lunar crypt]

I don’t know about caiman,it seems to be based in the south,when caiman are generally more north,But,the addition of the pampas would suggest it’s a little bit of both northern and southern

[errant canopy]

Their homerange can be only the northern swamps of the map, not the eastern

[last phoenix]

Blacktail are a subspecies of mule deer
The northern lights would be awesome I was only looking at species though
Hyenas would be a great addition
I agree with what @lunar crypt said about the caiman, but it might work
I’m pretty sure dingoes don’t live where emerald coast is supposed to be set, but i’m not sure

[knotty girder]

If the inclusion of Collared Peccary to Parque is described as a bit of a stretch, then the caiman would be too

But for the sake of caiman inclusion, the closest species to Parque geographically are the Yacare Caiman and the Broad-snouted Caiman

For my South American waterfowl focused area (https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1070132029905178645) I personally went with Yacare (mind you my SA Waterfowl area is in Northern Argentina)

Now for Parque’s northern swamps you could go with either species

First Image: Yacare Caiman
Second Image: Broad-snouted Caiman

I also included a range map of the Dingo

[last phoenix]

Yeah i’ve always thought that the javelina could be changed to white lipped peccary on parque, but yeah either caiman species could work imo

[lunar crypt]

I’ve always hated the fact they used collard peccary for Parque.

[errant canopy]

I think if Emerald Coast is based on Northeastern Australia, Dingos can be added based on that map

[knotty girder]

I mean both peccary species live in Argentina

[last phoenix]

yeah it would just be more unique if they’re going to add a peccary

[merry totem]

Could we have missions, too? And a more levels?

As I recall, Dingoes are an introduced, invasive species. So sure, lets have a varmint predator(besides the million red foxes) on Emerald coast.

[last phoenix]

dingoes are actually australias only native canine, i think they would fit well on the map idk about realism though. as for missions and levels that would be amazing as well

[merry totem]

As I said:
https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/arrival-of-the-dingo

[karmic rover]

The argument against that is also there are no Sika in the south island where the map is based so my thoughts are Elk as a creative liberty as they are our countries biggest trophy species

[last phoenix]

i agree that elk would be awesome on TA and they need another map so it might work

[bitter moss]

New Zealand should get tar and feral sheep

[errant canopy]

Can't Elk be added to Yukon?

[last phoenix]

elk don’t live in the interior of alaska where yukon is set

[hoary crow]

This is why I made the British Columbia map so this Roosevelt Elk range problem could be fixed. It would be nice to have them on a third map. Maybe Kodak island map.

[last phoenix]

A kodiak island map would be amazing but I feel like it’s lower on the list of priorities for the devs versus some other fully new map ideas. I think just adding RM elk to te awaroa would be awesome

[merry totem]

You do realise that Layon is basically British Colombia ...

[hoary crow]

@merry totem You do realize Layton doesn't have Stone sheep, Rocky Mountain Elk ,Wolverine , Dall sheep, Mountain goats, Fallow Deer and Probably some others I'm missing as well. If you look in the comments of my suggestion you would see that has been discussed with pictures and maps showing it is mainly based in the U.S. in Oregon and Washington. You can't have the northern lights on Layton also.

[knotty girder]

It’s not really, it is more based in Washington/Oregon

British Columbia does not have
• Mount St. Helens
• Northern Pacific Railway
• Oregon Trail

[fleet pawn]

Wolverines should get added to Revontuli too if they get added to Yukon Valley.

[knotty girder]

I personally would like to see beavers on Revontouli myself

[fleet pawn]

It would be sick, but im pretty sure there arent alot of rivers on revontuli??? Idk if they would work that good at revon because of that

[lunar crypt]

That reminds me,I’m always surprised SRP doesn’t have more beautiful creeks and rivers

[hoary crow]

Beavers don't have to have rivers. They just need a year round water source. I would love to see Beavers and Wolverine on Revontuli but with it having 19 Species already would that even be a possibility?

[fleet pawn]

Im sure that it would work fine, atleast one more?

[errant canopy]

The engine that COTW is built on, aren't allowing to make rivers and waterfalls, but I absolutely agree that having waterfalls and rivers on SRP would make it the ultimate Rocky Mountain hunting experience, especially if we had black bears feeding on top of the small waterfalls in the rivers catching fish .... imagine coming down from the mountains to the river and seeing all kinds of wildlife close or far, especially if the render distance was further.

[zinc ruin]

The Layton Lake trophy cabin also has an American flag outside iirc, so that basically confirms that Layton in the U.S. because it would make no sense to have an American flag outside if it's set in Canada

It seems to me, based on the animal species present, the presence of Alpine Larch trees in the mountainous areas of the map, and the general terrain of the map, that Layton is located in the North Cascades of Washington state. As you can see on this map, the North Cascades do extend into British Columbia a little bit, but all the other signs hint toward Layton being located in the U.S., so logically it has to be in Washington.

[hoary crow]

I believe it actually extends further south than what is in the red outline because of the oregon trail reference and Mt Saint Helens reference. Mount Saint Helens is in southern Washington. I can see it from my backyard.

[hoary crow]

@zinc ruin You are correct on the flag, so unless British Columbia is American now it's definitely not in British Columbia

[lucid pebble]

remodeling whitetail to coues deer wouldn't work, coues deer are very close to them but way smaller. it would have to be added as a new species.

[lucid pebble]

sitka blacktail too on yukon

[last phoenix]

this is what i meant, it should be a new species, they’re so different irl it makes no sense for them to just be normal whitetail on rancho

[last phoenix]

sitka blacktail don’t live in the interior of alaska

[lucid pebble]

whitetail are in mexico too, known as desert whitetails. just add the coues deer to the map as a whole species and leave the whitetail deer there.

[lucid pebble]

but with the river area, it also simulates the coastal part of alaska. i think they would fit well in that area of the map.

[knotty girder]

Not really, Sitka Deer are not known to live anywhere in the Yukon River Basin where the reserve is meant to be based in

[fleet pawn]

I suggested a Swedish Reserve on the island of Öland ( #1131559205975904316 for those interested ) which has a few species that could get added to a few maps.

Revontuli:
Cranes
Badger
Long Tailed Duck

Hirschfelden:
Cranes
Badger
Beaver

Medved Taiga:
Cranes (maybe???)
Long Tailed Duck
Badger (maybe???)

New England:
Long Tailed Duck

Layton:
Badger
Beaver

Cuatro Colinas:
Badger
Cranes

Yukon:
Long Tailed Duck
Beaver

releasied that most these maps dont mean anything without context so ye

1. Long Tailed Duck
2. Grey Seal
3. Crane.
4. beaver
5. Badgers

[lunar crypt]

Hirsh Isn’t coastal…It’s a lake…

[fleet pawn]

oh mb kinda looked like a coast

[last phoenix]

coues and whitetail do not share range though, northern mexico where rancho is set is 100% coues deer country, not regular whitetail

[last phoenix]

beavers and badgers could work on several maps and should definitely be added, cranes would be interesting on revontuli, and more waterfowl would be welcome anywhere imo

bumping this

[last phoenix]

@tranquil tree

[tranquil tree]

Barbary sheep yesssss finally someone as well who said it

[last phoenix]

yeah they’re free range in west texas and northern mexico

[tranquil tree]

Barbary sheep and mountain lions would be really good in rancho

[lunar crypt]

I don’t think anyone would want mtn lions.I think Barbary Sheep and Bison would be perfect

[last phoenix]

just for realism imo they would fit nicely even if it’s a small population

[hoary sparrow]

Keep in mind, there are limits as to how big the animal population can be on a map or the game just will not run well. That means, for example, if mountain lions were added to Layton, they might need to cut down on the number of Whitetails and elk to make room. Smaller populations of individual species mean you will not find them as often (the maps are huge). The result might not be ideal (e.g., only 20 male mountain lions spread out over the entire map, and tiny whitetail and elk populations as well)

[lucid pebble]

but it also makes no sense to remove the species from the map after its been there for 2 years, plus it would affect peoples great one grinds.

[last phoenix]

bump

[last phoenix]

bump

[runic stag]

Definetly a need

[last phoenix]

bump

[tranquil tree]

Bump

[brittle lodge]

now this is an observation, but hirschfeldon and layton do not have any predators that scare animals, most likely for beginner players, so i would say no to mt lions on layton.

also yukon could have mt goats, roosevelt elk and blacktail, but make them smaller and call them sitka blacktails. Also te awaroa could have Tahr (class 4)

[tranquil tree]

Mountain Goat, Blacktail and Roosevelt Elk would be a great addition to Yukon. People say that it wouldn't be realistic for roseys to be added to Yukon but we have Eurasian Wigeon on Vurhonga and they are in northern and central Africa. So I don't think it would be a big deal if they did add them

[brittle lodge]

an extra map for them would be awesome

[lunar crypt]

And everyone who says it’s unrealistic to have roosies on Yukon usually also think that Eurasian Wigeon on vurhonga wasn’t a great idea.

[brittle lodge]

Also pere davids deer is extinct in the wild, so I doubt EW would add them

[tranquil tree]

That's true. If we get a northern african map in the future we could have the eurasian wigeon there instead of Vurhonga. There is a small number of Roosevelt in the yukon so it wouldn't be too unrealistic I think. Or if we were to get a Kodiak Islands map they could be there instead

[lunar crypt]

Banteng are nearly extinct in their native environment,they are in the game because they are invasive just like Pere David’s Deer.

[brittle lodge]

ok didn't know that, thanks!

[knotty girder]

My #1183613914773200906 is pretty close to North Africa yet I excluded Eurasian Wigeon in favour of waterfowl species found year-round in Africa

I do also remember seeking a particular Kodiak Islands reserve including Roosevelt’s Elk and this is the one: https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1118713888410706042

[last phoenix]

gonna be updating this today, new species could mean more backfills and more map revamps