horses for quick and quiet travel

[half pulsar]

Horses would be a great dlc the horse dlc could feature a horse saddle bag similar to the ones in red dead 2 that will hold weapons and other such things. Horses could be a great aspect to the game there are many people who hunt using horses in real life. Horses would be a more quiet way of travel or at least more quiet than the atv. This being said you could store weapons in the horse saddle bag and get through the map in a more quiet manor

[prisma pasture]

Horses would be so cool.

[exotic vapor]

They would be pretty handy for the mountains of my Central Asian reserve: https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1119449859297132564

[fair rampart]

what influence from predators on horse traveling throwing off the saddle and running away?
what noise range u propose?

[untold dove]

Now I’m not op but I would think probably have a few speeds if you want it to go faster you just click a. Button that would increase the speed.Speeds 1-2 would produce 1 bar of noise,Speed 3 would produce 2 bars of noice and 4 would produce 3 bars

[half pulsar]

@untold dove that's a great idea and would work greatly

[prisma pasture]

We are talking about white bars correct?

[untold dove]

Yeah

[midnight spade]

Traveling on horseback would be really neat, and would be especially useful when you're exploring a new map

[elder gyro]

i like this idea but there needs to be some form of compensation with this so that walking doesnt become irrelevant lol. also a horse at full gallop should be at least the same noise level as sprinting lol. Of course it would also greatly increase visibility so thats a potential draw

[untold dove]

Alright,Speeds 3-4 Are full red noise bars 4 being louder but not shown (for design reasons)

[hardy idol]

If the same programming for the ATV could be used for a horse, only a new object (horse) and a new sound file would be needed. That could be something we would get. As long as people keep in mind that the game likely won't be focusing on neither dogs nor horses as such, but hunting. Since it is a hunting game.

[pure fog]

i would imagine there would be pros and cons for horseback travel, while i would also prefer it. but i would imagine the pros would be quieter travel both on and offroad, able to traverse dense terrain that an ATV cant normally climb up, additional storage space for weapons,items/tent, be able to detect an animal's location more efficiently than the bloodhound with. and the cons would be: The horse would be flighty or spooky when entering a zone for predators of any kind, animals would be able to see you a lot clearer for certain game you're wanting to hunt. and if unattended for sometime when dismounted the horse would walk off and wander unless it learns to stay put through level perks.

[onyx dew]

yes please I hate engine roar in the forest. Besides human on horseback do not scare wildlife so much

[austere surge]

You could add saddle customization as well.

[austere surge]

Bump

[fresh kayak]

yes please! horses!

[untold dove]

Imagine using the stables at Rancho to start your journey!

[fresh kayak]

right?! get on that you awesome devs!

[untold dove]

Add a few stables to parque,ranch to srp (to train and understand your horse) at least at first to make sure the workload isn’t to big.

[frigid nova]

Interesting idea ☝🏻🤔

[warm anchor]

A properly trained horse will not just readily throw off it's rider.

https://youtu.be/bhWCymdwlHE

[untold dove]

It would be for balancing.

It would be a skill improved as you take out your equine companion,creating a bond,trust.

[warm anchor]

Admittedly, I would suggest a mule more than a horse, especially for mobility and pack weight reasons.
https://youtu.be/hpyb5FJdIUY
You could maybe select skill trees that would make it so your mule will attack and kill predators up to class 5.

[untold dove]

Horses are more readily used for hunting across the world.

[warm anchor]

That's not really true, mules are accessible anywhere in the world and are known for their ability as surefooted pack animals.

[untold dove]

I don’t think you read it correctly,most people use horses for hunting instead of mules,most of which are only used for transportation.

[warm anchor]

I did. Mules are generally better. I think mules are very commonly used for hunting as well.

They can carry more and are more stable on their feet. They can climb more areas than horses can, and have higher stamina.

[untold dove]

Horses are also infinitely more popular for hunting.If you want to talk so much about Climbing and being stable on their feet,might as well add Domesticated Llamas.

[warm anchor]

Pack llamas are like 10 deviations below mule for hunting in terms of popularity. They can't be ridden. It would just be portable storage, and at that point you could just do pack goats, because they're better natured than llamas.

[untold dove]

Might as well be able to tame animals like Minecraft then.

[warm anchor]

????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW7aytlFaKY Have you never seen pack goats? Do you think I'm saying animals should be tamed for hauling? I'm talking about literal domestic goats hauling your equipment.

Talking about a rideable, large animal that is surefooted and well-tempered and better for hunting and transportation than a horse doesn't mean that you "may as well add domestic llamas or tame animals"

[untold dove]

Yes I know that Pack goats are a thing,I’m merely poking at your “point”.

The entire point of this suggestion is to have a Fast,Quiet,and popular,Horse give you a better field of vison as they are Way taller,making it far easier to shoot animals.

[warm anchor]

Mules aren't slow, and they can be quite tall

https://youtu.be/gMTA9khCToQ?t=42 timestamped.

[untold dove]

They are slower than horses,and they aren’t as tall as horses.

[warm anchor]

I don't think you know the actual range of mules that there are. Being 10mph slower doesn't really make a huge difference, especially given that running at full speed does alert and scare off animals, and thus doesn't make a difference.

[untold dove]

Sure,they aren’t slow and they are big but not nearly as big as horses.

[warm anchor]

???? A mule is literally half horse. This one is 17hh.

[untold dove]

Most people want horses for an ATV alternative,so yes,Top speed matters.

[warm anchor]

Okay, but horses aren't an ATV alternative. They have stamina. They can't run at 50mph forever.

[untold dove]

I’m not uneducated,I know what a mule is.

[warm anchor]

Their eyes are also wider-set, so they have a larger field of view for detecting animals.

[untold dove]

I’m also not an idiot,I know horses are living breathing animals,I never said they should be able to run at the same speed for as long as you want

[warm anchor]

Mules have more stamina and would be more suited to that purpose.

[untold dove]

Doesn’t mean much when you are higher up and can see further.

[warm anchor]

Okay, how many hands high would you want the horse to be. What breed. Think within feasability for the devs, you can't just have 6 horse breeds of varying skill.

[untold dove]

Horses are faster so you can get to your location faster without losing too much stamina.

[warm anchor]

By like 10mph it's a literal minute apart at most. This is proven with testing out speeding on highways or not speeding. It was a test done on the autobahn. The effective speed is the same, plus or minus a few minutes.

[untold dove]

There are literally zero visible cons to horses,why are you arguing with me on the obvious correct answer,you just like to argue don’t you???

[warm anchor]

The con is that they aren't as sure footed. They are more likely to trip going up hills or minor rocky surfaces. They are more prone to flighty behaviour. They carry less weight.

What horse breed, singular, would you add, if your argument is height and speed. I don't argue "just to argue", I argue because when I think something is wrong I point it out, just like you.

[untold dove]

100% you can.The base breed would be the classic Mustang,perfect all rounder,Tennessee Walker,good for holding stamina,Rocky Mountain Horse perfect for high altitude excursions, Andalusian great for not being scared when near predators.

[warm anchor]

Mustangs are between 14-15hh.

Quarter horses are about 14.3-14.5 hands high. TNWH are about 14.3-17hh. MFT are 14-16hh. APH are 14-16hh. Appaloosa are between 14.2-16hh. Morgans are 14.1-15.2hh. Thoroughbred are 15.2-17hh. Dutch warmblood are 16.2hh to 17hh. Andalusians are between 15.2-16.2hh. They are not incredibly tall horses.

[untold dove]

Hence “All rounder”.

[warm anchor]

Ponies are 14.19hh or less.

[untold dove]

That’s not even all of the breeds they could add! There’s much more,like Belgian Draft,Clydesdale,Throughbred,American Paint,Criollo,all with unique colors.

[warm anchor]

What about rocky mountain horses are perfect for high altidude excursions. Can they climb literal rocks. TWH are high stamina, I agree.

This isn't a horse sim game, I doubt they're going to add that many breeds to a game they're probably going to sunset in 2-3 years. Belgian draft do not have speed, and they are not surefooted on uneven terrain. They're basically flat trodders. American paint were already mentioned as APH. As were thorouoghbred.

[untold dove]

They are a very tough breed,great for trails,very strong and doesn’t tire out from climbing up and down mountains.

[warm anchor]

I also really doubt they'd want to make gaits for gaited horses.

[untold dove]

I never said anything about speed for Belgian Drafts,as I said,I’m not uneducated.

[warm anchor]

But what purpose do they serve

[untold dove]

Since you know so much more than me in this topic,why don’t you tell me,what Purpose would such a large,strong,intimidating horse purpose serve??? The answer is quite obvious.

[warm anchor]

It wouldn't be able to get away very quickly and they're quite docile. They aren't guard horses. Predators in general are not keen on horses, let alone ones being ridden, because they look much bigger than they are.

[untold dove]

Wow,I didn’t think you’d be able to miss such an obvious answer,incase a predator does try you,it’s quite durability,giving you enough time to place a shot.

[warm anchor]

"It's quite durable" the legs don't differ that much between breeds in durability. The sheer weight under a Clydesdale would make them more likely to damage their limbs.

Mules are just objectively better for something like this and don't need literal tens of thousands of dollars per breed of employee paychecks that could be spent improving the game elsewheres.

[untold dove]

Oh I’m sorry,I thought we were talking about Belgian Drafts,you must not have been paying attention, This conversation is boring me,you bring nothing new or interesting to this thread.

[warm anchor]

Then leave. I'm not paying full attention because I'm cooking.

[austere surge]

Bump

[austere surge]

bump

[mighty cedar]

Customize saddling could be added. What kind of saddle, color, tooling. They could have fun with that.

[stark gale]

It's back! Wish I could vote twice!

[bold spindle]

Maybe these horse:
Akhal-Teke
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Dagat-Geli.jpg/789px-Dagat-Geli.jpg
Opolski koń gorącokrwisty
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Kon.jpg/800px-Kon.jpg?20140112184602
Oldenburg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Bess2.jpg

[warm anchor]

Not sure if Akhal Teke would work, they can carry up to 220lbs at most if they don't have a particularly long back and weak hindquarters/small muzzle, which is a common breed problem. A sturdier horse or mule would work best. As I've said before however, a mule would be best due to their hooves, levelheadedness, endurance and sturdy frame.

This unique structure allows them to climb with high aptitude.

1st video: Broncs & Donks
2nd: Paul Gooch

[bold spindle]

Should be Hucul pony
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Hucul.JPG/800px-Hucul.JPG?20070414192516

[warm anchor]

How's their mountaineering?

[bold spindle]

Hucul pony can easily carry heavy loads on mountain paths.

[stark gale]

🐎

[bold spindle]

I want European horses: Silesian horse, German Riding Pony, Lipizzan, Latvian horse, Lusitano, Pindos Pony

[warm anchor]

I'm not really sure if a ton of breeds (especially with the Lipizzan and Lusitano being both Spanish Baroque breeds with similar specialization) would really be feasible or worthwhile for the devs time

[bold spindle]

I play in Red Dead Online for Horses and I think theHunter COW will be more attractive with different horses. If player want good hunting game the best option is choose bettween Red Dead Online and theHunter COW. Red Dead Online is practically dead game, don't have many new hunting games with horses.

[warm anchor]

RDR2 took like 400M$ to develop and had over 2000 devs with basically unlimited Rockstar money from GTAO

EW has about 50-60 devs iirc, with a way smaller budget mostly just funded by DLCs and game purchases, most of which are on sale when they are purchased.

[bold spindle]

I don't know how cost create one horse but I know No will be one update with add 50 horses, it long process. Step for step to bigger horses base in game.

[warm anchor]

Well you have to assume devs probably get paid like 20-50 euro an hour

[mighty cedar]

And it was so worth it!

But with horses in COW it’s probably going to be more like the dogs

[warm anchor]

I love RDR2's horses, but scope of development money is a real limitation

[bold spindle]

I think one horse in game should be better choice than atv.

[mighty cedar]

Definitely wouldn’t be as detailed(like with the shrinking in the cold)

[bold spindle]

Sometimes satisfaction is important than many details.

[untold dove]

Doesn’t EW have multiple devs from RDR2 on the team???

[crude apex]

Yes, Troy Schram, former designer of RDR and RDR2 is the Lead Game Designer on theHunter:CotW

He joined the team late in 2020 when Te Awaroa was already finishing its development and if I'm not mistaken he only worked on the .303 rifle which turned out very good, then we can see some of his magic in Rancho del Arroyo and Mississippi which he later worked on

[tiny tartan]

Bump

[severe tinsel]

Bump

[patent cape]

If EW release horses and we cant bowhunt riding them I'm gonna cry

[mighty cedar]

An elephant skin saddle with Nile croc belly seat and incredible tooling

[bold spindle]

Nice idea

[wooden pollen]

@copper crag