Backfilling

[lilac hill]

Bighorn Sheep - Layton
Chamois - Hirschfelden
Roe Deer - Medved
Fallow Deer - Vurhonga, Parque Fernando & Cuatro
Blacktail Deer - Yukon Valley
Moose & Whitetail Deer - SRP
Sambar - Te Aworoa
Plains Bison - Rancho
Mallard - Mississippi

[gleaming steppe]

I am disliking specifically for Blacktail on Yukon,As we have Colombian Blacktail In game and not Sitka

And Siberian Roe Deer are quite a bit larger than European roe deer.

[obsidian spire]

Well, we didn't get Coues deer on Rancho. And we certainly didn't get different Spain maps for the four ibex species, which live nowhere near each other IRL.

[gleaming steppe]

That is completely true,we should’ve gotten Coues deer but…we didn’t for some reason.Who knows why we got all four ibex,Blacktail on Yukon is a lot more of a stretch in my opinion

[obsidian spire]

Still better than getting them on SRP.

[gleaming steppe]

True that.

[obsidian spire]

and with how restrictive the range is IRL, they kind of have to stretch it. The other option would be something that looks like a Layton/Yukon hybrid, which I personally would be irritated to get.

Same with Roosevelt elk. There's an introduced population on a small island in Alaska, but that's otherwise it for their range.

[gleaming steppe]

I’d be totally ok with getting a B.C map as one of the last North American Maps.

I think we also have enough moose and whitetail maps I think what srp is missing is something small like a Fox,Red Or gray could do (I prefer Red or they could go the coyote route and rework them

[obsidian spire]

Layton technically is BC

the only NA maps I want to see left are Arctic Canada, and a Central Canada waterfowl map

[gleaming steppe]

A redone B.C is what I meant,you can tell Layton is aging something like this https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1123832368118120458 would be perfect.

[obsidian spire]

Again. It would look way too much like Layton/Yukon for my liking.

I'm not interested in reskins.

and I'm sure a majority of the "no more NA at all" crowd would also not be interested.

[gleaming steppe]

That’s completely fair.

[lofty glade]

If we are adding Blacktail to Yukon we might as well throw in Roosevelt Elk. They would be more realistic than Blacktail. At this point I don't care. I just want them on another map

This map would be like SRP ,Yukon and Layton on steroids. What's not to like
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1123832368118120458

With new additions also

[sacred orbit]

Given how we have an East African Antelope species on Vurhonga (Lesser Kudu) and a bird that only migrates to a single lake in East Africa (Eurasian Wigeon migrate as far south as Lake Victoria, which is miles away), I don’t see Fallow Deer being that much out of place on Vurhonga, and unlike Lesser Kudu & Eurasian Wigeon, Fallow Deer do exist in South Africa (they are rather adaptable deer)

Here is a couple links about Fallow Deer in South Africa

https://africassportsman.com/hunting-the-european-fallow-deer-in-south-africa/

https://www.bookyourhunt.com/en/fallow-deer-hunting-in-south-africa

https://invasives.org.za/fact-sheet-animals/fallow-deer/#:~:text=Eastern Cape%2C Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal.

[lofty glade]

@obsidian spire I don't get your argument of reskin. Most map's they introduce will be some form of reskin. If there was no new additions or hardly any I would understand. But if it's adding new animals to hunt it's great. If we get a European map in December it will be some form of reskin.

[obsidian spire]

There's only so "different" a map set in IRL blacktail/Roosevelt range can look from Layton.

[lofty glade]

@obsidian spire I disagree. if you look at my Biome design I suggested it even has a desert shrub biome. Layton ,SRP and Yukon doesn't have that

[sacred orbit]

I would say California but as you said yourself, most people don’t want another North American map unless it is an Arctic map
(and I might even say the only North American map we have outside of the United States is Rancho, yes I consider Layton Lakes to be a reserve set in the United States)

[obsidian spire]

Let's agree to disagree.

Not to mention, this thread is about...backfilling. Not new maps.

[sacred orbit]

Speaking of back-filling, the Fallow Deer on Vurhonga wouldn’t be that out of place considering the fact they do occur in South Africa (It would still be bizarre to see a deer on the Savannah not gonna lie)

Adding Sambar to Te Awaroa is a pretty good choice and would add to the variety of deer on the map

[bitter kernel]

I suspect they're working on another Game Ranch map, similar to Parque. I don't think it will be this December's map, but possibly the one next June. I feel like they hear us on wanting certain species on more than one map. I'm sure they also understand the difficulties of finding something that teeters on the border of bring realistic and what brings game balance. I'm sure this Game Ranch will not be in North America and will have Blacktail Deer and Roosevelt Elk. They are just trying to find the best solution to incorporating it so it doesn't feel rushed or lacking.

Also, technically, there "are" Blacktail on other maps; Mule Deer are basically just Blacktail that have strayed further East than California and gotten bigger as they progressed through new terrain. It's also why having them on SRP didn't make a whole lot of sense, because there would have been two Odocoileus hemionus species on the same map. Evolution is a crazy thing.

[lofty glade]

@bitter kernel I would love a game ranch with Roosevelt and Blacktail.

[sacred orbit]

Gets even more confusing in parts of California

[bitter kernel]

I know there's a part of northern Cali close to the Oregon border that has both Blacktail and Rocky Mountain Mule Deer species.

[sacred orbit]

And then you got the California Mule Deer (Odocoileus hemionus californicus) in other parts of the state

(https://wildlife.ca.gov/Regions/6/Deer/Natural-History)

[bitter kernel]

right, it would work, but for the game's sake it just seems too crowded to have both Blacktail and Mule Deer on the same map. Whitetail and Mules seem fine (which is the case in Rancho del Arroyo), but that's just my thoughts on it

[sacred orbit]

Fair enough

[bitter kernel]

unless we got a Deer Paradise Game Ranch with all the deer species, including moose and caribou. could be fun

[sacred orbit]

I would rather see 3 more African reserves myself

[bitter kernel]

I would love a Southern Sahara map that has both desert and jungle areas and features gorillas.

[obsidian spire]

My guy.

Gorillas are very illegal to kill.

those things are protected to heck and back, nevermind critically endangered.

And I repeat. This threat here OP made? BACKFILLING.

[steep wagon]

They'd be in a video game

[sacred orbit]

Lets not go down that road again

[gleaming steppe]

Yeah…

[obsidian spire]

And I repeat for the third and final time.

The title of this thread is "Backfilling"

[steep wagon]

No let's do it. People in this server throw out legalities, but killing people is illegal yet games like gta and modern warfare exist. The argument makes 0 sense

[obsidian spire]

...those.

Aren't.

Hunting games.

[sacred orbit]

Speaking of backfills, I’m not so sure Chamois would work for Hirschfelden
Mouflon would be a bit better

Alternatively the Chamois could potentially work for Cuatro (since we got regular white-tails on Rancho)

[steep wagon]

The point still stands

[bitter kernel]

I didn't mean to stray the topic that far off-course, and for that I apologize. I was trying to say that certain things make more sense to have a completely new map for than to just backfill them somewhere, and then got carried away on the new map part of it. my fault

[gleaming steppe]

MW is a game about Anti Terror and War…Completely different little bro

[obsidian spire]

No, it doesn't. You're comparing COTW to games in completely different genres.

[sacred orbit]

It happens every now and then

[steep wagon]

What's hard to understand about what I said? It's about principle. I used an example. In video games you aren't harming people or animals. It's all code, so why would it matter if you put an endangered animal in the game??

[sacred orbit]

If you want a game that lets you hunt tigers I got an idea

A hunting game set in a time period where tiger hunting was legal (before the 1970s basically)
With period accurate weapons and equipment and all that

Now what else could work for a backfill eh
Green-winged Teal on Layton?
Cinnamon Teal on Rancho?

[obsidian spire]

Green-winged teal on Rancho would be much better. It's one of THE most-hunted birds in Mexico.

[sacred orbit]

Fair point

[gleaming steppe]

EC needs rabbits.

[bitter kernel]

the only maps I really think need anything else are Medved and Te Awaora. Medved I think is great as-is, but would just teeter the line of being perfect if there was something like a snow fox or snow hare on it.

And Te Awaora feels like it's severely underpopulated in comparison to other maps with only having 9 species and nothing over class 6. not sure what could be backfilled to Te Awaora, but I think it could use something.

[obsidian spire]

if it can give Te its much-needed nerf in regards to reds and fallows, I'm all for anything there

[sacred orbit]

Unfortunately the Siberian Taiga is rather limited

But the Hazel & Black Grouse would work as backfills to Medved as so could the Red Fox (they do live in the area)

I would include Mountain Hare to the Medved Backfill options but it is pretty snowy on there

[lofty glade]

@sacred orbit I would rather see Mouflon in Hirschfelden as well

[bitter kernel]

I liked the addition of Western Capercallie to Medved but I'd have rathered the Capercallies go to Cuatro Colinas and find something else for Medved. I know Capercaillie are common in the Taiga but there's just something about the terrain in Cuatro that makes more sense to me, even though they're really only found in one part of Spain, and I think not the part Cuatro is based on.

Speaking of, I think Medved and Silver Ridge are the only maps without a waterfowl or flushing-bird of some kind and would love to see one on either of them.

[sacred orbit]

I’m pretty certain Capercaillie are a protected species in Spain, so that is going to be a no (Mallard and Eurasian Teal maybe)

But speaking of Medved and Silver Ridge for bird back-fills

Medved in terms of waterfowl could get Tundra Bean Goose or Greylag Goose (Tufted Duck and Goldeneye too)

Silver Ridge Waterfowl: Teals, Goldeneyes, thats what I can think of so far

[gleaming steppe]

There’s bobwhite for SRP currently but in the future there’s a possibility of white-tailed ptarmigan

[obsidian spire]

white-tailed ptarmigan would really just need a modification to either of the current existing models

Yukon could get willow ptarmigan

actually, white-tailed ptarms could fit on Layton too?

[sacred orbit]

Possibly, though a grouse of some sort (Ruffed, Spruce, Dusky or Sooty) would have more habitat available too it

[gleaming steppe]

I’d want for Yukon to get a variation of Willow Ptarmigan Featuring their winter colors,Probably Named Winter Willow Ptarmigan

[sacred orbit]

This could work for Medved too

[obsidian spire]

that would come down to if it's even possible for animals to have reigionally-based rarities in the coding

I'm thinking it might be a "yes, but it would be very messy"

[sacred orbit]

And now that you mention it, a winter variation of the Mountain Hare for Medved (would be a pain to hunt though)

[lofty glade]

Is there anywhere Stone sheep could be backfilled if we only had 1 Candian map?

[obsidian spire]

considering that I believe COTW maps are meant to be "generic *insert region here*" probably Layton

[lofty glade]

As long as we could get them somewhere. Many players have mentioned they would eventually like to have a Gland Slam with them.

[sacred orbit]

I suppose it isn’t much of a stretch since both Mule/Black-tail Deer & White-tail live in the same areas as Stone’s Sheep for the last few decades at least (Mule Deer and Stones Sheep can be hunted in the Yukon Territory and all 4 in British Columbia)

[gleaming steppe]

Layton would be the map

[light cipher]

I'm not entirely sure, but are Blackbuck still present in Queensland?

[gleaming steppe]

It seems so

[gleaming steppe]

“The blackbuck antelope is a category 2, 3, 4 ,5 and 6 restricted invasive animal under the Biosecurity Act 2014.“ this is from 2021

[sacred orbit]

I forgot Australia has blackbucks

[obsidian spire]

...I didn't even know Australia had blackbucks

[light cipher]

Apparently it does

[wicked obsidian]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1114829554100473936 Te aweroa backfill ideas from a New Zealander, my dude 👌🏻

[obsidian spire]

Maybe, just maybe, let someone have their own backfill post spanning multiple maps instead of just one, instead of trying to hijack it via advertising your own?

[wicked obsidian]

Just giving ideas as stated in the post mate, chill out 🤣

[obsidian spire]

I'm seeing it happen a lot and it's starting to really annoy me. Going into someone else's post just to post your own is basically going "mine's better, why did you even bother posting your own?"

[wicked obsidian]

I see it more so as extending ideas so if ideas are seen on multiple posts they are potentially more likely to be implemented. It's the reason we chuck things up on here, bouncing ideas off of each other in hopes that the devs will update, create or adjust things we'd like to see. In that respect, yes it is selfish of me to tag my own post but hey there are plenty of humans on here that would like Te updated so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sacred orbit]

I’ll advertise other peoples stuff sometimes and I know other people do so

[gleaming steppe]

No,that’s not at all what it is.It’s us adding on to these wonderful ideas sometimes even Connecting them tying them to an update that would be within EW’s Realm of possibility