#Another Open Letter to Expansive Worlds

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frail hatch
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Dear Expansive Worlds,

(1/2) I have previously written an open letter regarding the subject of Herd Management but a previous stream has caused more concerns for me as a player of The Hunter Call of the Wild.

I am not going to be under any illusion that Herd Management (HM from now on) is going to be taken away from the game. However is was stated in the last stream that HM is not considered an exploit. There was an example given as to a previous exploit and the conclusion was that it was and exploit because it “was using in game choices to get an undesired result”. HM utilizes in game choices. Choosing which animal to shoot and which to leave is an in game choice. Jaxy went on to state “we did no intend for people to min-max as they do with HM”. My question is “how can you make that statement and not consider HM an exploit? That is a simple question that can have a simple answer should you choose to acknowledge this letter.

Another concern came from a quote where Jaxy stated “Its our core community that gets involved in it”. Now it was unclear to me that whether by “it” Jaxy meant the discussion surrounding HM or HM itself. Either way I fear there is an alienation of players that could occur because of this mentality.

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(2/2) Lastly, there is the debate around whether or not HM affects the spawns of Great Ones. I would argue that it doesn’t really matter if it does or doesn’t although I think all the evidence points to the fact that it does. I mean there was a creator who posted a video the other day with 53 Great Ones. If there is 53 of them how are they Great? This just goes to show that HM is still in fact ruining the game whether you want to call it an exploit or not. Your fabled trophy is becoming all too common and there is no where else to go.

So, all of that to say. We aren’t stupid. It seems obvious that Great Ones are affected by HM so why can’t you just come out and say it. You were willing to call out the Zagtactics and change players from being able to decide whether or not a track was worth following but you are unwilling to change the reality that players can and do choose to leave lower levels, stack diamonds, all with the intent of increasing Great One spawns. All I’m asking is that you acknowledge this. That there is a part of the community that sees HM this way and it’s a valid perspective that need not be shut down.

                            Sincerely,
                                DejectedSoup
gaunt tundra
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I will GIVE you my GO Red Deer when it spawns. (if you want)

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Honestly, I am willing to put in the work So you can Have one.
It can be symbolic like an olive branch from me to you. Two opposing opinions meet with a gift

tidal falcon
misty zephyr
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I can appreciate the Goodwill behind the message, but I do agree to your point Oli.

tidal falcon
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It’s a kind gesture but it kinda defeats the purpose of a great one (in my opinion of course)

misty zephyr
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"I mean there was a creator who posted a video the other day with 53 Great Ones. If there is 53 of them how are they Great?"

To me, this here specifically, is not acknowledging the sheer amount of time the person dedicated to achieving this number. Granted - no not all of us can day in and day out do that slog... but At least acknowledge the effort given.

Even a person in the community here, they burned themselves out into the 40k region of kills, getting RD GO's - and managed to get a double whammy. We all know the roulette odds on THAT are low af. RNG is that kind like.. once in a life time.. but the predecessor to that was the time sink dedicated to 40k kills.

How many kills has the 53GO put in? Willing to bet triple digit thousands at this point.

frail hatch
frail hatch
upper dew
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My view on herd management is if other people want to use it, so what? I mean all it really is is just shooting a hole bunch of animals to eventually win on the rng. They just have a different strat to do it faster than me running around shooting whatever I see. Not to mention that if ew managed to make hm unfeasible people will find a new strat

tidal falcon
# upper dew My view on herd management is if other people want to use it, so what? I mean al...

Precisely. People keep talking about how “HM devalues trophies” but fail to realize they created that perception and fell knee deep into it. How can one person’s trophies determine the value on another person’s trophies? If you think that because people get GOs every week makes the one you got after a month of grinding less valuable then that’s not the fault of HM that’s your own fault

gaunt tundra
# tidal falcon Yeah but then where’s the reward from that? The entire satisfaction that comes f...

That is the Exact sentiment I feel. I just don't see a solution to OP's post

  • “we did no intend for people to min-max as they do with HM” they gave us a sandbox game w/ many possibilities of playing, the community just "found" the most efficient way to hunt (not the only way to)
  • "core community" short for the people who stick around
  • “It's our core community that get involved in it” short for the people who stick around and "Find out" HerdManaging/Griding mechanics. from sticking around and becoming part of the community therefore you learn how things within the game work
  • i've always taken hm as a thing TO do WHILE grinding. some get GO with out HM, just a thing to do for Super Rares
  • if GO become MORE available with inflation to spawn rates in turn you're going to see MORE of the ppl that got 25-40 now have 100 (then the true value goes down for me) i see that as a loose loose for the realism community, it'll still be hard to find one but the ppl that were alreading grinding will get exponentionaly more now aswell
  • to me i feel your end to this is either bump up the rate or get rid of them
  • but that's where we come here to discuss and give opinions
tidal falcon
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What is there to even discuss? We’ve already said it over and over again; HM will exist whether people like it or not. Whether it’s intentional or not, the balancing method the spawning system uses is and HM just uses it to its advantage. Even if EW didn’t specifically intend for HM to exist, it does because that’s how they set up their respawn system. Should Mojang be upset at its players and call them exploiters because they found a way to make use of mob spawning to get items and XP? This is literally a game that allows for you to hunt and get trophies any way you want, and HM is literally just this game’s min-maxing method. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. But don’t start complaining that people who do use it get more trophies

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I’m genuinely getting tired of seeing these discussions pop up and seeing two sides repeat the same fucking statements over and over again. Just put this debate to rest already and let’s all hunt the way we want to

upper dew
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Fax

tidal falcon
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Even if EW were to come out and say “okay we changed our mind. It is an exploit now” what would that change? I wouldn’t see players changing their minds and would just continue to use HM because that’s how they like to grind. If Jaxy straight up tells people that HM does work on GOs then people will just use it more, which seems like the opposite effect this person wants to see. I just straight up don’t even see the point of this post because what they wanted from their previous open letter was for EW to acknowledge whether it is an exploit or not

upper dew
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It’s that fine line between an intended mechanic and an exploit imo, I saw someone compare it to Minecraft farms

tidal falcon
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I keep using that example so it was probably me lmao

upper dew
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Ah

half ocean
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The point is that the GO is the Maximum Trophy in the game, and the mechanical obtaining of it is hidden after the use of HM, otherwise it is only linked to luck, if there were other ways to obtain one, this discussion would not exist, we would just say "don't do it, do it another way"..

Only if there was another way, or someone discovered another way would this discussion be removed

upper dew
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The thing is, as long as it’s related to luck grinding will exist. There’s no way around it. Your rng is better the more chances it has to happen

gaunt tundra
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  • I don't think saying core community divides us, I see it as addressing the community and people who like the game and voice their opinion of it with the rest @frail hatch Whether you think so or not YOU are part of the Core Community, The Realism Crowd is part of the Core Community, I think without that voice we'd probably be calling Emerald Coast, Emearald Ponds Everywhere.
  • You want a response from EW, but i feel Jaxy addressed you along with the core community with a pretty thoughtful response in Tues stream
  • They do know the secrets to the GO but It is End Game material, Game Devs want to keep people playing the game for long as they can , so they lock the best stuff behind Long Periods of Play
  • is there a solution to the GO, idk
tidal falcon
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By core community I think he means the people who’ve been around the longest, who’ve been active in the community, etc

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The people who care for this game the most pretty much

misty zephyr
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"They do know the secrets to the GO but It is End Game material, Game Devs want to keep people playing the game for long as they can , so they lock the best stuff behind Long Periods of Play"

Go a step further on this thought.

Why would they hand us the key to the room behind the smoke and glitter that holds the game mechanics?

You want to know all the points of how things work?
Of how things spawn?
That's akin to saying you want spawn rates - and really - we (the majority of us) don't like that info, because it's too cheaty and takes the fun out of the game.

Why would you want to break down the game secrets and ruin what makes it special by being given this sekret knowledge?
Once you take off that kind of blindfold, you can never put it back on.
I can't imagine a game company wanting to hold some mystery over a thing just handing out the tricks and secrets manifesto - it'd be a killshot to the game itself, delivered by the hand of the Company. P sure EW isn't in the market of ending their game juuuust yet.

half ocean
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I still maintain that this would be the best way to take advantage of all the sectors of a map, get a GO and perform "semi-real" herd genetic maintenance tasks xD
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Those who want the entire map to be occupied would be happy, those who like to grind would be happy, and those who don't have time to grind would be happy too
A system of accumulating points through missions and the "purchase" of a GO spawn through those points...

misty zephyr
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I like the concept of buying a GO spawn, but then we are right back where we started -

Folks will be Unruly and Dissatisfied with the fact that people who put more time and effort and grinding into the missions can buy more spawns more frequently.

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And it will all boil down to folks with more time can afford to put more time into it to reap the benefits and rewards of such a system

gaunt tundra
tidal falcon
half ocean
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We have the Hunt Club, we know that it can check and maintain a score, I also don't know the scope of the system but if it can inject codes from a mission, and the mission can inject an animal spawn, nothing new will have to be redesigned.

Currently the main missions of the maps inject an animal spawn at the end, it would not be different for a GO

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Now, if you want to prevent them from getting one GO after another, you should simply set a long cooldown time to take the spawn mission again, something of 10 or 15 days

upper dew
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Eh not a huge fan of that system

fading crown
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I’m sure Microsoft didn’t intend for people to finish Minecraft in 25 minutes either, doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with it

misty zephyr
# half ocean Now, if you want to prevent them from getting one GO after another, you should s...

Double back on this though, even if every 10-15 days someone can get a new one, I know I'm not an every day player... In fact I've played now 4 hours since I got the new map, because I'm doing stuff during the day, spending time with Husbro in the afternoon, and then if I have the energy after wrangling chaos here in server I might boot it up.. But then wait! Toss in my ADHD and I might boot up the game, but I might also walk away from it because I got distracted or forgot or tabbed out and saw something else and went on a deep dive to learn etc. (Yes this last might be super unique to me, but you know.. 😛 )

Point being
It still rewards those of us who can afford to dump time and effort, even if its a 2 a month reward

upper dew
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Then it’s just grind and collect your go every 15 days

half ocean
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Of course, if someone doesn't like it, they will have the HM to get their GO

fading crown
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this just seems like a strange thing to argue over. why do we care how anyone plays the game? Every game is going to have people who discovered ways to play it more efficiently. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’re cheating, and it has no effect on your experience in the game. It seems to me that perhaps this argument is built upon the fact that non-HM users aren’t happy with the concept that HM users found a legitimate way to shoot the trophies they want without playing in the traditional way 🤔🤔🤔

frail hatch
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I fear that this may have derailed the conversation a bit which was not my intent. Honestly, I want to know why they dont consider it an exploit when it meets the requirements they gave for an exploit. I understand that HM isn't going anywhere, in fact I think its fair to say that HM and non HM can coexist peacefully. I just don't understand how EW can justify saying it isn't an exploit...Thats all...I just have questions and concerns. Im not even seeking a "solution". I don't just want HM to go away. I am not upset that I can't get a GO.

tidal falcon
fading crown
upper dew
frail hatch
# upper dew See previous post about it being neither intended nor an exploit

I don't know what you're referring to. In my letter I explained why I am confused as to why it isn't called an exploit. Jaxy said that an exploit is using in game choices to get an unintended result. I fail to see how HM doesn't fall into that category. Simply saying it isnt an exploit doesn't really change the fact that it seems to be one...

upper dew
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Because the intention of the go is the more animals you kill the better chance for a go, which is literally hw

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What does it being called an exploit or not change anyway?

fading crown
frail hatch
rich dagger
# fading crown Why does it matter if it’s called an exploit or not though? We can call it Kevin...

For me it's because stuff long time ago if you found a exploit you got told to stop using it or there would be consequences same with different bugs same with this together but they couldn't go down that route and call it an exploit because so many stared using it and so many CC's was doing it it's more to show people it is an exploit instead of a natural thing like was pushed so much before and see it shouldn't not be seen as an exploit just because higher-ups are using it it should still be seen as one but just accepted as one

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It's not trying to remove it or get people to stop using it it's more it should be called what it is instead of seeing as something different

frail hatch
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^^So much this. Its about integrity. Its like I'm being told a lie and expected to just accept it. Integrity matters to me.

upper dew
rich dagger
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Everybody uses exploits in every video game ever created like that's human nature you find the easiest way to do something and they should be accepted people get seen differently for using them compared to people that don't that's literally the only downside if you're using it and you complain about people judging you that's on you not them

frail hatch
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I'm not even judging people for using it. Honestly to each their own. You wanna HM fill your boots. But don't tell me it isnt exactly what it is.

rich dagger
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Exactly

upper dew
frail hatch
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You can't make a statement that an exploit is using in game choices to get unintended results, follow it up with we didnt intend HM, and conclude it isnt an exploit

rich dagger
frail hatch
upper dew
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Sounded like they did answer though, you just didn’t like it

frail hatch
rich dagger
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Wtf is zagtactics?

hidden thicket
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Old way of finding diamonds

tidal falcon
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Old method of being able to see the exact weight of tracks. Would usually let you know if you’re looking at a diamond or not

rich dagger
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The tracks deal?

upper dew
rich dagger
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How the hell was that a exploit

hidden thicket
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Instead of looking at the animal and hunting you would just be looking for tracks and ignoring everything else

tidal falcon
frail hatch
# rich dagger How the hell was that a exploit

i mean it was deliberately choosing what perks and skills to have so that you knew which tracks were worth following back when weight was more important with determining diamond. It was an exploit. and they got rid of it.

frail hatch
rich dagger
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Okay now I completely understand everything from your side because that was more of a game mechanic them hm

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That's stupid

misty zephyr
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By this though, if they acknowledge an exploit and nuke it - then acknowledging HM as an exploit - would then follow that it gets nuked

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Which rejects the thought of 'not wanting HM to be removed'

rich dagger
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Basically you could say all of us using tracking knowledge 3 to see the fur type for tracks before Mississippi was an exploit

misty zephyr
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(you cheater)

rich dagger
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I guess I was

tidal falcon
# frail hatch I just want *an* answer. How can Zagtactics be considered and exploit and not HM...

HM capitalizes on an existing system; the respawn balancing system. Same way that mob farms in Minecraft capitalize on mob spawn systems to get a lot of XP and items.
Zagtactics utilized mechanics that were oversighted and the devs didn’t intend for the skills to work that way.

Long story short, the basis that zagtactics worked off of was unintentional, the basis that HM works off of is. I don’t know why you need to hear that from EW specifically

frail hatch
hidden thicket
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If they agree it’s an exploit, they would be questioned as to why they are leaving it in the game and that would mean changing game mechanics that would effect everyone else. I do not think they will give a concrete answer to your question, Soup, because it would cause even more divide within the community

frail hatch
misty zephyr
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I mean, I feel like your Question has a lot of facets where you want EW to be on your level or to Admit to something - and to Answer something.
I'm not 100% disagreeing with you on some aspects tbh, but I feel like your question status has evolved several times since starting the OG letter

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Unintentional also doesnt mean that it didnt already exist in game. Go back to MC - if it was never intended, then people would not be able to speedrun it in 3 minutes

frail hatch
covert mulch
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Aye,once I get my hooded fallow with the elk rack I’m done no more hm

rich dagger
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See biggest thing is hm doesn't need as strong defending as It gets when people see it as an exploit because that's what it really is just ew hasn't admitted to it because they don't have a concrete way to fix it yet if they figure out a way to change the spawn system which I say they will at some point for how different animals are bugging out right now (looks at you ptarmigan) then they will probably officially acknowledge it as an exploit

tidal falcon
rich dagger
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Just it causes so much different arguments than it actually should because people get overprotected because they don't want to be seen as using an exploit

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Which falls back onto y ew said it wasn't one to protect those people

tidal falcon
misty zephyr
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He cain't

rich dagger
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Ok In my brain I said that as one full sentence

gaunt tundra
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I still can't see HM as an exploit

  • Being picky about the trophy you choose to shoot is not an exploit (in turn what the game mechanics do with that Are not the players fault)
  • Using the Tripod Glitch to keep the Stand Hidden buff when not in it is an Exploit
  • Using Mods to run around faster is an Exploit
  • Using PopulationScanners to me is an Exploit
rich dagger
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Is going back to the main menu to save your trophy an exploit?

tidal falcon
rich dagger
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Was getting go Mr black a exploit?

gaunt tundra
rich dagger
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Is getting orgo Cuatro mission wolf as a diamond a exploit?

covert mulch
rich dagger
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There's so many damn things that are right on the edge is the problem with all of it and how ew treats exploits

frail hatch
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Maybe I come across as too black and white and that there is a line as to whether something is an exploit and when it isnt. Maybe there is more nuance to these things. But I do think its fair to ask of EW to explain why something like Zagtactics was worth fixing and calling an exploit but some of these other issues HM included aren't

rich dagger
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Hell I remember getting called a cheater for using the lodge bug

hidden thicket
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Main menuing to save a trophy in some cases is reasonable, but taking a bad shot is on you. Get good or get hecked, scrubs

upper dew
frail hatch
tidal falcon
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Several people have stated the reasoning you’re just choosing to ignore it because it doesn’t line up with what you want to hear. That’s what I’m getting from you rn

rich dagger
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It's more it doesn't line up with facts and how it should be

upper dew
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When I play I always pick the largest male of the herd to shoot because it’s the best trophy, does that make me an exploiter? Because that’s herd management

rich dagger
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Either both of them should be an exploit or neither of them

frail hatch
rich dagger
upper dew
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Ik, that’s why I’d say it’s not really an exploit

rich dagger
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And see in that fact it shouldn't be called a method or have a special name in the first place

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It should be called hunting

cobalt ice
upper dew
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Grinding almost has a better case of being an exploit than hm lol

rich dagger
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Yeah

hidden thicket
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Flinter gave his opinion? Blasphemous!

rich dagger
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But grinding is the only way to get trophies without taking decades because of how the game works different from classic and there's no breeding and dying system

tidal falcon
frail hatch
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I dont care if they come back and say this is why this issue is an exploit and why HM isnt...from what i can see though and from how i understand what jaxy said HM fits into their own definition of an exploit...just clarify it for me. We can speculate till our fingers fall off but until they actually make it official its just conjecture.

rich dagger
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What I honestly wish is there was some way for them to create the spawn system to not have a balancing system in it to be completely 100% random that nothing could change how it works

cobalt ice
hidden thicket
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Grinding can be done without tents or tripods

rich dagger
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Hurry up somebody say something else so he has other comment then he can say he's leaving again

upper dew
rich dagger
tidal falcon
rich dagger
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I mean yeah

hidden thicket
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Then what are the tents for then? You can’t place a tent down and not expect it to be near a zone of some sort

upper dew
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The best way to eliminate (which to be clear idt is necessary) would have a go replace harvested animal completely random

tidal falcon
rich dagger
upper dew
hidden thicket
rich dagger
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Exactly!

cobalt ice
tidal falcon
rich dagger
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God I wish I could do that I would have tents at every good fishing spot I've ever came across I fine paying $30 per tent

cobalt ice
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No, I set them up in my yard, never get them bag in the tiny bag they come in, and give up

tidal falcon
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Just set up a tent in my room so I can fast travel to my bed whenever I want

hidden thicket
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I love this convo right now

rich dagger
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Tent sells 📈📈📈📈📈

tidal falcon
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Fast travel to and from work would be really nice

rich dagger
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Having them outside restaurants would devastate my money

frail hatch
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Well this has digressed...

tame apex
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I'm now all of the sudden interested to see what would happen if feeders got added xD

rich dagger
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People would lose their goddamn minds

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Decoys on steroids

tidal falcon
frail hatch
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Thats kinda different...would I personally want feeders? No finding animals is easy enough but at least it would be you know...intended

rich dagger
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Lol it would all but remove drink time grinding

tidal falcon
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If it had a radius of like 250-300m I don’t think so really

frail hatch
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True. You could just place them all in a tight knit area rather than be confined to the maps own zone distribution.

rich dagger
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Unless they had a super low limit of like 5 per map

tame apex
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Hog feeders would be one I would enjoy and bear feeders. Deer not so much

rich dagger
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Bear barrels would be fun

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That + treestand

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I know people use the shit out of them in classic

tame apex
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That would make bear hunting fun

rich dagger
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But I think it only attracts one bear every like one in game or two in game hours

tidal falcon
tame apex
rich dagger
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Ok new topic vote to get oli timed out for 24 hours for having Cashnip jokes

tidal falcon
half ocean
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We already have a "Feeder" in the game, that is the Turkey Decoy xD
It only works with turkeys that are within the range of the render and only if the player is nearby.

misty zephyr
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I mean this would be true of all the decoys then, innit?

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So in that regard - why not come out with deer decoy?

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(not sure if it would work the same for preds)

rich dagger
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I need to play around with turkey decoys more

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They also REALLY need to up the damn render

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But that's a whole different argument

hidden thicket
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You need to up your render (brain cells)

rich dagger
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I wish they would

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Then maybe I could remember shit and not be half-ass stupid

half ocean
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I've experimented countless hours with those decoys, just look at this beautiful map covered in turkey decoys spaced along the road every 250m (before the home ranges update), which only attracted turkeys when I passed near them

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upper dew
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Not trying to start another war just curious since it was mentioned, what’s the office reason render distance hasn’t been increased? I’ve heard engine limitations thrown around, but I know there’s mods that up the distance somehow

hidden thicket
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There’s also an issue of performance

upper dew
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Fair, I guess not everyone has the gpu bottleneck I do lol

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And I guess just cause the game runs at 700m doesn’t mean it’s stable

stiff scroll
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Imo the answer to all this is making GOs a random spawn, not a respawn, hence making grinding pointless (for GOs anyway). Maybe then the game could somewhat return to being hunting based & not farming/shooting.

misty zephyr
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Would RNG not already cover this? Also how would it spawn without removing some of the population numbers to make space for the GO slot to proc?

nocturne oyster
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probably not remembering the suggestion right

misty zephyr
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I mean that would be a cool workaround

upper dew
misty zephyr
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I still think it doesnt quite see to the point that folks with 10~ hours of time to sink into a session will benefit faster than those with the average users time.. But it has potential

tacit gyro
# frail hatch (2/2) Lastly, there is the debate around whether or not HM affects the spawns of...

So I really took the time to read your entire post and I thought about my reply very carefully as to how to word this..... HM isn't necessarily an "exploit". PLEASE take the time to read my response before getting defensive..... HM has been frowned upon by many for a very long time and it has come to my attention as to what HM actually is. It's not a way to better your chances to get a GO at all, in fact all it is, is a way to make shooting deer faster. Instead of running to 20 lakes to shoot a deer or 2 from each zone, all you are doing in condensing it down to 10 or so lakes with 1 or 2 zones per lake. Its literally the EXACT same thing as traveling to 20 lakes, just a in a faster manner. You aren't changing the spawning algorithm or changing the rng chances of the GO spawning, you are just utilizing it more often. HM is the same thing as cooking if you think about it.... If you are making a meal and you have to run all over the kitchen gathering ingredients while you are cooking, its obviously gonna take a bit longer than if you prepped everything before hand and had it all within arms reach. I know that might sound like an odd comparison but if you think about it closely and visualize it, it makes sense.

stiff scroll
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half ocean
inland rune
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But it still doesn't mess with GOs

tacit gyro
misty zephyr
half ocean
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The complaint is about the stacking of low levels that forces the appearance of diamonds and a GO over time

frail hatch
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Guys. I wrote what I wrote because I had to say it. But I don't think there is any use in arguing over this topic anymore. Its here to stay and per EW there is no problem using it.

half ocean
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I think the same, at least I don't see intentions to change after what has been said.

I only hope that through this controversy another way of achieving it is placed other than grinding thousands of animals

inland rune
frail hatch
half ocean
inland rune
misty zephyr
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(Do not all forms of the RD have TruRacs?)

inland rune
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So pretty much a diamond mule deer is a bronze in disguise is what your getting at, atleast that's how it's sounding

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Also if it was a TruRac then why do they have only a certain amount of spawnable racks for GO animals

frail hatch
inland rune
frail hatch
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Im not sure the numbers. However I do think that maybe Mel had a combo GO moose rack. Meaning that it was a combo of two rack types. Now im sure there are variances even in the rack "type" but there is just the set number. I could be mistaken however.

misty zephyr
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there are 3 GO Red Deer racks, and whatever the math is when you combo those

inland rune
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So 9?

misty zephyr
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There are 6 WT Racks - and then all their combo mixes

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and I think there are 5 or 6 moose racks

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and 4 Fallow Racks

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This just accounts for mixed combos though, not mixed combos and angle variations ....Which I THINK is where TruRacs really lies.

inland rune
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Oh sorry, idk why my number was so high, I herd it on some video a while back

misty zephyr
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Idk how they could implement a mechanic that would not just RNG the racks, but like.. Unlimited RNG - I feel like that's more advanced than the engine could manage at this time

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or rather, if not more advanced, it's beyond what can be programmed? Is that maybe a better way to word it?

inland rune
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With the engine being old also sooo.... I'm going to agree with what you said on unlimited

half ocean
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Supposedly the chance of Trurac GO is lower than the chance of the other variations, but it is only possible to appear in animals of maximum difficulty / high weight

(again, this is information that is circulating I cannot affirm that it is "accurate" information nor the source of how it was obtained)

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at least that's what I've read from those trying to explain how the hm works

inland rune
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upper dew
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You keep saying you want them to explain it, if they do explain it not only will it change absolutely nothing about hm, but it could lead to an actual real exploit being found

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cunning lantern
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To be honest, I think that once a game is released, the developer should butt out, except for DLC's and bug fixes. If people find a glitch or a way to exploit the game mechanics, that's the way it happens sometimes. To penalize people for how they choose to play a game they paid for is like a car dealer changing your transmission from manual to automatic because they don't like how you drive. Is it really anyone's business how you play?
More to the point, why does how I play affect your gameplay— why should what I shoot, or how I use the game have any bearing at all on your personal choices. Even if I outright cheat to gain trophies, unless it's an outside competition or event, what does it matter to anyone but me?
Point of fact, we have all seen moderators and others who have suspiciously high numbers of 'rares' and high scoring trophies, but are swift to report / ban others for merely mentioning the 'm—word'.