Grizzly Bear Remodel (THANKS FOR 350+!!!)

[gleaming crane]

There’s an increasing possibility we get a Canadian Arctic map In December and we will probably get Grizzly Bear the model of the grizzly bear is…Grizzly to say the least,with that all Grizzly Bears Desperately need a remodel
And Bears need a Behavioral Rework In general.The Dots that are supposed to be eyes are the first step.

This would also introduce a few new fur types

• Silvertip
• Blonde
• Dusky
• Deep Brown

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1086163254306422804

A map like https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1070045518002147458 would be perfect to introduce this

Also Black Bear being able to eat out of trash cans on Mississippi,New England,Srp like raccoons would be beautiful

[mint plover]

Oh my goodness. If we get #1070109503447646350 and #1070045518002147458 along with this remodel, I’m going bankrupt

[gleaming crane]

EW can have my money

[mint plover]

I have 6 diamond grizzlies and a remodel would save my lodge

[gleaming crane]

It’s mostly the eyes imo

Grizzly Bear Remodel

[bold trellis]

Yea I agree the grizzlies look... strange. Especially the eyes.

[mint plover]

What eyes? They’re just black dots

Also, some blonde fur type and fixing the albino fur type would be awesome. Finally, a fur type called dusky could be where (like the picture below) the bear’s head or body is more blonde and the other part is brown

[bold trellis]

Or a silvertip variation!

Or this variation that has quite a lotta color

[light meteor]

yes please remodel the grizzly i just can't with there afce anymore !

[wary junco]

They also look more like a coastal brown bear than a Grizzly Bear currently. They should be a bit less stocky if they're actually meant to be inland Grizzlies. Their models should look more like this.

[bold trellis]

I'm just not a fan of how they look as a whole. Eyes are hardly visible and they're built strangely, like a torpedo sorta?

[urban agate]

Both the black and brown bear got a rework so I don’t see why the grizzlies shouldn’t get one as well

[marble radish]

this
I think the grizzlies look kinda.. 'derpy' aha

[oblique maple]

also maybe increase class as black bear (max 290kg) is the same class as grizzly bear (max 680kg)

[wary junco]

Tbh the Grizzly Bear max weight is a bit too high currently. According to wikipedia, the heaviest male Grizzly Bears in Alaska are around 389 kilograms. Presumably the max weight for Grizzlies in the game currently is based on the weight of the Kodiak Bear, a separate subspecies from the Kodiak Island Archipelago which can sometimes weigh over 600 kilograms. Considering that Yukon Valley seems to be based on the interior of Alaska and not the coast/Kodiak Island, I think the Grizzlies should have their max weight significantly reduced to better represent the subspecies that lives in the interior of Alaska.

[valid crow]

@wary junco I would only be in favor of this if they made a GO Grizzly. It would make the GO stand out more. You are correct on the size though.

[wary junco]

A GO grizzly could maybe go up to 600 kg, yeah. Definitely not a normal diamond though.

[zealous berry]

I want to add to this.
The current model of Grizzly Bear is always smiling for some reason ... they only smile in cartoons, not in real life, matter of fact they aren't friendly at all in real life and it brings us to the second point.
Grizzly bear aggression needs rework too, they shouldn't have the same aggression that the black bear has in game. Grizzlies are a lot more aggressive in real life than black bears and they should be in game too

[gleaming crane]

To recap this…
•New Fur types
•Adjustments added to Body
•Aggression Reworked,Increased aggression when at a ground kill feed zones
• Two Different Feedzones Salmon Run (Fishing) and Ground kills (current)

[flint herald]

the eyes are too darn small

[gleaming crane]

They are way too small

[merry breach]

A detail that seems to have been missed in all bears of the game, is that bears normally move with their feet pointing inward on all four legs. Yesterday, I noticed that in the game, their hind feet actually turn outward. Now, I can't unsee it...

As for the Grizzlies' eyes, they are pretty small in real life. However, in the game they seem to be placed too low and too close to each other. For me, that is the cause of the "wrong" look.

[bold trellis]

Variation: Gold

[orchid idol]

I‘m a big fan of the bears in game. Their remodels were very good. A remodel of the grizzly would make it one of, if not my favorite species in game🙏🏼

[craggy pier]

And add black bear to Yukon. It's stupid that they are not there too. Brown black and grizzlies should be there.

[gleaming crane]

We will definitely need a BB Behavior Rework first.

[lofty wadi]

I'd love this- heck, give them the same treatment the moose got.

Model/fur rework, add a Great One, and make them more dangerous to hunt.

I'd love for them to turn aggressive sometimes and possibly even stalk players like a puma does sometimes.

[valid crow]

We need this!

This rework would make both these map suggestions even better
https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1123832368118120458

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1070045518002147458

[gleaming crane]

Cmon EW,Give me reason to hunt grizzly.

[valid crow]

🙏

[gleaming crane]

Please EW,the more I hunt them,the more I can’t because of how ugly they are.

[stark jetty]

@gleaming crane we see eye to eye on alot and yet again I agree

Grizzlies now have the mass over the Eurasian brown bears that are on let's say rev or medved but, they have the same stature and posture the grizzlies in game need almost like a bulldog posture when walking and standing on all fours.

And some feed zones near water for salmon and stuff.

Also why do I get attacked more by wolves something that rarely attacks people but grizzlies always run away yes I get that not every bear is a villain but c'mon.

But overall add a few behavior animations, make them a bit wider and have a bulkier stature and make them stand their ground atleast 20% of the time.

[gleaming crane]

I’ve gone into detail about the salmon feedzone thing,I think it should be half Salmon zones,half moose kill zones,and perhaps when snow covers the ground entirely they only go to moose kill zones.

[stark jetty]

Yeah for sure what about their aggression and stature

[gleaming crane]

I totally agree.Wolves could get some zone where they attempt to steal the salmon from grizzlies,just like real life.

[stark jetty]

Also if there was a girzzly GO we could get a old beat up war scars bear as one of them where they have the one eye all callused

[willow moon]

Omg please! They're ugly af 😂😂

[tidal fox]

Yes, because they kinda look like men in bear suits. KC used G'ma's albino in a thumbnail recently. It looks like a dude pretending to be a bear xD

[gleaming crane]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-bears-feed-toss-food-lunch-viralhog-gif-13844501

[lean glade]

Fr, we need a new Grizzly map

[rough garnet]

^

[stark jetty]

^^^ Grizzlies in Yukon taking a treck to a new map colorized December 2023

[woeful agate]

Please

[bold trellis]

Seriously!! The black bear and brown bears now are some of the best bear models in any video game. hell of a glow up from the originals

[stark jetty]

I agree the Grizzlies in game look like a cute version

[lapis lodge]

Just finished the grizzly multimount and this remodel would boost the looks of my lodge to much

[pulsar marlin]

Yes please I like this

[bold trellis]

We need our beautiful silvertip bears!!

[zealous berry]

I swear, they need to make their model smile less and be more aggressive! 💀

[lapis lodge]

Ya they are like little dogs that get scared all the time

[mental arch]

yes

[regal orbit]

Grizzly–polar bear hybrid or Grizzlar

[bold trellis]

I call em nanulak bears because grolar/pizzly is a stupid name imo, i genuinely cant take it seriously

Its a combination of the indigenous terms nanuq (polar bear) and aklak (grizzly bear). And its a real name for these animals, not something made up on the spot

[regal orbit]

Ok

[regal orbit]

Thanks for the explanation

[gleaming crane]

Here’s the start of it all,for those who don’t want to scroll all the way up!

[verbal herald]

Come to think of it has an inland grizzly bear (what we have in the game) ever reached weights of 680kg because that sounds more like what a really large coastal brown bear would weigh?

[gleaming crane]

I used the ingame weight for my example, but yes, they use the coastal brown bear weights for some reason.

[bold trellis]

So what would be the max weight for an inland grizzly?

[verbal herald]

Maybe around 440 kg would be my guess

[bold trellis]

Huh, my guess was about 500-520

[verbal herald]

Adult male grizzly is 200-300kg average so a super large one would be 400kg+

[bold trellis]

That makes sense

[verbal herald]

Yeah it’s strange why they made them so big

[verbal herald]

I personally would want the grizzlys to keep their size but just get a total fur and face rework.

[stark jetty]

Legit just take the brown bear face and make the muzzle wider and the eyes more front on and then have regular brown as a standard color instead of just grey brown then replace the current rarity state of brown for like a reddish brown and were fine

[verbal herald]

Fur needs a rework also

[stark jetty]

Yeah the fur does look like a layer of skin as opposed to actual fur follicles

[verbal herald]

Hopefully they take the chance to remodel them with the upcoming bear reset

[rough garnet]

That would be a neat surprise!

[plain sundial]

Please yes, they are hard to look at with their uncanny valley face : s

[bold trellis]

White grizzly

[fading vale]

the icon of the grizzly looks more like a grizzly than the actual model in game lol

[cedar jolt]

they need some tlc sooo bad. current grizzlies look so weird and uncanny. like a dude in a bear suit. those eyes creep me out— and not in a positive way

[red orbit]

I fully agree, the Grizzly Bear is so derpy. It looks dumb

[civic leaf]

yes please

[wheat elbow]

Pretty sure they made the grizzly bears model after Kodiak bear

[bold trellis]

Might make some drawings

[verbal herald]

We need arctic 🇨🇦 with these guys for a remodel!

[bold trellis]

NAHHH how did they do so well with the distinction between brown bears and grizzlies in the icons then totally botch the model on the grizzly?

[verbal herald]

Yeah fr but back then they weren’t as good model designers just take a look at the tiger compared to lion

[bold trellis]

Thats fair enough

[verbal herald]

I would love to see what they would look like now considering how good the designers are now

[gleaming crane]

Tbh Grizzlies and Brown Bears shouldn’t be all that different except grizzlies common fur type should be “Silvertip”

[bold trellis]

I agree ^ but arent grizzly faces more dish shaped?

[verbal herald]

I think grizzlys if they do a remodel should be bigger and more stocky just because of how they go up to 680kg and brown bears 482kg

[bold trellis]

Yeah but thats not accurate lol thr weights should be swapped

Woudnt be a first, either. They did change bobcat weights

[gleaming crane]

Grizzly Bear Remodel (THANKS FOR 250+!!!)

[fleet wharf]

Travis sends Greetings from the Yukon 🐻

[verbal herald]

Travis looks more realistic than the bear

[fleet wharf]

Grizzlies were one of my most anticipated animals to hunt. The first time I went for them, I set out at dusk and just walked through grizzly territory. I'm still trying to get back that thrill in the game.

Grizzlies deserve a rework!

[fleet wharf]

Resting Grizzly Face

[brittle folio]

Just to add on top of all these amazing ideas. I do like the idea of adding more terrain other than just grass. Have a bear wading in water with a salmon in its mouth would be such a neat concept
.

[wooden gorge]

Mercy

[gleaming crane]

Not too sure if I’ve sent this picture in here yet but…

[fallow vessel]

Yes. All the really need to do is make the fur slightly lighter, make the ears smaller and make the eyes bigger and it would look so much better

[regal orbit]

Fur Variety for Grizzly. Work of the artist Juandertal https://www.artstation.com/juandertal

[regal orbit]

It is a classic poster. I like it.

[cedar jolt]

yesss

[regal orbit]

Kodiak Bear. I also want it on another map in the future. Kodiak Island Map.

[wooden gorge]

Fix the polar bear too

[placid sundial]

Current grizzly bear is actually so yucky it needs a remodel bad

[balmy crane]

Much needed rework! Grizzlys deserve some love

[zealous berry]

Grizzlies always smiling in cotw 🙂 and are nicer to the player than a roe deer 🙂🙂💀

I feel so safe hunting in the first frontier 💀

[cedar jolt]

Did the grizzlies in todays premiere look a bit.. teaser-ly to anyone else? Faces covered by tall grass?

[lapis lodge]

we NEED this guys

[fleet wharf]

Texted this pic to a friend - she asked why I shot a baked potato

[gleaming crane]

Grizzly Bear Remodel (THANKS FOR 350+!!!)

[verbal herald]

I have a theory since grizzlys are the like most requested to get new furs/ remaster they are probably coming on the next reserve (will get remodelled) or else they would have been in this poll

[fleet wharf]

Brown Bear are pretty nice - Grizzlies need that treatment

[dense lichen]

They definitely need so much love

[glass lotus]

Also give that poor thing some lips, bears are unique in that they bare their teeth by pushing their lips out instead of pulling them back like dogs and they look so weird in game without them.

[south sentinel]

Image of a Grizzly Bear from the Canadian Arctic, with a Grizzly Remodel we could also get some more fur types like blonde because we don't have that fur type for them in this game

[regal orbit]

It should have been included in El Rancho mission, the last Mexican Grizzly Bear, just like the Fiordland Moose mission in Te Awaroa, The Mexican Grizzly Bear in the photo was the last specimen of this subspecies (Ursus arctos nelsoi) and hunted in Chihuahua (Mexico), in 1957.

[wary junco]

We desperately need this rework, the Grizzly Bears in the game currently look really weird. Their eyes are so tiny that you can barely see them in the harvest screen (as you can see here) and their whole head just looks... weird and cartoonish

Most of the body looks fine, although I think they look a bit too thick and bulky for inland Grizzlies. Also, their paws are too small for how long those claws are, it just looks unnatural.

[lone jay]

While this would have been really cool, Rancho Del Arroyo is set in Sonora, and in a very dry part of Sonora at that. It does have the Chihuahuan Pine Forest in the east of the map, but Mexican Grizzlies lived in more Temperate grasslands and very high elevation pine forests.

[wary junco]

Here's some pictures I was able to find online of the Grizzly Bear in Cabela's Big Game Hunter: Pro Hunts

This game came out in 2014, literally over a decade ago, and while their Grizzly Model is far from perfect, it still somehow looks more realistic and less derpy than the one in COTW. That's crazy.

[regal orbit]

Assumed former distribution of brown bears (Ursus arctos) in Sonora, Mexico, is shown as the shaded area; modified from Leopold (1959). Triangles represent sites of the three historical records of brown bears in Sonora; the plus sign represents the area of sightings reported by Mearns (1907). The star shows location of Arroyo El Oso where the young brown bear described here was killed.

[lone jay]

Here’s the Grizz from Big Buck Hunter HD, the Arcade shooter. It’s from 2010. It is somehow one of the best Grizzly models I’ve ever seen, and it’s leagues better than the current ones in COTW.

[wary junco]

yeah, the Grizzly model in COTW definitely needs some work. Hopefully, if the next map has Grizzlies on it, we might finally get this much-needed rework.

[lone jay]

I’m hoping it gets a remodel within the next update or 2. Either the June or October update should have a Grizzly remodel, as it’s definitely the one that needs a model change more than even the elk do.

[wary junco]

yeah I agree, it's definitely in the top five species that need a remodel

[fleet wharf]

We're getting a wolf and mule deer fluffing this year, so at this point I think the shelf-life of the game will run out before we see improved grizzlies, or any of the other needed updates - Have no doubt, the Devs know about the grizzlies

[low cedar]

I don't think so, the game evolved and the devs make lots of money with it the shelve life is fresh

[wary junco]

meh, I wouldn't be so quick to say that. There's still a lot of new content that they could bring to the game to keep it alive for a while. I don't think it's very likely that the game's shelf life will run out anytime soon, theHunter Classic is still getting some new content and it came out way before COTW did.

because of that, I really don't think Call of the Wild is likely to die out anytime soon.

[fleet wharf]

That's my hope too, Janny and Fuzion, but whether the owners want it or not, the legacy consoles are coming to an end. I know, I play CotW on a 2014 Xbox One. When the consoles stop getting widespread support, EW or Avalanche will be free to work on CotW 2.0 without all the limitations

[wary junco]

I think they're probably gonna keep working on COTW for a little while even after the support ends for the older generation of consoles. If it's still making them money and they're still able to sell new DLC for the game, why stop support now? Also I don't think they've ever said anything about making a COTW 2

[regal orbit]

What memories!

[low cedar]

I could imagine them just stopping support for older consoles and making most updates new gen only

[wary junco]

we really have no reason to believe that they're actively working on a sequel right now anyway

[low cedar]

I think they've said that they won't rn. Pretty hollow answer iirc

[regal orbit]

This poster reassemble me of the epic scene of the movie “The Bear”.

[fleet wharf]

So, a quick scroll down the Feedback threads shows endless requests for existing animal reworks. Roe, Bighorn, Caribou, Reindeer, both Elk, Coyote, Musk, Mountain Goats, Water Buffalo, and Grizzlies, all within the last 2 days.

This year, EW has set the pace at 2 Maps and 2 Reworks per year with Wolves and Mule Deer. That gives us an indication of the personnel and resources they have to dedicate to rework efforts.

At 2 Reworks per year, how long will it take to get to Grizzlies? Probably many years.

What's needed is a focused effort to rework 20 species in 1 year. That doesn't seem likely with current resources.

[low cedar]

We get way more then two resets per year hun, in 2 years we got European rabbit, red fox, water buffalo, blackbuck, axis deer, feral goat, red deer, fallow deer,

That puts it at more like 4 per year minimum, trend going upward

[fleet wharf]

Yes, all those got reset, but I thought we wanted a major rework or remodel for the grizzlies. (Hun made me smile)

For example, 2 years ago they did a fluffing of the red deer - I took a pic of a mount Before and After. Is this all we want for the Grizzlies? Seems like they need more than a new hairdo

[rough garnet]

Such an improvement. 🤠

[wary junco]

Assuming that the next map will have Grizzlies, I really hope that we will get this rework

[twin haven]

that remodel is what we need with that new map 🙌

[low cedar]

I don't worry about it to much I think that most species that we'll get on this map will get remodels if needed mountain goat, barren ground caribou, grizzly, plains bison, harlequin duck and grey wolves could all be included and would be most likely reworked if they are

[verbal herald]

That’s it right?

[quick spruce]

Looks like a black bear with snow on it

[regal orbit]

Too fat for Black Bear, I think it is remodeled Grizzly

[quick spruce]

But no hump on the shoulder

[regal orbit]

Is it a Black Bear ⚫️ or a remodeled Grizzly Bear 🟤?

[verbal herald]

Hmmm no hump is true might just be the angle tho unless they remodelled black bears for some reason that bear looks too large to be a black bear

[regal orbit]

And fat to hibernate soon.

[regal orbit]

This photo intrigues me!

[verbal herald]

Same

[valid crow]

I hope it's not black bear and they leave the Grizzly out. That would be just crazy since they only have 1 map. Im still hoping. We'll have tk wait for the rest of the list

[wary junco]

I hope we have both Black Bears and Grizzly Bears on the new map

[rough garnet]

I’m hoping for remodel but I can’t tell for certain.. 😯

[bold trellis]

They confirmed its a black bear

#🦡︴cotw-scotland message

[verbal herald]

Who did

[gleaming crane]

Mods don’t have insider knowledge.

[verbal herald]

They surly wouldn’t ignore this post and just give us black bears when there is an opportunity for a well deserved remodel

[quick spruce]

If it is a remodel. A grizzly with no hump on its shoulders is stupid

[verbal herald]

It really wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t show the grizzly in that trailer and are saving it because it’s so requested

[low cedar]

It's a mod, they have 0 connections to ew

[regal orbit]

Will the Remodeled Grizzly be there? 🤔

[gleaming crane]

Here’s hoping

[sacred lichen]

Even if they aren’t on the new map I still hope for a remodel

Grizzlies and warthogs are the two animals that need a remodel the most out of every species in the game rn

[regal orbit]

Yes, the Grizzly Bear has a very good opportunity to be in Askiy Ridge with a new behavior. Black Bear and Grizzly Bear in the only map, AR will be a great map. The map of big heavier games.

[regal orbit]

It would be injustice, Black Bear is on many maps with Askiy Ridge including and the Grizzly Bear, one only.

[zealous berry]

There is a suspicion going around that we're not getting this 💀💀

[valid crow]

That would be really disappointing. This map needs Grizzly and Wolverine. It would be so much better. It looks like a good map but these two inclusions would make it great.

[regal orbit]

Many potential predators for this map. This is an opportunity to exit Grizzly Bear or never.

[valid crow]

It's seems it's legal to hunt Grizzly in Alberta again in a limited capacity for problem bears. You need to fill out an application.

Apparently the population is growing since they stopped the hunt previously causing more human, and livestock deaths. Just more reason we need them on the new map. We need to help Alberta control the population 😂

Here's the article on it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-todd-loewen-grizzly-bears-fish-and-wildlife-1.7258821

[regal orbit]

The largest hunter-killed Grizzly Bear ever recorded with 27-9/16 of score. The Bear was estimated to be 20-25 years old. It’s only to Gordon Scott’s World’s Record at 27-13/16 (picked up).
||Photo Credit: Boone and Crockett
More info in boone-crockett.org, the article: New Record Grizzly Confirmed||

[gleaming crane]

Big EW blunder

[trail basalt]

Massive letdown

[covert patio]

Dont lose hope yet

[wary junco]

I mean, maybe they're saving Grizzlies on second map for a future map set in BC or maybe further north in Canada, to have them on a map with Polar Bears. We don't know for sure, but I think it's totally possible considering how EW has done things in the past.

still, leaving them out of the Alberta map is a big mistake in my opinion. It's really disappointing.

[covert patio]

another map would be cool, but i still think they should consider backfilling them in Alberta

[trail basalt]

I don't know, I feel like theyve stopped caring about CotW as a game or for the community. They reuse so many things without any changes whatsoever I don't think they ever actually read the most upvoted threads and just push the animals they want

[covert patio]

nah they do read... sometimes

[trail basalt]

Then I doubt they care

[regal orbit]

The Grizzly Bear is disappointed 😔

[regal orbit]

The last 7 species ended up with no reworked or new predator on the list. I was disappointed and felt like it was all just a bluff.

[zealous berry]

EW was like "You're not only not gonna get Polar Bears, but I'm gonna take Grizzlies away too" 💀

[balmy crane]

Please EW, give grizzlies some love. They deserve it. 🐻

[bold trellis]

Piebald? Fairly confident that this isn't a Tibetan bear.

[glass lotus]

Hard to say but the only place it’s been posted is tumblr so not exactly the best source and Tibetan blues can look like that I guess but they are all subspecies of brown bear so it’s not impossible that a grizzly might end up with a marking like that ( photos attached are all examples of blues)

[bold trellis]

ah hell it might be a blue bear 🥀

[glass lotus]

A hybrid might be a cool idea for a new rare tho like a grolar bear or something

[zealous berry]

We got Canada Goose remodel before Grizzly remodel 💀

[balmy crane]

Grizzly rework needed now!

[covert patio]

before the full list i wouldve thought you were joking

[regal orbit]

The Grizzly Bear has become more docile than ever. I dislike this behavior — it makes me lose interest in hunting grizzlies.
I often find them frozen in place, which ruins my experience.
I recorded this video so you can clearly see the main issue with the Grizzly Bears: the first grizzly is frozen, and the second one exhibits non-aggressive behavior and ends up running away. ☹️

Video Clip Credit: @regal orbit

[rough garnet]

You can tell which bear got the species update/notification about the new map. 😆

[regal orbit]

It seems the Grizzly Bear isn't covered by snow.

[zealous berry]

So is it only the animals from the new map get covered by snow? Shame ... I was hoping to hunt a Diamond Yak covered in snow soon

[bold trellis]

I tested grizzly aggression some time ago; approached a pair and only when i was like 10 meters away did they attempt to swat at me

One missed swipe and they ran off. Same for black bear

[swift sun]

What’s saying there’s an increasing possibility? What have they revealed?

[regal orbit]

Its attack mechanism was failing, it couldn't stalk me properly, and it didn't have good attack coordination. It was relatively easy to avoid the attack, as you can see in the video. The distance was 20 meters. I'm really disappointed with the grizzly bear.

[tidal zephyr]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1379496450773221438

im just gonna leave this here

[swift sun]

Which map should this remodel come with? Because remodels only seem to come with new map releases

[queen fjord]

There is still Hope for Alberta if they do something like this .... https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1224777679790669955

[swift sun]

Hunting seasons would be cool but i’d only prefer winter and summer seasons in some places, because it seems like it’ll be too much work to focus on other stuff for the devs

[gleaming crane]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1398463029783302155

[shut quest]

I can't bear the Grizzly models

[swift sun]

Hah!

[rare hull]

idk i think it looks a lot like freddy fazbear so maybe thats the angle they were actually going for

[swift sun]

Fnaf reserve upcoming

[rare hull]

hor hor hor hor hor

[wary junco]

Grizzly Bears are such an iconic animal, they ought to look as good as possible in COTW.

[lone jay]

Im hoping that these guys get remodeled in December with the next map. If they look even close to as good as the Bighorn, Mule Deer, and Mountain Goats look, they’ll be phenomenal,

[swift sun]

What map would they come with do you think? I heard some say south America

[wheat elbow]

Yukon grizzlies

[lone jay]

Grizzlies dont live n South America?

[swift sun]

Ah my bad i meant some say south America is the next upcoming map, not that grizzlies will come with it

[wheat elbow]

I want Kodiak bears in future

[lone jay]

The Grizzly bears we have in game are based on Kodiak Bears. No Inland Grizzly is gonna weigh 1500 pounds.

[wheat elbow]

I mean actual Kodiak bears not grizzlies not big enough in cotw

[lone jay]

The Grizzlies we have in game are literally based on Kodiak Bears. Same weight estimates and everything. If they were based on normal Inland Grizzly Bears their max weight estimates would be somewhere in the area of 350kg, not 680kg.

[swift sun]

Does make sense, since brown bears are bigger than grizzlies

[wheat elbow]

Kodiaks are Upto 1400 lbs

[lone jay]

Kodiaks in real life can weigh up to 1500 lbs, which is 680kgs. Thats the max weight for Grizzlies in COTW. They are literally just Kodiak Bears in every way except name.

[lone jay]

Well, Grizzlies ARE Brown Bears, it’s just that in North America we usually call any kind of Brown Bear a “Grizzly” because they look “Grizzled”. There’s still Kodiaks which are also a kind of Brown Bear, and Coastal Brown Bears which are also larger than the typical Grizzly.

[wheat elbow]

There not kodiaks they don’t live on the Kodiak arcapago island

[swift sun]

As far as i understand brown bears are the original species and grizzly bears are a subspecies, i think polar bears also are a part of the brown bear family

[wheat elbow]

Polar bears ain’t grizzlies family completely different species

Also kodiaks in the wild can get 751 kg (1,656 lb which is biggest one wats been shot by hunter

[lone jay]

They are based on Kodiak Bears. Key words: BASED ON. Yukon Valley is not based on any specific place in Alaska, and the “Grizzlies” on Yukon have the same weight as Kodiak Bears. The heaviest wild grizzly ever confirmed to be legit was a 544kg Grizzly shot in Central Alaska, and that was a very fat fall bear, not a lean summer bear. The “Grizzlies” on Yukon Valley, therefore, are not based on Inland Grizzlies in any way except for name. They are essentially Kodiak Bears (which are the same species as Grizzlies, simply a different subspecies).

[lone jay]

Polar Bears are “in the same family” as brown bears, but so is literally every other bear. Yes, Polar Bears are thought to have diverged from Brown Bears, but that doesn’t mean that they’re that closely related.

[wheat elbow]

It’s crazy to me that polar bears are scared of grizzlies

[swift sun]

Ah yeah true, just something i heard

[lone jay]

They’re not necessarily scared of Grizzlies, Polar Bears just don’t fight over resources as much as Grizzlies do, so when they encounter each other in the wild, Polar Bears will just leave it be instead of fight over whatever food or other resource is there.

[gleaming crane]

Nothing wants to die. They much prefer to prosper.

[lone jay]

Yes, this.

[bold trellis]

Insane that you have to keep explaining that to the guy. Multiple times over.

[lone jay]

I know…

[pine tangle]

The hunter classic. My first grizzly. 1. It see me 2. roar threateningly 3. stand up on paws and roar 4. rapidly attack and instant kill. Who made this perfect game?

[swift sun]

Hahaha that’s how the bears should be when you get close in cotw

[pine tangle]

The base 243 rifle allows drop on the spot a whitetail, fallow deer, mule etc. The same devs(maybe), guns, animals, (some maps) and so different games.

[tidal zephyr]

Probably Not Grizzlies….BUT Definitely Room for Cougars/Pumas/Mountain Lions to get A Remaster and a Much needed Rework….They do live in South America Too

[swift sun]

Grizzlies need that too, and why shouldn’t bears especially grizzlies be more aggressive?

[tidal zephyr]

If it’s in “South America”! If we get another NA Map like say “British Columbia” Then we Could Definitely See Grizzlies Getting it Too, in fact Same with Coyotes, Rocky Mt and Roosevelt Elk, And Blacktailed Deer, and Possibly Wild Boar! All 7 would get those Much Needed Remasters and Reworks then!

[swift sun]

Yea

[south sentinel]

British Columbia and the Canadian Arctic would be both fantastic reserves to have a Grizzly Remodel with

[tidal zephyr]

Yep and Cougar Remodel too….For BC that is

[south sentinel]

A cougar/puma remodel could also come with a South American Reserve considering the species ranges from Northern BC to Patagonia

[swift sun]

Yeah @tidal zephyr didn’t you say something about the maps coming this year would be south of the north pole and north of the south pole?

[wary junco]

I'm calling it now, the next map is gonna be on the planet Earth 🌍

[tidal zephyr]

Yeah if memory serves me correct I did see that

[swift sun]

If you think about it, technically it would mean the ocean, but i believe it to be the Americas

[rough garnet]

The grizzly grumbles, “I’d love to SCARE,
But alas—my eyes are hardly there!
I tanked a moose, missed eVeRy feeder..
Perhaps a remodel might help me see clearer.”

[glass lotus]

I thought Yukon valley was based on the Yukon river basin of Alaska?

[south sentinel]

I have always assumed it was at least based on the Alaskan Interior and more specifically the Yukon River Basin in Alaska

[glass lotus]

Wiki claims the Yukon river basin specifically though it doesn’t narrow things down a lot, it would suggest that the grizzly in game should be based on the mainland and not the Kodiak

But there’s also no ocean on the map so costal behaviors and weights can be ruled out as well I suppose

[south sentinel]

Plus if it was a coastal map, Kodiak Bears are only known from the Kodiak Archipelago and the appropriate subspecies could still be the Grizzly Bear. Now if it was a coastal Alaskan reserve set in Southwestern Alaska the appropiate subspecies would be the Alaskan Brown Bear (Ursus arctos gyas)

[glass lotus]

Recent genetics studies have actually shown the only true subspecies are the mainland grizzly (Ursus arctos horribilis) and the Kodiak bear. Outside the Kodiak bears all grizzly’s are apparently just fragmented populations of horribilis with other subspecies now being classified as ecotypes of horribilis

Took a sec but I tracked down the article https://conbio.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1523-1739.1998.96351.x

[south sentinel]

I did hear about that when I read about the Mexican and California grizzlies being lumped in with the regular Grizzly, I did not know that it also included the Alaskan Brown Bear, guess my point about the Grizzly Bear being the only appropriate subspecies of brown bear for Yukon Valley has a better standing then I thought

[lone jay]

I mean if you look at the in game map it looks like it’s based on the Kuskokwim river valley, but seeing as it’s an older map it’s probably based on a variety of regions throughout Alaska.

[lone jay]

Well the grizzly bear weights are very clearly based on Kodiak Bear/Coastal Brown Bear weights, since there’s absolutely no credible accounts of Grizzlies weighing 680kg (which is nigh on 1500 pounds). Heck, even Wikipedia lists 680kg as the highest peak weight for Kodiaks.

[glass lotus]

Yeah but I’m saying they shouldn’t be based on Kodiaks given the location the map is based on

[lone jay]

Agreed, they need a whole model remake and weight range change (seeing as we know EW is willing to change weight ranges based on both Bighorn subspecies and the Bobcats being changed in the past). The max should be around 450-500kg, seeing as the absolute heaviest grizzly ever credibly weighed was 544kg from Alaska, and that was an insanely fat bear about to go into hibernation.

[glass lotus]

True it’d be like the 865lb corn fed black bear that I got to mount irl being a normal diamond in game

Not my bear mind you, I was a taxidermist. Still crazy to see though that farmer was very happy. apparently he had a similar sized cinnamon on his land too but who knows if that’s truth. Least he had a hanging scale for his cattle to weigh it lol I don’t think it was a dressed weight tho.