Estancia el Totoral, a Waterfowl and Upland Paradise in Northern Argentina

[stone patio]

This reserve is more based on Northern Argentina and serves as the second waterfowl focused map, with a wide variety of South American duck species. It is also where one can pursue large flocks of dove in the farmlands. Other species present include familiar species like Axis Deer and Blackbuck and new species like Caiman, Armadillo and Capybara.

(Credit for the name of the area and several species inclusions goes to @rough lake)

Additional Feature that should of been added a while ago: A feature to deafen waterfowl sounds

Returning Species

• Puma
• Wild Boar
  • Alternatively the Wild Hogs from Mississippi would also work here
• Axis Deer
• Indian Blackbuck
• Cinnamon Teal
• Collared Peccary

Potential New Species

• Rosy-billed Pochard
• Silver Teal
• Brazilian Teal
• Ringed Teal
• Red Shoveler
• White-faced Whistling Duck
• Black-bellied Whistling Duck
• Giant Wood-rail (As suggested by Rexio.45.410)
• Chaco Chachalaca
• Chiloe Wigeon
• Common Perdiz/Spotted Nothura
• Eared Dove
• Monk Parakeet (yes you can hunt them irl)
• Picazuro Pigeon
• 9-banded Armadillo - Class 1
• Plains Viscacha - Class 1
• Coypu/Nutria - Class 2
• Jaguarundi - Class 2
• Pampas Fox - Class 2
• Yellow Anaconda - Class 2
• Brown Brocket Deer - Class 2
• Capybara - Class 3
• Yacare Caiman - Class 4
• Greater Rhea - Class 4
• White-lipped Peccary (as suggested by Rexio.45.410) - Class 3
• Fuluvous Whistling Duck
• Yellow-billed Teal
• Yellow-billed Pintail
• White-cheeked Pintail
• Brushland Tinamou
• Red-winged Tinamou

New Weapons

• 12 Gauge Semi-auto Shotgun
  • Given the amount of bird hunting here a 12 gauge semi will come in handy

New Items

• The 3 new teal will come into the same caller as Cinnamon Teal for the sake of simplicity
• The Pochard, Shovelers and Whistling Ducks all have their own callers
• All the new ducks alongside the Dove and Parakeet have decoys
• The decoys for the Dove and Parakeet have spinning wings

The Brocket Deer and Fox are Class 2, the Capybara are class 3 and the Caiman as class 4

(From top to bottom: Brocket Deer, Yacare Caiman, Plains Viscacha and Pampas Fox)

And before anyone ask, yes it is legal (and apparently encouraged) to hunt Monk Parakeet

[solid lava]

😳

[stone patio]

These are awesome pictures, kind of what I was picturing actually

[rough lake]

I would remove the Blackbuck and instead add the Pecari Labiado (Tayassu pecari) which is very abundant in wetland areas in northern Argentina 👌

[stone patio]

I was considering adding the White-lipped Peccary

[stone patio]

Consider it done

[warm birch]

Can we bench the Puma in favor of Jaguar please

[stone patio]

No, I came up with this reserve to be focused on smaller animals (11 bird species and the largest animal being class 5) hence the title “South American Waterfowl Reserve”. That is the explanation I will give. There is also the fact that the hunting of jaguars is prohibited in the majority of the countries they live in

[warm birch]

Yeah that makes sense.
Makes me wonder if they could add a rare animal like that and give the "invalid target" prompt when a player attempts to shoot it. 🤔

[stone patio]

Too many people would complain about it

[warm birch]

Fair enough 😅

[rough lake]

Waterfowl species and each call
http://avesdelchaco.com.ar/1paginave/fotosnop1.htm

[stone patio]

Ok thats pretty cool

[silent cairn]

I actually really like this idea, it's pretty unique and different from all of the other ideas that I've seen people post.

[rough lake]

Something that I would expect to see in this reserve to one side of the main outpost is a Eucalyptus tree, in the ranches of northern Argentina it is customary to have one to provide shade for domestic cattle, as lightning rods to protect houses, and so that monk parakeet use it to make their nests instead of electricity poles

[stone patio]

Given the amount of bird hunting that could be expected among other things, a skeet shooting range would be a fantastic addition to this reserve

[grave spruce]

That's when you need a pellet gun

[meager oar]

Love it

[stone patio]

New Changes: I added the Picazuro Pigeon and Chiloé Wigeon to the list and re-included the Blackbuck (the image shown is the duck I added to the list). I will eventually add pictures of all the other duck species that are on the species list

Another New Weapon that will come with this reserve alongside the 12 Gauge Semi-auto will be some sort of Rifle that can cover either classes 2-7 or 2-6, I’m just not sure weather to do a 7mm-08 Scout Rifle or what not

The Prized Bird of this Reserve: The Rosy-billed Pochard

The 2 Whistling Ducks: The White-faced and the Black-bellied. The White-faced Whistling duck also live in much of Sub-Saharan Africa while the Black-bellied ranges up into the Southern US

The 3 Teals (in order): The Ringed Teal, the Brazilian Teal and the Silver Teal

The Eared Dove and the Picazuro Pigeon. While we will never get the giant clouds of dove in this game, they could have larger flock sizes that number up to 30 birds

The Perdiz or Common Nothura, another upland species that lives on the reserve

[rough lake]

I will mention that the Viscachas would use the same mechanics that the European Rabbits currently use.
The Viscachas live in burrows called "Vizcacheras" very similar to the Burrows that we have in the game, but unlike rabbits, the Viscachas only come out of their burrows at night to feed and move away within a radius of 100 or 200mts for later. run to hide inside if scared or attacked..
They also tend to accumulate rocks, bones, branches and even metal objects in front of their burrows, adding some would be a good detail to differentiate them from those that exist now.

[silent cairn]

It's possible that the White-Faced Whistling Duck could also be backfilled onto Vurhonga, while the Black-Bellied Whistling Duck could be backfilled onto Mississippi Acres. I think both of those maps could benefit from another duck species being backfilled onto them.

[stone patio]

That would make the hunting interest for sure

[stone patio]

As for the 2 whistling ducks, I do agree that they would make for excellent back-fills

[grave spruce]

@rough lake at first I thought the animals that made those burrows were chinchillas.

[rough lake]

They are similar, they belong to the same family as chinchillas, but Vizchachas are gigantic, weighing up to 8kg and measuring 70cm

[grave spruce]

Dang. That's a big rodent. Are they native to the region you want to make this map?

[rough lake]

Yes they are native

[rough lake]

I forgot that there is a very common small game species in the wetlands of Northern Argentina, the Giant Wood-rail (Aramides ypecaha). It would be great to have it, I can't imagine a wetland without any of them, or at least have their song on the map XD

• Name in Argentina: Ipacaá
• English name: Giant Wood-Rail
Conservation Status: Least Concern (According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature)

Size of 48 centimeters.
Dorsal olive brown. Abdomen and flanks cinnamon-pink. Rump and tail black.

It inhabits grasslands and marginal shrubby areas of forests along watercourses or in the vicinity of lagoons, marshes and floodplains. It is present throughout the country, being an abundant species.

It usually appears in pairs. Frequently ventures into open spaces, either in the field or on plowed land. It is an extremely walker, with a rhythmic gait and an erect tail that is constantly twitching spasmodically. When alarmed, it starts a quick run and can make a relatively short flight, just above the grasslands.

It feeds on mollusks, arthropods, and other invertebrates, as well as plant matter.

His voice is very powerful and audible at a distance. On certain occasions there can be crepuscular choirs, which seem to derive from a large number of individuals, who are as if adding, in a chain, one after another, after the pioneer. One of the indigenous names of the bird, "ipecaá" derives, although not in a transparent way, from the onomatopoeia of this phrase. It emits it preferably in the evening twilight, but during the breeding season it does so at any time of the day.

[stone patio]

It has been added to the list

[rough lake]

They produce an infrasound along with their singing, it's quite unique and can be heard up to a kilometer xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9hj-10Hfno&ab_channel=adalaves

[stone patio]

Weapons of the Reserve

12 Gauge Semi-auto
* Magazine: 3+1
* Same ammo as other 12 gauge shotguns
* This shotgun is a must have for hunting birds all over the world weather it is goose in Finland or ducks in Argentina, you won’t regret buying this weapon
* Cost: 30,000 credits

350 Legend Bolt-action Rifle
* Ammo
* 350 Legend Hollow-points
* 350 Legend Polymer Tips
* Classes: 2-7
* Magazine: 5
* Weight: 3.5
* Zeroing: 50, 100 & 200 meters
* This rifle is the perfect weapon for hunting medium sized game, weather it is white-tail deer in the USA, capybara in the Argentine marshes or hog deer in the Australian backcountry
* Based on: Ruger American Ranch Rifle
* Cost: 15,000 credits
* I needed a Rifle for the reserve

I have yet to come up with a proper name for this reserve but I do having something of a story

Basically the Warden was given this position by his father (who wanted to retire a few years earlier) and has decided to expand the hunting opportunities on the reserve. As it stands the reserve is famous for 3 things: Doves, Ducks and Dorado and he was to make the reserves other game animals worth coming here for weather you want to hunt deer and blackbuck in the savannah or caiman and capybara along the rivers and lakes. One of the Side Missions will be similar to the Trophy Lodge mission on Parque but you will only have to get gold medal animals. (Basic Story I know)

(Here is a picture of a Golden Dorado for those unfamiliar)

[rough lake]

I think the semi-auto 12 Ga will be the best option, it is the most popular among waterfowl hunters in northern Argentina due to its stability and precision, it is the goal when hunting ducks and doves

As soon as I can, I will make a context for the reserve using the problem of livestock exploitation in the wetland areas of the Gran Chaco, and the conversion of the ranch to hunting tourism, it would be a good option to represent the importance of hunting and conservation in northern argentina 👌

[stone patio]

This would work real well, as when I was reading up on the ecoregions that could be represented on this reserve it seems livestock cause a lot of problems (among other things)

[rough lake]

That's right, they devour too many native aquatic plants, erode the wetland floor with the constant stepping of their hooves, and with their droppings they disperse too many acacia tree seeds

[grave spruce]

How about new blinds for this map? Like fixed around the lakes maybe 2-3 per lake or area you have those blinds that are dug into the ground.

[stone patio]

Its from classic but I get the feeling these would be neat

These waterfowl blinds should be able to hold more then one player, with one player blasting the callers while the other 2 shoot

[grave spruce]

Yeah. I am sort of talking about that style. I think the 350 legend would be an excellent gun. Although would you consider it giving it polymer tips since it does have those in real life.

[stone patio]

I was actually considering Polymer Tips, I guess it could be that one rifle that has both Hollow Points and Polymer Tips

[grave spruce]

Well I just thought about it. I don't know. Do you think the devs if the map ever happens would make the gun a 3-7 or a 4-8 class weapon? Since it does shoot a 35 caliber bullet?

[stone patio]

I wish the Mosin was still a class 2-7 gun

[grave spruce]

I haven't played the game all that much. I didn't know that the mosin was a 2-7 class gun. It needs polymer tips so bad.

[stone patio]

It was for a short time, and yes polymer tips would make it even better

[grave spruce]

Have the polymer tips have a penetration of 37 and an expansion of 10 or 12.

[rough lake]

INTRO:
**Warden: **"As you can see these areas are not very productive, they are not suitable for cultivation, the soil is very sandy and too wet all year for any planting, there is a small farm to the north but it only produces enough to feed the chickens, the 2 main activities to make a profit from these lands are felling trees and raising cattle, because my family loves these lands they never extract from them or exploit them more than they need, nor do we hunt more than what we go to eat, however the cows still devour many plants from the wetlands, they erode the low areas and their droppings disperse tree seeds to places where they should not be and they have to be moved to another area after several months, and more than 200 years of doing the same is taking its toll on this land...
Now that my father has given me the reins of the ranch, I think it's time to make a change..."

"Nature has blessed us with a great abundance of game animals and I believe that years of experience in these lands and knowledge about them will allow us to manage them properly, that is why we began the transition to convert this ranch into a game reserve, There are still things to do but with your help and great hunting experience I'm sure we can finish this...
Do not underestimate the field work, after all through everything so you will know the whole ranch, I will be guiding you and sharing the experience that through generations has been inherited to me, by the time we finish you will be one more of this land...
Let's begin...."

[median flame]

Just a little advert. When your hunting your waterfowl how better a way to travel and hunt them on your very own boat or canoe if you like to see this added to the game give this post a like https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1085487574610616371 thanks

[stone patio]

Might as well bump this up

[stone patio]

I might bump this up and see if we can round that 47 up to a 50

[silent cairn]

Would this new map have the most species of any map in the game? Revontuli has 19 species, would this map beat that number?

[rough lake]

I suppose that the number will depend on the developers but the number of possible species is equal to or greater than that of Revontuli, if I'm not mistaken there are 19 species of Ducks that inhabit and can be hunted in northern Argentina, they are almost all the species of ducks of america

[violet mountain]

2 from 50!

[stone patio]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1093270680038027294 promoting this since it covers the idea of new waterfowl species for existing reserves

[stone patio]

I just noticed I did not include a picture of the Red Shoveler despite it being on this list so here it is

[violet mountain]

Oooo

That would be so cooll

[rough lake]

I think that structure would be a great addition to the Duck & Cover Pack in case this reserve is released since in the wetlands of northern Argentina the Broadleaf cattail are extremely common and grow in any waterlogged terrain, they are normally used as a hiding place for hunting, it also has no effect on the landscape cutting them to assemble hideouts as they regenerate incredibly fast

[stone patio]

I just saw that this reserve has 50 upvotes, glad to see it

[violet mountain]

Very nice

[stone patio]

Something like this would be a fine addition and would be located near the main lodge https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1099896050766057582

[spiral escarp]

Bump

[craggy schooner]

Love the idea, but COTW has Parque Fernando located in Argentina

A perfect South American COTW waterfowl map would be in Bolivia or Uruguay

[stone patio]

The description given for Parque puts it down in Southern Argentina (a shame the icon on the map puts much further north) where as this one is a lot further north (within Argentina). Plus Argentina is big enough to hold 2 reserves at least and I still wanted the reserve to have some big game on it

[stone patio]

I might as well bring this reserve up again

[stone patio]

I wonder how people would feel if I added feral sheep and nutria to this reserve?

[stone patio]

Also here is the species list so far

[meager oar]

Great idea, could open up the possibility of nutria added to Layton and Mississippi and feral sheep to Te

[rough lake]

It is feasible to add Nutrias, they are very numerous and harmful to the ecosystem when their population increases, they inhabit the same habitats as Capybaras

However, there are no feral populations of Goats and Sheep, they are raised as cattle but when they are abandoned by their owners or separated from their herds they are quickly preyed on by Pumas 😔

[stone patio]

Good to know, and with pumas being on this reserve, that prevents feral sheep from being present

The Coypu (Nutria) for those unfamiliar

[rough lake]

The Puma subspecies of northern Argentina (Puma concolor cabrerae) is somewhat peculiar, it is much smaller than that of NA or Patagonia, weighs less and looks slimmer, they are mostly nomadic, they follow the packs of Collared Peccaries and White-lipped Peccaries that are also nomadic , they only establish themselves in a territory when they have cubs, normally near the pig dens or near a rural settlement where they can constantly hunt sheep or goats to feed and teach their young to hunt, they are quite harmful at that stage, they arrive to exterminate entire herds of goats or sheep if they are not controlled 🔥
It's the reason there are no wild goats

[stone patio]

I did not know that, learning something new everyday

[stone patio]

Gonna bring this one back up

[rough lake]

In recent years the use of air weapons has become very popular in Argentina, I would not rule out adding a PcP Air Double Barrel Shotgun to this reserve

Ammo Birdshot pellets .50 (Class 1)
Ammo 9mm bullet pellets .50 (Class 2-3)
Ammo .50 pellets (Class 4-7)

The definitive Air Weapon xD

[spark imp]

This request is amazing, just wondering if it is legal to hunt this specific subspecies of caiman in Argentina. I know that for a lot of species of caiman, it is illegal to even own one, let alone hunt it

[stone patio]

That is a good question, one I don’t have an answer to unfortunately

[stone patio]

That isn’t in no way referencing weather it is legal to hunt or not, it is simply saying that illegal hunting is a threat to their populations

Now that the topic is brought up regarding caiman in the context of this thread, I may be going down a rabbit hole for a bit

[rough lake]

Yes, I think we should remove it, although they can be hunted on private land, they are not included among the species that can be part of a "Coto de Caza" (Hunting Reserve) 😦

[stone patio]

So they can be hunted on private land, I see

||(And seeing as how Emerald Coast is a new map and not necessarily a reserve….)||

I will have to think on this, but thank you for the information
I suppose there is a 50/50 chance caiman will be removed

[rough lake]

If we better leave it to the criteria of the study in case they design the reserve xD
I just saw that the Collared Peccary is not on the list, you can also add it since this area is its native habitat

There is also another native bird that can be added, Chaco chachalaca (Ortalis canicollis), later I will make a summary and details of taxonomy and behavior to see if it is worth adding it, if we rule out its hiding in the trees mechanics its behavior is identical to the one Rock Ptarmigan, they make a lot of sounds just like them

[stone patio]

Making the Chachalaca one of those birds you have to flush was my line of thinking when I included it on my Yucatan reserve

[stone patio]

Also is the bird?

[stone patio]

I didn’t end up removing the caiman but did add a note regarding the private land thing you mentioned

[rough lake]

It is that...
The species of Chachalaca that inhabits the north of Argentina has a more terrestrial behavior than the subspecies of other regions, it would be great to place it with a behavior equal to that of the upland birds but no need to shoot them on the fly

They have smaller wings and are clumsy flying, they do not fly high or for long

[stone patio]

If this reserve does get added to the game, I’m gonna flush them anyways

[stone patio]

Seeing as how I have a name for my Arctic Reserve, I figured it was time to have a name for this waterfowl-focused hunting area located in Northern Argentina and this is what I narrowed down too

Potential Reserve Names

• Rancho del Chaco 1️⃣
• Rio Iberá 2️⃣

The first name is alluding to the fact that this hunting area is currently a cattle ranch that is set to be converted to a game reserve.
The second one is because there is a large river cutting through the area, and as a result part of the reserve is covered in flooded savannahs and swamps that the numerous waterfowl species call home

Choose 1️⃣ or 2️⃣ for which name would work better

If you have a better name for this area I am all ears

[median flame]

Aroa sky's
Is a suggestion of a name from me but I like 2️⃣

[stone patio]

The second name idea was inspired the Iberá Wetlands in Argentina

[rough lake]

Normally the properties in North Argentina are not called Ranchos, here they are called Estancias, it is the legal synonym used to register a property with the purpose of producing cattle, they also carry simple names of some native tree, animal or plant that is abundant within the property, or a name that denotes the relief or geographical feature of the area since in the past this was the way to recognize an area when passing through it...
Taking this into account, I would like to propose one of the following names:

**Estancia el Totoral **
(Totoral is the name given to a wetland area where many Totoras (southern cattail) grow)

Estancia los Bañados
(Bañados is a name given to a large group of wetlands)

Estancia el Tajamar
(Tajamar is A name given to a piece of land or long bend in a stream that diverts the flow of water and reduces its depth, usually enough to create a wetland)

**Estancia los Siriris **
(Siriri is the local/common name given to all species of wild ducks or whistling ducks)

[stone patio]

I think I will go with the first one off your list

Estancia el Totoral, a Waterfowl Paradise South of the Equator

[latent salmon]

I really love this map concept, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy this DLC if it were ever released (I’d even pay a bit extra if it meant I’d get more waterfowl species). I personally like maps with a more rural setting rather than complete wilderness so an ex-cattle ranch would be amazing. The name is excellent btw, makes it seem like a really immersive map which I’m sure it would be with how much thought has gone into it.

[grim knot]

Wait till Jaxy has to pronounce this one 🤣

[rough lake]

Would a logo like this be good? XD

[median flame]

Very nice

[stone patio]

Yes, that is a very fitting logo

[rough lake]

⬆️

[carmine lark]

That's sick!! I want to try to make a logo for this one too, but ... out of respect for you making one first, only with your permission. So, may I?

[rough lake]

Yes, no problem, any contribution is welcome 💪🏼

[carmine lark]

Well, here it is, tried to make a logo for this map suggestion that would suit COTW

And here it is on the World Map.
(With some of the other Icons with other map suggestions)

[meager oar]

Seeing all of them on there is so surreal,I’d love to see all of these.This looks like what the reserve map should look like

[vast raft]

Bump!

[stone patio]

23 till this one joins the 100 club, I might add some more stuff to this sometime this week (Regions of the reserve, multi-mounts, etc)

[orchid prairie]

We definitely need more waterfowl in the game! I support this

[stone patio]

Well this reserve has 9 duck species to hunt and 6 other bird species to hunt

[orchid prairie]

I am all for adding more waterfowl

[meager oar]

We need that 12 gauge semi,If you’re looking for a specific one I’d love to see the browning a5 ingame

[orchid prairie]

I would what a stoeger m3500, that what I duck hunt with irl

[meager oar]

Even better since the browning a5 is such an old gun it could be a mission weapon,the actual gun that comes with the reserve could be the m3500

[orchid prairie]

YES! I love that

[stone patio]

A 12 Gauge Semi-auto is one of the weapons I would also want with this reserve

I also included a rifle chambered in 350 Legend so we could have a class 2-7 rifle

[orchid prairie]

The m3500 is semi auto

[vast raft]

I'd love to see more south/central american reserves in the game. This one, alongside the mexican one, would be perfect! I'm all for these

[latent salmon]

I made a topographic map for this reserve since I love the idea so much.

You’ll notice there is little variation in topography, this was due to the Gran Chaco being so completely flat IRL 😅

I also added irrigation canals and stock ponds in places to show how the area was once a working cattle ranch, they would also be great places for jump shooting waterfowl.

If you like it feel free to use it or edit it as you wish. I just make them for fun.

[orchid prairie]

I love the map. I'd be all for it!

[latent salmon]

I’m glad, I’ve never been to the Gran Chaco so I can’t speak for how accurate it is but I tried to base it off the topography in the area from maps I found.

[meager oar]

This looks fantastic,I don’t have my hands on the map and I’m already picturing where I’d be setting up

[latent salmon]

It could use a few areas with lakes and more open water, I didn’t want it to feel too congested however.

[stone patio]

I can already see where I can observe Capybara being chill while I hunt caiman and duck

[tame kayak]

Would be cool if Capybaras can escape into water like they do in real life, maybe a similar mechanic to crocs of course this would apply to Capybaras that are near water but if they are on land they would flee like normal.

[stone patio]

That would be perfect

[latent salmon]

With vegetation added, I tried to make it appear “semi-cultivated”. Like farmland being returned to wilderness.

[rough lake]

That's a surprisingly accurate map, this is what one of flooded low/wet forests looks like

[latent salmon]

That’s surprising to myself as well lol. I based the topography off satellite imagery but the vegetation was just guesswork on how I thought such an area should look. Glad it turned out mostly accurate.

[rough lake]

The areas far from the water to the east and west of the map would be covered by leafy forests of native trees, the intermediate zone between the forest and the water would be covered by soils with semi-dry grasslands and palm trees, and the central zone furrowed by the waters wetlands and rivers covered with floating vegetation 👌🏼

[latent salmon]

That’s actually how I imagined it. I positioned the larger forests on the edge of the map away from the water. Most vegetation around the waters edge I imagined to be scrub and reeds.

[rough lake]

27°07'28.7"S, 59°05'30"W

This is the coordinate of the map capture that I made, if you zoom in on the sides of the main water channel you will be able to see the palm trees with the grasslands (apparently at the time that Google made the satellite capture there was no water xD)

That area looks like this, when there is little water in the main channel it has tall and dry grasslands, and when there is water in the channel the grassland is reduced and short and green

[silent cairn]

This idea is coming together very nicely, I can totally imagine this being the next map that comes to the game

[vague wagon]

i love it

[meager oar]

I am getting hyped for this and it doesn’t even exist.

[vast raft]

Beautiful!! It reminds me of the lowlands of northeastern Brazil, with the carnaúba palms. This map needs to be added 😆

[violet mountain]

Getting close to 100

[stone patio]

This could reach 100 by the end of the summer no doubt

[stone patio]

Bring this guy back up

[tepid nova]

Well earned bump

[stone patio]

Oh dang 8 away from 100

[tepid nova]

zamn

[meager oar]

Definite bump

[tepid nova]

bump

[stone patio]

Bump

[pearl kiln]

Seven away from 100, let's keep it up!

[stone patio]

4 more away from 100

[supple oasis]

Investing

[stone patio]

Bump

[pearl kiln]

Celebratory 100 votes bump

[stone patio]

💯

[violet mountain]

Woot

[stone patio]

Bump

[stone patio]

Bump

[meager oar]

Bump

[stone patio]

Bump

[stone patio]

[stone patio]

Bump

[stone patio]

Bump again for a South American Waterfowl map

[rough lake]

Some more Info...

...the cows still devour many plants from the wetlands, they erode the low areas...

This is what an overexploited Gran Chaco wetland area looks like..
Even if you zoom in on the area in satellite view you will be able to see the cattle standing on the devastated land.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GLpLg3AGddUk6cQJA
(Change Map Layers and put Satellite)

[rough lake]

Just a bump and some more legal hunting species..

-Fulvous Whistling-duck (Dendrocygna bicolor)
-Yellow-billed teal (Anas flavirostris)
-Yellow-billed pintail (Anas georgica)
-White-cheeked pintail (Anas bahamensis)

[stone patio]

Made a new list of species: Possible Species and included them alongside a pair of tinamou species that were listed in that pdf

[stone patio]

Now this is the second reserve of mine to have a Returning Species list, a New Species list and a Possible Species List after #1070045518002147458

[rough lake]

bump

[stone patio]

For weapons for this reserve so far

• 12 Gauge Semi-auto Shotgun (Howcome we still don't have this)
• 350 Legend Bolt-action Rifle (Classes 2 to 7)
• Based on the Ruger American Ranch Rifle
• 50 Calibre Double Barrel PCP Air Shotgun (As suggested by @rough lake a while ago)
• Birdshot Pellets for the ducks and upland
• 9mm bullet pellets (Classes 2 to 3)
• 50 Calibre Airgun Pellets (Classes 4 to 7)

And that leaves room for one more weapon (Seeing as both my Canadian Arctic and West African reserves both have 4 weapons)

• 45/410 Revolving Carbine, basically the Mangiafico 410/45 Colt in a carbine form
• Comes with 410 Slugs which would be a Class 2 to 4 Ammo
• Can mount the Handgun Scope
• Would be fun to hunt small game with (Based on the Rossi Circut Judge)

[native totem]

i like bird

[rough lake]

Bump

At some point they will add a reserve with these little ones to be able to have backfilling in others, could certainly use the same mechanics and animations as the current raccoons.

[silent cairn]

The Armadillo would be a great backfill to Rancho and Mississippi

[stone patio]

Bump for the new year (even though it was a few days ago)

[stone patio]

Also dropping a hint for a future reserve concept of mine here: It will be another South American reserve, but this time in the jungles, and no it is neither the Amazon Rainforest nor the Orinoco River Basin, but it is close to both and there will be no jaguars due to their protected status, that is all I have to say for now

[stone patio]

Bump

[silent cairn]

bump

[valid lake]

bump

[violet mountain]

Bump

[finite owl]

I believe the shotgun should be 3+1. The 20 semi is 2+1 and it doesn’t feel like there are enough shots to effectively kill everything in the flock that could be shot and the 12 has more power than the 20 and thus can hit birds at a further range. I consistently shoot 5 shells out of the cacciatore but the legal limit for waterfowl in my area and I believe most of the US is 2+1 and I’d like to keep some realism while also playing a game this is why I think 3+1 is a logical number.

[stone patio]

I will also look into fixing that little bit later tonight

The 3 shot limit for bird hunting is the same up here in Canada too

[stone patio]

I may still check to see what class I had Armadillo on but if it is Class 1 it can stay

[stone patio]

Made the Shotgun a 3+1 capacity

[stone patio]

Bump

[stone patio]

Bump

[stone patio]

Edited the White-lipped Peccary Weapon Class the match the Collared Peccary

[stone patio]

bump

[pearl tusk]

Aww I wanted to make a map Idea like this. It'd be a waste time now

I'm running out of ideas now and I don't know where to go now I've made many map ideas and they've done bad

[stone patio]

Added a note regarding a much needed feature regarding the waterfowl noise

[rough lake]

bump

[stone patio]

Seeing as how the next map could possibly be in South America, lets bring this one back up, even if the second South American map is in more of a rainforest area

[stone patio]

🦆

[stone patio]

🦆🔫

[stone patio]

In case anyone wants to know what all the potential species I have so far on the list

Big Game: Puma, Axis Deer, Blackbuck, White-lipped Peccary, Collared Peccary, Brown Brocket Deer, Capybara, Yacare Caiman

Small Game: Pampas Fox, 9-banded Armadillo, Coypu/Nutria, Plain Viscahca

Waterfowl: Fulvous Whistling Duck, Yellow-billed Teal, Yellow-billed Pintail, White-cheeked Pintail, Cinnamon Teal, Rosy-billed Pochard, Silver Teal, Brazilian Teal, Ringed Teal, Red Shoveler, White-faced Whistling Duck, Black-bellied Whistling Duck, Chiloe Wigeon

Upland + Other Birds: Giant Wood Rail, Chaco Chachalaca, Common Perdiz/Spotted Nothura, Eared Dove, Picazuro Pigeon, Monk Parakeet, Brushland Tinamou & Red-winged Tinamou

[stone patio]

Now as far as potential species I wouldn't mind adding, here is a couple

• Greater Rhea
• Wild Boar or Feral Pigs (aka Wild Hogs), but we can't have both

[rough lake]

Since we will not take into account the Hunting Reserve Law, let's add the Jaguarundi (Herpailurus yagouaroundi), a species that is usually hunted on private lands

[stone patio]

A class 2 species then

[stone patio]

Do rheas get hunted on private land too?

[rough lake]

Correct, they are also hunted on private lands.

[stone patio]

Both have been added to the new species list

[rough lake]

There are 2 other species of wetland birds that are hunted on private land, the Jabiru (Jabiru mycteria) and the Southern Screamer (Chauna torquata).

Jabiru (Jabiru mycteria) a giant that measures 1.5 meters in height and 2 meters in wingspan.

Southern Screamer (Chauna torquata) a very common species in all the wetlands of northern Argentina, monogamous and always found in pairs.

[stone patio]

I have more then enough birds on the list, but I guess I am learning that a lot of species get shot on private lands in Argentina

[stone patio]

bump

[untold moss]

Could include the long-awaited Jaguar in this map, since jaguars live in some areas of northern argentina (and are native to most of the country besides)

[stone patio]

I won't, plus if Jaguars ever get added to the game, it would be on a reserve set in a country like Suriname or Guyana (#1207357430963507281 ), this reserve is meant to be more of a winghshooting reserve with some big game species

[untold moss]

why not add it? I don't get that, if the reserve depicts an area's environment, then depict that environment. Jaguars won't take away from wingshooting, it'll just make it more interesting for big game hunters.

[stone patio]

I said I will not add Jaguars and that will be the end of it, plus I linked a fantastic reserve concept by another community member that includes Jaguar

[untold moss]

Are you making the reserve?

[placid kernel]

There are 200-30 Jaguars in Argentina and plus on this reserve it doesn't make sense

[stone patio]

Its a concept of a future reserve I would like to see, EW will do their own thing if they do a second South American Reserve and part of the reason I direct people who want Jaguars towards #1207357430963507281 is because if EW does another South American reserve for COTW its likely to be a region with rainforest

[untold moss]

@stone patio @meager oar let's move here if we wanna continue debating, not that I really care very much past the principle that maps should always do their best to provide a holistic depiction of the area they're set in

[meager oar]

You claim you want Maned Wolf despite wanting “to make it the best and most realistic” which is the complete opposite, not to mention they live in a complete opposite direction of Parque Fernando (also 90% of the population mostly living in a country that doesn’t like hunting much (heavy understatement)

[untold moss]

this isn't about parque fernando, which is in patagonia, this is about Estancia el Totoral, which would be in northern argentina, an area that maned wolves definitely call home

also, the locals liking hunting or not doesn't really matter much to this game, the player character was canonically raised on a south african game preserve, and is a globetrotting professional hunter that hunts just about everything that moves even if you don't accept Vurhonga Savannah's backstory for the player. Also, many Nepalese people are religiously opposed to the idea of hunting wildlife (as is mentioned in the DLC), so local's opinions doubly do not matter in the creation of maps. A good map offers new and interesting prey to players who like to hunt all sorts of game - even if a region is better for one thing or another. For example, Sundarpatan is tailored to big game hunters, while Revontuli is tailored to bird hunters.

[stone patio]

You really want to drag a debate that should have ended yesterday

As I have said, go ahead and make your own Northern Argentina Reserve suggestion

[untold moss]

I don't want to continue this debate, you just insist on being wrong, and passive aggressive about it the whole time which makes me want to keep reminding of just how stupid you're being. It's a shame that such a closed-minded and unpleasant person has done so much good work for suggesting interesting map locations in this game, because I was really hoping I could make myself useful in helping to make your work even better. See you round.

[meager oar]

Cool, start researching.

[placid kernel]

A lot of people hunt birds in nepal

[placid kernel]

You said in the Amazon idea that it should be realistic. Brother this is realistic. If you're wondering about tigers, Nepal has been thinking of selling tags for high prices so maybe that's what influenced EW

[untold moss]

wikipedia map for maned wolf distribution, other maps from specialized orgs indicate they live as far south as Rosario

[untold moss]

good, that's why they included interesting new native birds in the nepal map for people who want to do just that

[meager oar]

For your reserve concept. Moose can pick whatever species he wants and doesn’t want to add to his concept, stop dragging it out.

[stone patio]

Now calling someone stupid is not a good way to make your point

[topaz sentinel]

We already have Parque Fernado based in Argentina why would we need a reserve for species that should've been added originally. You can add all those species into the current map and they would fit in.

[untold moss]

It's not my reserve, nor will it be Moose's. It's gonna be EW's reserve, in their game, developed mostly independently of whatever we yell about in here

[meager oar]

It’s YOUR Concept. Make it

[untold moss]

the land and the ecosystem exists independently of us, and the goal should be depicting it

[meager oar]

Because EW doesn’t work like that. I’d much rather a new map that’s perfectly set up for the purpose than one that isn’t and completely messes with parque’s populations.

[stone patio]

Truthfully some of the bird species should have been on Parque to begin with

[topaz sentinel]

you say mess with populations but the only exclusive is the cinnamon teal. And they would already backfill Parque with new species from the new SA reserve. Does need more species but maybe not specifally Argentina we already have Patagonia. Peru or Bolivia/Uruguay would be much better location for what you want.

[untold moss]

Argentina is more than Patagonia, you know

[meager oar]

Te Awaroa didn’t get Tahr and Cuatro didn’t get Chamois, I’m not sure what your point is.

[topaz sentinel]

Yes which make them good maps cause they are exclusive to their respectful maps. Mule deer eventually added, Axis deer eventually added, Blackbuck and Water Bufflao eventually added.

[meager oar]

The new maps don’t bring backfills. EW doesn’t like backfilling, they’ve said this already.

And that is why… because it messes up animal populations!

[topaz sentinel]

They backfill old species into new maps. They remodeled Blackbuck and Water Buffalo but there were already exclusively found in Parque, not anymore with Sunderpatan. Same with Axis Deer and Emerald Coast. Same with Mule Deer with rancho and silver ridge peaks. Any zone that gets deleted from Parque for a new species would make the map more enticing. Good theres only cinnamon teal on Parque Fernando do you not understand that? I can go to Silver Ridge Peaks and hunt Mountain Lions same model as Pumas or Mule Deer. GOOD IF THE ANIMAL POPULATIONS ARE MESSED CAUSE ITS AN OUTDATED DLC MAP!

[meager oar]

Those aren’t backfills lol, those maps are made with those species in mind.

[stone patio]

Funny how we went from me being called stupid and passive aggressive because my stubborn ass refuses to include Jaguars on my concept list and now people are debating backfills

[topaz sentinel]

Too eventually be backfilled into newer maps?

[meager oar]

Backfills ≠ Returning species lol, completely different thing. Backfills are what happened in The Granite Update as a filler for the lack of new species on NEM.

[topaz sentinel]

If a map is designed for those species to eventually become returning species doesn't sound like a good map.

Looks like they learned with there new maps anyways adding as many NATIVE species as possible

[meager oar]

Backfill ≠ Returning species lol

[topaz sentinel]

I got it. But there’s no difference both are returning of an older species just one is in a new map one is in an old map. Fine Axis Deer and Water Buffalo and Blackbuck were returning species. Doesn’t change Mule Deer being backfilled. Most of these species can be introduced to Parque

[topaz sentinel]

Also as if this changes from the map not being boring or outdated.

[meager oar]

So believe it or not each map has a set population and each species also has a set population, whenever EW wants to (which is right around never) they have to mess with or ruin the balance.

[topaz sentinel]

What’s wrong with cutting the population it’s too large look at Sunderpatan

[meager oar]

Parque has the EXACT opposite problem😭

[stone patio]

Bump

[stone patio]

I have one more potential species for this reserve, and no it is not the Jaguar.

I am introducing the Yellow Anaconda

It would be a Class 2 reptile where head shots are a must

As for multimounts with this snake I have a couple

• Caiman Crush: 1 Yacare Caiman being constricted by 1 Yellow Anaconda (both would be female)
• Hungry Snake: 1 Yellow Anaconda (Female) and 1 Brown Brocket Deer (Male)
• Serpentine Battle: 1 Puma (Male) and 1 Yellow Anaconda (Male)
  As one can tell from the multi-mounts, the females will be the ones scoring diamond, and while a large yellow anaconda may only get 12 1/2 feet long and 120 pounds, their larger cousin alongside Jaguar will feature on a reserve concept I am finializing

Since Sundarpatan came out with roughly half of their species being illegal to hunt IRL in Nepal (yes Blackbuck are a protected species that is off limits to hunting in Nepal), this opened the doors for what is possible regarding species, I still believe that all future reserves will still be set in countries that allow hunting which means my next reserve concept will not be in Brazil but in Peru, and there will be Andean White-tails there too (Can't be a Peruvian Hunting Reserve without them)

[placid kernel]

I believe multimounts should be interchangeable between gender

[stone patio]

While I mostly agree with you (Some multi-mounts are gendered for a reason), I listed the Anaconda mutli-mounts to showcase the very fact that its the females that will make diamond most of the time

[stone patio]

Now I have an extremely good reason to never include Jaguar into this concept: the #1272921994840768632

[placid kernel]

bump

[stone patio]

I'm bumping this back up

[stone patio]

A Summary of the Weapons of the Reserve

12 Gauge Semi-auto

• Magazine: 3+1
• Same ammo as other 12 gauge shotguns
• Cost: 30,000 credits

350 Legend Bolt-action

• Ammo
• 350 Hollow-points
• 350 Polymer Tips
• Classes: 2-7
• Magazine: 5
• Weight: 3.5
• Zeroing: 50, 100 & 200 meters
• Based on: Ruger American Ranch Rifle
• Cost: 15,000 credits

50 Calibre Double Barrel PCP Shotgun

• Ammo
• 50 Calibre Shotshells (Class 1)
• 50 Calibre Flat Nose Slugs (Class 4 to 7)
• 50 Calibre Airbolts (Class 7 to 9)
• Weight: 4.5
• Zeroing: 25, 50 & 75 meters
• Based on: Seneca Wing Shot II
• Cost: 30,000 credits

[stone patio]

Some additional big game species I will be adding to even out the amount of birds on the map
And for reference there are 13 potential waterfowl species and 8 upland birds

The extra potential big game species
Broad-snouted Caiman - Class 4: It has a wider distribution then the Yacare Caiman

Pere David's Deer - Class 6: The largest animal on the reserve , they are mainly found in the wetland areas of the reserve

Feral Sheep - Class 3 or 4: An animal with many unique colour variations, they are found in the drier areas of Argentina

[placid kernel]

Yacare or Broad-snouted caiman what do you prefer and what happened to Rexio?

[stone patio]

I figure when I do get around to drawing the map I figure I could find a way to have both species, as for the second question I do not have a clue

All the Feral Sheep variations, I would imagine a multi-mount would be needed to display several of the variations

List of the Potential Species of Estancia el Totoral
Big Game Species
Pere David's Deer - Class 6
Puma (Returning)
Wild Boar (Returning)
Greater Rhea - Class 2
Yacare Caiman - Class 4
Broad-snouted Caiman - Class 4
Feral Sheep - Class 3 or 4
Capybara - Class 3
Axis Deer (Returning)
Indian Blackbuck (Returning)
Collared Peccary (Returning)
Yellow Anaconda - Class 2

Small Game Species
Jaguarundi - Class 2
Pampas Fox - Class 2
Coypu/Nutria - Class 2
9-banded Armadillo - Class 1
Plains Viscahca - Class 1
European Hare (Returning) (I decided to add one more European Species to the map)

Waterfowl
Rosy-billed Pochard
Red Shoveler
Chiloe Wigeon
Pintails: Yellow-billed & White-cheeked
Whistling Ducks: White-faced, Fulvous & Black-bellied
Teal: Cinnamon, Brazilian, Yellow-billed, Silver and Ringed

Upland Birds
Eared Dove
Picazuro Pigeon
Monk Parakeet
Chaco Chachalaca
Giant Wood Rail
Spotted Nothura (aka the Perdiz)
Brushland Tinamou
Red-winged Tinamou

[stone patio]

Bump

[stone patio]

With the release of Salzwiesen Park I realized that is reserve concept would work a bit better as a South American Revontouli/Salzwiesen aka lots of game birds, some small game species and a couple big game species, weather I rework the entire species list or remake the entire reserve concept will be something I figure out at some point

[stone patio]

I will bump this incase anyone wants to check it out

[stone patio]

Well, gonna bump this again, its been a while and I think I could make a list of essential & non-essential species

[hot orbit]

I've seen videos of dove hunts in Argentina .... The numbers of doves is crazy .... Upvote just for this ... but only if EW can deliver massive numbers of doves ....

[stone patio]

Eared Doves are very much an Essential Species for a small game focused map set in Northern Argentina

[stone patio]

The Essential Species (20)

• Axis Deer (Returning)
• Yacare Caiman - Class 4
• Capybara - Class 3 (Iconic Big Game Animal)
• Collared Peccary (Returning)
• Coypu - Class 2 (Would also be backfilled to Mississippi and Salzwiesen)
• Jaguarundi - Class 2
• Pampas Fox - Class 2
• European Hare (Returning)
• Eared Dove (Iconic Bird Species, flocks would have to be as big as the engine will allow)
• Monk Parakeet (Yes they can be hunted in Argentina)
• Picazuro Pigeon
• Spotted Nothura (AKA the Perdiz)
• Brushland Tinamou
• Giant Wood Rail
• Rosy-billed Pochard (Iconic Waterfowl)
• Brazilian Teal
• White-faced Whistling Duck
• Yellow-billed Pintail
• Silver Teal
• Red Shoveler

The Non-Essential Species List will come later

[stone patio]

Non Essential Species List for Estancia el Totoral

• Pere David's Deer - Class 6
• Puma
• Wild Boar
• Broad-snouted Caiman - Class 4
• Feral Sheep - Class 4
• Indian Blackbuck
• Brown Brocket Deer - Class 2 or 3
• Greater Rhea - Class 2
• Yellow Anaconda - Class 2
• Plains Viscacha
• 9-banded Armadillo
• Chiloe Wigeon
• White-cheeked Pintail
• Fulvous Whistling Duck
• Black-bellied Whistling Duck
• Yellow-billed Teal
• Cinnamon Teal
• Ringed Teak
• Red-winged Tinamou
• Chaco Chachalaca
• Cocoroba Swan

[stone patio]

Potential New Item with this map: Dove Decoys

[stone patio]

bump

[storm vector]

Northern Argentina hype 😂
#1389191762773545040

[stone patio]

Bump

[rough lake]

I think the new weapon pack will fit in very well here 👍

[stone patio]

Agreed

[stone patio]

If this reserve came out the weapons from the new weapon pack would be all that is needed

At least until the waterfowl blinds and dove decoy spreads are all set up, then you will need a fast firing shotgun like the 12 Gauge Pump-action or one of the Semi-auto Shotguns

[elfin inlet]

i just found this and i really hope it gets added to the game, if its possible i would like to suggest the coscoroba swan as a huntable species

[stone patio]

Coscoroba Swan added to the non-essential species list (for now)

[placid kernel]

Are they hunted?

[stone patio]

I do not know, thats why they are only on the Non-essential species list (for now, that could change)

[elfin inlet]

yes, they are

[stone patio]

While I am not sure the games engine could handle thousands of doves in one flock, even having flocks of 20 to 40 birds would still ensure there are more birds then your chosen shotgun can handle

[stone patio]

Estancia el Totoral, a Waterfowl and Upland Paradise in Northern Argentina