#🦌︴great-ones
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they are a lil disappointing at this moment. Considering how incredible elk antlers truly are.
Something like this
Cheeus
the dream
Yeah I've boiled it down to the 3s have more points than the 4s that's how they are scoring higher
Thes Fabled/ non typ are such a great addition. i hope they stay super rare
Bruh
Oh they are gonna be very rare
IS THAT REAL?!
Come on! how could anyone running around a map and finding that be mad that the EE was something else
I just thought of something, what about a mule deer with elk-sized antlers?
Now that's a plow not a shovel
Bruh
@full cave is this TK lul
i love seeing the big ass caribou with huge antler palms
wait, this whole great ones thing reminds me a lot of a certain game from back in the day
I miss that game 
Id still be happy LOL
Mule deer with elk antlers when
@hazy lion yeah that's a real picture.
Is anyone confused about the NT thing still?
Great one for fox
hot take. moose shedding velvet great one would be fucking wild
Mule deer are my favorite nontypicals
A little bit
@sturdy niche I got you boss
NT?
What are you confused about Marc?
non typ
Recap from EW's stream: The point of the beta wasn't Non-Typical Whitetails. It was meant to be the introduction of the new medal being added. "Great One". The "Great One" feature is only available for Whitetails at the moment. This new medal's purpose is to have a chance at spawning an animal (Whitetails, again for now). With something special in the game, which you will not find normally. An example of this could be...Non-Typical racks, a never before seen rare fur variation (Fabled Piebald)...possibly more.
We good tk
Yeah, I understand it then
Well, is that great one which got shot a non-typical ?
I'm happy, with it.
Oké, so non-typical exsist for the Great one animal
Zaggi may not be happy but we in here are
you'll never make EVERYONE happy
Not for regular whitetails
I have gripes with it. Big ones. But still, its a welcome addition and free content
I'm glad it isnt just one thing and that it could be one of many
@sturdy niche not everyone will be happy. But I think there is a large pop of the community that is really excited to see what yall come up with
the whitetail great one is a nontyp but great ones are not non typs per say
I like how you never know what it will look like. That aspect is really well done.
Next question: So are there also NOT NON Typical Great one whitetails? *read that again LUL
I think so
Not at this stage, you never know in the future. The First GO is this Whitetail and has TruRAC Non-Typ
You can get one in game, but they only have a chance on spawning with "Great Ones"
@sturdy niche I think yall should send out an "I AM A LEGENDE EW" shirt to anyone that harvests one of these beasts
So it will always be a Non Typ, but it also has the TruRACS system
great one bison
Ah great, makes it more clear now
Yeah we just imagining the musk deer great one right now
hmmm
And will the nont-typ racks for this Great one also grow weird like the Classic whitetails have? Or is it just more tines on the rack
It drags its tusk on the ground
Idea for an ibex great one
Thats sweet!
great one roe deer 
Bruh
And a massive mouflon could have his horns go on and on and on until they're just flying around the side and he cant go between 2 trees lmao
fuck hyunicorn. its all about Roenicorn
@compact skiff that ibex is a nubian ibex nothing of what we have in the game yet. Also that picture is photoshoped
I know its photoshopped and a different species, I'm simply saying it'd be cool if we had something like that
When you hunt make sure you do this
SouthEastern spanish Ibex
When you hunt make sure you do this
@urban dirge lol my kind of hunt!
They could have horns that touch or meet in the very back
^^
This should of been how diamond gredos ibex looked like since day one, they can get even bigger
Would there be any place to talk about ideas for maps or reserves? I've been thinking about an idea for a good while now and I didnt want to bring it up on Stream because it would be a wall text
agreed
Social media? Facebook? Bring it here now that you’re at it
i've had plenty of those pass the time talks about reserves with friends while hunting and having a channel for that kind of shit could be neat
^
^
mods pls, a suggestions or ideas channel would be great
just so it doesnt clog up any of the other channels tbh
If it goes in literally any other channel then it would just get covered up by more text and forgotten
A channel with only reserve and animal ideas that a dev would visit once in a while would be nice
For sure
Now we just have to get a mod at gunpoint so they make a channel for us 
I would @ a moderator but I dont think that'd be a good idea, might get me a warning
What about the same maps we have but with seasonal changes and possibly different animals as some migrate out of the area and new ones migrate in
that would be the same amount of work as just making a new map tho at that point
and for that effort it would be a better call to make a new map. i dont think people would want to pay money for the same map they already own with just a slightly different coat of paint
Yeah
How long will that fabled deer be in layton?
it was just in the beta branch and its closed now
I think the beta is gone, so we just gotta wait for it to come out
Then it will be in for e t e r n i t y
@cloud vault simultaneously never again, and forevermore
;-;
the next update will put it in the game @cloud vault
Ah kk
didnt we just say that
yeah but it kinda sounded like you were saying it was only in the beta
mhm
Talking about new maps I would like to see an Indian themed one. Tigers, Komodo Dragons, Mountain Goats, Snow Leopards, Elephants
Komodo dragons aren’t in india
no
Most likely not
not at all
A Louisiana map with alligators would be pretty cool
yes
Lolz forget the Komodo Dragons then.
i would not be against rougarou bayou remade with alligators
wouldn't be very fun to hunt
Again, as I said in-stream, alligators could be like ducks but with only one chance
You miss your shot, they're gone. They go underwater and stay there, and if you go to the edge of the water (Or God forbid, in the shallow water) they could attack you and deal a heavy amount of damage or just immediately kill you
do you guys think the turkeys will come with anything else, more species?
After 30 real-life minutes they could come back up to the surface, and occasionally sunbathe on the edge of the lake
the turkeys should launch with a great one from the start 
hopefully they will be part of a new map instead of shoehorning them into one of the other maps @graceful mural
that would feel the best
What would a turkey great one look like?
since they dont make sense on any of the other maps
just really really big @compact skiff
a rougarou map would be nice though, gives them a chance to actually make the waterfowl work well outside of the mess they are now
Possibly massive tailfeathers or a beard that drags on the ground
Crocs on vurhunga
Eh
i'd like hippos, just for the ambience
Honestly i’d rather have a couple new species added to existing maps at a time to flesh them out rather than whole new maps
not the risk of getting trampled
I would rather get a map that has a river in the middle than just having them in those little ponds or on the side of the map
what if they made layton bigger and added a turkey spot
now, if the devs ever revisited Africa, a Cameroon or Congo map that's more jungle/wetlands than savannah would be really nice
^
Or something thats kind of like Vurhonga but has a desert and the nile river
Or an Australian map so we could hunt freshwater and saltwater crocodiles
Australia map is what I'm waiting on
Actually.. I think Freshwater crocs are endangered. Oh well, you'd still have the largest species of crocodilian to hunt, being the saltwater
Dingos crocs kangaroos
i dont know a lot about turkeys. could they be in yukon?
Australia would be lit, kangaroos, scrub bulls, crocodiles
Wild goats and caddle
Emus
more goats could be neat
now, two reserve ideas that are slept on like crazy are Hawaii and Pakistan. Hawaii has axis deer, feral pigs, a few different species of feral goats, mouflon, turkeys and feral cattle
i like the desert idea
Just give us the Far Cry 3 map but with proper hunting 
big sandy mountainy spots
Wild turkeys are pretty limited to the American portion of north america, some parts of mexico too
Jungle? yes pls
pakistan has marco polo sheep, markour, yak, himilayan ibex, snow leopard (which are voulnerable just like lions so there is no issue) different types of sheep
Honestly we just need more maps with big, open fields
all around cool shit in both of those places
marco
marco polo sheep
markhor
Nice
i am down for this
That's why I dont fully agree with hunting drink zones I only do drink zone hunting if I need $$$
hawaiian feral cattle
Not really
I like the idea of it, you would feel like you're helping the habitat by hunting down an invasive species in a way
Australia has feral American bison and water buffalo
Cattle were brought there and got out, iirc
I want a map with more vegetation tbh
australia has feral everything
jungle, eastern US, etc
pakistani map would be a nice way to do something that hasnt been done before while giving those classic looking ibex
actually make the shotguns and bows more useful on at least one map lmao
^
Bows are op as it is
Pakistan also has brown bears, no? I might be misremembering
bows are super op when you get all the points
Idk anyone that doesnt use one of the bows
Please just give us more variety in pistols and sidearms too
Pistols right now are practically useless because no one wants to grind for the .44 or .454
this particular yak was in texas but you get the idea
its probably realistic, arrows do go straight thru animals a lot of the time
And the .45 is actually worse than the .357 iirc
I mean the cross bow doesnt seem to lose any penetration I sling 600gr 150 yards and kill
they're powerful 
357 is very underpowered for some reason
maybe 150 is a long way
The 44 and 454 are very overpowered in that same sense
i love the 44 now tho
ye but it'd be nice to have a more closer quarters map rather than taking consistent 300 meter shots with a rifle 24/7
45 single lung is actually very good probably better than the 44
agreed drabon
Just something different
yea i only do close range really
I want a map where shotguns and pistols are good
like cameroon or hawaii
Try hunting feed zones in layton lol
Some kind of jungle or an eastern US map
you can have a good time with a 44 in africa or parque just fine
Have to get close
I want an upland bird abundant map
eastern US is what i hope for with turkeys
or even a rougarou type map would be good for that
plus would give a different map to hunt for great one whitetails on
Actually, eastern US would probably fit with a big swamp in it, or swamps dotted around the map
^
Whitetail alligator boar bobcat coyote turkey rabbits squirrels
turkey swamp map
So the easteer egg is a hyunicorn ?
have like 5 different species of ducks, whitetail, black bears, turkey, maybe doves, feral hogs, bobcats, yotes
Cuatro lost its opportunity for fowl with the amount of fowl spain has
Oh and duck
yea 0 birds on cuatro... so sad
black bear, feral pigs, whitetail, turkey, coyote, rabbit, bobcat, and possibly elk since they've been reintroduced ina few areas on the east coast
Forgot we have ducks
Florida map with gators, florida panthers, bobcats, and pythons lul
that all sounds like a decent map to me
well elk are just in the mountains here, not much so in the areas where the swamps are
fuck the swamps
Dont forget iguanas @bleak fulcrum
I want my waterfowl dammit
Florida map with waterfowl and gators and iguanas
im just talking an eastern map set in like the appalachias
Iguanas would be a neat class 1 animal
squirrels + pellet gun dlc
the waterfowl AI right now sucks ass, they need to fix it at some point
plink
thats what the 22 is for my guy
Agreed a small cal air rifle would be great
too big @daring maple
I hunt squirrels with a .22..?
you sure about that man
we can go tinier
i hunt squirrles with a 22 all the time
I hunt squirrels with a 12g
I mean we already have the 7mm, M1, and the other 30-06
why not a .22 and an air rifle
i mean 22 air rifle would be good
Northern Argentina would be the waterfowl and dove king reserve
solid plinker
Idk if yall ever been in a swamp before but 22s down here arent that good for squirrel hunting
I just want my .405 now so we can hunt moose and bison with the same gun while still having it be powerful
you must not be doing it right my guy @solemn rain
I think we should get a 25cal air rifle good for 1 and 2 class animals
now you're getting into the dumb territory
Nah need that .177 with an eastern map, plink squirrels and doves
i'm all about dumb territory
Blowdarts and spears lmao
smol gun
appalachian during fall would be great for turkey and whitetail hunting
and ducks because the appalachias are gay 
Amazon jungle
Na need the 25cal I'm tired of having only 2 options to kill foxes
If anyone is unsure about the GO's still, I have gone live now!
Jaguars and tapir
I really hope that elk Great ones look like one of these
the 223 finally kicks some butt tho
And 1 option for ducks
oh daamn
we understand the great ones TK
I'd vote for an appalachian map only if they change the elk model/animations
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@twilit timber isn’t the last one a pretty common rack? It looks like it
Yeah some animals need TLC updates
it would be a different species of elk since roosevelts are only in pacific northwest
yeah they're like manitoban or something
Rocky Mountain elk Pog

even so, the current elk ingame barely looks like an elk lul
hot take. The Elk truRacks are not very good looking imo
and thats partly why im a tad concerned about red deer truracks
We need maps with thick woodland like this
elk are easily the worst truracs rn
and red deer would be pretty hard to mess up tbh
appalachia in the fall vibe
Haven’t hunted parque in a hot minute, how’d the water buffalo truracs turn out?
@daring maple nah they’ve taken their time with red deer and if they fuck them up they know everyone would be pissed cause its one of the favorite species
gross
where's my ducks
fuck the ducks its all about the ground birds
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part of me hopes to see american south west for some prairie dog hunting
Wait do only Parque buffalo have the TRUHorns or do cape buffalo have it too?
only wwater buffalo
broken horn
Just an old buffalo with MASSIVE horns, one could be broken, covered in old and new scars
He could be the leader of a massive herd
eh that sounds a bit more complicated to do
The herd part?
the herd part
I dont see how, just have him spawn either in a herd of, say, 8 or more, or have him spawn in a small herd but have other buffalo spawn with him
where can I find the pics of the easteregg?
I'm afraid I dont know too dreadfully much about coding or anything.
@real radish check pins
Could just mark him as a need zone so other buffalo follow him around lmao
If they made mane variety an actual thing a GO lion could have a huge mane that runs along its belly
GO lion could have a mohawk-like mane
All I want is a map in Spain with fallow deer and holm oaks 😻
Have it covered in a mane so it just looks like a fluffball 
GO coyote is a chupacabra
They need to fix the coyotes and foxes in general
mangy and gross looking
They look like aliens lol
I would love to see some more rifles, maybe something like an SKS for smaller animals like bobcat to blacktail
Or maybe a VEPR Hunter for mid-sized animals
When will the update hit with the GO in it
We don’t have a release date right now afaik
Just please, for the love of God, make it so the scopes arent at the very front of the gun. Give us a curved-bolt mosin so we can have a PU scope 
@quasi lichen in 2 to 3 weeks
Ok so I have an idea where instead of the fabled animals are just huge make them based off of real life record book animals like the Hanson buck and Missouri monarch
Thats what they basically are, from what we've seen
Yeah they’re huge but the non typ that was smoked doesn’t look like it was based off any record book trophies to my knowledge
Thats because they're random, they have TRURac
I know but still just an idea
Fair
I hope the next non-typical they do is in another reserve not Layton on and on
Maybe red deer
Yeah
To make it equally fair
Would you guys rather have non-typicals or improve animal AI and interactions?
sorry if this has already been explained, but what's the deal with GOs? will they usually have something cool about them, like the nontyp antlers in this case, or will they just have the Great One rank and look like a diamond?
I think they will ALWAYS have something cool about them
Just in case, ask TreeKiwi. He's streaming right now
Man, we really need a suggestions channel
If a Moderator or anyone with the ability to add channels sees this, can we please get a suggestions or ideas channel? We need a place to put these without them getting drowned by the general or fabled chat
^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^
Mods pls
Can somebody tag one?
Not a good idea, but be my guest
We're only supposed to tag them if its an emergency
Wait I am confused. Are there non typs or not
No, Great Ones are kinda "Story Material Legendary Animals"
TK just described them as that one animal everyone has a story for
(TK also kinda said it was a bit of a mistake making the Whitetail great one a non-typical, but that is the general idea, non-typs are planned for later down the line)
Thanks
Is there a great one for each map
So great one Is not just max weight
Are we going to know what the story is and where to look???
We should get a swamp-style trophy lodge with things like this sitting around
So, plan is @worldly girder , eventually every species will have a great one. Whitetail is the only one that will be know, after that, each great one species that is added will only include great one added in the patch notes, meaning we won't know which species was added until someone finds and shoots it
(Kinda thinking about it, I made a reference to Cabelas Legendary Hunts a couple days ago and that was pretty much spot on to whats happening)
That feels better! PhoenixFirewall is now DarthMagnus. I didn't realize it would let me change usernames
Thank you @clever olive
so what all is the news and what all did we hear from the livestreams?
It was a bug
Ah ok ty
so are non typs out on normal server?
Well, I've long looked for a new species of game and learn that the peacock egg was a whitetail deer is a bit boring. I'm going to do a pose in the game and I'll see if the motivation comes back
So how do you guys like it?
guys you know what
what

You all should check out scarecrow on YouTube he is a great cotw youtuber and streamer. Really good content
@valid surge read your guide on steam good read
had to read it when i saw you made it
@valid surge Shouldn't you be sleeping or begging for recognition somewhere?
Was the great ones thing supposed to be on max animals or only the WT
Eventually all animals, for now only whitetail.
It will be for more species in the future but only the WT will be there once the patch comes out
Ok but what if the grey wolf was THE big bad wolf?
a Lynx with a fur pattern that makes it look like it has lil bootsies
Hey, you never know 😉
werewolf event with big bad werewolf great one when
Did you notice less bugs in the beta?
Great one 🤔
Surprisingly, yeah @tall vortex
Non typicals easter egg is it?
Not exactly
Fill me in bros, ive been a bit busy
More of just a legendary animal, whitetail great one seems to be non typ though that is irrelevant
good news is that nontyps are going to be worked on... eventually =D
👍
I need help with something. I havent gone to the gym for 5 days and i need you guys to come up with a punishment
You must eat an entire carton of ice cream in less than 3 minutes
That is not a punishment
It is when your head hurts
I mean healthy tips I don’t want to become the chunky whitetail
play cotw and every kill do 10 pushups next kill do 30 sit ups repeat
Deal, start tomorrow.
anyone else downloading the non beta just have there download jump from 17GB to 20GB?
Grinding the shit outta WT and reds after patch will be fun lol
And then May comes around new reserve bois
Hmm
Turkeys this year, whitetail great one, making me think we might actually get an east coast map so both of them can be on the same map
Can you continue to play beta in steam offline mode?
cross platform isn't really needed imo, but cross progression would be nice
cross platform is more so the console folks dont feel so lonely
oh well
yh i agree with the cross progression
The game is already buggy as hell and you want cross platform?
Yeah my thought too, first of all - EW wouldn't make any money out of investing into x-platform, they might even lose money on it as some who has it on console don't end up buying it on PC cos they want to play it on PC.. and then there is a highway of bugs just waiting to happen. It's a no from here.
Yeah last thing we need is more bugs.
EW gotta find a way to add guns , maps to the game without breaking the code, The last DLC was a mess...
@full cave Cross save would be better
It's not really possible to get saves on console and transfer them to PC
for any game that isn't cross platform for that matter.
@full cave You could do it with borderlands lol
Yeah, but you also have to look at the size of that team as well.
also this game has a game engine that's never been used for cross platform
is the beta still up?
ended today i believe
Did someone kill it yet
Check pinned
Yeah just looked at it holy crap so are non type gonna be more common now that someone finally shot it
Any rough date for update?
@dark turret Great Ones are gonna be their own thing, nontypicals are coming later
Okayyy
4 weeks
@full cave is that confirmed?
he said today
4 weeks ish
Imagine GO cape
i think also after what was surveyed during the stream that they will be changed from atypical to non-typical
Good, ill be done with finals then the hunt begins
so what all "new" has been confirmed about the GO's, nontyps, and/or anything else
didnt watch the streams
also how lucky do you have to be to have a nontyp and the GO in one bundle gg Luc
@civic plank the great ones are the new addition not nontypicals, the great ones will added to other species in the future and will be some special skin or look to thew animals. the wt great one is a nontypical, nontyps arecc
coming later
@civic plank theyre also extremely rare, the person who killed it hunted exclusively male whitetails for 12 hours a day for 2-3 days
oh i know, i was here
im just wondering what was new from the streams today
thank you both though, it answered my question for sure
oh i know, i was here
so nontyps are the antlers that spew out and arent symmetrical as normal racks are, this can be anything from one drop tine to crazy racks such as the nontyps in classic (check #491900799270780929 for some)
Great Ones are supposed to be the rarest and biggest trophy you can possibly get, soon to be added to every species slowly
It can be something such as a special skin or a new look to the species not seen before
I wonder what a roe deer non typical would look like
Moose antlers roe deer
i think the roe is gonna look close to a big 1 blacktail
with just two huge forked antlers
kinda like the bigger blacktails you would get rl
most blacktails you get rl are like level 1 blacktails in game
Ah. Would there be non typs for animals without antlers like rabbits or bears or foxes?
Big arse battle scarred black bear would be cool
Yessss
i think its a fur varient or new looking, such as battle scarred or just really aggressive looking
Ah ok
we will see when that comes though
And at risk of entering the realm of ridiculousness, a fabled one jackrabbit should absolutely be a jackalope
Rare enough that it isn't immersion breaking
What do u predict the best non typical will be?
@viscid sage Red deer or moose for sure
Yeah moose would be awesome with being bigger in size and bigger antlers
a fabled jackrabbit should have the papilloma virus
whats that?
basically, horns growing out of their faces
oof
hence the jackalope myth
fabled jackrabbit has ears the size of the fabled wt
Lol
Great one Cape Buffalo should have an arrow sticking out of it and be covered in scars
Massive horns, possibly broken on one side
grizzly bear the size of a kodiak bear for the fabled
Here's my interpretation of great one roe deer (graphic design is not my passion)
Ok lol
what do you know, the hunt club is still borked. lol
What did you expect 
i honestly can't wait for the update, going from beta to live game is screwed, the amount of bugs you have to go back to and the "old" sounds
Yeah, cant wait for all the fixes
I've said it twice, I'll say it again
We need a channel for ideas and suggestions for the game
riiiiight game....🤥
10/10 that's definitely how bullets work
first shot was BS too. right though the spine in the neck......
I hate the anatomy of animals in both Classic and COTW
There are so many veins and arteries in the neck that you can aim for irl for a kill, but sending a round down an animal's throat in-game is like shooting it in the tail from what I've seen
we do need a channel like that definitely it would be fun to hear from the devs about suggestions and ideas
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
any opinions on what the best handgun
derringer 22lr
or best to grind HG skill with
if you have no handgun skill
Oh
the one from weapon pack 2, with the birdshot rounds, you can sneak up on jackrabbits pretty well
Guessing you're trying to get to the .454, the .45 is good, or so I've been told
that roe dee was the first on this profile. so none XD
22 is best for farming
ah i didn't remember there was a 22 handgun
I despise the .22 handgun without a scope
so, basically. buy your way out of .357 crapdom then
Yup
tough luck unfortunately
Everything that isn't in a dlc is garbage
since the weapon packs with handguns are slightly outdated now
Welcome to Call Of the Wild
thanks to smoking guns being the absolute best weapon pack rn
i did buy SG for the black powder
the muzzleloader is OP
it's hilarious that you can kill a bison just as easily as a blacktail with it lmao
with full integrity on both
Stronk gun
the 22 handgun is my favorite for only rabbits atm, as i seem to walk up ontop of them for a shot and it raises my pistol score so thats good
also the muzzleloader is literally a .50 it should be a class 9 permitted weapon
but the 22 rifle i carry more cause ducks
Doesn't the .45 pistol with .410 count to the shotgun score?
Oh
yep @compact skiff if you use the 4-10 shells it counts as shotgun i hear
Also Muffins, I think there's a difference between a .50 musket ball and a .50 BMG
absolutely. one thing is shooting a bison with a gun from the 1800's with a round bullet
and another is firing a fully automatic barret 50 cal at it
I don't think that the cival war had .50 calibers, or it would've been a lot more gory
Hell, there should be a class 10
the civil wars did have .50 cal. just not the ones your thinkin of. sharps did make some odd calibers. i know a guy that has a sharps which the shells are 4" long. basically $10 a shot XD
I mean not like .50 bmg anti-material stuff
class 10 exclusive leaked
I'm not a history buff, but surely they wouldn't have something like that, right..
for hunting animals? yeah definitely not lul
Not the tank
ohhh the 50 bmg
Mhm
this thing is the grandaddy of the 50 bmg if you could see it. lol made by shoulder black and blue for a week. he sent a pic to sharps of the rifle and they offered him $50k on the spot
closest thing to it would probably be WW1 anti tank rifles
this is a german 13mm which is close enough to 12.7mm(50 cal)
from 1918
Tankgewehr?
Panzerbüchse is a bit closer
I just know it from Battlefield 1
but yeah, before the 1900's the only thing close to 50 cal would be like the ingame muzzleloader
Where it's called the Tankgewehr for simplicity's sake
While we're on the topic of old rifles, I'd love to see some more surplus or old military rifles
gotta love seeing game nerds talk about guns
Maybe an SKS from the Cold War or a .405 lever-action
I know some about guns, but I don't spend hours researching
you want lever action, the russian 7.62 winchester from WW2. thing was a beast and the only lever action the could be reloaded with stripper clips
i will admit i like guns alot but i'm not crazily knowledged in them hahah
only fired two in my life so yeah
i like old guns. WW2 and down
More semi-autos would be cool but also hard to balance
well 50 cal refers to the diameter of the round doesnt it
I think I shot 3 guns in my lifr
An example is the Garand currently, it has 6 shots in-game and can fire quickly. It outshines literally every gun of it's size
but recoil without the maxed recoil perk is bad, but manageable
.22 was one of them, a pistol(I forgot which one) and a semi high caliber gun ( I forgot)
And of course a BB gun
anyone know if the handgun perk that speeds up recoil would work on the muzzleloader too?
Not sure
Why would it work if the muzzleloader is a rifle
because it does say it works for every weapon on the skill
Muzzleloader would count as part of every weapon
ive shot a garand rl and its fun as hell, muzzleloaders as well
in the same way that the first handgun perk lets you reload all guns while running
Oh lol
i'm just wondering if that reload time reduction is percentual based
i want a 45-70 contender that counts as a handgun
i think so yeah
I’m not a gun person at all. My favorite gun is the .22 only because I’ve actually shot it and it doesn’t have a lot of recoil
because i think the muzzleloader is the longest reload in the game so maybe that perk helps a bunch on it
if reload speed is like 100 on the scale on the store page, then the reload speed might be a 10% decrease each time
Yeah the muzzleloader has a terriblbly slow reload
in rl its slow too obviously
the muzzle has a bug ir for just switch ammo types it dosent reload and your loaded again
It would be nice if it was more like real life where u gradually get quicker at reloading because u get used to it more
i feel it should be getting slower on a long hunt due to fatigue and then once you rest and go it gets faster
cause reloading a muzzleloader takes a strain, atleast mine do (inline muzzleloader)
Yeah true
i still think the hudzik might be the most OP weapon in the game
for me the reload time isn't an issue because i don't like committing massacres, i usually just shoot the most valuable animal in a herd and im done
What’s that
its the ingame name for the muzzleloader
Ohh ok
not sure if anyone has any other OP weapons they'd like to present
What are the best non dlc weapons for moose and for deer?
it is, and its balenced with the reload, but it definitely should be allowed for class 9
best non dlc i'd guess is the 7mm
The muzzleloader and the Garand are currently the most OP weapons in the game
i mean muzzleloader is like the gun you think of when you think of bison hunting
Garand is the m1 right?
yup
but @civic plank you can shoot bison with it
arent they class 9?
yes but the muzzleloader has 2 different ammo types
^
it just goes up to 8 doesnt it?
Forgot of the gun name I was about to ask about😂
one of them can shoot class 3-8 i think, the other is class 4-9 and better range
@viscid sage Mood
this game need more handguns, more bows, and a total revamp of the ambusher skill tree. (because it useless)
For sure
personally i only use the minnie ball ammo since there aren't any class 3 animals on layton anyway
Anyways in beta I came up with the .270 being great for wt/bt and the .338 being good for moose. Does that sound rught?
Also more vanilla shotguns
Just remembered the gun. What’s the mosin nagant called in cotw
A double barrel 12 gauge
270 is definitely the best early game weapon
.338 is good but single-shot, and the 7mm is better than the .270 iirc
@viscid sage The Solokhin
Ok, I wa just seeing what guns there were for my level and the money I have
yep, solokhin was most OP gun until the garand
shotguns are kinda hard, the only one i could think of would be a 410 shotgun rifle ATM, but shottys are kinda the same just 3 ammo types. but 410 slugs would be fun
6 guage shotgun 
Get like a big bore muzzleloader for level 7-9 or an older rifle like a sharps
but theres plenty of handguns out there to play with
the shotgun in smoking barrels is decent, you can zero to 150m with slugs
I don’t use shotguns😂 I just snipe ducks in the water with my .243 idc about proper ammo with them😂
stock sight is garbage though
The lever shotgun is an actual God
Fabled mule deer be an interesting sight. Curious to see how they do springbok, lesser kudu, and gemsbok
ah yeah, a player without DLC has literally no way of hunting tier 1 animals with integrity for a good long while
and more sights for handguns yes. i would like to see a mauser broomhandle carbine with a scout scope for smaller game
because the only 2 basegame ways of doing it are normal shotguns with birdshot (you have to grind shotgun skill which is a pain)
Just give us a PU scope for the Mosin already
I wanna see moose with fabled. Probably will be the biggest animal in the game.
and small point game arrows (LMAO)
aka me @hoary niche lol, only got smokin barrels
yeah it kind of sucks that the only way to hunt class 1 without DLCs and without stupid grinds is DLC
@that too, rabbit weight bows n crossbows and the like
I could buy 1 or 2 dlcs I just don’t know what to buy😂 I’m super conservative and indecisive
buy smoking barrels because muzzleloader OP as shit
Weapon pack 1 and 2 are good
I’ve thought about tent, atv, and a weapon pack but idk the guns in them
What classes can the muzzleloader shoot in
Weapon pack 1 has the .22
weapon pack 1 is probably second best weapon DLC because crossbow and 22lr rifle
Ima look up the weapon packs rn brb
@viscid sage smoking barrels will give you a good set of guns to hunt the Large game with, with out DLC bison are almost impossible untill the 7mm even then its chancy
yep- i find shooting big things is way more fun in this game than trying to shoot asshole coyote from 1 mile away or wabbits from 5m away
Is this a good time to mention how much I HATE the 7mm ironsights
what 7mm ironsights @an abom 😆
It's just a brick in the end of the gun
It would literally be easier to hit something with no ironsights at all
level 24 at the moment and never killed an animal with an ironsight rifle lol
my dad has a old bolt action 410 shotgun that has the 7mm ironsights, can hit nothin after 15 yards with it XD
i like them for when buffalo rush me
When something gets too close
i never hunt without either a shotgun or the crossbow and those two tend to solve short ranged problems
irons are fine, they would be better if they upped score or cash for harder difficulty tho, and ironsight would be viable if the ambusher skills worked and wernt shit
scope sensitivity is weird with different levels so just having none works wonders
@left isle I mainly hunt on Layton, sometimes hirsch. I don’t have any dlc maps
im currently grinding for my handgun skill and a scope for my 30-30 
actually doesn't the crossbow with 600gr bolts have the best penetration in the game? or does something else have that title?
and the trutuinium fiber optic bullshit shights for the 7mm dont line up correctly
Does the .300 still shoot high at 150 meters?
@viscid sage elk. large game is elk
600gr arrows have 90 penetration so if bolts do more than that yes
anjd bison in hersh
@hoary niche I think that is out-penetrated by the fmj .470 rounds
bison are the easiest money makers
yeah the crossbow has higher peak draw weight than any of the bows so i think its higher
Are mela roe deer rare
and he m1 is great for red deer in hersh also
what map has the .470?
Vurhonga
i can get fully through a moose with the cb70 and 600gr
Ok
The Chad of a db rifle
Are mela roe deer rare
Yes
isnt the 470 actually a 500 nitro express?
I’m almost thinking if I get any dlc I’d get smoking barrels and weapon pack 2
Ok thanks
.470 is a step down from .500 iirc
not a bad choice @viscid sage
ah
honestly weapon pack 2 is kind of outdated now thanks to smoking barrels
@viscid sage Why weapon pack 2? Smoking Barrels out-does every gun in pack 2
You should probably get pack 1 for the .22
WP 2 has the grellick drilling gun. i hear its not a bad combo of you wanna grind shotgun
16 gauge is underwhelming
and i want 410 handgun lol
muzzleloader beats grelck, the garand beats the mosin, and the 1800's shotgun is probably more useful than the 45 colt
the 22 out classes the shotguns for class 1 hunting
What about weapon pack 3? I’ve heard a lot about the .30-06
the 3006 bolt until you get the recoil skill to manage the m1 better
The Garand is just a semi-auto .30-06
I want to hunt medium-large game btw
i think weapon pack 3 is the unloved child in the community hahah
Lol
like the pop gun is fun but it's just a gimmick, the rifle is nothing special, and the 22lr pistol gets outclassed by the 22lr rifle
the 3006 bolt i cant recommend enough, the m1 just has too much recoil without the perks
what had the .22 handgun?
weapon pack 3 has the 22 handgun
handgun is fun to use at the range though
I think the .30-06 and sometimes the .22 handgun are the ones I use, I've never used the airgun simple because I just don't see them as medium game weapons
22, 3006, muzzleloader
oh ya that right, its so unloved they wont even allow it in the hunting equipment collection 
i hunt almost entirely on layton and i run muzzleloader, .223 for coyotes and 22lr for small game. those 3 weapons cover every single animal in layton
3006, 223, 22 do aswell
well actually every single animal in the game lol
i like hunting hersh
7mm 223, 22 also ecery single animap
@viscid sage if anything, get the 22 rifle its just the best overall class 1 rifle
honestly though i find the 223 underwhelming
i thought it was the perfect coyote rifle but it kind of sucks at killing them
Alright I’ll think about it
243 can also fill the 223 slot
since coyotes are impossible to hit vitals with at the usual ranges you meet them
question, the .22 pistol get a scope?
yes but not a good one
i might swap my 223 for the 243
it has the pistol scope and a 1x reflexstyle sight but the reflex style sight sucks
they need to remove scope sensitivity that depends on zoom
i have noticed that the red dot is 5X bigger than any one ive ever used IRL lol
yeah doesn't every single rifle have the same scoped sway?
or am i just imagining things?
well the one for the pistol is smaller but still ugly red dot
i think it might depend on how kuch space it takes upin bbackpack
like a rifle that has a weight of 4 will sway more than a rifle that has a weight of 2 but im not sure
does anyone acually use the backpacks when they arnt halling blinds?
no, they make a ridiculous amount of extra noise
i maybe use the fanny pack if i want to carry an extra pistol but other than that, never used backpacks
not even worth it to use
how does the extra visibility and noise work?
like it only says 'extra noise: 3' in the fanny pack
what does 3 mean at all? lmao
because it surely can't be 3 full bars of extra noise
no idea
oh. and this game needs some repositions of the static nonpaid blinds along with the ambusher skill tree revamp, cause WHO THE FUCK PLACED THOSE.
ATM my loadout is the .243, bow, deer grunt call, binoculars, and scent eliminator
@viscid sage i'd suggest swapping out the 243 for the 270
only advantage the 243 has is coyotes but coyotes suck
Yeah I’m most likely gonna but the .270 tomorrow I have almost 60k
I SO USE THE FREE STRADAVARIUS SOMETIMES.....CAPSLOCK!!!
i got it and i bought the game three weeks ago
Not for me bc I joined in 2018
rip
medieval are you absolutely sure you don't have a free .270?
I wish I could get a free .270
check your shop and storage, i forget where it starts at
I’ll check tomorrow but I’m almost 100% sure, unless it went straight to my locker
it's a special edition, like not the .270 but .270 stradivarius
i think it does
you have to 'buy' it from the shop, it's free though
there's two .270 rifles in the shop i think, the free one and the sucky one
the same think happens with the weapon pack DLC weapons, yo half to buy them for $0
Yeah I’ve seen both in the shop
yeah, definitely get that. the .270 is way superior for large animals than the .243
it can still struggle at downing big animals so i'd recommend getting the 7mm asap if you don't plan on getting any DLC
Yeah I found that out in beta😂 I one shot almost every whitetail unless I didn’t go for a lung shot and I dropped moose a lot quicker than with a .243
it's funny how the .243 sucks (without polymer tips)
brand new lvl 0 accounts definitely have a hard time with .243 soft points even with regular ass deer, i know i did
Yeh😂 I remember buying my first polymer tip for the .243 and how well it did compared to soft tip
7mm is the only think to get without dlc, everything is second to gettin that
yep. 7mm is especially good because it downs anything between blacktail deer and bison
penitration = win in this game the spread bullets are unrealistic and useless as its currently coded
with full integrity, though it won't quick kill moose that often
i've double lunged lots of moose with the 7mm and they still run like 150m before dying
i think that's probably more due to the fact that moose are the fastest animal in layton
the spread bullets should make a aninimal bleed out more and faster, and the hardtips should help with bad shots though bones and the like, but the bleed rate of both bullet types is the same.
Lol
i still think that smoking barrels obsoletes weapon pack 2, but if you want it it's still pretty good
Soft tips have more expansion and polymer tips have more penetration right?
@viscid sage they should but they dont. just get poly tips. they bleed exactly the same ( soft tips should make it bleed more)
oof
Would you want soft tip or polymer? Because I thought u would want the bullet to penetrate more
soft tips should make it bleed out faster if you get a good shot (aka lung,liver) penetration is if you got a bad shot you can still get though shoulder and hit a lung. but a soft tip good shot does nothing benefical in this game unfortunatly
Ohhh okay that makes sense
tldr, soft tips are shit in this game, great IRL
Lol
Isn't expansion just useless in this game?
I thought it was too, I thought I remember in the tutorial doc saying that u wanna change to polymer tips fast or something
yup abomination. it doesnt work
It was there or some video I hear did for cotw
So you almost have to get the expensive ammo
God it's like playing Tarkov all over again
That sucks tho. One of the many things that needs to be fixed.
i wish it worked, i would love taking only good shot if it ment not chasing things 2 miles
I wonder if EW would listen to us that we don’t want high tier animals atm, but we want bugs to be fixed and have working ammo and working sights
but just stick with the double lung shot from pen rounds
the ammo types have been here since the game launched. they have had some time
Not a very packed genre to be fair lol
I seem fine with soft tip on the .243 as long as I land a single lung or double lung, but I’ll definitely look into the free .270 when I get on tmrw
i would disagree. some of the cabelas games were more realistic. just looked less pritty due to being older.
and the difference between rounds should have been coded when the bullet choice was given.
True
This is the most dead I have seen this chat
I just woke up... I'm still here :)
I hoped we would kinda keep this fabled chat alive.. I loved the people here
Oh. U are on the other side of the world I imagine :p
Yep. USA
Well I'm in Denmark..
Neat
:D
Just finished editing this photo of a lake in Layton
No not yet I just finished it a minute ago
Ah, it looks rly good :)!
Thanks
go to bed
then dont 
I can't wait for the next mystery or at least be able to find a GO in game.
wonder what the other great ones are gonna be
Cause I could have sworn someone said the great ones aren’t non typicals all together but the whitetail is?
so great ones and nontyps are separate?
you can get a normal level deer that's non typical
GOs are special animals and separate from non-typicals
so it doesn't need to be a go to be nontypical
we should really call them Fabled and not Great Ones
Non-typicals will be released somewhere in the future. In the next update we will get a whitetail fabled one.
And they want to roll these out to other species too, like they are doing with truracs. And they are not exclusive to antlered animals too. Stuff like old, battle hardened bear with scars could be a fabled one too. Something unique and special 🙂
And agreed. Fabled one sounds a lot better and is the actual level of the animal it seems like.
Would love if they made the animals vary in size relative to their weight. That fabled battle hardened huge bear would be quite the sight 🤩
It would be awesome! But I remember them saying in stream that it's a technical limitation for now. But if they manage to overcome it then it would be a great addition.
TRUweight would be Sooo very very much welcome <3 It would make herds and packs more varied and with a natural feel to 'em. However, it may be because the multimounts. Some like foxes lunch or friendly competition may need to be adjusted to individual weigh percentages or there may be clipping and stuff
TruPIEBALD too... oh man...
Well some species like the red fox and yotes have some variation in the common varieties but... yeah
idk if we need a whole system for fur types, but some variations would be nice
couple different flavor piebalds
Well, I dont know how itd be in most animals, but there could be some markings /patterns or something that gets added to the base color of the animal with random opacity.
I think there are many other things thatd come up first tho
oh, very many
truracs for all species heeheee and nontyps!!. I think scars would be easier to add than a whole new layer system to the fur
Fallow deer can come in so many beautiful fur colors irl
One like this would be cool for instance
arent there alive pictures?
but yeah, more variations could be nice
i dont particularly like fallow deer, but silver, marble foxes... dayum
for some reason i think you have all these pictures saved in your pc lmao.
they kinda scared me a little seeing how many there were.
Is this considered spam? I... I dont know. =o
Well I don’t know I guess its better than having a dead discord xD
i guess so.. I think my favourite is the black mante with white undertoned one. FIrst collage, snowy one
hmm, not sure. If its 4 and has a rreally huge rack, it COULD but best not to get false hopes
bout to get trolled 
Get him
waiting for him to go broadside, to lazy to walk over there
with the 22LR you can shoot a warning, if you are far away they wont hear the sound of the rifle, but the missed shot will make them alert, theyll walk around a little
that trick makes so animals position themselvs differently
You kiiinda need to know the status of the animal too, so you dont shoot again if they are not calm
oh no

Reason: Duplicated text
it was also dark red

damm... what did you hit?
the just clipped the lung into the stomach
but it was 38.8 and diamond requiremend is 39 
meh this game hates me still
whenever something like this happens, i declare war on a species.
i kill all males i see. Like, id be hunting whatever, but id kill them all if I find them.
i did
Iberian Wolf War was hell
but i joined somones live yesterday and he said not to kill everything, ruins the spawns
not everything, like... in your case, youd need to kill male pumas
it worked for me and the wolves and moose at least
Does anyone know any good gredos ibex spots besides the lake bottom left of map?
i joined to kill that puma, saw him about 2 months ago never though about hun until now
i quit when i got trolled on a mule deer last time 
@full cave theres two there, the big one and one thats also close to the outpost. I like to visit those two. I dont know of more tho, but Id visit all lakes in their territory
damm.. i think i messed up some diamonds too, when i didnt know they existed
The game doesnt teach you about levels or anything, i remember seeing 2 lvl 3 roe deers, one or two lvl 3 whitetails and 1 lvl 5 blacktail.
If they were diamonds... i dont know, i didnt pay attention back then
I'm sure I massacred a few diamonds with the 7mm when I first started and was just shooting everything for money.
i knew some levels on animals, i remember just running past lvl3 whitetails and stuff... i only knew level on moose
So, question... if theres higer males spawning in when you kill males... Im assuming it works the same with females. So for females that are based on weight / skull... could it be possible to make them grow like it is with antlered males?
oof, i assumed everything maxed out at lvl 10 or something
so I didnt care about those lvl 3 roe deer, becasue... lvl 3
relatable
I wish male deer could grow and shed their antlers over time just like irl and have your own managed population in your map that’d be so cool trying to get quality antlers on your own population by hunting the smaller ones
here is a young flummy hunting moose i remember tracking it, then hearing it on the other side of the map. next thing i know there were the hugest moose ive seen
it was a troll 
OOOOH not bad hahahh
i had a lvl 4 that was HUGE like... SO HUGE... it was like 10? or so? points off diamond. Turns out it only had 1 front palm. :c
i have him in my freakshow lodge now
lodges didnt extist back in the old days :p
yeah... i came im when lodges were a thing
you didnt get to experience the halloween event? 
nope
So non-typicals are not coming to the game??? I really hope they are....
they are not comming... Yet
its not confirmed they are comming, but heavily hinted at
They are adding them later
@snow folio read this
Recap from EW's stream: The point of the beta wasn't Non-Typical Whitetails. It was meant to be the introduction of the new medal being added. "Great One". The "Great One" feature is only available for Whitetails at the moment. This new medal's purpose is to have a chance at spawning an animal (Whitetails, again for now). With something special in the game, which you will not find normally. An example of this could be...Non-Typical racks, a never before seen rare fur variation (Fabled Piebald)...possibly more.
@sturdy niche are we ever gonna see cross platform cotw
why u gon @ him like that
So he can see it
sorry but, chances are, if he does see it, you won't be here to get the answer you're looking for
and why are you even talking about it here in?
They talked about it before
I would be buggy as hecc
As annoying as that fact is, pc players will have to play with pc players, and console with console players
RDR2 whitetail buck... take note EW
Yes can’t wait for non types. They need to hurry and finish the red deer truracs!! Then maybe they’ll start working on that! Hopefully
that wt doesnt have a realistic rack in any form
Yeah just gotta say the racks in RDR2 are not that realistic at all
it looks like red deer antlers in a wt form
It doesnt even look that good
have heard the legendary animals are cool though in rdr2
the body looks good, antlers look poopy in RDR2
@compact skiff it looks kind of cuddly lol
Too much fur, looks like something you'd see in the middle of a snowy forest or something, idk
I'm not good with anatomy but from the whitetails I see and hunt irl they certainly dont look like that
this man said "take note". He needs to take some notes on what wt racks look like.
The legacy whitetail racks in COTW were GOAT
Now that Kiwi is here, can we ask for a channel dedicated for suggestions and ideas? 
^I could only imagine the arguments in that channel.
Hyunicorns when
I mean, most of what people want they are already working on or have in their roadmap
I hear the hyunicorns are coming JUNE 31st
Already marked my calendar :p
Shit, I read (failed ones chat)
hehe
Sorryyyyy
lol
Treekiwi i know racks not the greatest however the over all body shape and fur shading is alot better IMO I hoping EW does something to the models for Fable..you can't just put a new rack on old models 😩
yea they can
what's wrong with the old model
They're the exact same. A level 1 whitetail looks the exact same as a level 3 except for the antlers
fair
TruBod
LOL Sounds like an Axe spray scent
Nah. The suggestions channel would be wasted really. We get plenty of feedback and there is nothing wrong with discussing ideas in the general chat?
In the general chat, they just get drowned by the rest of the conversations
But fair
wen will the new update be lauched?
probably soon
TASCAM, TK stated in the last EW stream he was expecting a timeframe of like 2-5 weeks.
We got a lot of feedback to work on 😁
^
Hello. :) How are u All today
1.5 mil wt slain
well i reckon it's better you spend your time making it better than just releasing it now
Yeah
@quick coral hi!
@sturdy niche hi! How are u holding up? Getting bombarded with questions ? :D

there is about 100 elk spawning in front of me 
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