#Change Muriel back!

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opal flare
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Still so angry that her kit got reworked for no reason at all. She was perfect. She was the best support. Now she's hot trash and has zero impact. Completely ruined a staple hero.

reef trout
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The changes made her a killer support, she is the furthest from hot trash there is.

delicate shale
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she has way more impact than ever

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i climbed all they way to diamond with old muriel then eventually hit a wall i would not have the same issue with current muriel

daring wadi
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I've been playing Muriel since the early days of Paragon; she was my favorite hero in the game. Changing that one ability just made her a less dynamic character. The worst part is the remapping of the ability bindings on the controller. It makes absolutely no sense. I 100% agree with the OP (original poster). After years of playing Muriel, I've stopped because of this. I used to play every day, but now I just don't feel like it—this change changed everything. Other characters are cool, of course, but when your main is changed (not to say ruined), you just lose interest in everything. That’s all from my side. No H8.

upbeat talon
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This rework shouldve been a new support

delicate shale
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old muriel was a shield bot new muriel can peel, shield, and buff teammates

reef trout
daring wadi
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Muriel is a support, and your comment about hitting Diamond has nothing to do with these changes. As a support, you don't win alone; you win with your team—it's a team-based role. Regarding the abilities themselves, they are okay, but the dynamics have drastically changed. Cooldowns are longer now, which is exactly what makes the character feel slower.

That could be tolerated, but the worst part is the remapping of the controller buttons. It’s a huge mistake. They tell us it’s supposed to make controlling easier, but on consoles, it’s the exact opposite. Now we have a "charged" ability on R1, which used to be on L1. In this setup, it's nearly impossible to hold R1 while simultaneously aiming with the right analog stick (which controls where Muriel looks).

R1 should be for a "quick-cast" skill, like the bubble shield we had before. They changed it for no reason. On a controller, the only logical button for a charged ability is L1—with any other button, you lose your freedom of movement and aim. Furthermore, trying to remap buttons through the PS5 system settings is not a solution because it breaks the entire in-game menu. You end up not knowing which button navigates the tabs left or right. It’s simply unplayable.

To give you some perspective, my issues with these changes go much deeper than just 'relearning' the game. For me, and many others, this is an accessibility issue. I’ve explained it before on Discord – you can read my full take here:
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delicate shale
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cant say much about the rebinding thats fair if it doesn't feel right anymore for you

daring wadi
reef trout
scarlet beacon
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Im not saying the rework was better or worse but I wish they would have made it to where If you Q a hero while in the bubble you get a .5 sec stun or something like that. It would have given her more utility and dynamics without overly changing her playstyle. Imo the overly changed her kit and I don’t find her as fun to play now.

worn timber
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Great that all the people that hated her before like the changes and get hard.

Idk if the trade off that anyone that actually played her for years and has nosw literally stopped playing the game is worth the trade off tho.

Before the changes WE got to decide who lives and not. Now there is one bubble, one stun that takes 7 million years to charge and a poddle you can spit on the ground fucking PRAYING that people fight in.

Great rework. Definitely.
I don't need to be in charge if my 30 million lightyears cooldown get's used or not anyways, totally works. Yeah it's fine, it's good. No cap. thumbsup

reef trout
worn timber
upbeat talon
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Muriel changes made her less fun to play. She was worse before but I enjoyed being a shielding support. Now she has less identity with generic moves that don’t fit together. Boring as hell

delicate shale
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i do wish the charge up was faster tho

magic tiger
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It took me quite awhile to find a build that works with Muriel like before she was reworked I could get her attack speed bounus to around 90% and with my passive add around 100 magic damage to basic attacks while giving out fat shields now it's a bit harder to figure out how she should be played I've managed to find a way to play her with the rework got to think of her as a buffer now than just a shielder her heal tho is so low even with heal items on with a full build I can get her heal around 250 an ability and even with alot of ability haste it's still got a long cd the shield is still decent tho but you need to put mage items on to give it a boost so I use the augment to give cd on alacrity to help with that so I can fast charge her and outhers abilitys since it also works on ultimate cd but in my opinion they should have made another category for augments for characters that changes the hero kit instead so people can choose wether they want to play her pre rework or not

fiery chasm
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This is why I say the community looks childish and why we struggle to get people to interact in our forums.

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I don't know why you feel the need to say these things. It's just inflammatory.

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Regardless of whether you agree with their point or how its stated, going "Did you take drama lessons", is just childish and petty. And also adds nothing of substance to the discussion and derails the conversation.

reef trout
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Please spare me your sanctimony

fiery chasm
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reef trout
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fiery chasm
# reef trout What a smokescreen

Call it whatever you want. I don't care.
Say whatever you want, I don't care.

But when you're the loudest voice being an advocate for the game, supporting and screaming from the mountaintops how great it is - it isn't a good look for the game for you to then turn around and make such childish remarks and passive aggressive comments.

reef trout
fiery chasm
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And that won't happen when you're being negative for no reason. You complain and cry about all the negativity, but help feedback into it with your own unique kind of it.

reef trout
fiery chasm
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Nice try though.

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Gonna need better bait than that.

reef trout
fiery chasm
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So, its not a you thing bud.

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I just like writing.

reef trout
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Waffle

fiery chasm
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Says the waffler whos run out of points to hairsplit lmao.

reef trout
fiery chasm
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Damn dude, seems like you're the one more worked up than me if you need to respond to that.

also your contemporaries still act better than you do. Haz makes the same points you do and he can still be respectful towards those they're talking with.

reef trout
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Waffle

fiery chasm
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Okay? And?

reef trout
fiery chasm
# reef trout

Damn, almost like you should do that.
I said that a bit ago and you're still doing the same thing.