Remove 5 man parties and voice comms from ranked

[safe compass]

It literally takes all the skill out of the game, 5 mans and voice comms is a crutch for players that lack in skill but end up having advantage when they party with 5 or are in comms. From my perspective as a 10000 hr moba player the game is way more fun and enjoyable when those are removed. It allows the better players to actually shine and rise in rank not get punished by 5 mans and players that are lacking in skill but are in comms.

[untold pulsar]

Bring back solo and duo que

5 stacks are destroying the game

Or atleast make 5 Stack possible till gold

[vast narwhal]

Comms imo is fine cause both teams have access to it so it is fair but 5 stacks emphasize a different set of skills so should have a different rank queue

[plucky abyss]

what are you ? A professionnal crybaby ?

sybau and get gud scrub

[rugged geyser]

5 stacks are just in need of their own que.

Having comms is fine, everyone has access to them and sometimes can be more of a detriment than advantage because it just gives people more liberty to infight; its only useful if everybody is on the same page and is often full of people just arbitrarily bitching about something.

[tepid zenith]

sure 5 stack Q, with an avarage wait time of 17h per game

[chilly orchid]

Sounds almost like role queue would fix this "disadvantage". 🙂

[tepid zenith]

Roleq to multiply avarage Q times by like 4 ?

[chilly orchid]

Oh and 5 stacks are supposed to queue for how long?
No.

Since y'all love the current shit model y'all can just queue on flex role so there is going to be zero change in queue time.

[tepid zenith]

I dont love it at all ?

Dosent mean its not true that Q times would skyrocket no ?

We like devide the playerbase for each game throu like 4 or something, that would make Qs take forever and make MM even worde

At least thats what i assume ... do you not think that would be the logical following ?

[tepid zenith]

And i posted above that an 5 stack Q would Q for hours

[chilly orchid]

Not at all. My take is literally that all die hard free queue people will keep flex queueing just because of principle reasons (since they said role queue is garbage and will destroy the game, can't use the benefits of it when it comes can they) and those of us that have severe braindamage and only play one role will just queue for this one role.

One person in fixed role, rest in flex role = match fills itself at the same time.

I don't see any downtime in this especially if we start to actually factor in all the requeues you have do to rn anyways because some duo queue didn't get duo lane or someone else dodged the queue because they didn't get the role they wanted to play initialy.

Nobody seems to ever think about this. I'm glad you have a 2min queue but how many times of those 2 min do you have to requeue and how many times do you meet the same people that dodge again because they didn't get the role again.

[tepid zenith]

Im so confused

[final garnet]

the playerbase is far too small to give 5s another Q. It is annoying going into it, but they arent that much of an issue, in ranked, at least

[golden basalt]

Then they should put it back to only solo duo

Its a different skill set

[ebon prism]

Role queue doesn't fix 5 stacks having an innate advantage over non 5 stacks in any way

[devout sluice]

Game needs more players so it can support systems that make matchmaking fair and sensible. And also role Q.

[jovial wagon]

Honestly 5 stacks have quick play, customs and scrims if they want more of a comp game. They just want to play together….right and not boost someone?

I had a thought that pred could add a page in the menu for custom games, to join/create lobbies where anyone could join.

Side note Im not sure why they haven’t added a semi role que, it has nothing to do with the player base, it can be done.

[chilly orchid]

How so? Comms are free for everyone and with role queue the named advantage of "people playing what they good at" get's deleted because then everyone gets to play what they want to play.

[ebon prism]

comfortability with each other/chemistry, actual comms, you can choose your 4 teammates so you can choose people who are actually good
you just cant reach the same coordination and consistency with randoms

[chilly orchid]

Well obviously a sworn in 5 stack will always be better than 5 randoms playing with comms but what hinders you to find a 5 stack yourself to play with? Aren't there party find channels on this Discord?

I doubt most 5 stacks are people that have known each other for years anyways.

Also again, the debated point was 5 stacks having the "plays whatever they're good at" advantage.

Role queue would eliminate that.

Comms are free for everyone to use, even if a lot of people just trash talk in voice chat but it is there nontheless.

So maybe instead of taking something away from the game, try adding new options.

Variety is always good and actually restricting people in how they want to play a game eg. telling them HOW to have fun will actually kill the game longterm.

You can't dictate people how to have fun.

[ebon prism]

i dont enjoy playing with randoms just to get an advantage so i dont look for randoms to queue with, its either my friends if theyre online or solo queue. being in a 5 stack should not be a requirement to play the game fairly

The debated point was actually 5 stacks as a whole having an advantage. Which they do. Yes they get their perfect role, but thats such a small part of the overall strength of 5 stacks that most people dont even think about it. So role queue eliminates that part of the issue, but the wider issues still remain

Comms are free to use, but the issue is finding people who use them reliably for actually useful callouts. Which in my games never happens

What new options would you suggest to counteract the many strengths 5 stacks have over solo queue players, other than role queue because uve said it already

Variety is good. They arent telling you HOW to have fun, they are making just the competitive gamemode more fun for the average player
You can still 5 stack in standards, the gamemode where youre meant to just 'have fun'. But it ruins the competitive ladder integrity and gameplay loop

[rugged geyser]

Saying you can't dictate how others have fun while wanting to enforce role que is contradictory.

[chilly orchid]

There's still flex queue bud. There's your freedom.
Y'all like to gamble what role you play each queue anyways so there will be zero change to that.

[rugged geyser]

No, you can keep role que in Overwatch.

[final garnet]

There are so many issues in this game that 5 stacks don't really bother me anymore. Plus, they can only stack into plat, I think. I would prefer solo/duo only, but it doesn't matter in the long run if you are regularily playing the game. You should be able to climb to the point you stop facing them. If you are hardstuck gold the reason you're there isn't becuase of 5 stacks or your teammates. Focus on your own game then you eventually won't have to deal with them anymore.

[rugged geyser]

Also note that I have played in a enough 5 stacks to know it does not always equel organized superior play, unless the people your stacking with are focused and in synch you might as well be playing with randoms because its just as prone to turn into a shit show.

[ebon prism]

This also isnt really a good solution
Because youre also gravitating around the solution of 'dont let them play in ranked' only its above a certain rank which the majority of the playerbase dont reach

[final garnet]

5 stacks are harder to carry than solo Q in my experience - there are always players that obviously getting boosted

But I think that's part of what makes them fun

[final garnet]

Yea, so the competitive integrity is preserved for competitive players - seems like a nice compromise

[rugged geyser]

Alot of 5 stacks are friends of friends joining together and all it takes is one thing to go wrong and arguing happens with 5 people on open coms.

Sometimes there can be too much communication, I played with a guy that would carry on about plays that did not work out and then friend 2-3 would spend 5 minutes trying to explain what happened instead of moving on and talking about it after match.

[final garnet]

I know a player that intentionally brings together the worst players he can and then sees how far he can carry them. He's a pred terrororist

[rugged geyser]

Or a masochist lmao

[vale lily]

Stacking into plat would be fine if there was more ranks but there’s only diamond and paragon so they should drop it down to gold.

[digital mountain]

Perhaps a queue along to League of Legend's Clash. Doesn't have be a "tournament style" but...

[errant spindle]

i feel like people use their comms to talk shit and not provide valuable info anyways so strangely i agree